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Reduction in Blood Pressure With Statins

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listener - 14 Apr 2008 21:23 GMT
Results From the UCSD Statin Study, a Randomized Trial

Beatrice A. Golomb, MD, PhD; Joel E. Dimsdale, MD; Halbert L. White, PhD;
Janis B. Ritchie, BSN; Michael H. Criqui, MD, MPH

Arch Intern Med. 2008;168(7):721-727.

Background  Some studies have suggested reductions in blood pressure (BP)
with statin treatment, particularly in persons with hypertension.
Randomized trial evidence is limited.

Methods  We performed a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled
trial with equal allocation to simvastatin, 20 mg; pravastatin sodium,40
mg; or placebo for 6 months. Nine hundred seventy-three men and women
without known cardiovascular disease or diabetes mellitus, with low-
density lipoprotein cholesterol screening levels of 115 to 190mg/dL, had
assessment of systolic and diastolic BP (SBP and DBP, respectively).
Blood pressure values were compared for placebo vs statins by intention-
to-treat (ITT) analysis. Additional analyses were performed that (1) were
confined to subjects with neither high baseline BP (SBP >140 mm Hg or DBP
>90mm Hg) nor receiving BP medications, to exclude groups in whom BP
medications or medication changes may have influenced results, and (2)
separately evaluated simvastatin and pravastatin (vs placebo). The time
course of BP changes after statin initiation and the effect of stopping
statins on BP were examined.

Results  Statins modestly but significantly reduced BP relative to
placebo,by 2.2 mm Hg for SBP (P = .02) and 2.4mm Hg for DBP (P < .001) in
ITT analysis.Blood pressure reductions ranged from 2.4 to 2.8 mm Hg for
both SBP and DBP with both simvastatin and pravastatin, in those subjects
with full follow-up, and without potential for influence by BP
medications (ie, neither receiving nor meriting BP medications).

Conclusions  Reductions in SBP and DBP occurred with hydrophilic and
lipophilic statins and extended to normotensive subjects. These modest
effects may contribute to the reduced risk of stroke and cardiovascular
events reported on statins.

Trial Registration  clinicaltrials.gov Identifier: NCT00330980
Bill - 14 Apr 2008 21:35 GMT
> Results From the UCSD Statin Study, a Randomized Trial
>
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> Trial Registration  clinicaltrials.gov Identifier: NCT00330980

1: Life Sci. 2008 Mar 8 [Epub ahead of print]
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Association between risk of myopathy and cholesterol-lowering effect: A
comparison of all statins.
Kobayashi M, Chisaki I, Narumi K, Hidaka K, Kagawa T, Itagaki S, Hirano
T, Iseki K.
Laboratory of Clinical Pharmaceutics and Therapeutics, Division of
Pharmasciences, Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Hokkaido University,
Kita-12-jo, Nishi-6-chome, Kita-ku, Sapporo 060-0812, Japan.
In the present study, we examined the mechanisms underlying the
cytotoxicity of pitavastatin, a new statin, and we compared the in vitro
potencies of muscle cytotoxicity using a prototypic embryonal
rhabdomyosarcoma cell line (RD cells), a typical side effect of statins
and compared the cholesterol-lowering effects of statins using Hep G2
hepatoma cells. Pitavastatin reduced the number of viable cells and
caused caspase-9 and -3/7 activation in a time- and
concentration-dependent manner. The comparison of cytotoxities of
statins showed that statins significantly reduced cell viability and
markedly enhanced activity of caspase-3/7 in concentration-dependent
manner. On the other hand, the effects of hydrophilic statins,
pravastatin, rosuvastatin were very weak. The rank order of cytotoxicity
was cerivastatin > simvastatin acid> fluvastatin > atorvastatin >
lovastatin acid > pitavastatin >> rosuvastatin, pravastatin.
Statin-induced cytotoxicity is associated with these partition
coefficients. On the other hand, the cholesterol-lowering effect of
statins did not correlate with these partition coefficients and
cytotoxicity. Thus, it is necessary to consider the association between
risk of myopathy and cholesterol-lowering effect of a statin for precise
use of statins.
PMID: 18402982 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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Susan - 14 Apr 2008 22:21 GMT
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 Thus, it is necessary to consider the association between
> risk of myopathy and cholesterol-lowering effect of a statin for precise
> use of statins.
> PMID: 18402982 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

Of course they lower blood pressure, they suppress adrenal function,
which explains a LOT about the awful, declining quality of life so many
statin users report.

Susan
eml - 15 Apr 2008 00:43 GMT
> x-n0-archive: yes
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> Susan

and for all those statin takers who do not have increased blood
pressure........how about a little hypotension.  great for the brain
to be hypoperfused.
listener - 15 Apr 2008 03:07 GMT
Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in news:66i065F2k0t23U1
@mid.individual.net:

> x-n0-archive: yes
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> Susan

I must have missed where the highly respected Dr. Golomb said that.
Susan - 16 Apr 2008 00:44 GMT
> I must have missed where the highly respected Dr. Golomb said that.

I must've missed where you've ever posted other than to shill for statins.

NIH is studying adrenal suppression by statins right now.

Susan
zob - 16 Apr 2008 05:43 GMT
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>Susan

Beta blockers lower blood pressure by suppresing adrenal response, so
if the study turns out that statins do this also  then would
substantiate the OP's premise.

Zob
Susan - 16 Apr 2008 22:53 GMT
> Beta blockers lower blood pressure by suppresing adrenal response, so
> if the study turns out that statins do this also  then would
> substantiate the OP's premise.
>
> Zob

The mechanism is different with statins; all of our adrenal steroids,
including sex hormones, are made from LDL. The body raises LDL as part
of the endocrine feedback loop to try and maintain normal endocrine
function.  Lower LDL to below endogenous levels and you deprive the body
of the material required to produce adrenal steroids.

Susan
listener - 16 Apr 2008 13:26 GMT
Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in news:66ksv8F2kd14oU1
@mid.individual.net:


> I must've missed where you've ever posted other than to shill for statins.
>
> NIH is studying adrenal suppression by statins right now.
>
> Susan

This is just too funny! Are you saying Dr. Golomb is a paid shill? She
would be offended, for sure. All I did was report on the results of her
study, without comment. This is the same study that has been ongoing for
years and many of you anti-statinites couldn't wait for results to appear -
thinking they would, of course, all be negative.

You are a hopeless bunch.
J666 - 16 Apr 2008 13:34 GMT
> You are a hopeless bunch.

Well, we do have Chung
Susan - 16 Apr 2008 22:51 GMT
> This is just too funny! Are you saying Dr. Golomb is a paid shill? She
> would be offended, for sure. All I did was report on the results of her
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> You are a hopeless bunch.

I'm saying you post only to shill statins, IME.

And lots of "respected" doctors shill for drug companies.  Those are the
ones the drug companies most like to pay off, er... hire.

Turns out that the docs don't even have to write the papers, the drug
companies (Vioxx anyone?) hire ghost writers to spare the docs any real
effort.

Susan
listener - 20 Apr 2008 21:53 GMT
Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in news:66nam3F2kieb5U1
@mid.individual.net:

> x-no-archive: yes
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>
> Susan

Forget about me in this post. I made no comment on the article I posted.
But if you seriously think that Dr. Golomb is a shill for drug companies
you are more delusional that I already suspected. Better yet, why don't
you give her a call and ask her.

https://www.statineffects.com/info/contact.htm
listener - 15 Apr 2008 14:04 GMT
Bill <b2forewagner@snip.net> wrote in news:b2forewagner-
D344E3.16350114042008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:

>> Results From the UCSD Statin Study, a Randomized Trial
>>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> Association between risk of myopathy and cholesterol-lowering effect: A
> comparison of all statins.

Yes, better to deflect than admit you might be wrong.
lipanzmarija7@aol.com - 22 Apr 2008 03:39 GMT
> Results From the UCSD Statin Study, a Randomized Trial
>
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>
> Trial Registration �clinicaltrials.gov Identifier: NCT00330980

This is a lot of bull.  I wonder what cholesterol pill manufacturer
paid off the authors of this article. BS.    If any dummy believes
this they are stupid.   Gee that last paragraph ::::: These modest
> effects may contribute to the reduced risk of stroke and cardiovascular
> events reported on statins. GEE DO THEY THIN THE BLOOD TOO RUDUCING THE RISKS OF STROKES. BLAH BLAH
listener - 22 Apr 2008 04:57 GMT
lipanzmarija7@aol.com wrote in news:b3bd6483-cc10-46d0-a1bc-ff96d2f1ad70
@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

>> Results From the UCSD Statin Study, a Randomized Trial
>>
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>> events reported on statins. GEE DO THEY THIN THE BLOOD TOO RUDUCING THE RI
> SKS OF STROKES. BLAH BLAH

This came out of the University of California San Diego Statin Effects
Study, which Dr. Golomb runs and has been ongoing for a few years now.
Why don't you give them a call and tell them how stupid you think they
are. (858) 558-4950 x 206.
lipanzmarija7@aol.com - 23 Apr 2008 04:52 GMT
> lipanzmari...@aol.com wrote in news:b3bd6483-cc10-46d0-a1bc-ff96d2f1ad70
> @k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
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>
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I WOULDN'T WASTE THE TIME OF DAY CALLING THOSE CROOKS.  PLUS THE FDA
CDC AND DEPT OF HLTH & HUMAN SERVICES COULD GO YOU KNOW WHERE.
Conclusions  Reductions in SBP and DBP occurred with hydrophilic and
lipophilic statins and extended to normotensive subjects. These
modest
effects may contribute to the reduced risk of stroke and
cardiovascular
events reported on statins.

Trial Registration  clinicaltrials.gov Identifier: NCT00330980
I STILL SAY THIS ABOVE PARAGRAPH IS A  LOT OF BULL. I AGREE WITH
SUSAN'S COMMENTS. THE CAUSE OF PLAQUE AND ARTERIAL DISEASE IS CHRONIC
LAY LOWING INFLAMATION WHICH IN TURN CAUSES DAMAGE TO ARTERY WALLS.
THEN NATURALLY IF YOU HAVE A ROUGH DAMAGED PIPE GARBAGE WILL STICK TO
IT.   THIS BIG DEAL ON KEEPING CHOLESTEROL SO EXTREMELY LOW IS SICK.
ONE NEEDS CHOLESTEROL FOR VARIOUS THINGS ESP LIKE MAKING ANTI BODIES
ETC. TOO LOW IS NO GOOD EITHER. AND THE PEOPLE THAT EXPERIENCED
SERIOUS NERVE DAMAGE AND MUSCLE DAMAGE FROM CERTAIN STATINS.   IT ALL
IN THE MONEY.  WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT GREAT PERI-OPERATIVE BETA BLOCKER
STUDY A FEW YRS. AGO. SILENCE.  I KNOW OF A LOVED ONE THAT WAS
SERIOUSLY INJURED BEING IN THAT STUDY LIKE INFARCTION- BRADYCARDYIA-
ACUTE KIDNEY FAILURE- FIBRILATION- GANGRENE- ENCEPHALAPATHY -
COLLAPSED LUNG AND LATER DIED.   IT WAS DENIED THE PATIENT WAS IN THE
STUDY AND THE WIFE WAS NEVER TOLD OF THOSE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT
HAPPENED.  WIFE HAPPENED TO SEE ON ONE OF THE DIAGNOSIS SHEETS
COLLAPSED LUNG THEN STARTED CHECKING.    IT WAS DISCOVERED THE PATIENT
WAS IN IT PLUS THEY WERE A LOW RISK AND THE STUDY WAS FOR INTERMEDIATE
& HIGH RISK FOR CARDIAC PROBLEMS DURING THE SURGERY.     THEN IT WAS
SAID THEY WERE IN THE CONTROL ARM OF THE STUDY - BUT THE WIFE HAS A
COPYOF THE THIRTY FOLLOW UP ASSESSMENT SHEET  - IS PATIENT STILL ON
BETA BLOCKERS -IF SO WHAT DOSE ETC. SIGNED BY THE STUDY CO-
ORDINATOR.       THEY REFUSE TO GIVE THE WIFE HER HUSBAND'S PERI-
OPERATIVE FLOW REPORT PLUS WIFE FOUND OUT THE STUDY REPORT WAS DONE
THROUGH ANOTHER SOURCE.    IT'S ALL IN THE MONEY -BETA BLOCKERS ARE
CHEAP CHEAP AND DANGEROUS. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ALLERGIC TO THEM TOO.
THIS WHOLE AMERICAN MED. SYSTEM IS CORRUPT.
listener - 23 Apr 2008 14:27 GMT
lipanzmarija7@aol.com wrote in news:b719d021-12e9-4635-b716-be8d1e66e7c2
@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

>> This came out of the University of California San Diego Statin Effects
>> Study, which Dr. Golomb runs and has been ongoing for a few years now.
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> CHEAP CHEAP AND DANGEROUS. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ALLERGIC TO THEM TOO.
> THIS WHOLE AMERICAN MED. SYSTEM IS CORRUPT.

Yes, you're right. Don't call.
eml - 23 Apr 2008 23:37 GMT
> lipanzmari...@aol.com wrote in news:b719d021-12e9-4635-b716-be8d1e66e7c2
> @k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> Yes, you're right. Don't call.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My suspicion is that this is the only study from dr. golomb's group
that could find publication......
listener - 24 Apr 2008 01:08 GMT
eml <mmlevy46@hotmail.com> wrote in news:f4d87650-8b96-4764-ac12-
9985af358c30@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

>> lipanzmari...@aol.com wrote in news:b719d021-12e9-4635-b716-be8d1e66e7c2
>> @k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> My suspicion is that this is the only study from dr. golomb's group
> that could find publication......

Why don't you put your suspicion where your mouth is - call her and ask.

I'm sure she would enlighen you.

See ya...
Susan - 24 Apr 2008 14:49 GMT
>>lipanzmari...@aol.com wrote in news:b719d021-12e9-4635-b716-be8d1e66e7c2
>>@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> My suspicion is that this is the only study from dr. golomb's group
> that could find publication......

It's very possible that, at least in the short term, the adrenal
suppression by statins will lower blood pressure, but adrenal
suppression over the long haul comes with a LOT of serious problems and
collateral damage.

Susan
 
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