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Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 04:53 GMT Here, Andy, you'll need a map of the Pacific to get yourself to China:
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 08:40 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan
is still...
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forevermore:
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guaranteed:
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May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
Hunger is wonderful:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
... gone:
http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 08:48 GMT On Apr 12, 3:40 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan So sorry, my bad. Here's the right map:
http://www.oz-central.com/graphic/p_map_01x.jpg
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 08:51 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan
Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 09:12 GMT On Apr 12, 3:51 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan http://apartments-rentals.fabrussia.com/moscow-guide/img-moscow-metro-map/moscow -metro-map.gif
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 09:17 GMT You are...
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Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 09:21 GMT On Apr 12, 4:17 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> You are... > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Deadsatan http://www.visuallee.com/weblog/images/galactic_neighborhood.gif
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 09:23 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan
Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 16:28 GMT On Apr 12, 4:23 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19694/19694-h/images/015.jpg
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 16:33 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/DepressedSockPuppet
Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 18:11 GMT On Apr 12, 11:33 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/DepressedSockPuppet http://www.odt.org/Pictures/mcarthursmap.jpg
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 18:41 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan
Machete - 16 Apr 2008 04:52 GMT > On Apr 12, 11:33 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/DepressedSockPuppet > > http://www.odt.org/Pictures/mcarthursmap.jpg Is this the only navigational help you're going to provide Chung? This is going to be the easiest 15 grand you ever made FH.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Apr 2008 10:46 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
Father Haskell - 16 Apr 2008 20:51 GMT > > On Apr 12, 11:33 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > > <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Is this the only navigational help you're going to provide Chung? This is > going to be the easiest 15 grand you ever made FH. That and a few helpful tips I learned in the Scouts, such as how moss always grows on the north side of a tree.
Machete - 17 Apr 2008 00:30 GMT >> > On Apr 12, 11:33 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >> > <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > such as how moss always grows on the north side of > a tree. Make sure he knows what the Gulf Stream is and how it works, just a cursory overview (20 seconds or less) will suffice. You might want to clue him on on the likelyhood of giant rogue waves turning his boat into a wooden missile at some point during the journey. Should I provide seatbelts, or would it do more harm than good? Chung's 80 pound pack might cause a problem if he does a Peter Pan over the edge of the boat.
Father Haskell - 17 Apr 2008 03:16 GMT > >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > would it do more harm than good? Chung's 80 pound pack might cause a > problem if he does a Peter Pan over the edge of the boat. It's fair and gentle seas up until the North Sea, presuming he survives the ice packs, which should be calving heavily now that summer is on its way.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Apr 2008 05:01 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/DumbSockPuppets
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Machete - 17 Apr 2008 05:36 GMT >> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > he survives the ice packs, which should be calving heavily > now that summer is on its way. Well, sounds like you've provided a safe route, Chung should thank you for this encouraging piece of information FH.
Father Haskell - 17 Apr 2008 06:38 GMT > >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Well, sounds like you've provided a safe route, Chung should thank you for > this encouraging piece of information FH. Hmm. Guess what sank on her maiden voyage from Southampton to New York on April 15, 1912 -- anniversary two days ago?
Machete - 17 Apr 2008 07:13 GMT >> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Hmm. Guess what sank on her maiden voyage from Southampton to > New York on April 15, 1912 -- anniversary two days ago? Bugger me, iceberg right ahead! Fortunately for Chung, his *ship* will only be able to reach a top speed of 3 knots and this should prevent him from slamming into any bergs capable of sinking the RMS-Wanger. Perhaps I should consider investing in an old outboard motor. My dad has an 1983 Evinrude, 100HP. It could cause the boat to sink even lower into the water but with that amount of HP, Chung's boat could probably reach speeds of 45MPH without much trouble. Again, the size and weight of the boat has to be considered though and with a 300 pound boat ( plenty of holes) a large motor might cause other problems. Oh well, I'll look into the Evinrude. Chung would have to stop off along the way to get extra fuel but that's his problem. Given the weight of the gear, motor and crew, the boat would have the life expectancy of a common housefly, but we can't have Chung taking eight months to reach his destination. Risks must be taken.
Father Haskell - 17 Apr 2008 08:29 GMT > >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > expectancy of a common housefly, but we can't have Chung taking eight months > to reach his destination. Risks must be taken. Indeed, what with the earthquakes off the Oregon coast even as we speak.
Machete - 18 Apr 2008 04:16 GMT >> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > Indeed, what with the earthquakes off the Oregon coast > even as we speak. Yeah, I don't imagine the Omer-Wanger would fair well against a tsunami of 40 or 50 feet. I still haven't read a thanks for Chung for the 100HP motor, it will make it much easier on him physically and will cut his trip from 8-10 months to perhaps a month, if he makes it out of US waters, err, I mean, if he doesn't run out of gas.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 04:22 GMT > "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > trip from 8-10 months to perhaps a month, if he makes it out of US > waters, err, I mean, if he doesn't run out of gas. Do you own a gun?
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Machete - 18 Apr 2008 06:39 GMT >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Do you own a gun? There's that verbiage again, please, wipe your a.s before you speak next time.
J666 - 18 Apr 2008 13:06 GMT > There's that verbiage again, please, wipe your a.s before you speak next > time. Wonder if monkcrap has brown eyes which may explain a shitty outlook.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 17:56 GMT >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > There's that verbiage again, please, wipe your a.s before you speak next > time. Just checking whether you are suicidal or not.
Have you read any theology book lately?
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Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 03:07 GMT > >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Have you read any theology book lately? Does the Satanic Bible count?
J666 - 19 Apr 2008 03:21 GMT >> Have you read any theology book lately? > > Does the Satanic Bible count? Remember the Chible, was written using one of the Celestial Chicken's feather as a quill.
The feather is mighter than the sword
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 03:43 GMT >> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Does the Satanic Bible count? No.
Have you read any book lately?
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Machete - 19 Apr 2008 04:03 GMT >>> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Have you read any book lately? Somehow I get the feeling that he's just a bit more schooled than you.
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 04:35 GMT >>>> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Somehow I get the feeling that he's just a bit more schooled than you. I know even you don't trust your judgment. What kind of heart problem do you have?
BTW I would love to remove SMC from the header; but somehow that drives J666 crazy.
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Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 07:42 GMT > >> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > No. Why not?
> Have you read any book lately? You'd read the Satanic Bible, except being forced to think would kill you.
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 16:40 GMT >> >> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > You'd read the Satanic Bible, except being forced to think would kill > you. Try to read some philosophy books.
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Machete - 19 Apr 2008 03:51 GMT >> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Does the Satanic Bible count? Sure but what about The Book of the Law?
Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 07:49 GMT > >> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Sure but what about The Book of the Law? Did you burn your copy after reading it?
If you didn't, you're f.cked.
Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 03:07 GMT > > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Do you own a gun? What, are you proposing he KILL Chung?
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 03:42 GMT >> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > What, are you proposing he KILL Chung? No. I'm just wondering whether he is suicidal.
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Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 07:51 GMT > >> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > No. > I'm just wondering whether he is suicidal. No one's falling for that transparent lie.
Monkfish wants to kill you, Andy. Run!
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 16:42 GMT >> >> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Monkfish wants to kill you, Andy. Run! Have you ever killed anyone?
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Machete - 19 Apr 2008 04:02 GMT >> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > What, are you proposing he KILL Chung? I think he's actually starting to foam at the mouth now, I'm having a hard time trying to figure out who's more in need of psychiatric help, fish or chung. Evidently, he deduced that I was suicidal because I didn't like Chung. I'm starting to wonder if Monkeybutt has been absuing Datura.
As for Chung, he is certainly in no danger from anyone in this group. Andy already had his near death experience when he was beaten up by a 13 year old while trying to preach at a Bar Mitzvah. He said is was the parking police at some college but we all know better.
Chung's only concern should be his 14,000 mile trip and keeping the large plastic chicken attached to his boat while he cruises the Atlantic at speeds up to 40 knots.
By the way FH, any idea where I could get some C-Rations left over from Korea or Nam? These might come in handy for Chung, I suspect they have a shelf life of about 150 years.
Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 07:59 GMT > >> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Korea or Nam? These might come in handy for Chung, I suspect they have a > shelf life of about 150 years. Will pet food do? Dog biscuits should substitute well for 60 year old survival biscuits. Neither one apparently has any actual taste.
How about some made-in-China Greenies from Sam's Club to keep his teeth clean and his breath chlorophyll fresh?
Speaking of peridontal issues, he'll need plenty of fresh fruit to keep his teeth from falling out. Captain Bligh kept his crew from the ravages of scurvy by stocking up on bread fruit. Certainly there'll be ample breadfruit trees along his route?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Apr 2008 09:23 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan
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J666 - 19 Apr 2008 13:21 GMT > Speaking of peridontal issues Preparation H will work for him.
Machete - 19 Apr 2008 14:29 GMT >> Speaking of peridontal issues > > Preparation H will work for him. I can't allow that, rubbing alcohol will take down the swelling. Might be a bit painful but what is pain to a man who fasted for 387 days!
Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 20:43 GMT > > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 1:59:28 -0500, Father Haskell wrote > > (in message [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I can't allow that, rubbing alcohol will take down the swelling. Might be a > bit painful but what is pain to a man who fasted for 387 days! How about lemon juice? He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Apr 2008 20:52 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan
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Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 20:56 GMT On Apr 19, 3:52 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan > > <>< > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan Try to help.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Apr 2008 21:03 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Worthlesssatan
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J666 - 19 Apr 2008 22:18 GMT > How about lemon juice? He could shove a > whole lemon up his butt, and get his daily > dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the > same time. Doing that will make his lips pucker up
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Apr 2008 22:56 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan
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Machete - 20 Apr 2008 01:09 GMT >> How about lemon juice? He could shove a >> whole lemon up his butt, and get his daily >> dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the >> same time. > > Doing that will make his lips pucker up Well, at least that would shut him up so his mate doesn't have to listen to him.
monkfish - 20 Apr 2008 01:14 GMT >>> How about lemon juice? He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and >>> get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Well, at least that would shut him up so his mate doesn't have to listen > to him. Pitiful.
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Father Haskell - 20 Apr 2008 02:28 GMT > >>> How about lemon juice? He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and > >>> get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Pitiful. Think of poor Mr. Shabazz's happiness for once. He so wanted a teak bar on that luxury appointed yacht that he was going to follow Chung with.
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 02:54 GMT >>>>> How about lemon juice? He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and >>>>> get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > He so wanted a teak bar on that luxury appointed > yacht that he was going to follow Chung with. He doth protest too mucn.
Maybe he wants to go as Chung's mate. Maybe he is jealous of Mr. Shabazz
Do they need an anchor or fish bait for trolling.
monkfish - 20 Apr 2008 03:41 GMT >>>>>> How about lemon juice? He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, >>>>>> and get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Do they need an anchor or fish bait for trolling. Still trolling? Final warning.
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Machete - 20 Apr 2008 04:04 GMT >> >>> How about lemon juice? He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and >> >>> get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > He so wanted a teak bar on that luxury appointed > yacht that he was going to follow Chung with. Yes but keep in mind that Mr. Shabbaz just got released from prison for strong armed robery, he's just done some hard time. Being out on the open sea with Chung might give him an opportunity to take some aggresion out, oops, I mean, get some fresh air and enjoy the luxery cruiser complete with 100HP motor. Plus, he's getting paid 40,000 dollars (from Chung.) When Chung arrives overseas (if) he'll certainly need some protection as his mouth, doubtless, will get him into trouble. Shabbaz will require additional protection money for each individual incident (1,000 a piece.) He could earn over 75,000 dollars on this trip and get his pimp and drug business going again! It may sound like a bum deal for Shabbaz, but he's actually excited about it!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Apr 2008 04:16 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan
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guardian Snow - 20 Apr 2008 04:19 GMT > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan > > <>< > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthStabssatan CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA 5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B | MABLETON, GA 30126 (404) 699-2780
Notice that Chung doesn’t address a single issue he’s been called up on. Change the titles on threads he post, he’s a control freak and hates it.
Make sure and complain about Mr. Chungs spams to Google, he is only doing it to drive up traffic on his web site that he is attempting to sell for half a million dollars to Emory University. He is spamming us to drive up traffic numbers at his web site and will not stop until we all complain about his tactics!
Anorexia is a serious medical condition. Your calls (Mr. Chung) for people to "go hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advise you to stop this immediately.
www.anad.org/
and
www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/
If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung. If he persist in this continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession. It is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the condition of the people you are delivering the message to.
See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state. Don’t be fooled by Chung! He admits to not keeping his state qualifications and while he likes to post a link to “Emory Cardiology” in his post, the site that states it is a “unofficial web site as a tribute” and in no way is an endorsement of him or his standing in the medical community.
Dr. Yamantaka Says, He is already under investigation by the State of Georgia for reasons of dishonesty, mental illness and inability to practice up to minimum community standards.
Mike Mordant says: Other authorities may take an interest in his business practices soon. He'll owe the IRS somewhere in the neighborhood of $150,000 and $280,000 for his sale of the emorycardiology.com domain. It may get treated as ordinary income, not a capital gain since he "remains lawful steward."
To that Mr. Chung’s web site states:
“after receiving an offer from Emory University for less than its fair market value, I have been moved to put this domain on the market so that others may have the opportunity to purchase this high-profile cardiology domain at its current market value. However, this opportunity is for the domain only and not the web content. If interested, please leave a message at 404.699.2780 (serious inquiries with offers of more than US$550,000.00 only).”
In other words, Mr. Chung is spamming us on usenet to create traffic at his domain so that he can blackmail Emory University into paying a ridiculous sum of money just for the domain name. There is very little content on the site and nothing of any medical value.
So, don’t visit the site. He’s just trying to drive up traffic numbers to justify the cost and that is why he is putting dozens of stupid spams. They have nothing to do with the Christian faith and everything to do with his desire to derive profits.
Mr. Chung says of his own qualifications,
> Didn't you take the required exam for recertification last > year ? No. The board-certification in internal medicine was required for the fellowship training in cardiology.
> Cardiology is a subspecialty of internal medicine. The cardiologist > who treated me for atypical chest pain is board certified in both > internal and cardiovascular medicine. That is his/her choice as it is mine to not recertify in internal medicine.
Dr. Yamantaka also stated:
Chung, you have shown that you are unable or unwilling to truthfully answer the reasonable and straight forward questions that I have asked you to address. Any practicing physician who repeatedly makes the boasts and claims that you do on these newsgroups would be able to answer these questions honestly.
This proves that you are lying about your medical practice and your claims, both by omission and commission. You are continuing to be pathologically untruthful in how you represent yourself and your clinical experience. This is dishonest and further evidence of your mental illness and personality disorder.
Chung, you are not an endocrinologist. You are not a Board Certified Internist. I am.
"Black fat" is not a term that is used in medicine. . You claim to offer measurement of VAT. How is it measured? What units are used? How does one know when it is lost. Please site evidence-based, peer reviewed sources that state that diabetes is curable upon loosing VAT. If you are unable or unwilling to give verifiable evidence to support your absurd claims, then stop. His license is already under investigation. Anyone wishing to add his/ her complaints about Chung's unprofessional behavior and absurd, nonstandard medical advice can also contact the Board. It can be done anonymously. http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/02/csbme/home/0,2458,26729866,00.html
From the website of the Georgia Medical Board:
What is unprofessional conduct?
According to the Medical Practice Act, unprofessional conduct includes "any departure from or failure to conform to the minimal standards of acceptable and prevailing medical practice and shall also include, but not be limited to the prescribing or use of drugs, treatment or diagnostic procedures which are detrimental to the patient as determined by the minimal standards of acceptable medical care."
In general, examples of unprofessional conduct include, but are not limited to, physical abuse of a patient, inadequate record keeping, not recognizing or acting upon common symptoms, prescribing drugs in excessive amounts or without legitimate reason, personal impairment (mental or physical) that hinders safely practicing within the scope of one's license or certificate, performing duties beyond the scope of one's license or certificate and dishonesty. The Investigations and Discipline rules of the Georgia Medical Board, (Rule 360-3.02 and 360-3-.04), also provide additional examples of unprofessional conduct for which a licensee may be disciplined.
File a Complaint Composite State Board of Medical Examiners Enforcement Unit 2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor Atlanta, Georgia 30303 PH: (404) 657-6487 FX: (404) 656-9723 http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/00/article/0,2086,26729866_27513604_27080031,00.html
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J666 - 20 Apr 2008 06:10 GMT How many of the Celestial Chicken's chickens have given their life so man can live. How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live.
Hail Maggie, Full of Chickenfeed, The Celestial Chicken is with thee. Blessed art thou among hens, and blessed is the fruit of thy egg, Chickie. Holy Maggie, Mother of Celestial Chicken, pray for us friers now, and at the hour of our deep frying
Terry Cross - 20 Apr 2008 06:31 GMT > Re: How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live? None. A person would barbecue a live chicken only for love of cruelty, not for food.
Sometimes you make really dumb remarks. In fact, most of the time your remarks are really dumb.
TCross
Machete - 20 Apr 2008 13:53 GMT >> Re: How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > TCross That you Fish?
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 16:02 GMT >> Re: How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > TCross If you don't get it, I will not try to explain it to you.
Terry Cross - 20 Apr 2008 17:18 GMT > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 0:31:44 -0500, Terry Cross wrote > (in message [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > If you don't get it, I will not try to explain it to you. I get the part you did not intend - you flashing your stupidity to the world.
TCross
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 18:23 GMT > I get the part you did not intend - you flashing your stupidity to the > world. > > TCross Get a life and open up your narrow rigid mind - your comment says far more about you. I'll leave it to your response for the last word.
Terry Cross - 20 Apr 2008 18:43 GMT > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:18:24 -0500, Terry Cross wrote > (in message [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Get a life and open up your narrow rigid mind - your comment says far more > about you. I'll leave it to your response for the last word. Except in your sadistic imagination, chickens do not die on barbecue spits. How interesting that you Atheists consider the simple truth to be "narrow and rigid."
TCross
Phobos - 20 Apr 2008 19:31 GMT >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:18:24 -0500, Terry Cross wrote >> (in message [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > TCross Carrying an analogy to a somewhat exaggerated and even intentionally absurd end, is a way to make a point.
You obviously do not agree and seem overly sensitive to this analogy.
It seems to me that the problem with many believers in God (the God of Abraham) is that they (Jews, Christians and Muslims) spend more time promoting, interpreting and defending their scriptures (Old Testament, New Testament and Koran) and rituals and attacking the other's scriptures and rituals rather than trying to live according to their beliefs.
It does seem NOT to be universal agreement on just which, if any of these, are the Right Way as each equally claims they are right and others are wrong.
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 20:33 GMT > Carrying an analogy to a somewhat exaggerated and even intentionally absurd > end, is a way to make a point. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It does seem NOT to be universal agreement on just which, if any of these, > are the Right Way as each equally claims they are right and others are wrong. It does seem that many people of faith are more concerned with scriptures/rituals and what others think and say than with God Himself.
It does seem unusual that some who believe with their "heart and soul" about God are so bothered by comments from those whom they view as "idiots." You have to wonder just how strongly they believe themselves to be right if comments from an "idiot" are of a concern. Could it be that those other words may sound reasonable and not idiotic to others and so that is the reason for the comments.
As is said, many times a person's pejorative words referring to others acutally say far more about him/herself than the other person.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Apr 2008 21:08 GMT satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
"How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live." -- satan.
> > Carrying an analogy to a somewhat exaggerated and even intentionally absurd > > end, is a way to make a point. Your intention here is to mock the death of LORD Jesus Christ.
This has backfired because HE is risen and now sits at the right hand of GOD the Father.
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J666 - 20 Apr 2008 21:15 GMT > Your intention here is to mock the death of LORD Jesus Christ. > > This has backfired because HE is risen and now sits at the right hand > of GOD the Father. Your intention here is to mock the death of Celestial Chickeen Chickie.
This has backfired because Chickie is risen and now sits at the right hand of the Celestial Chicken the Father.
http://CelestialChicken.org/Truth
Laus Pollo !!!
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Apr 2008 21:30 GMT > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan > > > > <>< > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatsatan J666 - 20 Apr 2008 21:38 GMT > http://CelestialChicken.org/ImbecileHadesFox > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://CelestialChicken.org/TruthBeatHadesFox Laus Pollo
monkfish - 21 Apr 2008 00:07 GMT >>>> I get the part you did not intend - you flashing your stupidity to >>>> the world. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > these, are the Right Way as each equally claims they are right and > others are wrong. You are making a baseless allegation. So far as I can tell, most Christians are just trying to live their lives as best as they can according to their faith. They even study theology to make sure they do so correctly.
Are you trying to live your life as best as you can? If so, according to what?
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Terry Cross - 21 Apr 2008 04:26 GMT > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:43:20 -0500, Terry Cross wrote > (in message [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Carrying an analogy to a somewhat exaggerated and even intentionally absurd > end, is a way to make a point. If you shoot at a basket and miss, you miss and you don't get the point. Please don't ask the opposition to retrieve the rebound and correct the error. And no one gets points for "trying."
> You obviously do not agree and seem overly sensitive to this analogy. I will be willing to laugh about the Crucifixion with the first Jew who considers the Holocaust a joke.
> It seems to me that the problem with many believers in God (the God of > Abraham) is that they (Jews, Christians and Muslims) spend more time > promoting, interpreting and defending their scriptures (Old Testament, New > Testament and Koran) and rituals and attacking the other's scriptures and > rituals rather than trying to live according to their beliefs. Those who live by their beliefs in the Old Testament (Torah, Tanakh) are savages.
> It does seem NOT to be universal agreement on just which, if any of these, > are the Right Way as each equally claims they are right and others are wrong. Which scripture endorses sexual mutilation of children? Which scripture endorses extermination or enslavement of non-believers? Which scripture assures the believers that God curses all non- believers? Which document endorses racism, sexism, and public stonings? Which document pretends to absolve sin byu slaughtering animals and sprinkling the blood on the penitents?
Two scriptures uphold morality and strive for a better world. One would return the world to a craven cult living in terror of a blood- crazed hereditary priesthood. Can you tell which is which?
TCross
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 21:10 GMT Next Sunday in Mableton Georgia at 5701 Mableton Parkway 2 B there will be a barbecue chicken dinner and prayer meeting and VAT screening to raise money for Dr. Chung's upcoming ocean voyage to make the world safe from bird flu.
For details go to:
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We are thanfkful to all the chickens who are willing to give their life for this noble cause.
Laus Pollo
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Father Haskell - 21 Apr 2008 05:00 GMT > > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:18:24 -0500, Terry Cross wrote > > (in message [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Except in your sadistic imagination, chickens do not die on barbecue > spits. That *would* be a trick after having their heads chopped off, wouldn't it?
> How interesting that you Atheists consider the simple truth to > be "narrow and rigid." You think there's a chance that as they see the cleaver come down, they comprehend the immediacy and horror of their mortality?
Can you prove otherwise?
Libertarius - 25 Apr 2008 23:48 GMT HOW STUPID!
Chickens are long dead before they get on the barbecue spit! ;-) -- L. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Mike - 20 Apr 2008 15:53 GMT > How many of the Celestial Chicken's chickens have given their life so man > can > live. How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live. You mock because you don't understand the verses in the Bible that say, "He did for our sin", etc. You fail to understand the meaning of the suffering and death of Christ. Yet it is so obvious that it is an outrage that it has not been taught in the past.
Jesus went about doing miracles of love and preaching the truth. He continued doing so in spite of threats and persecution. He knew He would be killed if He kept doing these things. But He was determined to continue doing what's right. So when they finally captured Him, Jesus suffered for the cause of love. And it proved that He was sincerely devoted to righteousness. And He proved so worthy of honor that God raised Him from the dead. And now loving One who was so completely devoted to what is right can inspire us to love righteousness too and cleanses our hearts from evil intent.
If this interests you, you can find more at:
http://www.sirus.com/users/mjake/page40.html#proved
J A - 20 Apr 2008 16:22 GMT >> How many of the Celestial Chicken's chickens have given their life so man >> can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > suffering and death of Christ. Yet it is so obvious that it is an outrage > that it has not been taught in the past. He's playing on the fact that for thousands of years before (and after) the jesus myth, people sacrificed animals to the "gods", then ate the remains in feasts.
Jesus "sacrificed",,,, shamen priests giving people waffers and grape juice,,,, you should be able to get the idea.
The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation of earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think is describing some unique actual event (it's not).
Mike - 20 Apr 2008 18:25 GMT > The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation of > earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think is > describing some unique actual event (it's not). But if that were true, then there would be an obvious trail of documentation showing how the traditions slowly evolved with time and how other myths were incorporated. No such documentation exists. So there is no support for your claim. If you're going to support this claim that it is all a collection of myths, then you need to show motive and opportunity. But the early church has a well documented history of persecution, which eliminates both motive to invent fabrications and opportunity.
J A - 20 Apr 2008 18:47 GMT >> The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation of >> earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think is >> describing some unique actual event (it's not). >> > But if that were true, then there would be an obvious trail of > documentation LOL. do you think there's documentation on why christmas is on Dec.25?
> showing how the traditions slowly evolved with time and how other myths > were > incorporated. No such documentation exists. So there is no support for > your > claim. <snip>
Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E. (Paperback) by Ramsay MacMullen (Author),
A review:
39 of 41 people found the following review helpful: When Christians do really bad things., September 22, 2002 By pnotley@hotmail.com (Edmonton, Alberta Canada) - See all my reviews
Concise, elegant, massively documented and beautifully endnoted, Ramsay MacMullen's book is a devastating account of the rise of Christianity and the destruction of Paganism.
With 85 pages of notes to 159 pages of text, with widespread use of primary sources, archeological evidence and the secondary literature, MacMullen's book is an exhaustive update of Gibbon for the present day. The book consists of four chapters, those being Christian Persecution, the losses of the Pagans, the rise of superstition and the assimilation of pagan elements into Christian practice. I think Stalin would find it grimly amusing reading, since it suggests that whatever success Christianity achieved was by fanaticism and violence. We start off with an account of how Christians systematically suppressed non-Christian works, as well as the "heretics" amongst themselves. We hear Eusebius, the first great Church historian, announce that it is not the duty to tell the whole truth but only what is of profit. Students of the Russian Revolution will remember the gruesome story of the child who informed on his "kulak" parents, was murdered by his relatives, and became the hero of a gruesome cult. In this book we hear how the emperor Justinian was moved to raptures on hearing of how a Jewish boy convert survived being thrown into a furnace by his father. Justinian learned how angels prevented the boy from being burned, and then he had the father crucified. Persecution: MacMullen challenges those who argues that Christianity was an improvement for women and slaves. Women did play some role in leading Pagan cults, none at all in Christianity, and he tells how while a pagan governor demanded the compensation for the family of a murdered prostitute, Saint Jerome supported beheading for extramarital fornication. He discusses how exorcisms, resurrections, and healings played a greater role in conversions than sermons or reasoned argument. He discusses the increasingly bloodthirsty demands of bishops, monks and imperial decrees as well as pointing out the weaknesses of the bureaucratic machinery.
Cost to the Persecuted: MacMullen notes how Constantine still claimed a sort of divine status for himself and his father. He discusses the joyous pagan festivals, including feasts, dancing, poetry orations and their long presistence despite the opposition of the bishops (Augustine tried to argue that giving friends presents was wicked). MacMullen also gives accounts of pagans who thought idols had actual magical powers. He discusses the destruction of pagan temples and shrines, as well as the cutting down of sacred trees.
Superstition: MacMullen discusses the shifiting attitude from the rational world view of Pliny, Seneca and Plotinus and the increase in credulity throughout the third and fourth centuries. MacMullen argues that this was a result of changes in the elite as more vulgar and less literate people increased their predominance. Whatever the merits of this thesis, MacMullen points our the contempt prominent Christians such as Tertullian, Augustine, Lactantius, Ambrose and John Chrysostom had for ancient philosophy. They denounced Plato and Aristotle by name, and mocked the idea of skeptical study and the scientific attitude. Nor did they stop there. They told stories about appartitions over the battlefield, miraculous cures, the everpresent existence of demons, people raised to life by Christians, and dragons turned to dust by the sign of the cross.
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J A - 20 Apr 2008 19:17 GMT In 312 AD the Roman Emperor Constantine responding to a dream (how Pagan!), converted from paganism to Christianity.
The world changed forever. All of a sudden it was good to be Christian and bad to be Pagan. Within a century of Constantine's conversion the Empire went from roughly ten percent Christian (most of these believing in now extinct "heretical" Christianities) to mostly Roman Christian
How'd the conversion happen? Partly by giving Christians preference for government contracts and advancement.
Also by coercion.
Constantine made divination in public matters was punishable by burning to death.
Pagan sacrifices were banned [341 AD]. Nocturnal pagan worship was forbidden [353 AD]. By mid-century, pagan temples were ordered closed. In 356 AD worship of non-Christian images became a capital crime.
In 385 Christians tore the great and famous temple at Edessa to the ground, and the praetorian prefect Cynegius' trip to Egypt was marked by Christians rampaging around the pagan cities of Syria as vandalizing, looting mobs.
see http://www.pocm.info/triumph_over_other_Christianities.html
monkfish - 21 Apr 2008 00:29 GMT >>> The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation of >>> earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E. (Paperback) by Ramsay MacMullen > (Author), Tell us all about it after you read the book, please.
We all use expressions we are familiar with to express things we are not familiar with. Christians must have adopted a lot of pagan expressions. That was mighty generous of them, wouldn't you say? No wonder they grew in numbers so rapidly.
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J A - 21 Apr 2008 01:16 GMT >>>> The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation of >>>> earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think is [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Tell us all about it after you read the book, please. I read the book years ago, dimwit, you could read it yourself, but I doubt that you could mentally grasp the truth of it.
Here's a little help for you in understanding your fraudulent cult.
The rising from the dead myth had been around long before jesus in various Mediterranean religious cults. Similarly, virgin birth was an unoriginal invention. As one example: Romulus and Remus, the founders of Rome, were supposedly virgin births with the god Mars being the father.
<snip>.
monkfish - 21 Apr 2008 02:21 GMT >>>>> The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation >>>>> of earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > <snip>. So what? You are talking about your misunderstanding of Christianity.
If you don't believe in God, that means you have no idea what Christianity is. Why do you keep on talking about something you have no idea what it is?
What does it mean for you to believe in God?
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Roger Pearse - 21 Apr 2008 18:07 GMT > "Mike" <m...@no.spam.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > LOL. do you think there's documentation on why christmas is on Dec.25? Um, you've just been asked for documentation for your claim. This (irrelevant) interjection does you no credit.
> > showing how the traditions slowly evolved with time and how other myths > > were incorporated. No such documentation exists. So there is no support for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E. (Paperback) > by Ramsay MacMullen (Author), Argument by book, eh? Let's see what documentation in support of these silly claims is produced....
> A review: Oh. So not even the book; a paste of someone's opinions about it. Whose, we are not told.
> Concise, elegant, massively documented ... (flattery snipped)
> I think Stalin would find it grimly amusing reading, since it suggests that > whatever success Christianity achieved was by fanaticism and violence. This hate-claim is relevant to the claim above how?
> We start off with an account of how Christians systematically suppressed > non-Christian works, ... Since they did not, this isn't a good start. How could an illegal organisation do any such thing?
Again, this hate-claim is relevant to the claim above how?
>...as well as the "heretics" amongst themselves. We hear Eusebius, the > first great Church historian, announce that it is not the duty to tell the > whole truth but only what is of profit. He did not; so another falsehood.
Yet again, this hate-claim is relevant to the claim above how?
> In this book we hear how the emperor Justinian ... (hate-libels snipped) Who lived before AD 425, did he?
Yet, yet again, this hate-claim is relevant to the claim above how?
(etc)
None of which has any relevance.
So, when challenged for documentation, JA responds with a paste of someone's opinion about some book, none of it relevant?
JA, you have some explaining to do.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
J A - 21 Apr 2008 21:24 GMT > "Mike" <m...@no.spam.com> wrote in message > > "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > LOL. do you think there's documentation on why christmas is on Dec.25?
>Um, you've just been asked for documentation for your claim. This >(irrelevant) interjection does you no credit. LOL. They took over the Roman Saturnalia celebrations, you disingenuous moron.
Here's a little background on it.
Encyclopædia Britannica: The reason why Christmas came to be celebrated on December 25 remains uncertain, but most probably the reason is that early Christians wished the date to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the "birthday of the unconquered sun" (natalis solis invicti); this festival celebrated the winter solstice, when the days again begin to lengthen and the sun begins to climb higher in the sky.
The traditional customs connected with Christmas have accordingly developed from several sources as a result of the coincidence of the celebration of the birth of Christ with the pagan agricultural and solar observances at midwinter. In the Roman world the Saturnalia (December 17) was a time of merrymaking and exchange of gifts. December 25 was also regarded as the birth date of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. On the Roman New Year (January 1), houses were decorated with greenery and lights, and gifts were given to children and the poor. To these observances were added the German and Celtic Yule rites when the Teutonic tribes penetrated into Gaul, Britain, and central Europe. Food and good fellowship, the Yule log and Yule cakes, greenery and fir trees, and gifts and greetings all commemorated different aspects of this festive season. Fires and lights, symbols of warmth and lasting life, have always been associated with the winter festival, both pagan and Christian. Since the European Middle Ages, evergreens, as symbols of survival, have been associated with Christmas. Christmas is traditionally regarded as the festival of the family and of children, under the name of whose patron, Saint Nicholas <eb://gateway/g?gtype=article_view&doc_name=core/05/71/23_1.html> (q.v.), or Santa Claus, presents are exchanged in many countries.
> > showing how the traditions slowly evolved with time and how other myths > > were incorporated. No such documentation exists. So there is no support [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E. (Paperback) > by Ramsay MacMullen (Author),
>Argument by book, eh? Let's see what documentation in support of >these silly claims is produced.... Fool - you jesus supernaturalists argue from a myth book called the bible. Once again your disingenuous arguments are childish.
"Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E." by Ramsay MacMullen, is at least a reliable book with abundant references.
Of course, you could make all this arguing immaterial and win your point simply by having your supernatural beings appear to mankind, and prove their unlimited powers.
When will you do that?
<snip further Pearse tripe>
monkfish - 21 Apr 2008 23:45 GMT > Of course, you could make all this arguing immaterial and win your point > simply by having your supernatural beings appear to mankind, and prove > their unlimited powers. God did. Read all about it in the New Testament.
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Father Haskell - 22 Apr 2008 00:26 GMT > > Of course, you could make all this arguing immaterial and win your point > > simply by having your supernatural beings appear to mankind, and prove > > their unlimited powers. > > God did. > Read all about it in the New Testament. Single account.
Roger Pearse - 22 Apr 2008 09:20 GMT > > "Mike" <m...@no.spam.com> wrote in message > > > "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > LOL. They took over the Roman Saturnalia celebrations, you disingenuous > moron. (Irrelevant paste snipped)
I smell a troll...
Atheists... no evidence, no manners and no shame.
Roger Pearse
DanielSan - 22 Apr 2008 13:29 GMT >>> "Mike" <m...@no.spam.com> wrote in message >>>> "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Atheists... no evidence, For Saturnalia?
> no manners You're posting to alt.atheism. Where are you manners?
> and no shame. So, you have no shame?
> Roger Pearse Oh, right. I forgot who I was talking to.
J A - 22 Apr 2008 22:58 GMT On 21 Apr, 21:24, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > LOL. They took over the Roman Saturnalia celebrations, you disingenuous > moron. (Irrelevant paste snipped)
>I smell a troll... You smell your own foul odor.
Again:
From Encyclopædia Britannica:
The reason why Christmas came to be celebrated on December 25 remains uncertain, but most probably the reason is that early Christians wished the date to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the "birthday of the unconquered sun" (natalis solis invicti); this festival celebrated the winter solstice, when the days again begin to lengthen and the sun begins to climb higher in the sky.
The traditional customs connected with Christmas have accordingly developed from several sources as a result of the coincidence of the celebration of the birth of Christ with the pagan agricultural and solar observances at midwinter. In the Roman world the Saturnalia (December 17) was a time of merrymaking and exchange of gifts. December 25 was also regarded as the birth date of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. On the Roman New Year (January 1), houses were decorated with greenery and lights, and gifts were given to children and the poor. To these observances were added the German and Celtic Yule rites when the Teutonic tribes penetrated into Gaul, Britain, and central Europe. Food and good fellows
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