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Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 04:53 GMT
Here, Andy, you'll need a map of the Pacific to
get yourself to China:

http://files.meetup.com/238907/middle%20earth%20map%20wallpaper.jpg
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 08:40 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan

is still...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

forevermore:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Alpha_Omega

guaranteed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/ProofsByGOD

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 08:48 GMT
On Apr 12, 3:40 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan

So sorry, my bad.  Here's the right map:

http://www.oz-central.com/graphic/p_map_01x.jpg
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 08:51 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan
Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 09:12 GMT
On Apr 12, 3:51 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan

http://apartments-rentals.fabrussia.com/moscow-guide/img-moscow-metro-map/moscow
-metro-map.gif

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 09:17 GMT
You are...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Deadsatan
Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 09:21 GMT
On Apr 12, 4:17 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> You are...
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Deadsatan

http://www.visuallee.com/weblog/images/galactic_neighborhood.gif
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 09:23 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan
Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 16:28 GMT
On Apr 12, 4:23 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19694/19694-h/images/015.jpg
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 16:33 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/DepressedSockPuppet
Father Haskell - 12 Apr 2008 18:11 GMT
On Apr 12, 11:33 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/DepressedSockPuppet

http://www.odt.org/Pictures/mcarthursmap.jpg
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 18:41 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan
Machete - 16 Apr 2008 04:52 GMT
> On Apr 12, 11:33 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/DepressedSockPuppet
>
> http://www.odt.org/Pictures/mcarthursmap.jpg

Is this the only navigational help you're going to provide Chung?  This is
going to be the easiest 15 grand you ever made FH.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Apr 2008 10:46 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
Father Haskell - 16 Apr 2008 20:51 GMT
> > On Apr 12, 11:33 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> > <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Is this the only navigational help you're going to provide Chung?  This is
> going to be the easiest 15 grand you ever made FH.

That and a few helpful tips I learned in the Scouts,
such as how moss always grows on the north side of
a tree.
Machete - 17 Apr 2008 00:30 GMT
>> > On Apr 12, 11:33 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> > <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> such as how moss always grows on the north side of
> a tree.

Make sure he knows what the Gulf Stream is and how it works, just a cursory
overview (20 seconds or less) will suffice.  You might want to clue him on
on the likelyhood of giant rogue waves turning his boat into a wooden
missile at some point during the journey.  Should I provide seatbelts, or
would it do more harm than good?  Chung's 80 pound pack might cause a
problem if he does a Peter Pan over the edge of the boat.
Father Haskell - 17 Apr 2008 03:16 GMT
> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> would it do more harm than good?  Chung's 80 pound pack might cause a
> problem if he does a Peter Pan over the edge of the boat.

It's fair and gentle seas up until the North Sea, presuming
he survives the ice packs, which should be calving heavily
now that summer is on its way.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Apr 2008 05:01 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/DumbSockPuppets

of

http://HeartMDphD.com/Imbecilesatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren
Machete - 17 Apr 2008 05:36 GMT
>> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> he survives the ice packs, which should be calving heavily
> now that summer is on its way.

Well, sounds like you've provided a safe route, Chung should thank you for
this encouraging piece of information FH.
Father Haskell - 17 Apr 2008 06:38 GMT
> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Well, sounds like you've provided a safe route, Chung should thank you for
> this encouraging piece of information FH.

Hmm.  Guess what sank on her maiden voyage from Southampton to
New York on April 15, 1912 -- anniversary two days ago?
Machete - 17 Apr 2008 07:13 GMT
>> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> Hmm.  Guess what sank on her maiden voyage from Southampton to
> New York on April 15, 1912 -- anniversary two days ago?

Bugger me, iceberg right ahead!  Fortunately for Chung, his *ship* will only
be able to reach a top speed of 3 knots and this should prevent him from
slamming into any bergs capable of sinking the RMS-Wanger.  Perhaps I should
consider investing in an old outboard motor.  My dad has an 1983 Evinrude,
100HP.  It could cause the boat to sink even lower into the water but with
that amount of HP, Chung's boat could probably reach speeds of 45MPH without
much trouble.  Again, the size and weight of the boat has to be considered
though and with a 300 pound boat ( plenty of holes) a large motor might
cause other problems.  Oh well, I'll look into the Evinrude.  Chung would
have to stop off along the way to get extra fuel but that's his problem.
Given the weight of the gear, motor and crew, the boat would have the life
expectancy of a common housefly, but we can't have Chung taking eight months
to reach his destination.  Risks must be taken.
Father Haskell - 17 Apr 2008 08:29 GMT
> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
> expectancy of a common housefly, but we can't have Chung taking eight months
> to reach his destination.  Risks must be taken.

Indeed, what with the earthquakes off the Oregon coast
even as we speak.
Machete - 18 Apr 2008 04:16 GMT
>> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 73 lines]
> Indeed, what with the earthquakes off the Oregon coast
> even as we speak.

Yeah, I don't imagine the Omer-Wanger would fair well against a tsunami of
40 or 50 feet.  I still haven't read a thanks for Chung for the 100HP motor,
it will make it much easier on him physically and will cut his trip from
8-10 months to perhaps a month, if he makes it out of US waters, err, I
mean, if he doesn't run out of gas.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 04:22 GMT
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> trip from 8-10 months to perhaps a month, if he makes it out of US
> waters, err, I mean, if he doesn't run out of gas.

Do you own a gun?

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Machete - 18 Apr 2008 06:39 GMT
>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Do you own a gun?

There's that verbiage again, please, wipe your a.s before you speak next
time.
J666 - 18 Apr 2008 13:06 GMT
> There's that verbiage again, please, wipe your a.s before you speak next
> time.

Wonder if monkcrap has brown eyes which may explain a shitty outlook.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 17:56 GMT
>>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> There's that verbiage again, please, wipe your a.s before you speak next
> time.

Just checking whether you are suicidal or not.

Have you read any theology book lately?

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Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 03:07 GMT
> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Have you read any theology book lately?

Does the Satanic Bible count?
J666 - 19 Apr 2008 03:21 GMT
>> Have you read any theology book lately?
>
> Does the Satanic Bible count?

Remember the Chible, was written using one of the Celestial Chicken's feather
as a quill.

The feather is mighter than the sword
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 03:43 GMT
>> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Does the Satanic Bible count?

No.

Have you read any book lately?

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Machete - 19 Apr 2008 04:03 GMT
>>> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Have you read any book lately?

Somehow I get the feeling that he's just a bit more schooled than you.
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 04:35 GMT
>>>> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Somehow I get the feeling that he's just a bit more schooled than you.

I know even you don't trust your judgment.
What kind of heart problem do you have?

BTW I would love to remove SMC from the header;
but somehow that drives J666 crazy.

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Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 07:42 GMT
> >> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> No.

Why not?

> Have you read any book lately?

You'd read the Satanic Bible, except being forced
to think would kill you.
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 16:40 GMT
>> >> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> You'd read the Satanic Bible, except being forced to think would kill
> you.

Try to read some philosophy books.

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Machete - 19 Apr 2008 03:51 GMT
>> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Does the Satanic Bible count?

Sure but what about The Book of the Law?
Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 07:49 GMT
> >> >>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Sure but what about The Book of the Law?

Did you burn your copy after reading it?

If you didn't, you're f.cked.
Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 03:07 GMT
> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Do you own a gun?

What, are you proposing he KILL Chung?
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 03:42 GMT
>> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> What, are you proposing he KILL Chung?

No.
I'm just wondering whether he is suicidal.

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Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 07:51 GMT
> >> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> No.
> I'm just wondering whether he is suicidal.

No one's falling for that transparent lie.

Monkfish wants to kill you, Andy.  Run!
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 16:42 GMT
>> >> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Monkfish wants to kill you, Andy.  Run!

Have you ever killed anyone?

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Machete - 19 Apr 2008 04:02 GMT
>> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> What, are you proposing he KILL Chung?

I think he's actually starting to foam at the mouth now, I'm having a hard
time trying to figure out who's more in need of psychiatric help, fish or
chung.  Evidently, he deduced that I was suicidal because I didn't like
Chung.  I'm starting to wonder if Monkeybutt has been absuing Datura.

As for Chung, he is certainly in no danger from anyone in this group.  Andy
already had his near death experience when he was beaten up by a 13 year old
while trying to preach at a Bar Mitzvah.  He said is was the parking police
at some college but we all know better.

Chung's only concern should be his 14,000 mile trip and keeping the large
plastic chicken attached to his boat while he cruises the Atlantic at speeds
up to 40 knots.

By the way FH, any idea where I could get some C-Rations left over from
Korea or Nam?  These might come in handy for Chung, I suspect they have a
shelf life of about 150 years.
Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 07:59 GMT
> >> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Korea or Nam?  These might come in handy for Chung, I suspect they have a
> shelf life of about 150 years.

Will pet food do?  Dog biscuits should substitute well
for 60 year old survival biscuits.  Neither one apparently
has any actual taste.

How about some made-in-China Greenies from Sam's Club
to keep his teeth clean and his breath chlorophyll fresh?

Speaking of peridontal issues, he'll need plenty of
fresh fruit to keep his teeth from falling out.  Captain
Bligh kept his crew from the ravages of scurvy by
stocking up on bread fruit.  Certainly there'll be
ample breadfruit trees along his route?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Apr 2008 09:23 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan
J666 - 19 Apr 2008 13:21 GMT
> Speaking of peridontal issues

Preparation H will work for him.
Machete - 19 Apr 2008 14:29 GMT
>> Speaking of peridontal issues
>
> Preparation H will work for him.

I can't allow that, rubbing alcohol will take down the swelling.  Might be a
bit painful but what is pain to a man who fasted for 387 days!
Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 20:43 GMT
> > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 1:59:28 -0500, Father Haskell wrote
> > (in message
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I can't allow that, rubbing alcohol will take down the swelling.  Might be a
> bit painful but what is pain to a man who fasted for 387 days!

How about lemon juice?  He could shove a
whole lemon up his butt, and get his daily
dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the
same time.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Apr 2008 20:52 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan
Father Haskell - 19 Apr 2008 20:56 GMT
On Apr 19, 3:52 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan

Try to help.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Apr 2008 21:03 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Worthlesssatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren
J666 - 19 Apr 2008 22:18 GMT
> How about lemon juice?  He could shove a
> whole lemon up his butt, and get his daily
> dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the
> same time.

Doing that will make his lips pucker up
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Apr 2008 22:56 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan
Machete - 20 Apr 2008 01:09 GMT
>> How about lemon juice?  He could shove a
>> whole lemon up his butt, and get his daily
>> dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the
>> same time.
>
> Doing that will make his lips pucker up

Well, at least that would shut him up so his mate doesn't have to listen to
him.
monkfish - 20 Apr 2008 01:14 GMT
>>> How about lemon juice?  He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and
>>> get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Well, at least that would shut him up so his mate doesn't have to listen
> to him.

Pitiful.

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Father Haskell - 20 Apr 2008 02:28 GMT
> >>> How about lemon juice?  He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and
> >>> get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Pitiful.

Think of poor Mr. Shabazz's happiness for once.
He so wanted a teak bar on that luxury appointed
yacht that he was going to follow Chung with.
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 02:54 GMT
>>>>> How about lemon juice?  He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and
>>>>> get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> He so wanted a teak bar on that luxury appointed
> yacht that he was going to follow Chung with.

He doth protest too mucn.

Maybe he wants to go as Chung's mate. Maybe he is jealous of Mr. Shabazz

Do they need an anchor or fish bait for trolling.
monkfish - 20 Apr 2008 03:41 GMT
>>>>>> How about lemon juice?  He could shove a whole lemon up his butt,
>>>>>> and get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Do they need an anchor or fish bait for trolling.

Still trolling?
Final warning.

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Machete - 20 Apr 2008 04:04 GMT
>> >>> How about lemon juice?  He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and
>> >>> get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> He so wanted a teak bar on that luxury appointed
> yacht that he was going to follow Chung with.

Yes but keep in mind that Mr. Shabbaz just got released from prison for
strong armed robery, he's just done some hard time.  Being out on the open
sea with Chung might give him an opportunity to take some aggresion out,
oops, I mean, get some fresh air and enjoy the luxery cruiser complete with
100HP motor.  Plus, he's getting paid 40,000 dollars (from Chung.)  When
Chung arrives overseas (if) he'll certainly need some protection as his
mouth, doubtless, will get him into trouble.  Shabbaz will require
additional protection money for each individual incident (1,000 a piece.)
He could earn over 75,000 dollars on this trip and get his pimp and drug
business going again!  It may sound like a bum deal for Shabbaz, but he's
actually excited about it!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Apr 2008 04:16 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthStabssatan
guardian Snow - 20 Apr 2008 04:19 GMT
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthStabssatan

CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA
5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B |
MABLETON, GA  30126
(404) 699-2780

Notice that Chung doesn’t address a single issue he’s been called up
on. Change the titles on threads he post, he’s a control freak and
hates it.

Make sure and complain about Mr. Chungs spams to Google, he is only
doing it to drive up traffic on his web site that he is attempting to
sell for half a million dollars to Emory University.  He is spamming
us to drive up traffic numbers at his web site and will not stop until
we all complain about his tactics!

Anorexia is a serious medical condition.  Your calls (Mr. Chung) for
people to "go hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advise you
to stop this immediately.

www.anad.org/

and

www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical
attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung.  If he persist in this
continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to
log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being
delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession.  It
is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the
condition of the people you are delivering the message to.

See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state.
Don’t be fooled by Chung! He admits to not keeping his state
qualifications and while he likes to post a link to “Emory Cardiology”
in his post, the site that states it is a “unofficial web site as a
tribute” and in no way is an endorsement of him or his standing in the
medical community.

Dr. Yamantaka Says,
He is already under investigation by the State of Georgia for reasons
of dishonesty, mental illness and inability to practice up to minimum
community standards.

Mike Mordant says:
Other authorities may take an interest in his business practices
soon.  He'll owe the IRS somewhere in the neighborhood of $150,000
and
$280,000 for his sale of the emorycardiology.com domain.  It may get
treated as ordinary income, not a capital gain since he "remains
lawful steward."

To that Mr. Chung’s web site states:

“after receiving an offer from Emory University for less than its fair
market value, I have been moved to put this domain on the market so
that others may have the opportunity to purchase this high-profile
cardiology domain at its current market value.  However, this
opportunity is for the domain only and not the web content.  If
interested, please leave a message at 404.699.2780 (serious inquiries
with offers of more than US$550,000.00 only).”

In other words,  Mr. Chung is spamming us on usenet to create traffic
at his domain so that he can blackmail Emory University into paying a
ridiculous sum of money just for the domain name. There is very little
content on the site and nothing of any medical value.

So, don’t visit the site.  He’s just trying to drive up traffic
numbers to justify the cost and that is why he is putting dozens of
stupid spams.  They have nothing to do with the Christian faith and
everything to do with his desire to derive profits.

Mr. Chung says of his own qualifications,
>  Didn't you take the required exam for recertification last
> year ?

No.  The board-certification in internal medicine was required for the
fellowship training in cardiology.

> Cardiology is a subspecialty of internal medicine.  The cardiologist
> who treated me for atypical chest pain is board certified in both
> internal and cardiovascular medicine.

That is his/her choice as it is mine to not recertify in internal
medicine.

Dr. Yamantaka also stated:

Chung, you have shown that you are unable or unwilling to truthfully
answer the reasonable and straight forward questions that I have asked
you to address. Any practicing physician who repeatedly makes the
boasts and claims that you do on these newsgroups would be able to
answer these questions honestly.

This proves that you are lying about your medical practice and your
claims, both by omission and commission. You are continuing to be
pathologically untruthful in how you represent yourself and your
clinical experience. This is dishonest and further evidence of your
mental illness and personality disorder.

Chung, you are not an endocrinologist. You are not a Board Certified
Internist. I am.

"Black fat" is not a term that is used in medicine. . You claim to
offer measurement of VAT. How is it measured? What units are used? How
does one know when it is lost. Please site evidence-based, peer
reviewed sources that state that diabetes is curable upon loosing
VAT.
If you are unable or unwilling to give verifiable evidence to support
your absurd claims, then stop.
His license is already under investigation. Anyone wishing to add his/
her complaints about Chung's unprofessional behavior and absurd,
nonstandard medical advice can also contact the Board. It can be done
anonymously.
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From the website of the Georgia Medical Board:

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J666 - 20 Apr 2008 06:10 GMT
How many of the Celestial Chicken's chickens have given their life so man can
live.  How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live.

Hail Maggie,
Full of Chickenfeed,
The Celestial Chicken is with thee.
Blessed art thou among hens,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy egg, Chickie.
Holy Maggie,
Mother of Celestial Chicken,
pray for us friers now,
and at the hour of our deep frying
Terry Cross - 20 Apr 2008 06:31 GMT
> Re: How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live?

None.  A person would barbecue a live chicken only for love of
cruelty, not for food.

Sometimes you make really dumb remarks.  In fact, most of the time
your remarks are really dumb.

TCross
Machete - 20 Apr 2008 13:53 GMT
>> Re: How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live?
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> TCross

That you Fish?
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 16:02 GMT
>> Re: How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live?
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> TCross

If you don't get it, I will not try to explain it to you.
Terry Cross - 20 Apr 2008 17:18 GMT
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 0:31:44 -0500, Terry Cross wrote
> (in message
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> If you don't get it, I will not try to explain it to you.

I get the part you did not intend - you flashing your stupidity to the
world.

TCross
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 18:23 GMT
> I get the part you did not intend - you flashing your stupidity to the
> world.
>
> TCross

Get a life and open up your narrow rigid mind - your comment says far more
about you.  I'll leave it to your response for the last word.
Terry Cross - 20 Apr 2008 18:43 GMT
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:18:24 -0500, Terry Cross wrote
> (in message
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Get a life and open up your narrow rigid mind - your comment says far more
> about you.  I'll leave it to your response for the last word.

Except in your sadistic imagination, chickens do not die on barbecue
spits.  How interesting that you Atheists consider the simple truth to
be "narrow and rigid."

TCross
Phobos - 20 Apr 2008 19:31 GMT
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:18:24 -0500, Terry Cross wrote
>> (in message
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> TCross

Carrying an analogy to a somewhat exaggerated and even intentionally absurd
end, is a way to make a point.

You obviously do not agree and seem overly sensitive to this analogy.

It seems to me that the problem with many believers in God (the God of
Abraham) is that they (Jews, Christians and Muslims) spend more time
promoting, interpreting and defending their scriptures (Old Testament, New
Testament and Koran) and rituals and attacking the other's scriptures and
rituals rather than trying to live according to their beliefs.

It does seem NOT to be universal agreement on just which, if any of these,
are the Right Way as each equally claims they are right and others are wrong.
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 20:33 GMT
> Carrying an analogy to a somewhat exaggerated and even intentionally absurd
> end, is a way to make a point.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> It does seem NOT to be universal agreement on just which, if any of these,
> are the Right Way as each equally claims they are right and others are wrong.

It does seem that many people of faith are more concerned with
scriptures/rituals and what others think and say than with God Himself.

It does seem unusual that some who believe with their "heart and soul" about
God are so bothered by comments from those whom they view as "idiots."  You
have to wonder just how strongly they believe themselves to be right if
comments from an "idiot" are of a concern.  Could it be that those other
words may sound reasonable and not idiotic to others and so that is the
reason for the comments.

As is said, many times a person's pejorative words referring to others
acutally say far more about him/herself than the other person.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Apr 2008 21:08 GMT
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:

"How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live."
-- satan.

> > Carrying an analogy to a somewhat exaggerated and even intentionally absurd
> > end, is a way to make a point.

Your intention here is to mock the death of LORD Jesus Christ.

This has backfired because HE is risen and now sits at the right hand
of GOD the Father.

Therefore, you, the mocker, is seen by all to be:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan

who remains:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

forevermore:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Alpha_Omega

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J666 - 20 Apr 2008 21:15 GMT
> Your intention here is to mock the death of LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> This has backfired because HE is risen and now sits at the right hand
> of GOD the Father.

Your intention here is to mock the death of Celestial Chickeen Chickie.

This has backfired because Chickie is risen and now sits at the right hand
of the Celestial Chicken the Father.

http://CelestialChicken.org/Truth

Laus Pollo !!!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Apr 2008 21:18 GMT
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J666 - 20 Apr 2008 21:28 GMT
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatsatan

http://CelestialChicken.org/ImbecileHadesFox

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 .....
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  | |

http://CelestialChicken.org/TruthBeatHadesFox
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Apr 2008 21:30 GMT
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan
> >
> > <><
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatsatan
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 21:38 GMT
> http://CelestialChicken.org/ImbecileHadesFox
>
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>
> http://CelestialChicken.org/TruthBeatHadesFox

Laus Pollo
monkfish - 21 Apr 2008 00:07 GMT
>>>> I get the part you did not intend - you flashing your stupidity to
>>>> the world.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> these, are the Right Way as each equally claims they are right and
> others are wrong.

You are making a baseless allegation.
So far as I can tell, most Christians are
just trying to live their lives
as best as they can according to their faith.
They even study theology to make sure
they do so correctly.

Are you trying to live your life
as best as you can?
If so, according to what?

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Terry Cross - 21 Apr 2008 04:26 GMT
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:43:20 -0500, Terry Cross wrote
> (in message
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Carrying an analogy to a somewhat exaggerated and even intentionally absurd
> end, is a way to make a point.

If you shoot at a basket and miss, you miss and you don't get the
point.  Please don't ask the opposition to retrieve the rebound and
correct the error.  And no one gets points for "trying."

> You obviously do not agree and seem overly sensitive to this analogy.

I will be willing to laugh about the Crucifixion with the first Jew
who considers the Holocaust a joke.

> It seems to me that the problem with many believers in God (the God of
> Abraham) is that they (Jews, Christians and Muslims) spend more time
> promoting, interpreting and defending their scriptures (Old Testament, New
> Testament and Koran) and rituals and attacking the other's scriptures and
> rituals rather than trying to live according to their beliefs.

Those who live by their beliefs in the Old Testament (Torah, Tanakh)
are savages.

> It does seem NOT to be universal agreement on just which, if any of these,
> are the Right Way as each equally claims they are right and others are wrong.

Which scripture endorses sexual mutilation of children?  Which
scripture endorses extermination or enslavement of non-believers?
Which scripture assures the believers that God curses all non-
believers?  Which document endorses racism, sexism, and public
stonings?  Which document pretends to absolve sin byu slaughtering
animals and sprinkling the blood on the penitents?

Two scriptures uphold morality and strive for a better world.  One
would return the world to a craven cult living in terror of a blood-
crazed hereditary priesthood.  Can you tell which is which?

TCross
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 21:10 GMT
Next Sunday in Mableton Georgia at  5701 Mableton Parkway 2 B there will be a
barbecue chicken dinner and prayer meeting and VAT screening to raise money
for Dr. Chung's upcoming ocean voyage to make the world safe from bird flu.

For details go to:

http://heartmephd.com/Chicken_Prayer_VATScreening

We are thanfkful to all the chickens who are willing to give their life for
this noble cause.

Laus Pollo
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Father Haskell - 21 Apr 2008 05:00 GMT
> > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:18:24 -0500, Terry Cross wrote
> > (in message
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Except in your sadistic imagination, chickens do not die on barbecue
> spits.

That *would* be a trick after having their heads chopped
off, wouldn't it?

> How interesting that you Atheists consider the simple truth to
> be "narrow and rigid."

You think there's a chance that as they see the cleaver
come down, they comprehend the immediacy and horror
of their mortality?

Can you prove otherwise?
Libertarius - 25 Apr 2008 23:48 GMT
HOW STUPID!

Chickens are long dead before they get on the barbecue spit! ;-) -- L.
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Mike - 20 Apr 2008 15:53 GMT
> How many of the Celestial Chicken's chickens have given their life so man
> can
> live.  How many chickens have died on a barbecue spit so that we can live.

You mock because you don't understand the verses in the Bible that say, "He
did for our sin", etc. You fail to understand the meaning of the suffering
and death of Christ. Yet it is so obvious that it is an outrage that it has
not been taught in the past.

Jesus went about doing miracles of love and preaching the truth. He
continued doing so in spite of threats and persecution. He knew He would be
killed if He kept doing these things. But He was determined to continue
doing what's right. So when they finally captured Him, Jesus suffered for
the cause of love. And it proved that He was sincerely devoted to
righteousness. And He proved so worthy of honor that God raised Him from the
dead. And now loving One who was so completely devoted to what is right can
inspire us to love righteousness too and cleanses our hearts from evil
intent.

If this interests you, you can find more at:

http://www.sirus.com/users/mjake/page40.html#proved
J A - 20 Apr 2008 16:22 GMT
>> How many of the Celestial Chicken's chickens have given their life so man
>> can
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> suffering and death of Christ. Yet it is so obvious that it is an outrage
> that it has not been taught in the past.

He's playing on the fact that for thousands of years before (and after)  the
jesus myth, people sacrificed animals to the "gods", then ate the remains in
feasts.

Jesus "sacrificed",,,, shamen priests giving people waffers and grape
juice,,,, you should be able to get the idea.

The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation of
earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think is
describing some unique actual event (it's not).
Mike - 20 Apr 2008 18:25 GMT
> The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation of
> earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think is
> describing some unique actual event (it's not).

But if that were true, then there would be an obvious trail of documentation
showing how the traditions slowly evolved with time and how other myths were
incorporated. No such documentation exists. So there is no support for your
claim. If you're going to support this claim that it is all a collection of
myths, then you need to show motive and opportunity. But the early church
has a well documented history of persecution, which eliminates both motive
to invent fabrications and opportunity.
J A - 20 Apr 2008 18:47 GMT
>> The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation of
>> earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think is
>> describing some unique actual event (it's not).
>>
> But if that were true, then there would be an obvious trail of
> documentation

LOL.   do you think there's documentation on why christmas is on Dec.25?

> showing how the traditions slowly evolved with time and how other myths
> were
> incorporated. No such documentation exists. So there is no support for
> your
> claim.

<snip>

Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E. (Paperback)
by Ramsay MacMullen (Author),

A review:

       39 of 41 people found the following review helpful:
      When Christians do really bad things., September 22, 2002
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     Concise, elegant, massively documented and beautifully endnoted,
Ramsay MacMullen's book is a devastating account of the rise of Christianity
and the destruction of Paganism.

      With 85 pages of notes to 159 pages of text, with widespread use of
primary sources, archeological evidence and the secondary literature,
MacMullen's book is an exhaustive update of Gibbon for the present day. The
book consists of four chapters, those being Christian Persecution, the
losses of the Pagans, the rise of superstition and the assimilation of pagan
elements into Christian practice. I think Stalin would find it grimly
amusing reading, since it suggests that whatever success Christianity
achieved was by fanaticism and violence. We start off with an account of how
Christians systematically suppressed non-Christian works, as well as the
"heretics" amongst themselves. We hear Eusebius, the first great Church
historian, announce that it is not the duty to tell the whole truth but only
what is of profit. Students of the Russian Revolution will remember the
gruesome story of the child who informed on his "kulak" parents, was
murdered by his relatives, and became the hero of a gruesome cult. In this
book we hear how the emperor Justinian was moved to raptures on hearing of
how a Jewish boy convert survived being thrown into a furnace by his father.
Justinian learned how angels prevented the boy from being burned, and then
he had the father crucified.
     Persecution: MacMullen challenges those who argues that Christianity
was an improvement for women and slaves. Women did play some role in leading
Pagan cults, none at all in Christianity, and he tells how while a pagan
governor demanded the compensation for the family of a murdered prostitute,
Saint Jerome supported beheading for extramarital fornication. He discusses
how exorcisms, resurrections, and healings played a greater role in
conversions than sermons or reasoned argument. He discusses the increasingly
bloodthirsty demands of bishops, monks and imperial decrees as well as
pointing out the weaknesses of the bureaucratic machinery.

     Cost to the Persecuted: MacMullen notes how Constantine still claimed
a sort of divine status for himself and his father. He discusses the joyous
pagan festivals, including feasts, dancing, poetry orations and their long
presistence despite the opposition of the bishops (Augustine tried to argue
that giving friends presents was wicked). MacMullen also gives accounts of
pagans who thought idols had actual magical powers. He discusses the
destruction of pagan temples and shrines, as well as the cutting down of
sacred trees.

     Superstition: MacMullen discusses the shifiting attitude from the
rational world view of Pliny, Seneca and Plotinus and the increase in
credulity throughout the third and fourth centuries. MacMullen argues that
this was a result of changes in the elite as more vulgar and less literate
people increased their predominance. Whatever the merits of this thesis,
MacMullen points our the contempt prominent Christians such as Tertullian,
Augustine, Lactantius, Ambrose and John Chrysostom had for ancient
philosophy. They denounced Plato and Aristotle by name, and mocked the idea
of skeptical study and the scientific attitude. Nor did they stop there.
They told stories about appartitions over the battlefield, miraculous cures,
the everpresent existence of demons, people raised to life by Christians,
and dragons turned to dust by the sign of the cross.
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J A - 20 Apr 2008 19:17 GMT
In 312 AD the Roman Emperor Constantine responding to a dream (how Pagan!),
converted from paganism to Christianity.

The world changed forever. All of a sudden it was good to be Christian and
bad to be Pagan. Within a century of Constantine's conversion the Empire
went from roughly ten percent Christian (most of these believing in now
extinct "heretical" Christianities) to mostly Roman Christian

How'd the conversion happen? Partly by giving Christians preference for
government contracts and advancement.

Also by coercion.

Constantine made divination in public matters was punishable by burning to
death.

Pagan sacrifices were banned [341 AD].
Nocturnal pagan worship was forbidden [353 AD].
By mid-century, pagan temples were ordered closed.
In 356 AD worship of non-Christian images became a capital crime.

In 385 Christians tore the great and famous temple at Edessa to the ground,
and the praetorian prefect Cynegius' trip to Egypt was marked by Christians
rampaging around the pagan cities of Syria as vandalizing, looting mobs.

see  http://www.pocm.info/triumph_over_other_Christianities.html
monkfish - 21 Apr 2008 00:29 GMT
>>> The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation of
>>> earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think is
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E. (Paperback) by Ramsay MacMullen
> (Author),

Tell us all about it after you read the book, please.

We all use expressions we are familiar with
to express things we are not familiar with.
Christians must have adopted a lot of pagan expressions.
That was mighty generous of them, wouldn't you say?
No wonder they grew in numbers so rapidly.

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J A - 21 Apr 2008 01:16 GMT
>>>> The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation of
>>>> earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think is
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Tell us all about it after you read the book, please.

I read the book years ago, dimwit, you could read it yourself, but I doubt
that you could mentally grasp the truth of it.

Here's a little help for you in understanding your fraudulent cult.

The rising from the dead myth had been around long before jesus in
various Mediterranean religious cults. Similarly, virgin birth was an
unoriginal invention. As one example: Romulus and Remus, the founders
of Rome, were supposedly virgin births with the god Mars being the
father.

<snip>.
monkfish - 21 Apr 2008 02:21 GMT
>>>>> The jesus myth that we were all raised with, is just a compilation
>>>>> of earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> <snip>.

So what?
You are talking about your misunderstanding
of Christianity.

If you don't believe in God,
that means you have no idea what Christianity is.
Why do you keep on talking about something
you have no idea what it is?

What does it mean for you to believe in God?

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Roger Pearse - 21 Apr 2008 18:07 GMT
> "Mike" <m...@no.spam.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> LOL.   do you think there's documentation on why christmas is on Dec.25?

Um, you've just been asked for documentation for your claim.  This
(irrelevant) interjection does you no credit.

> > showing how the traditions slowly evolved with time and how other myths
> > were incorporated. No such documentation exists. So there is no support for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E. (Paperback)
> by Ramsay MacMullen (Author),

Argument by book, eh?  Let's see what documentation in support of
these silly claims is produced....

> A review:

Oh.  So not even the book; a paste of someone's opinions about it.
Whose, we are not told.

>       Concise, elegant, massively documented ... (flattery snipped)

> I think Stalin would find it grimly amusing reading, since it suggests that
> whatever success Christianity achieved was by fanaticism and violence.

This hate-claim is relevant to the claim above how?

> We start off with an account of how Christians systematically suppressed
> non-Christian works, ...

Since they did not, this isn't a good start.  How could an illegal
organisation do any such thing?

Again, this hate-claim is relevant to the claim above how?

>...as well as the "heretics" amongst themselves. We hear Eusebius, the
> first great Church historian, announce that it is not the duty to tell the
> whole truth but only what is of profit.

He did not; so another falsehood.

Yet again, this hate-claim is relevant to the claim above how?

> In this book we hear how the emperor Justinian ... (hate-libels snipped)

Who lived before AD 425, did he?

Yet, yet again, this hate-claim is relevant to the claim above how?

(etc)

None of which has any relevance.

So, when challenged for documentation, JA responds with a paste of
someone's opinion about some book, none of it relevant?

JA, you have some explaining to do.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
J A - 21 Apr 2008 21:24 GMT
> "Mike" <m...@no.spam.com> wrote in message
> > "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> LOL. do you think there's documentation on why christmas is on Dec.25?

>Um, you've just been asked for documentation for your claim.  This
>(irrelevant) interjection does you no credit.

LOL. They took over the Roman Saturnalia celebrations, you disingenuous
moron.

Here's a little background on it.

Encyclopædia Britannica:
The reason why Christmas came to be celebrated on December 25 remains
uncertain, but most probably the reason is that early Christians wished the
date to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the "birthday of the
unconquered sun" (natalis solis invicti); this festival celebrated the
winter solstice, when the days again begin to lengthen and the sun begins to
climb higher in the sky.

The traditional customs connected with Christmas
have accordingly developed from several sources as a result of the
coincidence of the celebration of the birth of Christ with the pagan
agricultural and solar observances at midwinter. In the Roman world the
Saturnalia (December 17) was a time of merrymaking and exchange of gifts.
December 25 was also regarded as the birth date of the Iranian mystery god
Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. On the Roman New Year (January 1), houses
were decorated with greenery and lights, and gifts were given to children
and the poor. To these observances were added the German and Celtic Yule
rites when the Teutonic tribes penetrated into Gaul, Britain, and central
Europe. Food and good fellowship, the Yule log and Yule cakes, greenery and
fir trees, and gifts and greetings all commemorated different aspects of
this festive season. Fires and lights, symbols of warmth and lasting life,
have always been associated with the winter festival, both pagan and
Christian. Since the European Middle Ages, evergreens, as symbols of
survival, have been associated with Christmas. Christmas is traditionally
regarded as the festival of the family and of children, under the name of
whose patron, Saint Nicholas
<eb://gateway/g?gtype=article_view&doc_name=core/05/71/23_1.html> (q.v.), or
Santa Claus, presents are exchanged in many countries.

> > showing how the traditions slowly evolved with time and how other myths
> > were incorporated. No such documentation exists. So there is no support
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E. (Paperback)
> by Ramsay MacMullen (Author),

>Argument by book, eh?  Let's see what documentation in support of
>these silly claims is produced....

Fool - you jesus supernaturalists argue from a myth book called the bible.
Once again your disingenuous arguments are childish.

"Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E."  by Ramsay MacMullen, is at least a
reliable book with abundant references.

Of course, you could make all this arguing immaterial and win your point
simply by having your supernatural beings appear to mankind, and prove their
unlimited powers.

When will you do that?

<snip further Pearse tripe>
monkfish - 21 Apr 2008 23:45 GMT
> Of course, you could make all this arguing immaterial and win your point
> simply by having your supernatural beings appear to mankind, and prove
> their unlimited powers.

God did.
Read all about it in the New Testament.

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Father Haskell - 22 Apr 2008 00:26 GMT
> > Of course, you could make all this arguing immaterial and win your point
> > simply by having your supernatural beings appear to mankind, and prove
> > their unlimited powers.
>
> God did.
> Read all about it in the New Testament.

Single account.
Roger Pearse - 22 Apr 2008 09:20 GMT
> > "Mike" <m...@no.spam.com> wrote in message
> > > "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> LOL. They took over the Roman Saturnalia celebrations, you disingenuous
> moron.

(Irrelevant paste snipped)

I smell a troll...

Atheists... no evidence, no manners and no shame.

Roger Pearse
DanielSan - 22 Apr 2008 13:29 GMT
>>> "Mike" <m...@no.spam.com> wrote in message
>>>> "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Atheists... no evidence,

For Saturnalia?

> no manners

You're posting to alt.atheism.  Where are you manners?

> and no shame.

So, you have no shame?

> Roger Pearse

Oh, right.  I forgot who I was talking to.
J A - 22 Apr 2008 22:58 GMT
On 21 Apr, 21:24, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> LOL. They took over the Roman Saturnalia celebrations, you disingenuous
> moron.

(Irrelevant paste snipped)

>I smell a troll...

You smell your own foul odor.

Again:

From Encyclopædia Britannica:

The reason why Christmas came to be celebrated on December 25 remains
uncertain, but most probably the reason is that early Christians wished the
date to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the "birthday of the
unconquered sun" (natalis solis invicti); this festival celebrated the
winter solstice, when the days again begin to lengthen and the sun begins to
climb higher in the sky.

The traditional customs connected with Christmas have accordingly developed
from several sources as a result of the coincidence of the celebration of
the birth of Christ with the pagan agricultural and solar observances at
midwinter. In the Roman world the Saturnalia (December 17) was a time of
merrymaking and exchange of gifts. December 25 was also regarded as the
birth date of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. On
the Roman New Year (January 1), houses were decorated with greenery and
lights, and gifts were given to children and the poor. To these observances
were added the German and Celtic Yule rites when the Teutonic tribes
penetrated into Gaul, Britain, and central Europe. Food and good fellowship,
the Yule log and Yule cakes, greenery and fir trees, and gifts and greetings
all commemorated different aspects of this festive season. Fires and lights,
symbols of warmth and lasting life, have always been associated with the
winter festival, both pagan and Christian. Since the European Middle Ages,
evergreens, as symbols of survival, have been associated with Christmas.
Christmas is traditionally regarded as the festival of the family and of
children, under the name of whose patron, Saint Nicholas
<eb://gateway/g?gtype=article_view&doc_name=core/05/71/23_1.html> (q.v.), or
Santa Claus, presents are exchanged in many countries.

For those wanting a full academic treatment on how christianity took over
existing pagan myths and celebrations see:

Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E. by Ramsay MacMullen , Yale University
Press

    Concise, elegant, massively documented and beautifully endnoted,
Ramsay MacMullen's book is a devastating account of the rise of Christianity
and the destruction of Paganism.

      With 85 pages of notes to 159 pages of text, with widespread use of
primary sources, archeological evidence and the secondary literature,
MacMullen's book is an exhaustive update of Gibbon for the present day. The
book consists of four chapters, those being Christian Persecution, the
losses of the Pagans, the rise of superstition and the assimilation of pagan
elements into Christian practice. I think Stalin would find it grimly
amusing reading, since it suggests that whatever success Christianity
achieved was by fanaticism and violence. We start off with an account of how
Christians systematically suppressed non-Christian works, as well as the
"heretics" amongst themselves. We hear Eusebius, the first great Church
historian, announce that it is not the duty to tell the whole truth but only
what is of profit. Students of the Russian Revolution will remember the
gruesome story of the child who informed on his "kulak" parents, was
murdered by his relatives, and became the hero of a gruesome cult. In this
book we hear how the emperor Justinian was moved to raptures on hearing of
how a Jewish boy convert survived being thrown into a furnace by his father.
Justinian learned how angels prevented the boy from being burned, and then
he had the father crucified.
     Persecution: MacMullen challenges those who argues that Christianity
was an improvement for women and slaves. Women did play some role in leading
Pagan cults, none at all in Christianity, and he tells how while a pagan
governor demanded the compensation for the family of a murdered prostitute,
Saint Jerome supported beheading for extramarital fornication. He discusses
how exorcisms, resurrections, and healings played a greater role in
conversions than sermons or reasoned argument. He discusses the increasingly
bloodthirsty demands of bishops, monks and imperial decrees as well as
pointing out the weaknesses of the bureaucratic machinery.

     Cost to the Persecuted: MacMullen notes how Constantine still claimed
a sort of divine status for himself and his father. He discusses the joyous
pagan festivals, including feasts, dancing, poetry orations and their long
presistence despite the opposition of the bishops (Augustine tried to argue
that giving friends presents was wicked). MacMullen also gives accounts of
pagans who thought idols had actual magical powers. He discusses the
destruction of pagan temples and shrines, as well as the cutting down of
sacred trees.

     Superstition: MacMullen discusses the shifiting attitude from the
rational world view of Pliny, Seneca and Plotinus and the increase in
credulity throughout the third and fourth centuries. MacMullen argues that
this was a result of changes in the elite as more vulgar and less literate
people increased their predominance. Whatever the merits of this thesis,
MacMullen points our the contempt prominent Christians such as Tertullian,
Augustine, Lactantius, Ambrose and John Chrysostom had for ancient
philosophy. They denounced Plato and Aristotle by name, and mocked the idea
of skeptical study and the scientific attitude. Nor did they stop there.
They told stories about appartitions over the battlefield, miraculous cures,
the everpresent existence of demons, people raised to life by Christians,
and dragons turned to dust by the sign of the cross.
monkfish - 23 Apr 2008 00:03 GMT
> Again:
>
> From Encyclopædia Britannica:

Theology is rather like mathematics;
you have to do your own homework to understand it.

I gather you don't believe in God;
and you think humans created gods for some reason.
How about science?

Did we create science?

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Trevor Cleaver - 23 Apr 2008 00:48 GMT
>> Again:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Did we create science?

Science evolved and so did the concept of one god.
J666 - 23 Apr 2008 01:08 GMT
> Science evolved and so did the concept of one god.

And science builds on a solid foundation of what was known before.

Science has explained many things once thought due to God(s) and may very
well contine to explain more and more - maybe even how it all started.
monkfish - 23 Apr 2008 01:29 GMT
>>> Again:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>
> Science evolved and so did the concept of one god.

That sounds about right.

In that case, what does it mean for someone
to believe that God created everything?

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Roger Pearse - 25 Apr 2008 22:47 GMT
> On 21 Apr, 21:24, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Again:
(troll repost snipped)

Funny how all the trolls are atheists.

Ciao, loser.

Roger Pearse
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Apr 2008 22:56 GMT
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted::
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Funny how all the trolls are atheists.

You have been having a written discourse with neither but rather with
satan's sockpuppets (corporeal demons):

http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets

of

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Crazysatan

> Ciao, loser.

He is that too:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Losersatan

is

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/ProofsByGOD
J A - 25 Apr 2008 23:15 GMT
>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>> > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted::
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> You have been having a written discourse with neither but rather with
> satan's sockpuppets (corporeal demons):

Once again you show what an empty vessel you are.

From Encyclopædia Britannica:

The reason why Christmas came to be celebrated on December 25 remains
uncertain, but most probably the reason is that early Christians wished the
date to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the "birthday of the
unconquered sun" (natalis solis invicti); this festival celebrated the
winter solstice, when the days again begin to lengthen and the sun begins to
climb higher in the sky.

The traditional customs connected with Christmas have accordingly developed
from several sources as a result of the coincidence of the celebration of
the birth of Christ with the pagan agricultural and solar observances at
midwinter. In the Roman world the Saturnalia (December 17) was a time of
merrymaking and exchange of gifts. December 25 was also regarded as the
birth date of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. On
the Roman New Year (January 1), houses were decorated with greenery and
lights, and gifts were given to children and the poor. To these observances
were added the German and Celtic Yule rites when the Teutonic tribes
penetrated into Gaul, Britain, and central Europe. Food and good fellowship,
the Yule log and Yule cakes, greenery and fir trees, and gifts and greetings
all commemorated different aspects of this festive season. Fires and lights,
symbols of warmth and lasting life, have always been associated with the
winter festival, both pagan and Christian. Since the European Middle Ages,
evergreens, as symbols of survival, have been associated with Christmas.
Christmas is traditionally regarded as the festival of the family and of
children, under the name of whose patron, Saint Nicholas
<eb://gateway/g?gtype=article_view&doc_name=core/05/71/23_1.html> (q.v.), or
Santa Claus, presents are exchanged in many countries.

For those wanting a full academic treatment on how christianity took over
existing pagan myths and celebrations see:

Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E. by Ramsay MacMullen , Yale University
Press

    Concise, elegant, massively documented and beautifully endnoted,
Ramsay MacMullen's book is a devastating account of the rise of Christianity
and the destruction of Paganism.

      With 85 pages of notes to 159 pages of text, with widespread use of
primary sources, archeological evidence and the secondary literature,
MacMullen's book is an exhaustive update of Gibbon for the present day. The
book consists of four chapters, those being Christian Persecution, the
losses of the Pagans, the rise of superstition and the assimilation of pagan
elements into Christian practice. I think Stalin would find it grimly
amusing reading, since it suggests that whatever success Christianity
achieved was by fanaticism and violence. We start off with an account of how
Christians systematically suppressed non-Christian works, as well as the
"heretics" amongst themselves. We hear Eusebius, the first great Church
historian, announce that it is not the duty to tell the whole truth but only
what is of profit. Students of the Russian Revolution will remember the
gruesome story of the child who informed on his "kulak" parents, was
murdered by his relatives, and became the hero of a gruesome cult. In this
book we hear how the emperor Justinian was moved to raptures on hearing of
how a Jewish boy convert survived being thrown into a furnace by his father.
Justinian learned how angels prevented the boy from being burned, and then
he had the father crucified.
     Persecution: MacMullen challenges those who argues that Christianity
was an improvement for women and slaves. Women did play some role in leading
Pagan cults, none at all in Christianity, and he tells how while a pagan
governor demanded the compensation for the family of a murdered prostitute,
Saint Jerome supported beheading for extramarital fornication. He discusses
how exorcisms, resurrections, and healings played a greater role in
conversions than sermons or reasoned argument. He discusses the increasingly
bloodthirsty demands of bishops, monks and imperial decrees as well as
pointing out the weaknesses of the bureaucratic machinery.

     Cost to the Persecuted: MacMullen notes how Constantine still claimed
a sort of divine status for himself and his father. He discusses the joyous
pagan festivals, including feasts, dancing, poetry orations and their long
presistence despite the opposition of the bishops (Augustine tried to argue
that giving friends presents was wicked). MacMullen also gives accounts of
pagans who thought idols had actual magical powers. He discusses the
destruction of pagan temples and shrines, as well as the cutting down of
sacred trees.

     Superstition: MacMullen discusses the shifiting attitude from the
rational world view of Pliny, Seneca and Plotinus and the increase in
credulity throughout the third and fourth centuries. MacMullen argues that
this was a result of changes in the elite as more vulgar and less literate
people increased their predominance. Whatever the merits of this thesis,
MacMullen points our the contempt prominent Christians such as Tertullian,
Augustine, Lactantius, Ambrose and John Chrysostom had for ancient
philosophy. They denounced Plato and Aristotle by name, and mocked the idea
of skeptical study and the scientific attitude. Nor did they stop there.
They told stories about appartitions over the battlefield, miraculous cures,
the everpresent existence of demons, people raised to life by Christians,
and dragons turned to dust by the sign of the cross.
J A - 25 Apr 2008 23:15 GMT
>> On 21 Apr, 21:24, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>> Again:
> (troll repost snipped)

The coward calls a logical reply based on totally credible sources, "abuse",
and resorts to running from it.

Here's what I said, and it stands:

You smell your own foul odor.

Again:

From Encyclopædia Britannica:

The reason why Christmas came to be celebrated on December 25 remains
uncertain, but most probably the reason is that early Christians wished the
date to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the "birthday of the
unconquered sun" (natalis solis invicti); this festival celebrated the
winter solstice, when the days again begin to lengthen and the sun begins to
climb higher in the sky.

The traditional customs connected with Christmas have accordingly developed
from several sources as a result of the coincidence of the celebration of
the birth of Christ with the pagan agricultural and solar observances at
midwinter. In the Roman world the Saturnalia (December 17) was a time of
merrymaking and exchange of gifts. December 25 was also regarded as the
birth date of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. On
the Roman New Year (January 1), houses were decorated with greenery and
lights, and gifts were given to children and the poor. To these observances
were added the German and Celtic Yule rites when the Teutonic tribes
penetrated into Gaul, Britain, and central Europe. Food and good fellowship,
the Yule log and Yule cakes, greenery and fir trees, and gifts and greetings
all commemorated different aspects of this festive season. Fires and lights,
symbols of warmth and lasting life, have always been associated with the
winter festival, both pagan and Christian. Since the European Middle Ages,
evergreens, as symbols of survival, have been associated with Christmas.
Christmas is traditionally regarded as the festival of the family and of
children, under the name of whose patron, Saint Nicholas
<eb://gateway/g?gtype=article_view&doc_name=core/05/71/23_1.html> (q.v.), or
Santa Claus, presents are exchanged in many countries.

For those wanting a full academic treatment on how christianity took over
existing pagan myths and celebrations see:

Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E. by Ramsay MacMullen , Yale University
Press

    Concise, elegant, massively documented and beautifully endnoted,
Ramsay MacMullen's book is a devastating account of the rise of Christianity
and the destruction of Paganism.

      With 85 pages of notes to 159 pages of text, with widespread use of
primary sources, archeological evidence and the secondary literature,
MacMullen's book is an exhaustive update of Gibbon for the present day. The
book consists of four chapters, those being Christian Persecution, the
losses of the Pagans, the rise of superstition and the assimilation of pagan
elements into Christian practice. I think Stalin would find it grimly
amusing reading, since it suggests that whatever success Christianity
achieved was by fanaticism and violence. We start off with an account of how
Christians systematically suppressed non-Christian works, as well as the
"heretics" amongst themselves. We hear Eusebius, the first great Church
historian, announce that it is not the duty to tell the whole truth but only
what is of profit. Students of the Russian Revolution will remember the
gruesome story of the child who informed on his "kulak" parents, was
murdered by his relatives, and became the hero of a gruesome cult. In this
book we hear how the emperor Justinian was moved to raptures on hearing of
how a Jewish boy convert survived being thrown into a furnace by his father.
Justinian learned how angels prevented the boy from being burned, and then
he had the father crucified.
     Persecution: MacMullen challenges those who argues that Christianity
was an improvement for women and slaves. Women did play some role in leading
Pagan cults, none at all in Christianity, and he tells how while a pagan
governor demanded the compensation for the family of a murdered prostitute,
Saint Jerome supported beheading for extramarital fornication. He discusses
how exorcisms, resurrections, and healings played a greater role in
conversions than sermons or reasoned argument. He discusses the increasingly
bloodthirsty demands of bishops, monks and imperial decrees as well as
pointing out the weaknesses of the bureaucratic machinery.

     Cost to the Persecuted: MacMullen notes how Constantine still claimed
a sort of divine status for himself and his father. He discusses the joyous
pagan festivals, including feasts, dancing, poetry orations and their long
presistence despite the opposition of the bishops (Augustine tried to argue
that giving friends presents was wicked). MacMullen also gives accounts of
pagans who thought idols had actual magical powers. He discusses the
destruction of pagan temples and shrines, as well as the cutting down of
sacred trees.

     Superstition: MacMullen discusses the shifiting attitude from the
rational world view of Pliny, Seneca and Plotinus and the increase in
credulity throughout the third and fourth centuries. MacMullen argues that
this was a result of changes in the elite as more vulgar and less literate
people increased their predominance. Whatever the merits of this thesis,
MacMullen points our the contempt prominent Christians such as Tertullian,
Augustine, Lactantius, Ambrose and John Chrysostom had for ancient
philosophy. They denounced Plato and Aristotle by name, and mocked the idea
of skeptical study and the scientific attitude. Nor did they stop there.
They told stories about appartitions over the battlefield, miraculous cures,
the everpresent existence of demons, people raised to life by Christians,
and dragons turned to dust by the sign of the cross.
monkfish - 25 Apr 2008 23:38 GMT
> The coward calls a logical reply based on totally credible sources,
> "abuse", and resorts to running from it.

You are almost always abusive
and not even aware of it.

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Roger Pearse - 26 Apr 2008 13:36 GMT
> > The coward calls a logical reply based on totally credible sources,
> > "abuse", and resorts to running from it.
>
> You are almost always abusive
> and not even aware of it.

I think he's aware of it.  Such behaviour is so endemic among the
atheists in alt.atheism that it indicates why atheism is hate-creed.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
J666 - 26 Apr 2008 13:47 GMT
> why atheism is hate-creed.

Simple generalized statements like the one above are the result of a simple
minded person.

Many religions espouse a lot more hatred of those who believe otherwise than
atheists do of those who believe.
Christopher A. Lee - 26 Apr 2008 14:14 GMT
>> why atheism is hate-creed.

Why Pearse is a viciously nasty bigot in addition to all the other
attributes he has shown like terminal dishonesty.

>Simple generalized statements like the one above are the result of a simple
>minded person.
>
>Many religions espouse a lot more hatred of those who believe otherwise than
>atheists do of those who believe.

By and large atheists simply want to get on with their own lives
without religious interference in them.
J666 - 26 Apr 2008 14:17 GMT
> By and large atheists simply want to get on with their own lives
> without religious interference in them.

Yes.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Apr 2008 14:35 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan
J666 - 26 Apr 2008 15:07 GMT
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 8:35:43 -0500, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote

> http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySatan
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/StupidSatan

This is four of them
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Apr 2008 15:36 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/GreatAssembly
monkfish - 26 Apr 2008 22:34 GMT
>>> why atheism is hate-creed.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> By and large atheists simply want to get on with their own lives without
> religious interference in them.

Not those atheists who post to Christian newsgroups.

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Phobos - 26 Apr 2008 22:40 GMT
>> By and large atheists simply want to get on with their own lives without
>> religious interference in them.
>
> Not those atheists who post to Christian newsgroups.

And not those Christians who post to atheist groups  -there you go again,
everything is black and white with no gray
monkfish - 27 Apr 2008 00:07 GMT
>>> By and large atheists simply want to get on with their own lives
>>> without religious interference in them.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> And not those Christians who post to atheist groups  -there you go
> again, everything is black and white with no gray

I have been telling Christians
not to bother atheists in their own newsgroup.

On the other hand,
Christians should welcome atheists in their newsgroups
so long as the visitors behave in a civilized manner,
simply because that would be the Christian thing to do.

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John Baker - 26 Apr 2008 14:28 GMT
>> why atheism is hate-creed.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Many religions espouse a lot more hatred of those who believe otherwise than
>atheists do of those who believe.

Roger has never been one to let the truth get in the way of his
version of it.
Christopher A. Lee - 26 Apr 2008 14:40 GMT
>>> why atheism is hate-creed.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Roger has never been one to let the truth get in the way of his
>version of it.

What is really pathetic is that if he had the sense to keep it to
himself nobody would realise it is bullshit.
monkfish - 26 Apr 2008 22:46 GMT
>>>> why atheism is hate-creed.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> What is really pathetic is that if he had the sense to keep it to
> himself nobody would realise it is bullshit.

Why are you acting like a member of a hate group?

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J A - 26 Apr 2008 16:05 GMT
>>> why atheism is hate-creed.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Roger has never been one to let the truth get in the way of his
> version of it.

He's not unique in that.

Living a lie, going through the mental gymnastics required to maintain it --  
all that has an effect on mental health and on the character.

You'll notice that many of them reject evolution, but still get their yearly
flu shots to deal with mutating viruses.
J666 - 26 Apr 2008 16:28 GMT
> You'll notice that many of them reject evolution, but still get their yearly
> flu shots to deal with mutating viruses.

Yes
monkfish - 26 Apr 2008 22:37 GMT
>>> why atheism is hate-creed.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Roger has never been one to let the truth get in the way of his version
> of it.

Are you trying to insinuate that
your version is better that his?
What kind of logical fallacy is that?

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Roger Pearse - 26 Apr 2008 18:08 GMT
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 7:36:49 -0500,Roger Pearsewrote
> (in message
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Simple generalized statements like the one above are the result of a simple
> minded person.

The tendency of atheists to assert as fact whatever they wish to
believe always amuses those of us who think for ourselves.  Think
before posting, little man.

> Many religions espouse a lot more hatred of those who believe otherwise than
> atheists do of those who believe.

If true of course that justifies the torrents of mindless, bitter,
dishonest hate found in alt.atheism?  Oh. It doesn't, does it?

As a matter of fact, looking online, I can think of no religious group
more focused on hate and with less positive content than the atheist
religious group.  They even boast about having no positive beliefs!!
"Atheism is just unbelief", they claim, when questioned about their
own belief-system, before swiftly changing the subject.

Anyone who disagrees with my assertion that atheists are the most
hateful religious group online gets to produce their preferred
candidates and prove that they are worse than atheists.  And, yes, I
have run across Orthodox Jewish hate-groups, and they aren't nearly as
incessant and determined.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
monkfish - 26 Apr 2008 22:58 GMT
>> > why atheism is hate-creed.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Roger Pearse

You might be correct.
They sure know how to be hateful.
Unless you can love your enemies
up close and personal,
stay away from alt.atheism, please.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Apr 2008 13:54 GMT
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I think he's aware of it.  Such behaviour is so endemic among the
> atheists in alt.atheism that it indicates why atheism is hate-creed.

Actually, satan is not an atheist...

... he only pretends to be one to fool both believers **and**
atheists.  Thus, he is:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Pretendersatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/GreatAssembly
DanielSan - 26 Apr 2008 17:12 GMT
>>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>>>> The coward calls a logical reply based on totally credible sources,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Actually, satan is not an atheist...

Right.  He believes in God.

Thankfully, I do not believe in either God or Satan (or any other
character from any religion.)
J666 - 26 Apr 2008 17:23 GMT
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:12:42 -0500, DanielSan wrote

>> Actually, satan is not an atheist...
>
> Right.  He believes in God.
>
> Thankfully, I do not believe in either God or Satan (or any other
> character from any religion.)

Can Satan die or become "born-again" or is Satan forever evil?
Darrell Stec - 26 Apr 2008 20:45 GMT
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:12:42 -0500, DanielSan wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Can Satan die or become "born-again" or is Satan forever evil?

Satan was a god according to scripture.  Therefore he can die if any of the
gods including El or Yahweh can die.  Apparently the Elohim were afraid
that once Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and
Evil that if they ate the fruit from the Tree of Everlasting Life, Adam and
Eve would become gods like them.  If the gods were not mortal, what did
they fear?  They were also afraid of men reaching heaven via the Tower of
Babel.

Notice however that it is Yahweh that calls his brother evil.  It is the
same Yahweh that says killing your neighbors if they are not Jews is not
only acceptable but rather required.  It is the same Yahweh that says the
children and non virgin women must also be killed along with the crops and
livestock of your non Jewish neighbors.  And this same Yahweh says that you
can rape the virgins and if you find that they are a good piece of a....
(nevermind) you are to marry them.  The same Yahweh thinks that Jews should
be murdered if they eat shellfish, or wear two different types of cloth at
the same time, or use the land for more than one type of crop.  So which
one do you think is really the evil one.

Early Christians struggled with this problem as did their contemporary
Jewish neighbors.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Apr 2008 17:50 GMT
satan via another sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Thankfully, I do not believe in either God or Satan (or any other
> character from any religion.)

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly demonstrate how you use delusions (making satan
equivalent to GOD) to keep your sockpuppets in the dark about your
control over them.

May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:

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DanielSan - 26 Apr 2008 17:55 GMT
> satan via another sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> equivalent to GOD) to keep your sockpuppets in the dark about your
> control over them.

1) Satan and God are characters in the Christian religion. I'll bet you
think that Xur and Centauri are equivalent, right?
2) I have sockpuppets?!  Why aren't I notified about these things?!  Who
are my sockpuppets?  I have something I want them to say.
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Darrell Stec - 26 Apr 2008 20:47 GMT
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> you to unwittingly demonstrate how you use delusions (making satan
> equivalent to GOD) to keep your sockpuppets in the dark about your
> control over them.

The bible says he WAS a god, a member of the Elohim, council of gods, sons
of god, and brother to Yahweh.  Who are you to contradict your own bible?

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Darrell Stec - 26 Apr 2008 20:37 GMT
>>>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>>>>> The coward calls a logical reply based on totally credible sources,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Right.  He believes in God.

Quite naturally.  According to the bible he was one, a member of the Elohim,
son of the Most High god El, Yahweh's brother and therefore Jesus' uncle.
He was a god as Frodo was a hobbit.


> Thankfully, I do not believe in either God or Satan (or any other
> character from any religion.)

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monkfish - 26 Apr 2008 23:37 GMT
>>>>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>>>>>> The coward calls a logical reply based on totally credible sources,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Elohim, son of the Most High god El, Yahweh's brother and therefore
> Jesus' uncle. He was a god as Frodo was a hobbit.

Stop playing with toys for toddlers.
Aren't you old enough to play with real things.

Do space-time exist before the big bang?
What does it mean for space-time to exist?

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weatherwax - 27 Apr 2008 01:16 GMT
> Do space-time exist before the big bang?
> What does it mean for space-time to exist?

First, do you know what space-time is?  Explain it.

I ask because I don't think you know what space-time is, and it would be a
waste of time explaining it to you.

--Wax
monkfish - 27 Apr 2008 02:02 GMT
>> Do space-time exist before the big bang? What does it mean for
>> space-time to exist?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> --Wax

I don't know what it is mathematically.
But I read philosophy of science for several years,
decades ago.
So I would say I have some ideas in common language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-time

How about you?
Do you think the top physicists agree on what it is?

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weatherwax - 27 Apr 2008 04:56 GMT
>>> Do space-time exist before the big bang? What does it mean for
>>> space-time to exist?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> How about you?
> Do you think the top physicists agree on what it is?

"Some ideas in common language"?
In other words:  You have absolutely no idea what space-time is.

And yes, scientists do know what space-time is.  It was worked out in
Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity which has been proven accurate to an
extremely high degree of reliability.  On the quantum level there is still
the question of whether spacetime is quantized or smooth, but that question
will eventually be worked out..

--Wax
J666 - 27 Apr 2008 05:19 GMT
> And yes, scientists do know what space-time is.  It was worked out in
> Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity which has been proven accurate to an
> extremely high degree of reliability.  On the quantum level there is still
> the question of whether spacetime is quantized or smooth, but that question
> will eventually be worked out..

An example of the scientific way of looking at the universe as to how it
works which may lead to how it all started and proceeded to where we are now
and perhaps give some idea to where we are going.
monkfish - 27 Apr 2008 05:48 GMT
>>>> Do space-time exist before the big bang? What does it mean for
>>>> space-time to exist?
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> --Wax

Are you trying to say you understand it mathematically?
Do you understand the Special Theory of Relativity as well?
Care to explain them in ordinary language?

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weatherwax - 27 Apr 2008 07:13 GMT
>  weatherwax wrote:
>>> weatherwax wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> Do you understand the Special Theory of Relativity as well?
> Care to explain them in ordinary language?

A reporter once asked Albert Einstein if he could explain the Theory of
Relativity in language that the average person would understand.

Einstein answered, "Yes, but YOU wouldn't understand it."

--Wax
J A - 27 Apr 2008 17:06 GMT
>>  weatherwax wrote:
>>>> weatherwax wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> Einstein answered, "Yes, but YOU wouldn't understand it."

Anybody who needs to cope with life by relying on imaginery supernatural
beings, isn't good candidate.
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monkfish - 27 Apr 2008 21:20 GMT
>>  weatherwax wrote:
>>>> weatherwax wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> --Wax

He actually wrote a book for lay people.
I'm pretty sure I understood his theory
in ordinary language when I read the book.

Do you understand it mathematically?

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Father Haskell - 27 Apr 2008 23:00 GMT
> >>  weatherwax wrote:
> >>>> weatherwax wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> I'm pretty sure I understood his theory
> in ordinary language when I read the book.

Then explain it.
Phobos - 27 Apr 2008 23:37 GMT
> Then explain it.

He most likely cannot and prefers to the appearance of knowledge which would
disappear if he had to answer all these questions.

Monkfish is not as good as Chung, and unlike Chung, monkfish better keep his
day job
Father Haskell - 28 Apr 2008 00:00 GMT
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:00:50 -0500, Father Haskell wrote
> (in message
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Monkfish is not as good as Chung, and unlike Chung, monkfish better keep his
> day job

So Monkfish is Grasshopper to Chung's Master Po?
monkfish - 28 Apr 2008 01:56 GMT
>> Then explain it.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Monkfish is not as good as Chung, and unlike Chung, monkfish better keep
> his day job

I'm not here to do philosophy of science.
Not interested in it anymore,
and probably too late to pick it up again
after decades of neglect.

Actually there are quite a few physicists
posting on a newsgroup.
You can ask them what it means
mathematically for time to exist.

My point is there are certain things
that it does not make sense to ask
what it means for them not to exist.
I have no idea what it means for time not to exist.
I have no idea what it means for space not to exist.
I have no idea what it means for numbers not to exist.
I have no idea what it means for logic not to exist.
I have no idea what it means for language not to exist.

What does it mean for God not to exist?

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monkfish - 28 Apr 2008 01:47 GMT
>> >>  weatherwax wrote:
>> >>>> weatherwax wrote:
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>
> Then explain it.

I don't wanna go there now.
There must be more than enough explanations
in plain English online.
Google it and read for yourself.

But I sure would love to talk to someone
who actually understand it mathematically.

I read in a magazine that
scientists are not even sure time actually exists.
I have no idea what it mean for time not to exist.

What does it mean for God not to exist?

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Teg_deffuts - 28 Apr 2008 04:52 GMT
>>>>>  weatherwax wrote:
>>>>>>> weatherwax wrote:
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>
> What does it mean for God not to exist?

About the same as Pegasus, used to be part of our myth, now gone, no change.
monkfish - 26 Apr 2008 22:51 GMT
>>>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>>>>> The coward calls a logical reply based on totally credible sources,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thankfully, I do not believe in either God or Satan (or any other
> character from any religion.)

Not even Muhammad or the Buddha?

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Roger Pearse - 28 Apr 2008 21:32 GMT
On 26 Apr, 13:54, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> friendRoger Pearsewrote:
> > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Pretendersatan

It is a common tactic by some Christian haters to post anti-Christian
invective commonly used by atheists, and when labelled as such to try
to muddy the waters by claiming "Oh I'm not an atheist", while keeping
conveniently silent as to what they *are*.  I find it unnecessary to
play along with this dodge.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Apr 2008 23:15 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> conveniently silent as to what they *are*.  I find it unnecessary to
> play along with this dodge.

What you are calling "some Christian haters," I know in the Holy
Spirit, to be satan and his children (sockpuppets).

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J A - 26 Apr 2008 16:05 GMT
>> > The coward calls a logical reply based on totally credible sources,
>> > "abuse", and resorts to running from it.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I think he's aware of it.  Such behaviour is so endemic among the
> atheists in alt.atheism that it indicates why atheism is hate-creed.

There's nothing wrong with telling a liar that he is a liar.

As anyone who goes up the thread a few posts to read what you posted can
see,  you brought your own foul odor along with your lies into this
exchange.

> All the best,
>
> Roger Pearse
Roger Pearse - 26 Apr 2008 17:57 GMT
> >> > The coward calls a logical reply based on totally credible sources,
> >> > "abuse", and resorts to running from it.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> There's nothing wrong with telling a liar that he is a liar.

Indeed so.  The problem is the atheist liars calling other people
liars.  They do, indeed, do nothing else.

> As anyone who goes up the thread a few posts to read what you posted can
> see,  you .. [abuse]

Smile.  Funny how all the atheists always claim it's the other guy;
and it never, ever, is.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
J A - 26 Apr 2008 18:43 GMT
On 26 Apr, 17:01, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> There's nothing wrong with telling a liar that he is a liar.

Indeed so.  The problem is the atheist liars calling other people
liars.  They do, indeed, do nothing else.
<

If your jesus myth is true, then produce him and have prove his existence
and powers.

When will you do that, dwarf?

> As anyone who goes up the thread a few posts to read what you posted can
> see, you .. [abuse]

Smile.  Funny how all the atheists always claim it's the other guy;
and it never, ever, is.
<

LOL. In the face of a systematic liar, all that needs to be done is display
some truth.
There are thousands of gods that have been worshipped by homo sapiens
in the past and present.
Start here: <http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/names/gods.htm>

Can you tell me which ones you believe in and which you don't, and
show the EVIDENCE for the existence of the ones you believe in?

Or, if you're stupid enough to think all god claims need to be
disproved by non-believers instead of PROVED by the believer - then
also give evidence for the non-existence of all the gods you don't
believe in.

Get busy, dwarf.

All the best  ;-))
Roger Pearse - 26 Apr 2008 19:44 GMT
> On 26 Apr, 17:01, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> If your jesus myth is true, then produce him and have prove his existence
> and powers.

Which Jesus myth might that be?  And why are you changing the
subject?  <smile>

> > As anyone who goes up the thread a few posts to read what you posted can
> > see, you .. [abuse]
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> LOL. In the face of a systematic liar, all that needs to be done is display
> some truth.

Well that rules you out immediately.

> There are thousands of gods that have been worshipped by homo sapiens
> in the past and present.

There are thousands of religious positions.  Funny how atheists don't
want theirs included.

> Can you tell me which ones you believe in and which you don't, and
> show the EVIDENCE for the existence of the ones you believe in?

Can you state your religious position -- conformity -- and produce
EVIDENCE for it?  Of course not.  All you can do is weasel, bitch, and
produce irrelevant rubbish like this.

If you had any shame, you wouldn't have to run away from discussing
atheism like this.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
J A - 26 Apr 2008 20:05 GMT
On 26 Apr, 19:42, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:

> > "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> If your jesus myth is true, then produce him and have prove his existence
> and powers.

Which Jesus myth might that be?  And why are you changing the
subject?  <smile>

The subject is "lying".

I'm not changing from it  - you're trying to.

You're also running from the question, again:

If your jesus myth is true, then produce him and have prove his existence
and powers.

Come on, answer.

> > As anyone who goes up the thread a few posts to read what you posted can
> > see, you .. [abuse]
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> display
> some truth.

Well that rules you out immediately.

> There are thousands of gods that have been worshipped by homo sapiens
> in the past and present.

There are thousands of religious positions.  Funny how atheists don't
want theirs included.

He can't answer honestly, so he wiggles around.

> Can you tell me which ones you believe in and which you don't, and
> show the EVIDENCE for the existence of the ones you believe in?

He can't answer honestly, so he wiggles around.

Can you state your religious position -- conformity -- and produce
EVIDENCE for it?

You lying coward.

My religious postion is that no body has ever been able to prove the
existence of supernatural beings.

That's plain and stright forward.

Of course not.  All you can do is weasel, bitch, and
produce irrelevant rubbish like this.
<

All the weaseling, bitching and irrelevant rubbish is coming from you, you
lying coward.

There's nothing irrelevant about asking for proof for supernatural beings
that have myths that people are supposed to base their lives and actions on.

If you had any shame, you wouldn't have to run away from discussing
atheism like this.
<

YOU'RE A LYING COWARD.

You're saying there is a "god", not me.

It's up to the person saying something exists, to prove it exists, not the
other way around.

Anybody can read up the thread and see you are running and lying like the
lying bitch you always show yourself to be.
Roger Pearse - 26 Apr 2008 22:13 GMT
> On 26 Apr, 19:42, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> The subject is "lying".

Illiteracy noted.  The subject is **atheists**, and their tendency to
lie.

Even if the subject was lying, just how would your demand relate to
it?

> > > As anyone who goes up the thread a few posts to read what you posted can
> > > see, you .. [abuse]
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> He can't answer honestly, so he wiggles around.

Um, there was no question; just a rather dishonest attempt to exclude
your religious position from discussion.  Which brings us back to
lying...

> > Can you tell me which ones you believe in and which you don't, and
> > show the EVIDENCE for the existence of the ones you believe in?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> You lying coward.

I'll take that as an abusive 'no'.  Funny how atheists rush to change
the subject when their own beliefs come up for discussion.

> My religious postion is that no body has ever been able to prove the
> existence of supernatural beings.

No, it isn't.  That's a statement about someone *else*'s position.
Yours isn't even discussed.

> That's plain and stright forward.

And irrelevant.  We're talking about atheism, here in alt.atheism, not
about some other views.

> Of course not.  All you can do is weasel, bitch, and
> produce irrelevant rubbish like this.
> <
>
> All the weaseling, bitching and irrelevant rubbish is coming from you, you
> lying coward.

Lie noted.  Every time we talk about atheism you change the subject.

> There's nothing irrelevant about asking for proof for supernatural beings...

There is, when we're talking about atheism and atheist lies.

> ...that have myths that people are supposed to base their lives and actions on.

Start talking about atheism, cupcake, and what YOU base your lives and
actions on, not about your dreary hate for other religious views.

> If you had any shame, you wouldn't have to run away from discussing
> atheism like this.
> <
>
> YOU'RE A LYING COWARD.

Still running, I see.

> You're saying there is a "god", not me.

Where?  I'm talking about atheism.  You're the one introducing
irrelevant views held by others.

> It's up to the person saying something exists, to prove it exists, not the
> other way around.

Indeed.  But you can't even get as far as a statement of the atheist
position that makes sense, or is anything but irrelevant
vituperation.  None of us give a damn what atheists don't believe in.
OK, you don't believe in fairies.  So what?  Tell us what you base
your life and actions on (and not just some bit of self-flattering
crap about 'reason').

> Anybody can read up the thread and see you are running and lying like the
> lying bitch you always show yourself to be.

Lie noted.  First you try to change the subject to theist beliefs, now
you try to change the subject to me.  Funny how embarassed atheists
are to talk about atheism.

Atheism, atheism, atheism.  That's the subject.  Now talk.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
J A - 26 Apr 2008 22:56 GMT
On 26 Apr, 21:03, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:

> > "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> >news:22608790-2755-4d05-850c-3e6c51a75db4@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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>
>> The subject is "lying".

>Illiteracy noted.  The subject is **atheists**, and their tendency to
>lie.

Again, you're a liar.

By the way, fool, here's the definition of atheism:    "disbelief in the
existence of deity".

>Even if the subject was lying, just how would your demand relate to
>it?

Good, we're making progress.

Very simple, as I stated before,  if your jesus myth is true, then produce
him and have prove his existence
and powers.

That will end any need for disagreements over religion.

An all powerful god obviously has the power to reveal itself to mankind, and
would have no fear of revealing itself to mankind.

> > > As anyone who goes up the thread a few posts to read what you posted
> > > can
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> > LOL. In the face of a systematic liar, all that needs to be done is
> > display some truth.

> Well that rules you out immediately.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> There are thousands of religious positions. Funny how atheists don't
> want theirs included.

>> He can't answer honestly, so he wiggles around.

>Um, there was no question; just a rather dishonest attempt to exclude
>your religious position from discussion.  Which brings us back to
>lying...

Moron, atheism says there are no supernatural beings.

Thats' what the construct of the word IS:  a - theism.

It's a position that Einstein took.
Albert Einstein: " it was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which has been systematically repeated. I do not believe
in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it
clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the
unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
can reveal it."

Albert Einstein: "the idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems
even naïve."

> > Can you tell me which ones you believe in and which you don't, and
> > show the EVIDENCE for the existence of the ones you believe in?
>
> Can you state your religious position -- conformity -- and produce
> EVIDENCE for it?

>> You lying coward.

>I'll take that as an abusive 'no'.  Funny how atheists rush to change
>the subject when their own beliefs come up for discussion.

It's not abuse.

It's a description of you, delivered after you repeatedly evasived avoided
my simple question, by posing a question containing a lie.

>> My religious postion is that no body has ever been able to prove the
>> existence of supernatural beings.

>No, it isn't.  That's a statement about someone *else*'s position.
>Yours isn't even discussed.

Again, the above statement above marks you as a liar and a coward.

I made a simple clear statement, you answered with confused evasive
language.

You are an example of what religion does to the mind and character.

>> That's plain and stright forward.

>And irrelevant.  We're talking about atheism, here in alt.atheism, not
>about some other views.

Moron, there are a 5 newsgroups included in this thread.

And you're trying to evade and change the subject from my simple initial
request:

If your jesus myth is true, then produce him and have prove his existence
and powers.

When will you do that, dwarf?

> Of course not. All you can do is weasel, bitch, and
> produce irrelevant rubbish like this.
> <

>> All the weaseling, bitching and irrelevant rubbish is coming from you,
>> you
>> lying coward.

>Lie noted.  Every time we talk about atheism you change the subject.

Do you think  people can't figure out that you're lying and evading?

>> There's nothing irrelevant about asking for proof for supernatural
>> beings...

>There is, when we're talking about atheism and atheist lies.

An atheist says there is no proof of gods.

Do you have such proof?

Each time I've told you to bring it forward, you have whined and tried to
change the subject.

You are pitiful.

>> ...that have myths that people are supposed to base their lives and
>> actions on.

>Start talking about atheism, cupcake, and what YOU base your lives and
>actions on, not about your dreary hate for other religious views.

I already have told you about atheism, you twat.

An atheist says there is no proof of gods.

>> If you had any shame, you wouldn't have to run away from discussing
>> atheism like this.
>> <

>> YOU'RE A LYING COWARD.

>Still running, I see.

I'm still describing you as a liar and a coward.

>> You're saying there is a "god", not me.

>>Where?  I'm talking about atheism.  You're the one introducing
>>irrelevant views held by others.

What you're doing for everybody to see, is showing that you are an evasive
liar.

>> It's up to the person saying something exists, to prove it exists, not
>> the
>> other way around.

Indeed.  But you can't even get as far as a statement of the atheist
position that makes sense,

An atheist says there is no proof of gods.

Everybody knwos that.

>> Anybody can read up the thread and see you are running and lying like the
>> lying bitch you always show yourself to be.

>Lie noted.  First you try to change the subject to theist beliefs, now
you try to change the subject to me.  Funny how embarassed atheists
>are to talk about atheism.

>Atheism, atheism, atheism.  That's the subject.  Now talk.

An atheist says there is no proof of gods.
An atheist says there is no proof of gods.
An atheist says there is no proof of gods.

Here twat:

If your jesus myth is true, then produce him and have prove his existence
and powers.
J666 - 26 Apr 2008 23:14 GMT
> And you're trying to evade and change the subject from my simple initial
> reques

That is what he does, though it it obvious and not done very well - maybe he
is a child trying to play grown-up
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J A - 27 Apr 2008 01:12 GMT
>> And you're trying to evade and change the subject from my simple initial
>> reques
>
> That is what he does, though it it obvious and not done very well - maybe
> he
> is a child trying to play grown-up

Yeh, or somebody with a very limited intellect,  doing an imitation of a
person good at debate, but failing in ways and tp degrees, that he can't
comprehend.

oh well.
Roger Pearse - 29 Apr 2008 20:20 GMT
> On 26 Apr, 19:42, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>
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>
> The subject is "lying".

Indeed it is.  So you changed the subject to 'is Christianity true'.

> I'm not changing from it  - you're trying to.

Lie noted.

> You're also running from the question... (second attempt to change subject snipped)

Impudence noted.

> > > As anyone who goes up the thread a few posts to read what you posted can
> > > see, you .. [abuse]
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>
> He can't answer honestly, so he wiggles around.

No answer?  I thought not.

> > Can you tell me which ones you believe in and which you don't, and
> > show the EVIDENCE for the existence of the ones you believe in?
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>
> You lying coward.

Abuse noted.

> My religious postion is that no body has ever been able to prove the
> existence of supernatural beings.

No, little man, that is not your religious position.  That is a
negative position about the beliefs of others.

> That's plain and stright forward.

And irrelevant.

> Of course not.  All you can do is weasel, bitch, and
> produce irrelevant rubbish like this.
> <

(tu quoque abuse snipped)

> There's nothing irrelevant about asking for proof for supernatural beings...

There is when we are discussing atheism, atheists, and their
willingness to lie.

> If you had any shame, you wouldn't have to run away from discussing
> atheism like this.
> <
>
> YOU'RE A LYING COWARD.

Irrelevant personal abuse noted.

> You're saying there is a "god", not me.

Where?  I'm talking about atheism, and lying.

> It's up to the person saying something exists, to prove it exists... (irrelevant stale slogans snipped)

You can't even state your belief system, never mind offer evidence for
it.

> Anybody can read up the thread and see you ...

Indeed.  What they won't see is you talking about atheism.  That's
because you can't.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Apr 2008 23:36 GMT
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> > YOU'RE A LYING COWARD.
>
> Irrelevant personal abuse noted.

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J666 - 25 Apr 2008 23:00 GMT
> I smell a troll...

Fee! Fie! Foe! Fum!??
I smell the blood of a Troll-man.
Be he Jesus, or be he Satan,
I'll grind his bones to make my manna.
J A - 25 Apr 2008 23:15 GMT
>> I smell a troll...
>
> Fee! Fie! Foe! Fum!??
> I smell the blood of a Troll-man.
> Be he Jesus, or be he Satan,
> I'll grind his bones to make my manna.

What a loser this Pearse is.

If he isn't throwing up phony arguments, he's claiming the Encyclopedia
Britannica and an academic history published by Yale university Press, are
"troll" sources.

What a contemptible twat.
monkfish - 25 Apr 2008 23:41 GMT
>>> I smell a troll...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> What a contemptible twat.

You don't even know what trolling is, do you?

You should be just posting at alt.atheism
and nowhere else.
You are plonked for a month at least.

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J A - 26 Apr 2008 00:21 GMT
>>>> I smell a troll...
>>>
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>
> You don't even know what trolling is, do you?

You're an example of a vacuous troll.
Father Haskell - 26 Apr 2008 02:40 GMT
> >>> I smell a troll...
>
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> and nowhere else.
> You are plonked for a month at least.

Wait until jesus hears you've given up on saving
JA.
monkfish - 26 Apr 2008 03:36 GMT
>> >>> I smell a troll...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Wait until jesus hears you've given up on saving JA.

He will be here.
Let's see how he does after reading me
for a full month.

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> > "Mike" <m...@no.spam.com> wrote in message
>
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> Argument by book, eh?  Let's see what documentation in support of
> these silly claims is produced....

ROFL! Where would you prefer historians publish the result of their
research, Roger? Fortune cookies? Sweepstakes tickets?

Seriously, you dig yourself deeper with every post you write. Go home,
Roger. No one believes you anymore.

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monkfish - 20 Apr 2008 23:54 GMT
>>> How many of the Celestial Chicken's chickens have given their life so
>>> man can
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> earlier myths that people are no longer aware of, and they think is
> describing some unique actual event (it's not).

Theistic understanding of God can be
difficult to understand for some modern people.
But, strangely they don't seem to have
much problem in believing in many other idols.

Isn't money powerful?
Do you believe in money?
Have you seen money recently?
What does it mean to believe in money?

Is it natural for money to earn interest?
Is your money working hard?
Will your money protect you?
Will money buy you happiness?
Do you talk to your money?
Do you ever listen to your money?

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J666 - 20 Apr 2008 16:43 GMT
> You mock because you don't understand the verses .......

It seems there are many contradictory verses in the Bible and many pick and
choose which verses to interpret so that it fits in with their thoughts.

So which interpretation is the correct one for these verse.
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 04:50 GMT
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:04:46 -0500, Machete wrote

> Yes but keep in mind that Mr. Shabbaz just got released from prison for
> strong armed robery, he's just done some hard time.  Being out on the open
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> business going again!  It may sound like a bum deal for Shabbaz, but he's
> actually excited about it!

Shabazz seems the best choice.
monkfish - 20 Apr 2008 05:25 GMT
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:04:46 -0500, Machete wrote
>
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>
> Shabazz seems the best choice.

Keep that up and sooner or later,
people will realize that
you deserve to be called a minion of Satan.

You are plonked for a month.

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monkfish - 20 Apr 2008 05:18 GMT
>>> >> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:43:29 -0500, Father Haskell wrote (in
>>> >> message
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> his pimp and drug business going again!  It may sound like a bum deal
> for Shabbaz, but he's actually excited about it!

What a waste of life!

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Machete - 20 Apr 2008 05:35 GMT
>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:44933c6c-00f4-4d2b-97ab-
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>
> What a waste of life!

Yeah but this is a chance for Mr. Shabbaz to do something good for humanity!
What, no more stupid questions?
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 05:46 GMT
> Yeah but this is a chance for Mr. Shabbaz to do something good for humanity!

Yes, Shabbazz is doing a mitzvah while others criticize him - makes you
wonder about the motives and lack of character of those criticizing him
monkfish - 20 Apr 2008 06:35 GMT
>>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:44933c6c-00f4-4d2b-97ab-
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> Yeah but this is a chance for Mr. Shabbaz to do something good for
> humanity! What, no more stupid questions?

Money is powerful.
There are many reasons for people to worship money.
But money is not a true god.
It's deceptive and destructive.

Instead of wasting your time,
you might as well ask yourself
what's wrong with money and
how such knowledge would help us find the real god.

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J666 - 20 Apr 2008 05:34 GMT
> It may sound like a bum deal for Shabbaz, but he's
> actually excited about it!

It is also such an homorable Sabbazz is doing to help Chung make the world
safe from bird flu.  After a wrong turn in life which led him to jail,
Shabbazz now seems to be doing the good and honorable and decent thing to do.

I understand in prison Shabbazz was Hatched Again and now believes in the
Celestial Chicken and His word in the Chible.

"You can always heat up again a nice piece of chicken" Chickie said in the
Chible in Book Pollo Redux 15:19
Machete - 20 Apr 2008 05:44 GMT
>> It may sound like a bum deal for Shabbaz, but he's
>> actually excited about it!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> "You can always heat up again a nice piece of chicken" Chickie said in the
> Chible in Book Pollo Redux 15:19

Perhaps he'll be able to convert and cure Chung??
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 05:54 GMT
> Perhaps he'll be able to convert and cure Chung??

Salvation is through the Celestial Chicken and even someone like Chung can be
hatched again.

"There will always be one more chicken." Tyson 14:19
Machete - 20 Apr 2008 06:32 GMT
>> Perhaps he'll be able to convert and cure Chung??
>
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>
> "There will always be one more chicken." Tyson 14:19

I still think Chung should get an MRI of the brain but since there is no
modern hosptial who will take him as a patient, I might have to arrange a
pneumoencephalogram (an X ray of the brain made by replacing spinal fluid
with a gas (usually oxygen) to improve contrast.) in China.  Very painful
and outdated procedure but we need to know what's going on inside Chung's
head.
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 16:17 GMT
> we need to know what's going on inside Chung's
> head.

Inside of Chung's skull may be the exception to the rule that nature abhors a
vacuum
Father Haskell - 21 Apr 2008 01:56 GMT
> > Perhaps he'll be able to convert and cure Chung??
>
> Salvation is through the Celestial Chicken and even someone like Chung can be
> hatched again.
>
> "There will always be one more chicken." Tyson 14:19

Jesus: 12 disciples.
KFC:  11 secret herbs an spices.
J666 - 21 Apr 2008 03:12 GMT
> Jesus: 12 disciples.
> KFC:  11 secret herbs an spices.

The last supper was roasted chicken.

Laus Pollo
J666 - 21 Apr 2008 03:35 GMT
>> Jesus: 12 disciples.
>> KFC:  11 secret herbs an spices.
>
> The last supper was roasted chicken.
>
> Laus Pollo

Notice the washing of the chicken from which Christianity stole washing of
the feet

SPECIAL ROAST CHICKEN FOR THE LAST SUPPER   

1 4-5 lb chicken
garlic and onion powder
paprika
salt and pepper
stuffing
butter

Wash bird well inside and out. Wipe dry with a paper towel. Stuff with
dressing. Truss and tie.

Brush with melted butter. Sprinkle chicken with salt, pepper, garlic powder,
onion powder, and finally, paprika. Place in oven at 325°F.

Roast, uncovered, breast side up. Keep turning and basting occasionally,
until chicken is browned evenly on all sides. Baste often for a moister bird.

Allow 30 minutes per pound of chicken or cook until breast meat reads 160°F
on an instant read thermometer.
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Father Haskell - 21 Apr 2008 05:34 GMT
> > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:56:14 -0500, Father Haskell wrote
> > (in message
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> Allow 30 minutes per pound of chicken or cook until breast meat reads 160°F
> on an instant read thermometer.

160 will give the supper guests the sh.ts for a week.
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Father Haskell - 21 Apr 2008 01:52 GMT
> >> >>> How about lemon juice?  He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and
> >> >>> get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time.
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> business going again!  It may sound like a bum deal for Shabbaz, but he's
> actually excited about it!

A good job report will look good to his future employers.
I think we can help the man out.
Machete - 20 Apr 2008 04:25 GMT
>> >>> How about lemon juice?  He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and
>> >>> get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> He so wanted a teak bar on that luxury appointed
> yacht that he was going to follow Chung with.

Perhaps this would be a better companion for Chung?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vF6PpP-pAcg&feature=related
Father Haskell - 21 Apr 2008 02:37 GMT
> >> >>> How about lemon juice?  He could shove a whole lemon up his butt, and
> >> >>> get his daily dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the same time.
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>
> Perhaps this would be a better companion for Chung?

She'd be the perfect coxswain to keep Andy on his
toes.
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J666 - 20 Apr 2008 01:27 GMT
> Well, at least that would shut him up so his mate doesn't have to listen to
> him.

Wouldn't that depend on who is his mate.  I could see where it might be good
for the mate to be bothered.

When you say mate, do you mean in the naval sense or the spousal sense?
Machete - 20 Apr 2008 02:09 GMT
>> Well, at least that would shut him up so his mate doesn't have to listen
>> to
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>
> When you say mate, do you mean in the naval sense or the spousal sense?

Naval.  I have assigned Mr. Shabbaz to ride with Chung across the Atlantic.
Several different reasons lead to this decision.  Mr. Shabbaz has knowledge
of sea travel and was in the Nazy for 4 weeks, he was kicked out for beating
up the Chaplin.  Despite that, and being a convicted felon who was just
realsed from Pelican Bay, he's the perfect man for the job.  Unfortunately
for Chung, he is Muslim and doesn't care for Christians.  Another
unfortunate aspect is that he is 6'7, 340 pounds, so he'll need a lot of
space.  I have promised him 40,000 dollars (plus addtional earning potential
for Chung's protection overseas.)  Chung of course, will be responsible for
his salary.
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 02:23 GMT
> Naval.  I have assigned Mr. Shabbaz to ride with Chung across the Atlantic.
> Several different reasons lead to this decision.  Mr. Shabbaz has knowledge
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> for Chung's protection overseas.)  Chung of course, will be responsible for
> his salary.

Makes a lot of sense as long as he is like a fish who takes to water.
Machete - 20 Apr 2008 03:50 GMT
>> Naval.  I have assigned Mr. Shabbaz to ride with Chung across the
>> Atlantic.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Makes a lot of sense as long as he is like a fish who takes to water.

Oh, he'll take to the water but it's unlikely that he'll take to Chung.
Could be some risks involved there for Andy, but hey, at least Chung has
some company although he's already stated that Chung is not allowed to speak
during the journey.
monkfish - 20 Apr 2008 03:57 GMT
>>> Naval.  I have assigned Mr. Shabbaz to ride with Chung across the
>>> Atlantic.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> some company although he's already stated that Chung is not allowed to
> speak during the journey.

Still playing with imaginary friends?

You can talk to me, dear.
I can really help you.

Have you been trying to carpet the world with leather?
Why don't you just wear your shoes, dear.

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J666 - 20 Apr 2008 04:48 GMT
> Oh, he'll take to the water but it's unlikely that he'll take to Chung.
> Could be some risks involved there for Andy, but hey, at least Chung has
> some company although he's already stated that Chung is not allowed to speak
> during the journey.

If Chung cannot talk, then Chung's mate needs to only talk to himself or be
the type of idiot who can only ask inane questions no one, even Chung, would
want to answer - sort of like white background noise.
Machete - 20 Apr 2008 01:08 GMT
>> > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 1:59:28 -0500, Father Haskell wrote
>> > (in message
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> dose of scurvy-preventing vitamin C at the
> same time.

Wouldn't a large orange accomplish the same thing?  It might be a bit more
painful for Chung but he's not allowed to take any medication.
J666 - 20 Apr 2008 01:13 GMT
> Wouldn't a large orange accomplish the same thing?  It might be a bit more
> painful for Chung but he's not allowed to take any medication.

A gragefruit is even larger.
monkfish - 20 Apr 2008 01:15 GMT
>> Wouldn't a large orange accomplish the same thing?  It might be a bit
>> more painful for Chung but he's not allowed to take any medication.
>>
> A gragefruit is even larger.

How about your head?

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Father Haskell - 20 Apr 2008 02:24 GMT
> >> Wouldn't a large orange accomplish the same thing?  It might be a bit
> >> more painful for Chung but he's not allowed to take any medication.
>
> > A gragefruit is even larger.
>
> How about your head?

You were supposed to say bald faced hornet's nest,
but thanks for playing.
monkfish - 20 Apr 2008 01:13 GMT
>>> >> Speaking of peridontal issues
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Wouldn't a large orange accomplish the same thing?  It might be a bit
> more painful for Chung but he's not allowed to take any medication.

Do you enjoy torturing yourself like this?

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Father Haskell - 20 Apr 2008 02:25 GMT
> >>> "J666" <j...@jmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> Do you enjoy torturing yourself like this?

Do you think being crucified gave jesus an orgasm?
J666 - 19 Apr 2008 13:42 GMT
Chung, the crazy dragon lived on the sea
And deluded in the autumn mist in a land called Sarah Lee,
Machete - 19 Apr 2008 14:27 GMT
>> >> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> stocking up on bread fruit.  Certainly there'll be
> ample breadfruit trees along his route?

Oh the possibilities!  Poor Chung, I'm afaid there is nothing that can
really be done from here on in except to provide him with some dog biscuits
(which Chung will be allowed to purchase) and a bucket in case he gets sea
sick.  I certainly don't want him polluting the waters and killing all the
fish.

Yes, you're right, there should be plenty of breadfruit trees all along his
route.  All Chung has to be is find them.  Oh, the only currency he'll be
allowed to carry is the RMB, so stopping along the way to purchase things
from locals might be difficult, not sure.  Hopefully the large plastic
chicken on the front of his boat, his 340 pound mate and his knowledge of
human anatomy will help his journey be a success.  In reality, it's like
traveling into space with no oxygen errr, I mean, going into a fist fight
with only one arm.
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 17:19 GMT
>>> >> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
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> reality, it's like traveling into space with no oxygen errr, I mean,
> going into a fist fight with only one arm.

Are you trolling?

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J666 - 18 Apr 2008 04:36 GMT
> Yeah, I don't imagine the Omer-Wanger would fair well against a tsunami of
> 40 or 50 feet.  I still haven't read a thanks for Chung for the 100HP motor,
> it will make it much easier on him physically and will cut his trip from
> 8-10 months to perhaps a month, if he makes it out of US waters, err, I
> mean, if he doesn't run out of gas.

Warning for Chung - wear a helmet as Chicken Little says the sky fall where
Chung will be.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 04:38 GMT
>> Yeah, I don't imagine the Omer-Wanger would fair well against a tsunami
>> of 40 or 50 feet.  I still haven't read a thanks for Chung for the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Warning for Chung - wear a helmet as Chicken Little says the sky fall
> where Chung will be.

Too late.
It's sitting on you.

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>> Yeah, I don't imagine the Omer-Wanger would fair well against a tsunami
>> of
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> where
> Chung will be.

Chung boat has been fitted with a large plastic chicken to pay homage to the
Chicken of the Sea who will ultimately decide Chung's fate.  I figured it's
the least I could do considering his odds are no more than 1/5000.
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http://omerwanger/iceberg/laughingchicken

I've installed a throttle for your engine Wanger, lay into that
motherf..ker, get that wooden piece of sh.t up to about 50MPH and you'll be
in China before you know it, now get some sleep Captain w.nker.  Your're
obviously experiencing a manic episode as you've posted thousands of times
in the last few days and haven't been to bed in a week.
J666 - 18 Apr 2008 13:13 GMT
> http://omerwanger/iceberg/laughingchicken

Wonder if Chung will take any iceberg lettuce on the trip if he wants a
sliced chicken sandwich.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 18:06 GMT
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
>>
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> thousands of times in the last few days and haven't been to bed in a
> week.

Try to have some good thoughts about other people.

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J666 - 18 Apr 2008 13:11 GMT
> Chung boat has been fitted with a large plastic chicken to pay homage to the
> Chicken of the Sea who will ultimately decide Chung's fate.  I figured it's
> the least I could do considering his odds are no more than 1/5000.

Is it one of the plastic ones with a head that will bobble around and move
with the waves and might make Chung seasick.
Machete - 18 Apr 2008 18:08 GMT
>> Chung boat has been fitted with a large plastic chicken to pay homage to
>> the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Is it one of the plastic ones with a head that will bobble around and move
> with the waves and might make Chung seasick.

Oh well, he'll be over it in a week or so, no big deal.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 17:57 GMT
>>> Yeah, I don't imagine the Omer-Wanger would fair well against a
>>> tsunami of
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> figured it's the least I could do considering his odds are no more than
> 1/5000.

With God or without God?
Do we invent God or find God?

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>>>> Yeah, I don't imagine the Omer-Wanger would fair well against a
>>>> tsunami of
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> With God or without God?
> Do we invent God or find God?

You posted a question about sanity the other day, think about that for a
while and then check into your nearest detox/mental health facility.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 22:00 GMT
>>>>> Yeah, I don't imagine the Omer-Wanger would fair well against a
>>>>> tsunami of
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> You posted a question about sanity the other day, think about that for a
> while and then check into your nearest detox/mental health facility.

I might if you can prove to me
that sanity even exists.

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monkfish - 17 Apr 2008 16:39 GMT
> Bugger me, iceberg right ahead!

Is this the best use of your time?

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Machete - 17 Apr 2008 17:12 GMT
>> Bugger me, iceberg right ahead!
>
> Is this the best use of your time?

Asking me question like "can I show you what love is" certainly point in
that direction.  My advice would be to find people who are into roughing it
rather than wasting 18 hours a day with Wanger here on the net.
monkfish - 17 Apr 2008 17:25 GMT
>>> Bugger me, iceberg right ahead!
>>
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> that direction.  My advice would be to find people who are into roughing
> it rather than wasting 18 hours a day with Wanger here on the net.

You first.

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Machete - 18 Apr 2008 02:19 GMT
>>>> Bugger me, iceberg right ahead!
>>>
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>
> You first.

Such a foolish statement, you are the one that asked if I wanted to know
what love was.  A bit unseemly for one man to be asking another, don't ya
think?
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 02:37 GMT
>>>>> Bugger me, iceberg right ahead!
>>>>>
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> what love was.  A bit unseemly for one man to be asking another, don't
> ya think?

Is language prior to humans?

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Machete - 18 Apr 2008 04:13 GMT
>>>>>> Bugger me, iceberg right ahead!
>>>>>>
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>
> Is language prior to humans?

Does the average man take a dump on the morning, in the evening, or both?
J666 - 18 Apr 2008 04:30 GMT
> Does the average man take a dump on the morning, in the evening, or both?

The a.sholes who need an oral surgeon to take care of their anal problems,
will sometime dump crap all day long as we have been seeing with muckcrap and
Chinga.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 04:33 GMT
>> Does the average man take a dump on the morning, in the evening, or
>> both?
>
> The a.sholes who need an oral surgeon to take care of their anal
> problems, will sometime dump crap all day long as we have been seeing
> with muckcrap and Chinga.

You really should smell your own posts.

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Machete - 18 Apr 2008 06:37 GMT
>>> Does the average man take a dump on the morning, in the evening, or
>>> both?
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>
> You really should smell your own posts.

One who peals paint off the walls with his own excremental verbiage should
not judge others.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 17:54 GMT
>>>> Does the average man take a dump on the morning, in the evening, or
>>>> both?
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> One who peals paint off the walls with his own excremental verbiage
> should not judge others.

Better open a window
into your mind.

Is language prior to humans?
Do we invent language or find it?

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Machete - 18 Apr 2008 20:49 GMT
>>>>> Does the average man take a dump on the morning, in the evening, or
>>>>> both?
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> Is language prior to humans?
> Do we invent language or find it?

Wormholes are fun.
J666 - 18 Apr 2008 20:57 GMT
> Wormholes are fun.

a.sholes, like the Assinity, are also fun to mock and they really do make it
very easy.
Machete - 18 Apr 2008 21:10 GMT
>> Wormholes are fun.
>
> a.sholes, like the Assinity, are also fun to mock and they really do make
> it
> very easy.

A decent wormhole could make an a.shole disappear though.  Fishdick would
make the perfect candiate for experimental space travel.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 22:02 GMT
>> Wormholes are fun.
>
> a.sholes, like the Assinity, are also fun to mock and they really do
> make it very easy.

Are you mocking someone day and night?
Is that good for your mental health?

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monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 21:58 GMT
>>>>>> Does the average man take a dump on the morning, in the evening, or
>>>>>> both?
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>
> Wormholes are fun.

If language is too difficult,
let's start with money.
We all know what it is, don't we?

Did humans create money?

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Machete - 18 Apr 2008 06:33 GMT
>> Does the average man take a dump on the morning, in the evening, or both?
>
> The a.sholes who need an oral surgeon to take care of their anal problems,
> will sometime dump crap all day long as we have been seeing with muckcrap
> and
> Chinga.

Stinkfish is bilingual, he is capable of speaking out of his a.s and his
mouth.  Unfortunately, he speaks out of his a.s the vast majority (about 98
percent) of the time.  Chung is not bilingual, he is only capable of
speaking directly out of his a.s and this is not something that could
possibly be cured by an oral surgeon, even the best oral surgeon would throw
his hands in the air after examining Chung for a few minutes.  LMFAO though,
funnny J666.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 17:51 GMT
>>> Does the average man take a dump on the morning, in the evening, or
>>> both?
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> throw his hands in the air after examining Chung for a few minutes.
> LMFAO though, funnny J666.

Still clueless?

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Machete - 13 Apr 2008 17:20 GMT
> Here, Andy, you'll need a map of the Pacific to
> get yourself to China:
>
> http://files.meetup.com/238907/middle%20earth%20map%20wallpaper.jpg

I've actually dsigned my own map for Chung, will keep out shipping lanes and
things of that nature though, we want this to be a difficult voyage for
Chung, a confidence builder!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 14 Apr 2008 04:38 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
Father Haskell - 14 Apr 2008 07:21 GMT
> > Here, Andy, you'll need a map of the Pacific to
> > get yourself to China:
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> things of that nature though, we want this to be a difficult voyage for
> Chung, a confidence builder!

Label everything in Cyrillic, no sense doing it half-assed.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 14 Apr 2008 11:12 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan
Father Haskell - 14 Apr 2008 22:31 GMT
On Apr 14, 6:12 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan

You could get hopelessly marooned at sea and learn
Russian at the same time.  This doesn't appeal
to you?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 15 Apr 2008 01:28 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan
Machete - 15 Apr 2008 06:20 GMT
A Cardiologist who wasted his life away, sad story.
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan 
Machete - 15 Apr 2008 05:08 GMT
>> > Here, Andy, you'll need a map of the Pacific to
>> > get yourself to China:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Label everything in Cyrillic, no sense doing it half-assed.

The 10th century version, apparently used to write old church slavonic.
Chung should appreciate this although with his ungrateful attitude lately, I
should label everything in braille.
Father Haskell - 15 Apr 2008 05:18 GMT
> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
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> Chung should appreciate this although with his ungrateful attitude lately, I
> should label everything in braille.

In anagram form, to give him something to kill the
boredom.
Machete - 15 Apr 2008 06:17 GMT
>> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
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> In anagram form, to give him something to kill the
> boredom.

Gee, hopefully he won't get slammed into by some huge ship as he crosses
over shipping lanes.  Perhaps I should provide some signal flares, the old
cheap kind that tend to set your skin and clothes on fire.  Hey, this is
getting expensive!
Father Haskell - 15 Apr 2008 06:55 GMT
> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
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> Gee, hopefully he won't get slammed into by some huge ship as he crosses
> over shipping lanes.

Exxon *did* fire Joe Hazelwood.

Didn't they?

> Perhaps I should provide some signal flares, the old
> cheap kind that tend to set your skin and clothes on fire.  Hey, this is
> getting expensive!

Andy would be visible for miles if he caught fire.  No
need for flares.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 15 Apr 2008 10:01 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan
J666 - 15 Apr 2008 16:35 GMT
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan

Do  not be a fool and order our special Chicken and Egg Recipe Book which has
a special section about simple chicken and egg meals when at sea.

Remember, cavier is fish eggs and wonderful (formerly good) for you

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryChickenCoop.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of Chicken ala King
http://HeartMDPhD.com/CelestialChicken

In the name of the Chicken, the Chickie and the Fried Egg,

The managament of OAF

Andrew B. Chungkin, Deputy Disciple
Father Haskell - 16 Apr 2008 20:55 GMT
On Apr 15, 5:01 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan

That bottle of used sump oil isn't there for cooking.
J666 - 15 Apr 2008 13:10 GMT
> Andy would be visible for miles if he caught fire.  No
> need for flares.

Chung flambe?
Father Haskell - 15 Apr 2008 23:27 GMT
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 0:55:11 -0500, Father Haskell wrote
> (in message
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>
> Chung flambe?

The Chung-shaped beacon.
J666 - 15 Apr 2008 23:37 GMT
>> Chung flambe?
>
> The Chung-shaped beacon.

Yes, a beacon warning others to stay away
Father Haskell - 15 Apr 2008 23:55 GMT
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:27:42 -0500, Father Haskell wrote
> (in message
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>
> Yes, a beacon warning others to stay away

Food for the seagulls once it cools down.
J666 - 16 Apr 2008 00:01 GMT
>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:27:42 -0500, Father Haskell wrote
>> (in message
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>
> Food for the seagulls once it cools down.

Deep fried McChungs for the seagulls???
Father Haskell - 16 Apr 2008 00:08 GMT
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:55:39 -0500, Father Haskell wrote
> (in message
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>
> Deep fried McChungs for the seagulls???

They're not picky.  They normally eat garbage.
J666 - 16 Apr 2008 03:47 GMT
>>>>>> Chung flambe?
>>
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>
> They're not picky.  They normally eat garbage.

yes, and this is not different.

As in the saying, garbage ... in garbage out since most of what comes out of
Chung is garbage, there must have been a lot of garbage coming in and so must
be full of garbage.
Machete - 17 Apr 2008 17:21 GMT
>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:55:39 -0500, Father Haskell wrote
>> (in message
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> They're not picky.  They normally eat garbage.

Birds are creatures of habit, in this case, not much of a change in terms of
diet as they normally eat garbage anyway.
J666 - 15 Apr 2008 13:08 GMT
> Gee, hopefully he won't get slammed into by some huge ship as he crosses
> over shipping lanes.  Perhaps I should provide some signal flares, the old
> cheap kind that tend to set your skin and clothes on fire.  Hey, this is
> getting expensive!

I am sure the Celestial Chicken will protect Chung so we must EGG Chung on
even though Chung's brain may be like scrambled EGGS. So we all need to keep
a sunny-side up disposition when dealing with Chung and his upcoming ocean
adventure.
Machete - 15 Apr 2008 15:17 GMT
>> Gee, hopefully he won't get slammed into by some huge ship as he crosses
>> over shipping lanes.  Perhaps I should provide some signal flares, the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> a sunny-side up disposition when dealing with Chung and his upcoming ocean
> adventure.

Chung should be getting an MRI of the brain before he emkarks on this
journey.  My guess is that they will find large amounts of iridium deposits.
J666 - 15 Apr 2008 16:13 GMT
> Chung should be getting an MRI of the brain before he emkarks on this
> journey.  My guess is that they will find large amounts of iridium deposits.

Or scrambled eggs
Machete - 16 Apr 2008 00:43 GMT
>> Chung should be getting an MRI of the brain before he emkarks on this
>> journey.  My guess is that they will find large amounts of iridium
>> deposits.
>
> Or scrambled eggs

Maybe in the lateral part of the brain.
J666 - 16 Apr 2008 03:50 GMT
>>> Chung should be getting an MRI of the brain before he emkarks on this
>>> journey.  My guess is that they will find large amounts of iridium
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>
> Maybe in the lateral part of the brain.

Of course there are those whose brain is hard boiled.
Machete - 16 Apr 2008 04:46 GMT
>>>> Chung should be getting an MRI of the brain before he emkarks on this
>>>> journey.  My guess is that they will find large amounts of iridium
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Of course there are those whose brain is hard boiled.

Chung is a good example of someone who truly has a hard head.  I suspect a
large deposit of iridium in his brain, a very dense element dating back 65
million years.  This would explain a lot about Chung's personality.
 
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