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Daily Spirit-guided thought for 04/11/08.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 11 Apr 2008 09:13 GMT
http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/111316.html

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
J A - 11 Apr 2008 16:00 GMT
> http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/111316.html

Yahweh setting out the rules for Jews owning slaves:
Leviticus 25:44-46 "Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt
have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy
bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do
sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with
you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And
ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit
them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your
brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with
rigour."

Albert Einstein quote:

" it was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a
lie which has been systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal
God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something
is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration
for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Albert Einstein: "the idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems
even naïve."
monkfish - 11 Apr 2008 23:22 GMT
> Albert Einstein: "the idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and
> seems even naïve."

That's how it's supposed to be
before you get to know God.

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J A - 12 Apr 2008 00:36 GMT
>> Albert Einstein: "the idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and
>> seems even naïve."
>
> That's how it's supposed to be
> before you get to know God.

If you know him so well, have him show himself and prove his powers.

Let's see if you can do that.

And quit screwing witht he newsgroup address line, you little turd fish.
monkfish - 12 Apr 2008 00:46 GMT
>>> Albert Einstein: "the idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and
>>> seems even naïve."
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> And quit screwing witht he newsgroup address line, you little turd fish.

You seem to be clueless about the Usenet as well.
Stop crossposting so much, dear.

BTW you are getting my replies
purely by the love and compassion of God.

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J A - 12 Apr 2008 14:47 GMT
>>>> Albert Einstein: "the idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and
>>>> seems even naïve."
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
>> And quit screwing witht he newsgroup address line, you little turd fish.

> You seem to be clueless about the Usenet as well.
> Stop crossposting so much, dear.

Dear?  In addition to all your other problems, are you a queer?

I notice you're too gutless to answer my challenge:  If you know [god] so
well, have him show himself and prove his powers.

> BTW you are getting my replies
> purely by the love and compassion of God.

Bullshit - I'm getting your dissolute pseudo replies via the internet.

Morons like who ascribe things to the "love and compassion of God" should
get it into your pinheads that means he's also responsible for disease,
wars, plagues, birth defects etc.

The more you post, the stupider you look.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 14:48 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flounderingsatan

is still

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Deadsatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/ProofsByGOD
J A - 12 Apr 2008 16:12 GMT
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flounderingsatan
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/ProofsByGOD

You have to conjure up "demons" and "satans", and then pretend they're fools
and you've defeated them...
J666 - 12 Apr 2008 16:21 GMT
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flounderingsatan
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> You have to conjure up "demons" and "satans", and then pretend they're fools
> and you've defeated them...

Because in dealing in the real world with real people, Chung has been a
complete and total failure - family, friends and profession.
monkfish - 12 Apr 2008 18:42 GMT
> Because in dealing in the real world with real people, Chung has been a
> complete and total failure - family, friends and profession.

What a strange thing to say.
How about you?

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 17:29 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Defeatssatan
J A - 12 Apr 2008 18:13 GMT
monkfish - 12 Apr 2008 18:14 GMT
> I notice you're too gutless to answer my challenge:  If you know [god]
> so well, have him show himself and prove his powers.

You are still clueless about what God is.
God is invisible, dear.

Is money visible to you?

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J A - 12 Apr 2008 19:00 GMT
>> I notice you're too gutless to answer my challenge:  If you know [god]
>> so well, have him show himself and prove his powers.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Is money visible to you?

Do you ever say anything meaningful?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 19:02 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flounderingsatan
J A - 15 Apr 2008 01:20 GMT
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Floundering ChungDemon
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 15 Apr 2008 01:19 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flailingsatan
J A - 15 Apr 2008 02:02 GMT
J666 - 12 Apr 2008 19:32 GMT
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:56:29 -0500, J A wrote

> Do you ever say anything meaningful?

Nothing meaningful if referring to intelligent discourse by Whyfish, but yes
to meaningful if referring to mean and nasty.
monkfish - 12 Apr 2008 19:37 GMT
> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:56:29 -0500, J A wrote
>
>> Do you ever say anything meaningful?
>
> Nothing meaningful if referring to intelligent discourse by Whyfish, but
> yes to meaningful if referring to mean and nasty.

You don't evn know what meaningfulness means, do you?
What does it mean for sentences to be meaningful?

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monkfish - 12 Apr 2008 19:34 GMT
>>> I notice you're too gutless to answer my challenge:  If you know [god]
>>> so well, have him show himself and prove his powers.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Do you ever say anything meaningful?

Do you even know what meaningfulness is?
Does it even exist?
How do you prove that meaningfulness exists?

Clueless?

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J A - 12 Apr 2008 19:49 GMT
>>>> I notice you're too gutless to answer my challenge:  If you know [god]
>>>> so well, have him show himself and prove his powers.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Does it even exist?
> How do you prove that meaningfulness exists?

What is the meaning of the fearfulness that causes you to alter the
newsgroup addresses?
J666 - 12 Apr 2008 20:02 GMT
> What is the meaning of the fearfulness that causes you to alter the
> newsgroup addresses?

It seems Chung only gives us statements about meanings and whyfish only gives
us questions about meaning - I am a little surprised that whyfish knows so
little and always has to ask questions.  Of course it takes very little
thinking to respond to a statement with a question.

Statement (S)  The sky blue
Question (S) Do you understand the sky? What is the meaning of blue?

S - I like bananas
Q - Do you have any clue about what are bananas?  Does like exist?

S - Whyfish asks inane repetitive questions.
Q - Why are you so cruel?  Do you know what questions are.
monkfish - 12 Apr 2008 20:12 GMT
>> What is the meaning of the fearfulness that causes you to alter the
>> newsgroup addresses?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> S - Whyfish asks inane repetitive questions. Q - Why are you so cruel?
> Do you know what questions are.

God is the ultimate point of reference.
Or God is the ground of all being.

Which one do you like better?

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monkfish - 12 Apr 2008 20:14 GMT
>>>>> I notice you're too gutless to answer my challenge:  If you know
>>>>> [god] so well, have him show himself and prove his powers.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> What is the meaning of the fearfulness that causes you to alter the
> newsgroup addresses?

I don't like crossposting.
You are supposed to set the followup-to header
as much as possible;
unless of course you are trolling.

Did we humans create language?

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 20:44 GMT
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>
> > What is the meaning of the fearfulness that causes you to alter the
> > newsgroup addresses?
>
> I don't like crossposting.

What you should be doing is what HE desires even if you do not like
it.

You remind me of Jonah who did not like delivering GOD's message to
Nineveh.

In the Holy Spirit, there is no fear.

"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden.
Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they
put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In
the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your
good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." -- LORD Jesus Christ
(Matthew 5:14-16)

Amen.

Laus Deo ! ! !

http://HeartMDPhD.com/LausDeo

May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a
blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
Christ as the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
monkfish - 12 Apr 2008 20:55 GMT
>> I don't like crossposting.
>
> What you should be doing is what HE desires even if you do not like it.
>
> You remind me of Jonah who did not like delivering GOD's message to
> Nineveh.

I'm kind of surprised to see that
people are still replying to you.
Even I don't read much of your posts.

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Phobos - 12 Apr 2008 21:16 GMT
>>> I don't like crossposting.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> people are still replying to you.
> Even I don't read much of your posts.

You are jealous - far more respond to Chung than you - you need new material
if you want to be in prime time.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2008 21:20 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I'm kind of surprised to see that
> people are still replying to you.

That would be to GOD's glory and not mine.

> Even I don't read much of your posts.

That would also be to GOD's glory...

... and definitely not yours.

Laus Deo ! ! !

http://HeartMDPhD.com/LausDeo

May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a
blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
Christ as the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
J A - 12 Apr 2008 21:41 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> I'm kind of surprised to see that
>> people are still replying to you.

> That would be to GOD's glory and not mine.

LOL.

Two nuts vying for status in their groveling to nonexistent supernatural
beings....

There was a scientific test conducted to see if prayer could help people
recovering from heart surgery. The results were reported in the American
heart Journal, April 2006. There was no difference between those patients
who were prayed for and those who were not. There was a difference between
those who knew they had been prayed for and those who did not. Those who
knew they had been prayed for were worse off by having significantly more
complications than those who did not know that they had been prayed for.
J666 - 12 Apr 2008 21:54 GMT
> LOL.
>
> Two nuts vying for status in their groveling to nonexistent supernatural
> beings....

A lover's spat.  Should make for an interesting trip for Chung if whyfish
goes along as ballast or to be used for trolling for sharks
monkfish - 12 Apr 2008 22:05 GMT
>> LOL.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> A lover's spat.  Should make for an interesting trip for Chung if
> whyfish goes along as ballast or to be used for trolling for sharks

Be grateful for everything.

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monkfish - 12 Apr 2008 22:00 GMT
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc18@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
> message

news:2af3f536-35f9-43a0-82d8-2a1837686422@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> having significantly more complications than those who did not know that
> they had been prayed for.

Were they trying to order God around?
Incredible people.
Probably because they were clueless about what God is.
How about you?

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J A - 12 Apr 2008 22:29 GMT
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc18@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
>> message
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>> having significantly more complications than those who did not know that
>> they had been prayed for.

> Were they trying to order God around?

Which god(s)?

There are thousands of gods that have been worshipped by homo sapiens
in the past and present.
Start here: <http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/names/gods.htm>
Can you tell me which ones you believe in and which you don't, and
show the EVIDENCE for the existence of the ones you believe in?

Or, if you're stupid enough to think all god claims need to be
disproved by non-believers instead of PROVED by the believer - then
also give evidence for the non-existence of all the gods you don't
believe in.

And hurry it up MonkeyCarp, we're all on pins and needles waiting for more
of your hackneyed insights.
monkfish - 12 Apr 2008 22:43 GMT
>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc18@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
>>> message

news:2af3f536-35f9-43a0-82d8-2a1837686422@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> And hurry it up MonkeyCarp, we're all on pins and needles waiting for
> more of your hackneyed insights.

So, they didn't even know
which god they were praying to?
No wonder they failed.

Why don't you ask those learned doctors
what god were they praying to?
Did they even believe in the god
they were praying to?
Probably they were praying to an idol.
Definitely not to God.

You just don't order God around.

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J A - 12 Apr 2008 23:56 GMT
>>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc18@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
>>>> message
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> which god they were praying to?
> No wonder they failed.

Why didn't you answer the question, instead of dodging it?

Why do you send your replies to all the followup groups, but then reset the
followup to only one group - a dishonest and chickenshit thing to do?

Again, MonkeyCarp:

Which god(s)?

There are thousands of gods that have been worshipped by homo sapiens
in the past and present.
Start here: <http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/names/gods.htm>
Can you tell me which ones you believe in and which you don't, and
show the EVIDENCE for the existence of the ones you believe in?

Or, if you're stupid enough to think all god claims need to be
disproved by non-believers instead of PROVED by the believer - then
also give evidence for the non-existence of all the gods you don't
believe in.

And hurry it up MonkeyCarp, we're all on pins and needles waiting for more
of your hackneyed insights.

> Why don't you ask those learned doctors
> what god were they praying to?
> Did they even believe in the god
> they were praying to?

You stupid a.s.

The doctors weren't praying, they had devoted christians praying, it's a
famous study and this is the first you've heard of it?

You're a dumbass, with no character, who weasels around with phony
questions, and trying to rig the followup groups posted to.

> Probably they were praying to an idol.
> Definitely not to God.
>
> You just don't order God around.
monkfish - 13 Apr 2008 00:11 GMT
>>>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc18@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
>>>>> message

news:2af3f536-35f9-43a0-82d8-2a1837686422@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
> You're a dumbass, with no character, who weasels around with phony
> questions, and trying to rig the followup groups posted to.

What makes you think
those devoted Christian knew
what they were doing?
Those clueless doctors set them up.

You just don't order God around.
You should be grateful for what you got;
no matter what.

Of course, you can pray.
But you are better off
praying for your own acceptance
of God's will.
And beg a little, if you must.

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J A - 13 Apr 2008 01:47 GMT
>>>>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc18@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
>>>>>> message
[quoted text clipped - 85 lines]
>> You're a dumbass, with no character, who weasels around with phony
>> questions, and trying to rig the followup groups posted to.

> What makes you think
> those devoted Christian knew
> what they were doing?
> Those clueless doctors set them up.

More lying and evading.

Again. I'll show you for the lying weasel you are.

NY Times By BENEDICT CAREY Published: March 31, 2006

Long-Awaited Medical Study Questions the Power of Prayer

Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who
were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found.

And patients who knew they were being prayed for had a higher rate of
post-operative complications like abnormal heart rhythms, perhaps because of
the expectations the prayers created, the researchers suggested.

Because it is the most scientifically rigorous investigation of whether
prayer can heal illness, the study, begun almost a decade ago and involving
more than 1,800 patients, has for years been the subject of speculation.

The question has been a contentious one among researchers. Proponents have
argued that prayer is perhaps the most deeply human response to disease, and
that it may relieve suffering by some mechanism that is not yet understood.
Skeptics have contended that studying prayer is a waste of money and that it
presupposes supernatural intervention, putting it by definition beyond the
reach of science.

At least 10 studies of the effects of prayer have been carried out in the
last six years, with mixed results. The new study was intended to overcome
flaws in the earlier investigations. The report was scheduled to appear in
The American Heart Journal next week, but the journal's publisher released
it online yesterday.

In a hurriedly convened news conference, the study's authors, led by Dr.
Herbert Benson, a cardiologist and director of the Mind/Body Medical
Institute near Boston, said that the findings were not the last word on the
effects of so-called intercessory prayer. But the results, they said, raised
questions about how and whether patients should be told that prayers were
being offered for them.

"One conclusion from this is that the role of awareness of prayer should be
studied further," said Dr. Charles Bethea, a cardiologist at Integris
Baptist Medical Center in Oklahoma City and a co-author of the study.

Other experts said the study underscored the question of whether prayer was
an appropriate subject for scientific study.

"The problem with studying religion scientifically is that you do violence
to the phenomenon by reducing it to basic elements that can be quantified,
and that makes for bad science and bad religion," said Dr. Richard Sloan, a
professor of behavioral medicine at Columbia and author of a forthcoming
book, "Blind Faith: The Unholy Alliance of Religion and Medicine."

The study cost $2.4 million, and most of the money came from the John
Templeton Foundation, which supports research into spirituality. The
government has spent more than $2.3 million on prayer research since 2000.

Dean Marek, a chaplain at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., and a
co-author of the report, said the study said nothing about the power of
personal prayer or about prayers for family members and friends.

Working in a large medical center like Mayo, Mr. Marek said, "You hear tons
of stories about the power of prayer, and I don't doubt them."

In the study, the researchers monitored 1,802 patients at six hospitals who
received coronary bypass surgery, in which doctors reroute circulation
around a clogged vein or artery.

The patients were broken into three groups. Two were prayed for; the third
was not. Half the patients who received the prayers were told that they were
being prayed for; half were told that they might or might not receive
prayers.

The researchers asked the members of three congregations - St. Paul's
Monastery in St. Paul; the Community of Teresian Carmelites in Worcester,
Mass.; and Silent Unity, a Missouri prayer ministry near Kansas City - to
deliver the prayers, using the patients' first names and the first initials
of their last names.

The congregations were told that they could pray in their own ways, but they
were instructed to include the phrase, "for a successful surgery with a
quick, healthy recovery and no complications."

Analyzing complications in the 30 days after the operations, the researchers
found no differences between those patients who were prayed for and those
who were not.

In another of the study's findings, a significantly higher number of the
patients who knew that they were being prayed for - 59 percent - suffered
complications, compared with 51 percent of those who were uncertain. The
authors left open the possibility that this was a chance finding. But they
said that being aware of the strangers' prayers also may have caused some of
the patients a kind of performance anxiety.
monkfish - 13 Apr 2008 02:49 GMT
>>>>>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc18@emorycardiology.com> wrote
>>>>>>> in message

news:2af3f536-35f9-43a0-82d8-2a1837686422@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 184 lines]
> finding. But they said that being aware of the strangers' prayers also
> may have caused some of the patients a kind of performance anxiety.

They are like a fool
who is trying to catch a cloud
with a net.
Do you really think
you can take picture of a spirit?

Why don't you grab hold of your self
and shake it until it makes a sound?

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J A - 13 Apr 2008 16:23 GMT
>>>>>>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc18@emorycardiology.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> in message
[quoted text clipped - 194 lines]
> Do you really think
> you can take picture of a spirit?

You now accept the study's results showing prayer to be ineffective or
harmful to medical patients.

Progress.
monkfish - 14 Apr 2008 03:32 GMT
> You now accept the study's results showing prayer to be ineffective or
> harmful to medical patients.
>
> Progress.

I find the study completely useless
because it does not even begin
to understand what prayer is.

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J A - 14 Apr 2008 04:54 GMT
>> You now accept the study's results showing prayer to be ineffective or
>> harmful to medical patients.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> because it does not even begin
> to understand what prayer is.

The xians participating in the study think they know what prayer is, but you
think they don't?

The study was acceptred by a major medical publication.

Do you know what lying is?
monkfish - 14 Apr 2008 05:11 GMT
>>> You now accept the study's results showing prayer to be ineffective or
>>> harmful to medical patients.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Do you know what lying is?

They were misled.
They didn't realize that
they were being used to force God's hands.

Prayers should be personal.
Ever heard of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?
You will never find God by trying to force His hands.
Got it yet?

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J A - 14 Apr 2008 23:10 GMT
>>>> You now accept the study's results showing prayer to be ineffective or
>>>> harmful to medical patients.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> They didn't realize that
> they were being used to force God's hands.

Why would god feel his hand was being forced?

Why do you think this, while those praying and being prayed for, didn't?

How could anyone "force" an all powerful supernatural being?

Why do you lack the character to accept the truth?

> Prayers should be personal.

Why do you think the prayers weren't personal?

> Ever heard of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?

How could some experimental principle affect an all powerful supernatural
being's powers?

> You will never find God by trying to force His hands.

Why do put up facile red herrings instead of dealing with the truth?

> Got it yet?

Why do you think we don't understand that you are an obvious liar?
monkfish - 15 Apr 2008 00:19 GMT
>>>>> You now accept the study's results showing prayer to be ineffective
>>>>> or harmful to medical patients.
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> Why do you think we don't understand that you are an obvious liar?

God hides from your kinds
for your own good.

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Phobos - 15 Apr 2008 00:29 GMT
> God hides from your kinds
> for your own good.

How convenient - must be a pretty smart God.
monkfish - 15 Apr 2008 03:26 GMT
>> God hides from your kinds
>> for your own good.
>
> How convenient - must be a pretty smart God.

Much more than you can imagine.
If we still had the Ark of the Covenant,
we would have destroyed the world with it.
Humans usually do incredibly terrible things
when they are dead certain and self-righteous.

How certain are you about the scientific method?
Can we rely on it to decide matters of life and death?

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J A - 15 Apr 2008 00:30 GMT
>>>>>> You now accept the study's results showing prayer to be ineffective
>>>>>> or harmful to medical patients.
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> God hides from your kinds
> for your own good.

Why do you think we don't understand that you are an obvious liar?
monkfish - 15 Apr 2008 03:56 GMT
>>>>>>> You now accept the study's results showing prayer to be
>>>>>>> ineffective or harmful to medical patients.
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> Why do you think we don't understand that you are an obvious liar?

I guess you don't even understand what lying is.
You are obviously clueless about what God is.
Why are you talking as if you know what God is?

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J A - 15 Apr 2008 04:37 GMT
>>>>>>>> You now accept the study's results showing prayer to be
>>>>>>>> ineffective or harmful to medical patients.
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>
> I guess you don't even understand what lying is.

I understand it. I see you doing it consistently.

> You are obviously clueless about what God is.
> Why are you talking as if you know what God is?

Why are you?

BTW,,,
There are thousands of gods that have been worshipped by homo sapiens
in the past and present.
Start here: <http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/names/gods.htm>
Can you tell me which ones you believe in and which you don't, and
show the EVIDENCE for the existence of the ones you believe in?

Or, if you're stupid enough to think all god claims need to be
disproved by non-believers instead of PROVED by the believer - then
also give evidence for the non-existence of all the gods you don't
believe in.

Answer that, monkeycarper.
monkfish - 15 Apr 2008 05:01 GMT
>>>>>>>>> You now accept the study's results showing prayer to be
>>>>>>>>> ineffective or harmful to medical patients.
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
>
> Answer that, monkeycarper.

Though God is prior to numbers,
you can say there is only one god.

God is the ultimate point of reference.
If you see any god even remotely close to it,
tell me all about it.
Otherwise you are confusing idols with God.

If you get over this,
we can begin to talk about what it means for God
to be the ultimate point of reference.

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J A - 16 Apr 2008 01:33 GMT
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message

> Though God is prior to numbers,
> you can say there is only one god.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> we can begin to talk about what it means for God
> to be the ultimate point of reference.

You always evade the real issues.

Making a fantasy being your point of reference is not a formula for success.
monkfish - 16 Apr 2008 01:41 GMT
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Making a fantasy being your point of reference is not a formula for
> success.

What is your frame of reference?
Atheism?

How do you distinguish good from bad
in or using atheism?

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J A - 16 Apr 2008 03:01 GMT
>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>
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> How do you distinguish good from bad
> in or using atheism?

Idiot.

Every society has generated rules for people to live and cooperate
together - humans did it for themselves, and then sometimes claimed the
rules came from "gods".
monkfish - 16 Apr 2008 03:53 GMT
>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> together - humans did it for themselves, and then sometimes claimed the
> rules came from "gods".

Never mind how we got it, dear.
How do you distinguish good from bad
in or using your atheism?
You do make such distinctions, don't you?

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J A - 16 Apr 2008 23:34 GMT
>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> in or using your atheism?
> You do make such distinctions, don't you?

Among the distinctions I'm capable of, is recognizing that honesty,
directness, basing ideas on facts and logic, rejecting god fantasies - these
are all "good" things.

Why can you not recognize these as good things?
monkfish - 17 Apr 2008 01:09 GMT
>>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> Why can you not recognize these as good things?

They are all good.
But what you call gods are just idols.
You are not getting what God is.

Anyhow, how do you know they are good?
Are they good for something else or good in itself?
Are you just following your instincts
or your blind faith or what?

Sooner or later,
you need to learn to articulate
your frame of reference.

How do you know what is good and what is not?

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J A - 17 Apr 2008 02:22 GMT
monkfish - 17 Apr 2008 02:50 GMT
Is that your blind faith?

See what atheism does to a smart person:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/

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J A - 17 Apr 2008 03:26 GMT
> Is that your blind faith?
>
> See what atheism does to a smart person:
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/

By the way you insipid dwarf, he was probably a deist, whom people accused
of being an atheist.

The moron posts a link to a site dealing with DNA testing showing that
Jefferson fathered a child with his slave Sally Hemmings - and that's
supposed to condemn Thomas Jefferson. The evidnece isn't conclusive, but
Jefferson probably did father children with her.

Sally Hemmings was the half sister of Jefferson's dead wife, and was similar
in apearance to the dead woman, whom Jefferson adored.  He never remarried.

The Monkfish dwarf  wants you to conjure up a vision of a ranvenous founding
father forcing himself on a helpless resisting slave girl.

In fact, she was with Jefferson in France, while he was ambassador there,
and could have sought her freedom under French law. She did not.

I think I have seen references to her serving as hostess at some of
Jefferson's social affairs, which caused some commentary during those times.

There's a lot of oral history from her descendants.  It claims Jefferson as
father of a couple of her children, but there are no claims of an ugly
forced relationship.

It is characteristic of morons like Monkfish to only think in terms of
superficialities.

What evidence do you have that Sally Hemmings was forced by Jefferson to
have sex with him?

What makes a little dwarf like you think that he knows whether or not they
were both happy to have an affair?
monkfish - 17 Apr 2008 05:17 GMT
>> Is that your blind faith?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> What makes a little dwarf like you think that he knows whether or not
> they were both happy to have an affair?

Saying the same thing over and over
does not convince anyone.

What should he have done?

What should he have done
according to your own Bible quote?

What should he have done
according to his own ethics?

What should he have done
according to your atheistic ethics?

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Phobos - 17 Apr 2008 05:43 GMT
> Saying the same thing over and over
> does not convince anyone.

Yes, and that includes the same questions over and over again and again.
monkfish - 17 Apr 2008 05:46 GMT
>> Saying the same thing over and over
>> does not convince anyone.
>
> Yes, and that includes the same questions over and over again and again.

Questions are different.
They need to be asked
until they are answered.

What should he have done?

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Phobos - 17 Apr 2008 06:04 GMT
> Questions are different.
> They need to be asked
> until they are answered.

Certainly no one has to answer your questions.

I would think you would be smart enough to realize some are not going to
answer your questions and maybe they are the ones having fun getting you to
keep asking.

You might try making statement to counter what others say and see what, of
if, they say rather than just asking more questions which will be ingnored
and be exactly what they want.
monkfish - 17 Apr 2008 06:21 GMT
>> Questions are different.
>> They need to be asked
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> of if, they say rather than just asking more questions which will be
> ingnored and be exactly what they want.

I'm probably asking myself.
I expect most intelligent replies would come from myself.
Atheists here are just providing raw energy to help me
go on asking those simple but difficult questions.

Why would anyone settle down with
such a deprived worldview like atheism?
Even UFO fanaticism sounds better.

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Phobos - 17 Apr 2008 16:33 GMT
> I'm probably asking myself.
> I expect most intelligent replies would come from myself.

Since you keep asking yourself and, as you say, you expect most intelligent
responses to come from you, then why don't you answer your questions so we
can all gain from your wisdom and knowledge.
monkfish - 17 Apr 2008 17:00 GMT
>> I'm probably asking myself.
>> I expect most intelligent replies would come from myself.
>
> Since you keep asking yourself and, as you say, you expect most
> intelligent responses to come from you, then why don't you answer your
> questions so we can all gain from your wisdom and knowledge.

Things take time.

God seems to reveal Himself at His pleasure.
Otherwise, we would be worshiping idols
created by us, most of the time.

Do you believe in money?

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J666 - 17 Apr 2008 17:02 GMT
>> I'm probably asking myself.
>> I expect most intelligent replies would come from myself.
>
> Since you keep asking yourself and, as you say, you expect most intelligent
> responses to come from you, then why don't you answer your questions so we
> can all gain from your wisdom and knowledge.


Interest response from mf.  MF obviously considers him/herself the guru on
the mountain but comes across as the monkfool on the hill.

MF does not seem the have the troll-ability of Chung as far fewer regularly
respond compared to Chung.

MF's response will be interesting and will see if continues as the monkfool
on the hill - will watch for a while to see if mf responds to this thread/
J A - 17 Apr 2008 23:00 GMT
>>> Is that your blind faith?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> Saying the same thing over and over
> does not convince anyone.

You are a stupid liar.

That has been said that before also, and it remains true and worth
repeating.

Truth often needs repeating.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 00:58 GMT
>>>> Is that your blind faith?
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> Truth often needs repeating.

What do you call people who sleep with girls
who are not in a position to say no?

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J A - 18 Apr 2008 01:16 GMT
>>>>> Is that your blind faith?
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> What do you call people who sleep with girls
> who are not in a position to say no?

What should be said to a slandering liar, like you?

The moron posts a link to a site dealing with DNA testing showing that
Jefferson fathered a child with his slave Sally Hemmings - and that's
supposed to condemn Thomas Jefferson. The evidnece isn't conclusive, but
Jefferson probably did father children with her.

Sally Hemmings was the half sister of Jefferson's dead wife, and was similar
in apearance to the dead woman, whom Jefferson adored.  He never remarried.

The Monkfish dwarf  wants you to conjure up a vision of a ranvenous founding
father forcing himself on a helpless resisting slave girl.

In fact, she was with Jefferson in France, while he was ambassador there,
and could have sought her freedom under French law. She did not.

I think I have seen references to her serving as hostess at some of
Jefferson's social affairs, which caused some commentary during those times.

There's a lot of oral history from her descendants.  It claims Jefferson as
father of a couple of her children, but there are no claims of an ugly
forced relationship.

It is characteristic of morons like Monkfish to only think in terms of
superficialities.

What evidence do you have that Sally Hemmings was forced by Jefferson to
have sex with him?

What makes a little dwarf like you think that he knows whether or not they
were both happy to have an affair?
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 01:21 GMT
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>
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> What makes a little dwarf like you think that he knows whether or not
> they were both happy to have an affair?

Don't we send teachers to jail
if they sleep with their minor students?
What does atheism say about the issue?

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J A - 18 Apr 2008 01:56 GMT
>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>> What evidence do you have that Sally Hemmings was forced by Jefferson to
>> have sex with him?

>> What makes a little dwarf like you think that he knows whether or not
>> they were both happy to have an affair?
>
> Don't we send teachers to jail
> if they sleep with their minor students?
> What does atheism say about the issue?

How do you know what age she was, if and when she had sex with Jefferson?

How do you know who initiated the affair, assuming it happened at all?

Females married much earlier in the 18th century.

You really are a scummy little twerp.

Who are you to say such things without proof?

With proof, many cases of faggot priests molesting young boys can be pointed
out.

Koresh was an actual child molester, in similarity with that christian cult
in Texas that's in the news.

Why don't you just stop posting.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 02:48 GMT
>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
>
> Why don't you just stop posting.

Your kind of anger does not come naturally.
Have you been molested as a child?

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J A - 18 Apr 2008 03:20 GMT
>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
> Your kind of anger does not come naturally.
> Have you been molested as a child?

What a filthy little coward you are.

People don't have to be victims of child abuse to be outraged by it.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 03:26 GMT
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>
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>
> People don't have to be victims of child abuse to be outraged by it.

Simple no would have been sufficient.
So, I'll take it as a yes.

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J A - 18 Apr 2008 03:38 GMT
>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Simple no would have been sufficient.
> So, I'll take it as a yes.

I'll take it that your children are victims of child abuse.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 03:43 GMT
>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> I'll take it that your children are victims of child abuse.

Wrong.

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J A - 18 Apr 2008 03:56 GMT
>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Wrong.

Anyone following this knows you're a liar, so they can take that for it what
it logically means.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 04:01 GMT
>>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Anyone following this knows you're a liar, so they can take that for it
> what it logically means.

Do you use logic to tell right from wrong?
What kind of logic do you use?

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J666 - 18 Apr 2008 04:11 GMT
An easy recipe for chicken soup:
   

4 cooked chicken breasts
1 (16-oz.) pkg. egg noodles
2 carrots, chopped or sliced
3 stalks celery, sliced
2 cans Cream of Chicken soup
1/4 cup onion, chopped
salt and pepper, to taste

Cook chicken by boiling until tender. Dice the chicken and set aside.

Cook noodles according to package directions.

Boil carrots and celery until tender. Add the vegetables, chicken and cream
soup to the cooked noodles. Salt and pepper to taste.

Simmer for about 15 minutes.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 04:15 GMT
> An easy recipe for chicken soup:
>    
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Simmer for about 15 minutes.

Are you trolling?

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J A - 18 Apr 2008 04:15 GMT
>>>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Do you use logic to tell right from wrong?
> What kind of logic do you use?

Why do you seem so odd and constantly dissembling?
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 04:24 GMT
>>> Anyone following this knows you're a liar, so they can take that for
>>> it what it logically means.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Why do you seem so odd and constantly dissembling?

Am I helping you yet?

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J A - 18 Apr 2008 04:39 GMT
>>>> Anyone following this knows you're a liar, so they can take that for
>>>> it what it logically means.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Am I helping you yet?

You're bitter that they didn't help you, aren't you.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 04:43 GMT
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>
>> Am I helping you yet?
>
> You're bitter that they didn't help you, aren't you.

I'm almost always grateful for everything.
How about you?

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J A - 18 Apr 2008 04:51 GMT
>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>
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>
> I'm almost always grateful for everything.

Have you been treated fairly?

> How about you?
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 05:00 GMT
>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Have you been treated fairly?

Compared to what?
How do you decide what is fair in atheism?

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J A - 18 Apr 2008 05:08 GMT
>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Compared to what?

Did they treat you fairly?

> How do you decide what is fair in atheism?
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 05:13 GMT
>>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>
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>
> Did they treat you fairly?

Not always.
But you really should not
let that bother you so much.

Just be grateful for everything.
Yes, even your inane replies.
And, of course, my compassionate posts.

Are you ready?

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J A - 18 Apr 2008 16:50 GMT
>>>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Not always.

It what ways have people or life mistreated you?

> But you really should not
> let that bother you so much.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Are you ready?
monkfish - 19 Apr 2008 00:41 GMT
>>>>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
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>
> It what ways have people or life mistreated you?

The same way the powerful are exploiting the weak everywhere.
I must have done the same to the weaker.
Don't get attached to the past.
There are better ways to live.

Are you grateful for everything most of the time?

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J666 - 18 Apr 2008 05:02 GMT
> Have you been treated fairly?

Was that a typo and should have been:

Have you been treated fairy?
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 05:03 GMT
>> Have you been treated fairly?
>
> Was that a typo and should have been:
>
> Have you been treated fairy?

Talking about yourself again?

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J666 - 18 Apr 2008 03:58 GMT
> I'll take it that your children are victims of child abuse.

At least Chung's daughter seems to be safely away from Chung - the Celestial
Chicken cares a lot about little children.
J A - 18 Apr 2008 04:09 GMT
>> I'll take it that your children are victims of child abuse.
>
> At least Chung's daughter seems to be safely away from Chung - the
> Celestial
> Chicken cares a lot about little children.

Yes, but the monkeycockroach seems very interested in child molestation and
doesn't like people who condemn it.

Let's keep tweaking and see how he breaks.
J666 - 18 Apr 2008 04:12 GMT
> Yes, but the monkeycockroach seems very interested in child molestation and
> doesn't like people who condemn it.

Yes he does seemed to be fixated on it -  almost like a fetish.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 04:21 GMT
>> Yes, but the monkeycockroach seems very interested in child molestation
>> and doesn't like people who condemn it.
>
> Yes he does seemed to be fixated on it -  almost like a fetish.

You are to talking about it more.
What does that make you?

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monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 04:17 GMT
>>> I'll take it that your children are victims of child abuse.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Let's keep tweaking and see how he breaks.

Do you have any porn in your computer?

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monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 04:12 GMT
>> I'll take it that your children are victims of child abuse.
>
> At least Chung's daughter seems to be safely away from Chung - the
> Celestial Chicken cares a lot about little children.

Are you trying to hurt him?

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J666 - 18 Apr 2008 01:41 GMT
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message

>> What do you call people who sleep with girls
>> who are not in a position to say no?


Saw the above in J A's post from the MFer

What do you call people who sleep with boys who are not in a postition to say
no .....  priests.

In the news there is the story about all those kids in Texas from that
religious compound where the young girls marry older men.

Remember the "man of God," the TV preacher Jimmy Swaggert who was arrested
with prostitutes.

It seems there are many who belief in God and still do immoral things.
monkfish - 18 Apr 2008 02:29 GMT
>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>
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>
> It seems there are many who belief in God and still do immoral things.

They might think they are Christians,
but they probably are not.
At least not when they are committing crimes.
Still they seem to know right and wrong.

How do you tell right from wrong?

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