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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / April 2008Daily Spirit-guided thought for 04/03/08.
http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/106290.html May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 A simple parable for the wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Marana tha Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/106290.html > > May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful > 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Horus son of Isis. ABC News SIMON MCGREGOR-WOOD JERUSALEM, March 5, 2008 Moses and the Israelites were on drugs, says Benny Shanon, an Israeli professor of cognitive philosophy. Writing in the British Journal Time and Mind, he claims Moses was probably on psychedelic drugs when he received the Ten Commandments from God. The assertions give a whole new meaning to Moses being "high" on Mount Sinai. According to Shanon, a professor at Hebrew University, two naturally existing plants in the Sinai Peninsula have the same psychoactive components as ones found in the Amazon jungle and are well-known for their mind-altering capabilities. The drugs are usually combined in a drink called ayahuasca. "As far as Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effects of narcotics," he told Israel Radio in an interview Tuesday. The description in The Book of Exodus of thunder, lightening and a blaring trumpet, according to Shanon, are the classic imaginings of people under the influence of drugs. As for the vision of the burning bush, well obviously that too was a drug-fueled hallucination, according to Shanon. "In advanced forms of ayahuasca inebriation," he wrote, "the seeing of light is accompanied by profound religious and spiritual feelings." Shanon admits he took some of these drugs while in the Amazon in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," he said. The initial reaction to this controversial theory from Israel's religiously orthodox community and the powerful rabbis who lead it was less than enthusiastic. Orthodox rabbi Yuval Sherlow, quoted by Reuters speaking on Israel radio, said: "The Bible is trying to convey a very profound event. We have to fear not for the fate of the biblical Moses, but for the fate of science." > On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > have to fear not for the fate of the biblical Moses, but for the fate > of science." I guess you didn't quite get his wise warning.  Signaturemonkfish > > On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > > <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > I guess you didn't quite get > his wise warning. Science is doing fine. It has produced our advanced society. It was a "warning" from a deluded supernaturalist, and would seem "wise" only to a dolt. >>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > It was a "warning" from a deluded supernaturalist, and would seem > "wise" only to a dolt. Science is too politicized. It is now mainly supported and manipulated by the military industrial complex. If no messiah is coming, we better create one soon. Signaturemonkfish > >>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > >>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > It was a "warning" from a deluded supernaturalist, and would seem > > "wise" only to a dolt. > Science is too politicized. > It is now mainly supported and manipulated > by the military industrial complex. More of your nonsense. Climatologists aren't politicians, and the military industrial complex hardly likes the global warming warnings. > If no messiah is coming, > we better create one soon. Climate changes created our species by forcing evolutionary adaptions. If you want to find a messiah, look for a climatologist. > -- > monkfish- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >>>>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >>>>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > If you want to find a messiah, look for a climatologist. I guess you are no rocket scientist. I also bet you still support the Iraq war. Signaturemonkfish > I guess you are no rocket scientist. > I also bet you still support the Iraq war. This lumping together of people based on one of their views is not that uncommon among those of faith who view their faith as all or none, even when there are conflicting parts of their Bible. Your comments above, once again, say far more about you. >> I guess you are no rocket scientist. >> I also bet you still support the Iraq war. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Your comments above, once again, say far more about you. Your own comments fit that description better! Do you even know the contents of your blind faith? Signaturemonkfish > Do you even know the contents of your blind faith? Boy in what reality do you live in - the Trinity of Chung, Pastor Frank and Monkfish are the ones with the blind faith. >> Do you even know the contents of your blind faith? > > Boy in what reality do you live in - the Trinity of Chung, Pastor Frank and > Monkfish are the ones with the blind faith. So far, your scientism appears to be rather primitive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism Have you been holding it for some time? Signaturemonkfish > >>>>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > >>>>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > I guess you are no rocket scientist. > I also bet you still support the Iraq war. You're a lameass who hides behind nonsense questions. > You're a lameass who hides behind nonsense questions. Nonsense questions, nonsense web urls and nonsense "meaningless links to nonsense" are basically the same. >>>>>>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >>>>>>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > You're a lameass who hides behind nonsense questions. Having difficulty answering simple questions? I am no rocket scientist. I am still against the Iraq war. How about you? A reliable weather forecast is vital in war. Don't you just love the military industrial complex? Signaturemonkfish > >>>>>>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > >>>>>>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > > You're a lameass who hides behind nonsense questions. > Having difficulty answering simple questions? > > I am no rocket scientist. Thart's apparent. > I am still against the Iraq war. How do you know the war exists? > How about you? How do you know you exist? >>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >>>>>>>>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > How do you know you exist? Do you talk to yourself a lot? Signaturemonkfish >> How do you know the war exists? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Do you talk to yourself a lot? Yup, you must only understand questions and know how to answer questions so no doubt you will not understand this since it is not a question. >>> How do you know the war exists? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yup, you must only understand questions and know how to answer questions so > no doubt you will not understand this since it is not a question. Are you proud of yourself when you laugh at stupid people? Signaturemonkfish > >>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > >>>>>>>>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > Do you talk to yourself a lot? There he goes again, projecting. >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >>>>>>>>>>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > There he goes again, projecting. You are the one who is questioning the existence of God. First, you need to tell me what it means for God to exist. Can you do that? Signaturemonkfish > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > >>>>>>>>>>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > Can you do that? There are thousands of gods that have been worshipped by homo sapiens in the past and present. Start here: http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/names/gods.htm Can you tell me which ones you believe in and which you don't, and show the EVIDENCE for the existence of the ones you believe in? Or, if you're stupid enough to think all god claims need to be disproved by non-believers instead of PROVED by the believer - then also give evidence for the non-existence of all the gods you don't believe in. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flounderingsatan On Apr 5, 10:09 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: P S Y C H I A T R I S T. > On Apr 5, 10:09 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > P S Y C H I A T R I S T. Are you still taunting people presumed by you to be mentally ill? Signaturemonkfish > > On Apr 5, 10:09 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > > <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > monkfish Taunt, taunt. >>> On Apr 5, 10:09 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >>> <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Taunt, taunt. Would you like to be presumed to be mentally ill? Signaturemonkfish > >>> On Apr 5, 10:09 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > >>> <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Would you like to be > presumed to be mentally ill? Apparently it doesn't bother you. Taunt, taunt. > -- > monkfish http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Defeatssatan On Apr 6, 2:14 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Defeatssatan Yes Andrew, you have been defeated numerous times. ;-)) http://HeartMDPhD.com/DepressedSockPuppet >>>>> On Apr 5, 10:09 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >>>>> <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Apparently it doesn't bother you. > Taunt, taunt. I have no reason to presume you to be mentally ill. Morally bankrupt, maybe. Signaturemonkfish > >>>>> On Apr 5, 10:09 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > >>>>> <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > you to be mentally ill. > Morally bankrupt, maybe. Taunt taunt. LOL >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > also give evidence for the non-existence of all the gods you don't > believe in. That's much better. So, we don't agree what God is, yet. My working hypothesis is that God is the ultimate pint of reference "for all meaning and existence." God is necessary to make sense of anything. What does it mean for such a "being" to exist? What does it mean to "exist" for the ultimate point of reference that provide meaning for everything including the term 'existence'? Does that mean God should reveal Himself somehow? Let's slow down a little, and answer these first: What is God in your frame of reference and what is your frame of reference? Signaturemonkfish >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > That's much better. > So, we don't agree what God is, yet. Less than that. "gods" are merely fictional characters in the stories of the uncivilized. > My working hypothesis is that > God is the ultimate pint of reference > "for all meaning and existence." > God is necessary to make sense of anything. Then my experiences give any meaning to existence. Fictional characters give no such meaning. > What does it mean for such a "being" to exist? > What does it mean to "exist" > for the ultimate point of reference > that provide meaning for everything > including the term 'existence'? > Does that mean God should reveal Himself somehow? It means nothing, fictional stories are just that. > Let's slow down a little, > and answer these first: > > What is God in your frame of reference > and what is your frame of reference? I live here and now and experience the present moment. Mindfulness. Fictional characters have no presence in the here and now. SignaturePramesh Rutaji p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flounderingsatan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 3:43 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 147 lines] > I live here and now and experience the present moment. Mindfulness. > Fictional characters have no presence in the here and now. Isn't your self fictional as well? Signaturemonkfish > How do you know the war exists? Will be interesting to see if he answers, and how he answers or if he just gives one of his Stupidratic questions. >> How do you know the war exists? > > Will be interesting to see if he answers, and how he answers or if he just > gives one of his Stupidratic questions. All depends on what you mean by existence. Do you have any idea what it means? Signaturemonkfish > How do you know the war exists? You were answered with another question - monkfish is getting kind of pathetic with his question - I hope it is OK to point out pathetic people. > On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:33:50 -0500, J A wrote > (in message [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You were answered with another question - monkfish is getting kind of > pathetic with his question - I hope it is OK to point out pathetic people. Do you think it's ok to point out nonsense if the person issuing the nonsense isn't even sure if he knows or can know what it is he's trying to grasp in terms of knowing the essence of the non-sense or the gist of being a whanger? >> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:33:50 -0500, J A wrote >> (in message [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > trying to grasp in terms of knowing the essence of the non-sense or > the gist of being a whanger? Only if you have stopped taunting people presumed by you to be mentally ill. Signaturemonkfish > >> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:33:50 -0500, J A wrote > >> (in message [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > monkfish Taunt, taunt. >>>> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:33:50 -0500, J A wrote >>>> (in message [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Taunt, taunt. You are not presumed by me to be mentally ill. Are you? Signaturemonkfish > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to be mentally ill. > Are you? Mental illness does happen when there is delusion especially in satan's case: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Insanesatan > >> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:33:50 -0500, J A wrote > >> (in message [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Only if you have stopped taunting people > presumed by you to be mentally ill. You left out the "English wiper of other peoples' bottoms." >> How do you know the war exists? > > You were answered with another question - monkfish is getting kind of > pathetic with his question - I hope it is OK to point out pathetic people. Have you stopped taunting people presumed by you to be mentally ill? Signaturemonkfish > If no messiah is coming, > we better create one soon. "If Voltaire did not exist, it would be necessary to create him." -- Ecclesiastes In article monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> writes: > In-Reply-To: <049dc276-dbf4-4673-976a-dc9ea71b770c@a22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > It was a "warning" from a deluded supernaturalist, and would seem > > "wise" only to a dolt. > Science is too politicized. > It is now mainly supported and manipulated > by the military industrial complex. Funny, in four decades in science, I've worked on exactly one significant project funded by the military. How about you? -- cary > If no messiah is coming, > we better create one soon. > In article monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> writes: >> In-Reply-To: <049dc276-dbf4-4673-976a-dc9ea71b770c@a22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > How about you? I'm not in science. Have never been. I just read some philosophy of science decades ago. I'm not interested in debating the issue now. But feel free to read on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_funding_of_science Signaturemonkfish > Funny, in four decades in science, I've worked > on exactly one significant project funded > by the military. The military, along with the government, does fund a lot of the research. Even though some may be for military uses, there are also may good civilian things that come out of it too. Often when looking for one thing, find something not expected or even thought of before. Better to have research even funded by the military, then no research at all. >> Funny, in four decades in science, I've worked >> on exactly one significant project funded [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Better to have research even funded by the military, then no research at all. Ever heard of ecology or stewardship? Signaturemonkfish > >> Funny, in four decades in science, I've worked > >> on exactly one significant project funded [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ever heard of ecology or stewardship? Ever heard of the Internet? http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan htttp://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppet |
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