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I came here for information and advice because I had an angioplasty with three DES inserted in my circumflex and RCA last October. iI'm doing great, but based on the latest studies I have concerns about going off of Plavix in a few months as my cardiologist has suggested. But I'm wondering if I came to the wrong NG. All I see are posts arguing about religion. Is this actually a newsgroup about cardiology? > I came here for information and advice because I had an angioplasty > with three DES inserted in my circumflex and RCA last October. iI'm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Is this actually a newsgroup about cardiology? Allegedly it is, but it's pretty much ruined by Chung. I began reading this newsgroup after my MI & angioplasty installed stents on 09/30/07. I still browse it periodically for the occasional interesting post. My favorite discovery for many different health related discussion is: http://www.healthboards.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=65 That link is the Heart Disorders subgroup. I also read the High/Low Blood Pressure and the Weight Loss subgroups. Lots of good discussions. I was told to expect to stay on Plavix basically the rest of my life. I'm trying like hell to change my lifestyle enough that my Dr agrees to get me off of Statins. On Mar 29, 2:34 pm, Newsreader > Allegedly it is, but it's pretty much ruined by Chung. That may very well be the one success in Chung's life. I am sure he takes great pride in that. >On Mar 29, 2:34 pm, Newsreader > >> Allegedly it is, but it's pretty much ruined by Chung. > >That may very well be the one success in Chung's life. I am sure he >takes great pride in that. I use Forté Agent newsreader, and it has some great killfile abilities which I've put to good use here in the last half hour. I've blocked threads with any of the words Chung, Andrew, Prayer, God, Spirit, or Pray in the subject or author lines, and all of a sudden I see a nice, "normal" newsgroup without all those extraneous posts! The ironic thing is that I'm a church-going Christian. But there is a time and a place for everything, and I came here for heart-health information and advice. I get my spiritual guidance in church on Sunday morning and don't need to be slammed over the head with Chung's Bible, interfering with my finding the information and advice that I need and came here to get. Thank goodness for Agent's kill filters. Zob ----- Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic It seems to me I heard somewhere that zob wrote in article <r6btu3dkn6cgri3fou84mf65igbbvv0afg@4ax.com>: >>On Mar 29, 2:34 pm, Newsreader >>> Allegedly it is, but it's pretty much ruined by Chung. >>That may very well be the one success in Chung's life. I am sure he >>takes great pride in that. >I use Forté Agent newsreader, and it has some great killfile abilities >which I've put to good use here in the last half hour. I've blocked >threads with any of the words Chung, Andrew, Prayer, God, Spirit, or >Pray in the subject or author lines, and all of a sudden I see a nice, >"normal" newsgroup without all those extraneous posts! >The ironic thing is that I'm a church-going Christian. But there is a >time and a place for everything, and I came here for heart-health >information and advice. I get my spiritual guidance in church on >Sunday morning and don't need to be slammed over the head with Chung's >Bible, interfering with my finding the information and advice that I >need and came here to get. Another ironic thing is that this newsgroup was organized mostly by medical people who wanted a place to share information and experiences about heart diseases (though the language of the documentation is clear that non-medical people, particularly patients, were expected to be among the users); Chung is the one who refuses to abide by the stated purpose in the organizing documentation. In his humble opinion his idiosyncratic theology overrides the interests and needs of other users. >Thank goodness for Agent's kill filters. Amen and amen! :-) > >On Mar 29, 2:34 pm, Newsreader > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > ----- > Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic Glad you have the ability to avoid him. Hope your health improves. There are a group of helpful folks who post / read this group. Some of us refute the idiot's writings so newbies will not be fooled by the MD/PhD sig. Prayers for you and yours. JS http://HeartMDPhD.com/Fraudsatan is http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan >> I came here for information and advice because I had an angioplasty >> with three DES inserted in my circumflex and RCA last October. iI'm [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >I'm trying like hell to change my lifestyle enough that my Dr agrees to >get me off of Statins. Thanks for the link. After what I've been reading, it looks as if it might be prudent to stay on Plavix for the rest of my life also. At least until new studies that are being done now are completed. It looks as if the danger lies within the first three months after stopping Plavix; there seems a rebound effect where the platelets, previously repressed, suddenly multiply and form clots in the stent area. I've read some hopeful news, that studies currently under way may show that it's simply a matter of weaning off the Plavix gradually rather than stopping cold turkey. I'm also on Tricor and Lipitor, which -- like you -- I am working hard to get off of. I had my angioplasty October 25, 2007, a month after you, and I have lost 50 pounds since then sticking to a low fat/low glycemic diet. I'm hoping to get off the statins for more reason than one. Between the statins, Niaspan, Plavix, three BP meds and a couple of other meds, even with good insurance my prescription co-pays amount to several hundred dollars a month. These are all tier 1 and tier 2 meds. I'm really hoping that with lifestyle changes I've made that this will change. My blood pressure was averaging around 150/85 even with the meds. Now with my weight loss it's averaging about 118/65 and I've already been able to switch from the very expensive Catapres transdermal patch to the much cheaper clonidine. SInce October my total cholesterol has dropped from 239 to 117, and triglycerides have plummeted from 359 to 117 also. I've begun an exercise program and am very optimistic that when I go for my next follow up with the cardiologist (in August) that I'll be able to get off several meds. Since the angioplasty I feel better and have more energy than I've had in years. My only real concern has been the prospect of eventually stopping Plavix with the drug exuding stents. Guess I'll just wait and express my concerns to the cardiologist at my August appointment. Zob It seems to me I heard somewhere that zob wrote in article <37atu3teh1jc8u74sg70a45ggb44chuibf@4ax.com>: >>> I came here for information and advice because I had an angioplasty >>> with three DES inserted in my circumflex and RCA last October. iI'm >>> doing great, but based on the latest studies I have concerns about >>> going off of Plavix in a few months as my cardiologist has suggested. >>> But I'm wondering if I came to the wrong NG. All I see are posts >>> arguing about religion. >>> Is this actually a newsgroup about cardiology? >>Allegedly it is, but it's pretty much ruined by Chung. I began reading >>this newsgroup after my MI & angioplasty installed stents on 09/30/07. I >>still browse it periodically for the occasional interesting post. >>My favorite discovery for many different health related discussion is: >>http://www.healthboards.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=65 >>That link is the Heart Disorders subgroup. I also read the High/Low >>Blood Pressure and the Weight Loss subgroups. Lots of good discussions. >>I was told to expect to stay on Plavix basically the rest of my life. >>I'm trying like hell to change my lifestyle enough that my Dr agrees to >>get me off of Statins. >Thanks for the link. After what I've been reading, it looks as if it >might be prudent to stay on Plavix for the rest of my life also. At [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >may show that it's simply a matter of weaning off the Plavix gradually >rather than stopping cold turkey. >I'm also on Tricor and Lipitor, which -- like you -- I am working hard >to get off of. I had my angioplasty October 25, 2007, a month after [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >to several hundred dollars a month. These are all tier 1 and tier 2 >meds. >I'm really hoping that with lifestyle changes I've made that this will >change. My blood pressure was averaging around 150/85 even with the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >very optimistic that when I go for my next follow up with the >cardiologist (in August) that I'll be able to get off several meds. >Since the angioplasty I feel better and have more energy than I've had >in years. My only real concern has been the prospect of eventually >stopping Plavix with the drug exuding stents. Guess I'll just wait >and express my concerns to the cardiologist at my August appointment. Welcome, Zob. You sound like you've brought a breeze of fresh air in here with you. :-) My experiences have been better than yours' and Newsreader's sound. I had a very minor attack in 1998, had three stents in two lab sessions, and since then have been on Lipitor 80m, Lisinopril 20m, and atenolol 12.5m, along with several nutritionals recommended by earlier cardiologists and my optometrist. I'm on twice a year office visits with annual liver panels, and my numbers are very stable in the low-risk zone. I continue close to the routine I had at the time of my attack, except I no longer run marathons or even 5ks;I do about 12 - 15 miles a week, and walk a round of golf every week, weather and commitments allowing. Retirement and losing my running companions at work reduced my motivation for hard running to almost zero. :-) To the extent either of you can handle exercise, I'd sure urge you to get into a routine of some kind; it doesn't have to be hard or intense, but it needs to be continuous and repeatable. I began running close to thirty years ago because most of the men in my family were ill or dying from cardiac problems, so by now running has become a habit and I can see the benefits in my daily activities. Fortunately, my first cardiologist was also a runner, and he had me walking about two weeks after each stenting session, and running soon after that. >It seems to me I heard somewhere that zob wrote in article ><37atu3teh1jc8u74sg70a45ggb44chuibf@4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] >Fortunately, my first cardiologist was also a runner, and he had me walking >about two weeks after each stenting session, and running soon after that. Your story makes me wonder about something. They always recommend exercise for heart rehab. But when someone is already exercising -- and especially in your case long distance running -- what do the doctors say about that? Shouldn't the conditioning be sort of a preventative against the CAD, and if it didn't work before your heart attack, what are the benefits now? I'm not being facetious; I really don't understand how someone with aerobic conditioning gets CAD. Although I guess genetics must play a huge part. My father died from a stroke at 59 (just 3 years older than I am now) and he had several heart attacks when he was in his 40's I guess I'm holding out hope that there's still a way to beat the genetic predisposition with the right nutrition, exercise and meds. Zob ----- Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic http://HeartMDPhD.com/PrayForDon > >Welcome, Zob. You sound like you've brought a breeze of fresh air in here with > >you. :-) [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > and especially in your case long distance running -- what do the > doctors say about that? Exercise is not protective especially when black fat (VAT) is present: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat > Shouldn't the conditioning be sort of a > preventative against the CAD, and if it didn't work before your heart > attack, what are the benefits now? It is beneficial toward losing the black fat in folks who become hungrier while exercising **and** keep to eating just the right amount: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart May the following simple parable help promote understanding: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <12870673-efd4-40a2-ae66-944431c9791d@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >http://HeartMDPhD.com/PrayForDon >> >Welcome, Zob. You sound like you've brought a breeze of fresh air in here with >> >you. :-) >> >My experiences have been better than yours' and Newsreader's sound. I had a >> >very minor attack in 1998, had three stents in two lab sessions, and since then [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >allowing. Retirement and losing my running companions at work reduced my >> >motivation for hard running to almost zero. :-) >> >To the extent either of you can handle exercise, I'd sure urge you to get into a >> >routine of some kind; it doesn't have to be hard or intense, but it needs to be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >Fortunately, my first cardiologist was also a runner, and he had me walking >> >about two weeks after each stenting session, and running soon after that. >> Your story makes me wonder about something. They always recommend >> exercise for heart rehab. But when someone is already exercising -- >> and especially in your case long distance running -- what do the >> doctors say about that? >Exercise is not protective especially when black fat (VAT) is present: And since we've already learned in this newsgroup that mammalian fat comes in two colors, white and brown, we can dismiss concerns about the ill effects of black fat. The truth of the matter is easily found in a Google search for the color of human fat. >> Shouldn't the conditioning be sort of a >> preventative against the CAD, and if it didn't work before your heart [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >hungrier while exercising **and** keep to eating just the right >amount: See above. >May the following simple parable help promote understanding: >http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable If you should decide to waste some time reading Chung's parable of the wise cow who realized it was not good to eat too much and decided to watch its diet, I have already pointed out to him that since cows and other ruminants have four-chambered stomachs and the first chamber is purely a storage area, cows in fact by their very nature eat as fast and as much as they can and then move to a safe place to rest and chew their food. A herd member being "off its food" is often a farmer's main clue that he has a sick cow. A ruminant stomach is a poor analog to the human stomach for the sake of making a (nonsensical) medical point. :-) > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > two colors, white and brown, we can dismiss concerns about the ill effects of > black fat. To your own continued peril: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Thus, you will remain a downer: http://NoDowners.org with visceral adipose tissue (VAT or black fat) which is known to be pathological: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat May others be smarter than you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart May we, who have stopped sinning though we remain sinners, continue to pray for your perishing soul: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDon Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow > And since we've already learned in this newsgroup that mammalian fat comes in > two colors, white and brown, we can dismiss concerns about the ill effects of > black fat. The truth of the matter is easily found in a Google search for > the > color of human fat. But, Chung does not "think" that way - facts and the scientific method are irrelevant to discerning, the Holy Spirit, as per Chung (APC) and knowing what God (APC) wants. The Oracle of Mableton (OOM) is above facts and science and has a direct line to the Holy Spirit and God and cannot be bothered with mundane things that we mere mortals are stuck with in our erroneous thinking. http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppet It seems to me I heard somewhere that zob wrote in article <l2rtu3dscj616i6f7e23sitclij93fvd0p@4ax.com>: >>It seems to me I heard somewhere that zob wrote in article >><37atu3teh1jc8u74sg70a45ggb44chuibf@4ax.com>: [. . .] >>>Since the angioplasty I feel better and have more energy than I've had >>>in years. My only real concern has been the prospect of eventually >>>stopping Plavix with the drug exuding stents. Guess I'll just wait >>>and express my concerns to the cardiologist at my August appointment. >>Welcome, Zob. You sound like you've brought a breeze of fresh air in here with >>you. :-) [. . .] >>To the extent either of you can handle exercise, I'd sure urge you to get into a >>routine of some kind; it doesn't have to be hard or intense, but it needs to be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>Fortunately, my first cardiologist was also a runner, and he had me walking >>about two weeks after each stenting session, and running soon after that. >Your story makes me wonder about something. They always recommend >exercise for heart rehab. But when someone is already exercising -- [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >that there's still a way to beat the genetic predisposition with the >right nutrition, exercise and meds. Natural enough questions. My interpretation is that, like many things in life, there is only risk reduction, not risk elimination. For instance Jim Fixx, a well known runner a few decades ago, wrote a lot about running for health, but he disregarded symptoms and the fact that his own father had died of heart problems at an early age, and he died during one of his runs. OTOH, my own first cardiologist (and the best of the ones I've had) told me my running background probably played a large part in how mild my attack was and how quickly and completely I recovered from it. And while genetics is IMO never the sole determinant of physiological outcomes, it does play a part. My oldest brother died in his forties of heart disease. The rest of my siblings are on various cardio treatment programs, and my oldest surviving brother now in his mid-eighties has had bypasses. My father made it into his eighties as well, but had a number of small attacks along with general decline because of his heart. I haven't beaten the genetic odds, but I've turned them in my favor, I believe. "THE first symptom of heart disease is sometimes sudden death. Never was that fact made clearer than in the ironic death last week of James Fixx, whose best-selling book ''The Complete Book of Running'' led tens of thousands to take up jogging and made him a guru of the running world. Mr. Fixx, whose transition from a heavy young man who smoked two packs of cigarettes a day into a trimmer, middle-aged nonsmoking athlete seemed to insure a healthy life, died at the age of 52 while jogging in Vermont." 1954; http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9E07E4DB1E39F937A15754 C0A962948260 > For instance Jim Fixx, a > well known runner a few decades ago, wrote a lot about running for health, > but > he disregarded symptoms and the fact that his own father had died of heart > problems at an early age, and he died during one of his runs But Jim Fixx stilled lived a lot longer than his father and males in his family. He was probably never going to live to a "ripe old age," but his running, helped him live longer. Today, he would probably even live longer. Physical activity is an important part of life. It seems to me I heard somewhere that J666 wrote in article <0001HW.C4150CCE0001223BF0488530@news-server.rgv.rr.com>: >> For instance Jim Fixx, a >> well known runner a few decades ago, wrote a lot about running for health, >> but >> he disregarded symptoms and the fact that his own father had died of heart >> problems at an early age, and he died during one of his runs >But Jim Fixx stilled lived a lot longer than his father and males in his >family. He was probably never going to live to a "ripe old age," but his >running, helped him live longer. Today, he would probably even live longer. >Physical activity is an important part of life. True. I should have noted that, but I was trying to be concise. > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > True. Actually, there are no randomized controlled trials (RCTs) that show that regimented exercise extends life like eating less, down to an optimal amount, does. This simply shows that you are not among the discerning. Not surprising since the Holy Spirit has convicted you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts You really do not have much longer, dear Don: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy May we, who are discerning, continue to pray for your perishing soul: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDon Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow > Actually, there are no randomized controlled trials (RCTs) that show > that regimented exercise extends life like eating less, down to an > optimal amount, does. Hmmm ... so there must be studies that show that "eating down ..." does extend life - just in which medical/scientific journals are those published and what in those studies is the method of "eating down ...." - is your 2PD studied in those studies From what you have said in the past, there are evidently no RCTs that show the 2PD does extend life so then that should be treated the same as your 2PD. If that it is not important for your 2PD, then likewise not important for exercise. I will expect your usual "meaningless links to nonsense" or talk about discerning which backs up your claims about the 2PD and not exercise due to the fact that you know exactly what God wants as opposed to everyone else. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Quacksatan is still http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan forevermore http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Alpha_Omega <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 A simple parable for the wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:56:05 -0500, Andrew Obvioulsy no answer or even response so everything that was not "meaningless links to nonsense" in response to my question have been snipped leaving: On Mar 30, 4:04�pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: . . . > Actually, there are no randomized controlled trials (RCTs) that show > that regimented exercise extends life like eating less, down to an > optimal amount, does. > > This simply shows that you are not among the discerning. . . . Dr. Chung, Thank you for giving us a standard by which to measure the validity of medical claims, "randomized controlled trials (RCTs)" Please provide the link to the randomized controlled trials which provide the data to support your 2pd-OMER theory. If you simply provide the journal cite so those with academic access can read the paper. Obviously without such evidence there is no prooof that the 2pd-OMER is of benefit to those using it. Failure to provide documentation of the randomized controlled trials will be proof "that you are not among the discerning." according to standards published above by Dr. Chung MD/PhD . JS > Obviously without such evidence there is no prooof that the 2pd-OMER > is of benefit to those using it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > JS Very logical, but you have to realize that either Chung with his mentality does not realize that or he does not care. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Fraudsatan is still http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan forevermore http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Alpha_Omega <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 A simple parable for the wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Marana tha Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow > Thanks for the link. After what I've been reading, it looks as if it > might be prudent to stay on Plavix for the rest of my life also. At [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Zob Sounds like you are doing pretty well. Here are my stats: Male, age 52 when I had my attack. I smoked almost continiously since I was a teenager, and was up to a full 2 packs a day. I was 6'4" and about 285 lbs. At times I had been in the 290's. My job has me on my feet most of the day, with some occasional heavy lifting. Total Cholesteral as of DOA was 197 with LDL in the 120's, HDL 39. I also had HBP, 140/80's mostly. Upon discharge from the hospital, I was put on: Plavix 75mg, Benecar 20mg, Toprol 25mg, Lipitor 80mg, Ecotrin 325. I also went on Chantix, and have not had a single smoke since. I used to drink tons of whole milk, use boatloads of butter, 1/2&1/2, some fried foods, pastries for breakfast, classic American bad diet. Blood test 12/08/07 Total Ch 88, HDL30, LDL45, TG64. Dr cut my Lipitor to 40mg & added Niaspan 500 to try & bring HDL up. I took a 36 session Cardiac Rehab program, and started also exercising on a treadmill & eliptical at home every morning. I got down as low as 256 in early Feb, the last day of rehab. Since then I have climbed back up to about 263. I'm eating lots of yogurt, berries, apples, oranges, whole wheat crackers, flax seed, avacados, walnuts, salmon, and lots of other stuff I have read to be helpfull in raising good HDL's. I go for another blood test next week, and hope to see the HDL's up. I started having pretty serious memory lapses, which peaked in early March. On 3/14 I saw my Dr again, and he took me off Lipitor & put me on Crestor 10mg. I feel my memory situation & brain farts have improved much since then. Best of luck to you Zob! David >> Thanks for the link. After what I've been reading, it looks as if it >> might be prudent to stay on Plavix for the rest of my life also. At [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > >David Thanks David, good luck to you also. I hope you see that increase in your HDL when you have that next test. We're very similar; I was (and am) 56 years old when I had my incident; in October; height 6'2" and weight was 270. I'm now down to 220. I didn't have a heart attack but very close to it. I went to the ER in October in severe atrial fibrillation (the top chambers were just quivering, not beating) and tachycardia. The cardiologist on duty diagnosed "ACS" (Accute Coronary Syndrome, which I later figured out is a generic term whenever they don't know what's really wrong). They immediately put me on IV heparin because of the a-fib -- and the fact that I had had an ischemic brain stem stroke ten years ago at 46 yo. My condition spontaneously stabilized -- heart beat and rate suddenly went back to normal a couple of hours later, and an EKG at that time was completely normal. The cardiologist on staff strongly recommended an angiogram because they didn't know what had caused the ACS,and the catheterization showed an 85% blockage in the Circumflex coronary artery, and 95% blockage in the RCA. I was very lucky; I had no idea that I had a heart problem at all up to that point. They transferred by ambulance me to an excellent local heart hospital and pushed me to the front of the line for the angioplasties and stent insertions. It seemed to all happen fast; I guess that's the way it is for everybody. I've been lucky insofar as I've had no apparent side effects at all from any of the medications I'm taking, other than a slow heart rate (50 - 55) from a beta blocker. I actually had problems with my memory before the angioplasty and statins, and my memory has improved tremendously. I was always tired and fuzzy-headed; I really don't think I was getting enough oxygen to my brain before. I just plain hate taking all these medications, and am willing to do whatever I have to - or at least can do - to get off some of them. Besides the weight loss, I have started an exercise program as you suggest. (Even though I'e been taking hefty doses of Niaspan, my HDL is also too low @ 38. I've been told that exercise is about the only way to increase it.) I've began with light stretching and walking, and am very gradually working my way up to increasing my heart rate. I'm also combining the cardiac rehab exercises with physical therapy exercises for some relatively minor residual effects of my old stroke. I also used to smoke 2 packs a day, but I wouldn't recommend to anybody quitting the way I did: 3 months in a stroke unit after a major brain stem CVA is *not* the way to do it! I did make a remarkable recovery from that, though, and went right back to work in my rather stressful job as a hotel GM. Sorry for rambling on here ... I'm not used to talking about my physical problems because I don't like to "give them power." I see the ACS and angioplasty as just another challenge to face and overcome. We all do what we have to do to keep going, and I honestly believe that a positive attitude goes a long, long way towards overcoming these challenges. Zob ----- Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic > I came here for information and advice because I had an angioplasty > with three DES inserted in my circumflex and RCA last October. iI'm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Is this actually a newsgroup about cardiology? LOL. I came here becasue my ldl is alway a little high. I have too much fun with chung to leave. Chung is an MD w/ a specialty in cradio, who went off the mental rails. He thinks he was murdered by the police in 1997 and then was resurrected, just like jesus. The rest you can fill in by reading two or three of his posts. You don;t need any more becasue they're so repetitious. Good luck on getting any useful info that you can reliably act on... You might just want to do web searchs in Goggle, and Google Scholar. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan http://HeartMDPhD.com/DespairingChung On Mar 29, 3:28 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan Chung now describes himself as "Despairingsatan". > I came here for information and advice because I had an angioplasty > with three DES inserted in my circumflex and RCA last October. Sad to read that you have occlusive coronary disease. > iI'm > doing great, but based on the latest studies I have concerns about > going off of Plavix in a few months as my cardiologist has suggested. You are not alone in having such concerns. Would suggest you get a second opinion about whether it would be prudent to stop the clopidogrel in your specific case. > But I'm wondering if I came to the wrong NG. All I see are posts > arguing about religion. This is unmoderated usenet afterall. > Is this actually a newsgroup about cardiology? As long as there is at least one real cardiologist participating in this newsgroup, the answer to your question will be an affirmative. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:58:25 -0500, Andrew did spew: > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Nothingness >> Is this actually a newsgroup about cardiology? > > As long as there is at least one real cardiologist participating in > this newsgroup, the answer to your question will be an affirmative. Andrew, you are not a "real cardiologist." You're a burned out mentally ill shell of a man who used to be a bright cardiologist. And as long as you remain licensed in your mental state, you're a dangerous person. Hope you get your life on track someday and are able to use your education and training to do some good. >>> Is this actually a newsgroup about cardiology? >> As long as there is at least one real cardiologist participating in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > get your life on track someday and are able to use your education and > training to do some good. If you are correct, the best way to help him would be to leave him alone. You should encourage others to do so as well.  Signaturemonkfish > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > If you are correct, There is nothing correct about satan: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Erroneoussatan Suggested reading: http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow http://HeartMDPhD.com/ErroneousChung >>>> Is this actually a newsgroup about cardiology? >>> As long as there is at least one real cardiologist participating in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You should encourage others > to do so as well. Given that you're about as loopy as Andy you're not in much of a position to offer advice. http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppet > http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppet http://wanger-is-spun.com/BS-387-day-fast/nopatients/nooffice.chung It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <62400758-a37b-471a-a9da-cf074c9a6103@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>: >> But I'm wondering if I came to the wrong NG. All I see are posts >> arguing about religion. >This is unmoderated usenet afterall. And this is the good doctor's common sense and respect for community values on display. >> Is this actually a newsgroup about cardiology? >As long as there is at least one real cardiologist participating in >this newsgroup, the answer to your question will be an affirmative. Now if we could just find one **real** cardiologist, not one with no active practice and no interest in scientific medicine, it indeed would be an affirmative. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDon >>As long as there is at least one real cardiologist participating in >>this newsgroup, the answer to your question will be an affirmative. > >Now if we could just find one **real** cardiologist, not one with no active >practice and no interest in scientific medicine, it indeed would be an >affirmative. I remember some "real" cardiologists contribute here at smc, however, they left a long time ago thanks to the verbal dysentery posted by Dr. Chung. MP http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren > http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren Thanks for running off all the "real" Cardiologists Wanger. http://Wanger-needs-Thorazine/and-a-350-pound-nurse/immediately On Mar 29, 5:58�pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: Have you no decency, Dr. Chung? "zob" posted a question in SMC you, without zob's permission then sent that message to 4 other groups alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.christnet.evangelical, alt.messianic, alt.christnet.theology zob was seeking medical information and you decided to throw him or her into your little ego spamming net. zob there are some folks who post in SMC who have much experience and knowledge. always consult with your doctor before following any advice given here. Do not let one jerk keep you from folks who can help you. Also be aware --if you are new to groups that Dr.Chung will add irrelevant groups to if he replies to you. Please delete them if you respond to him. JS http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppet >On Mar 29, 5:58?pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" ><heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >JS I won't respond to him; one of the best features of my Agent newsreader is the ability to filter out crossposted messages. Once I set it to not download any messages that are crossposted to 2 or more groups, the last of Chung's posts disappeared. The only way I'll see anything he writes is when it's quoted in someone else's post. :) I'm not new to newsgroups; I've been an usenet poster for about 10 years. I actively post in several other NG's unrelated to health (as well as a diet NG with a different username). I'm pretty thick skinned but I've learned that the best way to deal with the trolls is to ignore them as much as possible. I know it's hard to do sometimes. I appreciate your advice, JS. Zob ----- Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.christnet.evangelical, alt.messianic, > >alt.christnet.theology It seems that being the uncovered lamps of LORD Jesus Christ bothers satan most terribly. Good. > >zob was seeking medical information and you decided to throw him or > >her into your little ego spamming net. This remains unmoderated usenet afterall. > >zob there are some folks who post in SMC who have much experience and > >knowledge. always consult with your doctor before following any > >advice given here. No specific medical advice has been given here. > >Do not let one jerk keep you from folks who can help you. Name-calling is lying. Lying remains satan's native language. > >Also be aware --if you are new to groups that Dr.Chung will add > >irrelevant groups to if he replies to you. Actually, cross-posting glorifies LORD Jesus Christ. "You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:14-16) Amen. > > Please delete them if you respond to him. That would be what satan would desire of all Christians. > I won't respond to him; one of the best features of my Agent > newsreader is the ability to filter out crossposted messages. Once I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > skinned but I've learned that the best way to deal with the trolls is > to ignore them as much as possible. I know it's hard to do sometimes. It is now little wonder why you had your doubts about SMC being a cardiology newsgroup when you were filtering out the only real cardiologist who has been participating here on a regular basis over the past 11 years: http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 A simple parable for the wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <8a94ff25-5a4b-43d4-b888-8aee0025af8d@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>: >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: >>>J Clement wrote >> >Have you no decency, Dr. Chung? >> >"zob" posted a question in SMC you, without zob's permission then >> >sent that message to 4 other groups >> >alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.christnet.evangelical, alt.messianic, >> >alt.christnet.theology >It seems that being the uncovered lamps of LORD Jesus Christ bothers >satan most terribly. >Good. Appropriating another writer's message without permission is stealing which the last time I heard was not considered glorifying to God. >> >zob was seeking medical information and you decided to throw him or >> >her into your little ego spamming net. >This remains unmoderated usenet afterall. The founders and original users of Usenet were mature adults who respected each other's rights and opinions. You have obviously and consistently chosen to follow a different path. >> >zob there are some folks who post in SMC who have much experience and >> >knowledge. always consult with your doctor before following any >> >advice given here. [. . .] >> >Also be aware --if you are new to groups that Dr.Chung will add >> >irrelevant groups to if he replies to you. [. . .] >> I won't respond to him; one of the best features of my Agent >> newsreader is the ability to filter out crossposted messages. Once I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >cardiologist who has been participating here on a regular basis over >the past 11 years: May I assume, then, that you are finally ready to share with us where you have real hospital privileges, the name and location of your real practice, and how regularly you see real patients, like real cardiologists do? http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDon > May I assume, then, that you are finally ready to share with us where you > have > real hospital privileges, the name and location of your real practice, and > how > regularly you see real patients, like real cardiologists do? I would not assume that even though assume is an a.s (Chung) before you (u) and me so it would be called a Chungume http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flounderingsatan is still http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan forevermore http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Alpha_Omega <>< Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 A simple parable for the wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow >I came here for information and advice because I had an angioplasty > with three DES inserted in my circumflex and RCA last October. iI'm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Is this actually a newsgroup about cardiology? Sorry Zob, it's pretty much been that way ever since I first came here with a question about two years ago. There is one individual who seems intent on preaching Jesus, and on a cardiology board, it's simply not appropriate. The sanity of this individual is also in question. Despite the best efforts of many, nothing has been done to quell this situation. However, there may be other newsgroups you can visit that are not flooded with constant posts about religion. Otherwise, spend some time on Google, I'm sure there are plenty of moderated cardiology support groups that do not tolerate such nonsense. Off topic BS is usually not tolerated on appropriately moderated internet discussion boards. Sorry you are having concerns about your medication, I can't answer your question and have not read the other posts so if you are not satisfied with the support you receive, I would urge you to use a search engine, you'll find a good support group eventually. I'm sure there are also places where you can post and get a practicing Cardiologist's opinion on your medication issues. Good Luck, M > I'm sure there are also places where > you can post and get a practicing Cardiologist's opinion on your medication > issues. Remember that most legitimate doctors are not going to give specific advice to a specific person on the internet, especially in the usenet. You may want to try and find a moderated group which can control off-topic discussion - but then you are at the mercy of the moderator as to what is acceptable and so certain views may be blocked depending on the moderator. >> I'm sure there are also places where >> you can post and get a practicing Cardiologist's opinion on your [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > discussion - but then you are at the mercy of the moderator as to what is > acceptable and so certain views may be blocked depending on the moderator. Actually, I did mention that he should consider finding a moderated group on the internet (not the usenet.) I should have mentioned though, that he is unlikely to find one where there is a practicing Cardiologist who is willing to openly answer questions and give feedback. I know there was at least one, I can't seem to find it though. As for the usenet, anyone can call themselves a dr. so you are right in that sense, I would stay away from that and stick with something like a vBulletin board that is moderated. I know of a great one for Neurology but not for Cardiology. >>> I'm sure there are also places where >>> you can post and get a practicing Cardiologist's opinion on your [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >and stick with something like a vBulletin board that is moderated. I know >of a great one for Neurology but not for Cardiology. I found this website the other day. It's made for a lot of interesting reading about CAD. It's always good to hear what others are going through, what they're doing about it, and how they're progressing. And also, to see what kinds of questions they're asking also. http://www.healthboards.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=65 Zob ----- Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic >> I'm sure there are also places where >> you can post and get a practicing Cardiologist's opinion on your medication [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >discussion - but then you are at the mercy of the moderator as to what is >acceptable and so certain views may be blocked depending on the moderator. Yeah, I'm not crazy about moderated groups for that reason. As far as the advice goes, I fully understand that doctors aren't going to give specific advice on medical issues on the usenet. I'm really looking for as much information to assimilate as I can get, and I do value others' opinons. I never just assume someone else's opinions are correct; however, the more viewpoints and common knowlege that I can gain the better it is for me, as I see it. I've googled a lot and already have piles of statistics and "facts" about what I've been through. But sometimes just having a conversation -- even on the usenet -- with somebody else who has been through something similar can be cathartic. And there's always the chance that I can pick up another piece of the puzzle. Zob ----- Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic > But sometimes just having a conversation -- > even on the usenet -- with somebody else who has been through > something similar can be cathartic. And there's always the chance > that I can pick up another piece of the puzzle. That is the great value of support groups. Good luck in finding some to help you.
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