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Chung Exposed - Science and Faith
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J666 - 25 Mar 2008 23:58 GMT Science versus faith flowchart from Chung's post
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.jesus.christ/msg/06e94253301fb76c
which cites:
http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/images/Science_verses_faith_flowcharts.jpg
which shows that faith and science are different. Going on the basis of the flow chart, the Chung, he himself, cites, the 2PD is faith and not science.
monkfish - 26 Mar 2008 01:48 GMT > Science versus faith flowchart from Chung's post > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of the flow chart, the Chung, he himself, cites, the 2PD is faith and > not science. So what?
~monkfish
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Mar 2008 08:02 GMT > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > So what? Simply shows that satan's sockpuppets have no free will to do anything but satan's will and obsess against the 2PD-OMER Approach, which is per GOD's design.
GOD invented science :-)
May you and other dear friends, brethren, and neighbors have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
Hunger is wonderful:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
... gone:
http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Sanity's Little Helper - 26 Mar 2008 12:32 GMT > GOD invented science :-) ..and thereby demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that: if there was any vestige of discernment on his part, such discernment has long since deserted him.
Science, of necessity, abandons God as a relevant entity, since God, as a figment of superstitious speculation, is thoroughly outside the realm of that which can be scientifically investigated, and can provide absolutely no explanations for any natural phenomena. Those who become obsessed with their own perverse desire to claim that this is not so, damage only themselves, and their own credibility, and no amount of credential-waving can alter that fact.
The 2PD-OMER approach/diet/whatever is a case in point. There is no evidence-based, precisely measured and observed basis for it, and references to scriptures render it a legitimate object of pure ridicule.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Mar 2008 14:28 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan
is still
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
Hunger is wonderful:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
... gone:
http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
J666 - 26 Mar 2008 14:45 GMT "I realize I can't begin to refute anything said here, so I'll simply post meaningless links to nonsense I spewed earlier." Chung
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.jesus.christ/browse_thread/thread/76885 6a9f7a454a8#
On Mar 26, 8:28 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow Smiler - 27 Mar 2008 05:48 GMT > Android Chung wrote: Nothing of any value.
Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
monkfish - 26 Mar 2008 18:03 GMT >> GOD invented science :-) > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > evidence-based, precisely measured and observed basis for it, and > references to scriptures render it a legitimate object of pure ridicule. Do you believe in Justice?
~monkfish
Sanity's Little Helper - 26 Mar 2008 23:08 GMT 26 Mar 2008:
>>> GOD invented science :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > ~monkfish Yes, why? Do you believe in truth?
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monkfish - 27 Mar 2008 00:23 GMT > 26 Mar 2008: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Yes, why? Do you believe in truth? Can you verify justice with science?
~monkfish
Sanity's Little Helper - 27 Mar 2008 10:10 GMT 26 Mar 2008:
>> on 26 Mar 2008: >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Can you verify justice with science? Duh! Can you say "forensic"?
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monkfish - 27 Mar 2008 17:45 GMT > 26 Mar 2008: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Duh! Can you say "forensic"? Your justice seems to be rather limited.
Can you verify love with science?
~monkfish
Sanity's Little Helper - 26 Mar 2008 23:09 GMT 26 Mar 2008:
>>> GOD invented science :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Do you believe in Justice? Yes. Why? Do you?
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monkfish - 27 Mar 2008 00:25 GMT > 26 Mar 2008: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Yes. Why? Do you? Not even sure what it is. How about you?
~monkfish
Sanity's Little Helper - 27 Mar 2008 10:23 GMT 26 Mar 2008:
>> on 26 Mar 2008: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Not even sure what it is. > How about you? The cornerstone of justice is the truth, and there are various methodologies for discerning the truth, none of which comprise faith and belief. The material substance of truth is evidence, which is a body of verifiable facts that are independant of any person's point of view.
Ever heard the Indian fable about the blind men and the elephant?
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Not authentic without this signature.
monkfish - 27 Mar 2008 17:51 GMT > 26 Mar 2008: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Ever heard the Indian fable about the blind men and the elephant? Ever heard of "victor's justice"?
Do you believe in "affirmative action"?
~monkfish
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Mar 2008 20:38 GMT satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > >> friend monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote:: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >>>> there was any vestige of discernment on his part, such discernment > >>>> has long since deserted him. As if you (satan) were ever discerning.
> >>>> Science, of necessity, abandons God as a relevant entity, since > >>>> God, as a figment of superstitious speculation, is thoroughly > >>>> outside the realm of that which can be scientifically investigated, > >>>> and can provide absolutely no explanations for any natural > >>>> phenomena. Lie.
Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be GOD.
Clearly you are the liar who is the source of all lies as described in the Bible:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Liarsatan
> >>>> Those who become obsessed with their own perverse desire > >>>> to claim that this is not so, damage only themselves, and their own > >>>> credibility, and no amount of credential-waving can alter that > >>>> fact. You (satan) have been projecting your own perversity:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Dirtysatan
> >>>> The 2PD-OMER approach/diet/whatever is a case in point. There is no > >>>> evidence-based, precisely measured and observed basis for it, and > >>>> references to scriptures render it a legitimate object of pure > >>>> ridicule. Lie.
The evidence has been publicly presented multiple times:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/Governor
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/2PD-OMER
http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHungryBook
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee/Criteria
This simply shows that you remain the liar who is the source of all lies:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Fakersatan
May the following simple parable help people understand your evil:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
So that they can then wisely choose to be smart:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
> >>> Do you believe in Justice? > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > belief. The material substance of truth is evidence, which is a body of > verifiable facts that are independant of any person's point of view. You (satan) failed to define justice.
This should not have surprised anyone:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan
Justice is the righting of wrongs that have been perpetrated by those who are not doing what GOD desires. The perpetrators are those who either have strayed from being in GOD's will or have never been in GOD's will.
May the following promote understanding of what it means to be in GOD's will:
http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight
Only those who know and understand the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, can elect to be used by HIM to bring about the justice which I know, most assuredly without doubt, HE enjoys (Jeremiah 9:24).
The truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, is not the cornerstone of justice but rather the Instigator/Enforcer of justice.
"I am the way and the truth and the life." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
Amen.
> Ever heard the Indian fable about the blind men and the elephant? Irrelevant, because GOD remains forever beyond your reach, satan, since HE cast you out of heaven:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Stupidsatan
... and so you are forever doomed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan
May we, who are Jesus' disciples continue to rebuke you at each GOD- given opportunity as GOD desires:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
Hunger is wonderful:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
... gone:
http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
J666 - 27 Mar 2008 21:07 GMT On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew
> Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be GOD.>
Science uses the scientific method - which is the method you no doubt used for your PhD thesis when you got your PhD.
So, until you can use the scientific method to prove God exists, then God is a belief and not a truth. Of course you have already referenced a cite which says there is no God.
No doubt if you respond rather than ignoring the question, it will be that you will simply post meaningless links to nonsense you spewed earlier.
You do seem to be getting in deeper and deeper - generally the best thing to do when you find yourself stuck in a hole is to stop digging. Pretty soon even your supporters, if there are any, who are not your sockpuppets, will have a hard time supporting you.
monkfish - 27 Mar 2008 21:40 GMT > On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > digging. Pretty soon even your supporters, if there are any, who are > not your sockpuppets, will have a hard time supporting you. You are mistaken about God. God is prior to the existence of all beings. God is prior to existence.
Do you have any idea what does that mean?
~monkfish
Father Haskell - 29 Mar 2008 06:17 GMT > > On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Do you have any idea what does that mean? It means you don't know, either.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Mar 2008 06:29 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 06:30 GMT >>> On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew >>> > Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > It means you don't know, either. It might mean that God is the mysterious creativity.
Isn't life marvelous?
 Signature monkfish
Father Haskell - 29 Mar 2008 06:33 GMT > >>> On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew > >>> > Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Isn't life marvelous? Yeah, isn't it.
Who created god?
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 06:47 GMT >>>>> On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew >>>>> > Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Who created god? God is not something that can be created.
It might be easier for you to comprehend if you think of God as the ultimate point of reference.
 Signature monkfish
Father Haskell - 29 Mar 2008 06:56 GMT > >>>>> On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew > >>>>> > Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > God is not something > that can be created. People create them every day.
> It might be easier for you to comprehend > if you think of God as the ultimate point of reference. Please phone a doctor, religion has turned your brains into a gelatinous substance resembling the insides of a ripe Hubbard squash.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Mar 2008 07:01 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Alpha_Omega
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 15:00 GMT >>>>>>> On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew >>>>>>> > Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > into a gelatinous substance resembling the insides of > a ripe Hubbard squash. Too difficult to understand? You can take an introductory course in theology or philosophy.
What's your field?
 Signature monkfish
Father Haskell - 02 Apr 2008 01:20 GMT > >>>>>>> On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew > >>>>>>> > Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > You can take an introductory course > in theology or philosophy. You really don't know, do you?
> What's your field? Charging doctors up the wazoo for plumbing repairs.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Mar 2008 06:54 GMT satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> Who created god? Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling you to unwittingly reveal that you have no understanding of what it means for GOD to be non-temporal.
This simply shows that GOD is the Source of all knowledge, wisdom, intelligence, and understanding so that without HIM, you are ignorant, unwise, stupid, and obtuse.
Laus Deo ! ! !
http://HeartMDPhD.com/LausDeo
Clearly you remain doomed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come, the Almighty." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:8)
Amen.
"It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 21:6)
Amen.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 22:13)
Amen.
HE is the Author of all reality including the alternate ones.
"I am the way and the truth and the life." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Amen.
May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD- given opportunity as GOD desires:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
Hunger is wonderful:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
... gone:
http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
news@buffy.sighup.org.uk - 29 Mar 2008 15:22 GMT In alt.atheism Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <andrew@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling > you to unwittingly reveal that you have no understanding of what it > means for GOD to be non-temporal. So god is like the undetectable elephants that live under the bed?
 Signature 2001 Census: 1 in 7 people in the UK is a declared atheist.
Lee - 29 Mar 2008 16:04 GMT > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > intelligence, and understanding so that without HIM, you are ignorant, > unwise, stupid, and obtuse. Why would not believing in HIM make you fat?
monkfish - 27 Mar 2008 21:51 GMT > On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > digging. Pretty soon even your supporters, if there are any, who are > not your sockpuppets, will have a hard time supporting you. You are mistaken about God. God is prior to the existence of all beings. God is prior to existence.
Do you have any idea what that means?
~monkfish
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Mar 2008 23:12 GMT > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed in despair: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > God is a belief and not a truth. Of course you have already referenced > > a cite which says there is no God. Usenet forgeries are worthless like satan is worthless:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan
> > No doubt if you respond rather than ignoring the question, it will be > > that you will simply post meaningless links to nonsense you spewed > > earlier. Clearly satan is not among the discerning.
> > You do seem to be getting in deeper and deeper - generally the best > > thing to do when you find yourself stuck in a hole is to stop > > digging. Pretty soon even your supporters, if there are any, who are > > not your sockpuppets, will have a hard time supporting you. Unlike satan, I have no sockpuppets:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
of
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Stupidsatan
> You are mistaken about God. It all started when archangel Lucifer unwisely blasphemed against the Holy Spirit thereby becoming satan and it has been the pits of hell ever since:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Crazysatan
> God is prior to the existence of all beings. GOD is prior to all time because HE created time.
> God is prior to existence. GOD is non-temporal.
HIS existence is not dependent on time.
HE is timeless.
Instead, time's existence is dependent on HIM.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 22:13).
LORD Almighty GOD remains sovereign.
> Do you have any idea what that means? Yes.
Our dear Jesus is KING of kings and LORD of lords (Revelation 19:16).
We expect satan to lie about this to his bitter end when he is thrown into the lake of fire as it is written (Revelation 20:10):
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Paul Hands - 27 Mar 2008 23:19 GMT You are pathetic - god is existenceless.
monkfish - 27 Mar 2008 23:56 GMT > You are pathetic - god is existenceless. I guess your imagination is too limited to handle "something" that is prior to existence.
Isn't all space wet to the fish in the ocean?
~monkfish
Sanity's Little Helper - 28 Mar 2008 12:27 GMT monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in news:JeydnWOir- iGu3HanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on 27 Mar 2008:
>> You are pathetic - god is existenceless. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ~monkfish So, your entire belief system is a giant appeal to solipsism, therefore, you are a figment of your own imagination, and are of no significance to anybody else.
Suits me!
 Signature David Silverman D.B.E. BAAWA aa #2208 Lord Mayor of Dis Lawful copyright holder of the term "Earthquack". Holder of rights to the stage musical "The Shining".
Not authentic without this signature.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Mar 2008 13:46 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan
Mike Mordant - 28 Mar 2008 16:35 GMT On Mar 28, 7:46 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan You should have studied theology at Emory.
But then again, you absolutely lack the humility to be truly teachable.
monkfish - 28 Mar 2008 18:48 GMT > monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in news:JeydnWOir- > iGu3HanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on 27 Mar 2008: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Suits me! Ever heard of ontology?
~monkfish
Sanity's Little Helper - 29 Mar 2008 00:30 GMT 28 Mar 2008:
>> monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in news:JeydnWOir- >> iGu3HanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on 27 Mar 2008: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ever heard of ontology? Yes. Ever heard of dialectical materialism?
 Signature David Silverman D.B.E. BAAWA aa #2208 Lord Mayor of Dis Lawful copyright holder of the term "Earthquack". Holder of rights to the stage musical "The Shining".
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J666 - 29 Mar 2008 01:05 GMT GOD is timeless so if He, or She, wore watch, that would solve the problem, that is, if S/He exists.
Maybe God, if S/He exists, is a Shemale
Father Haskell - 29 Mar 2008 01:55 GMT > GOD is timeless so if He, or She, wore watch, that would solve the > problem, that is, if S/He exists. > > Maybe God, if S/He exists, is a Shemale No one can prove S/He wasn't one.
dzho - 29 Mar 2008 02:15 GMT >> GOD is timeless so if He, or She, wore watch, that would solve the >> problem, that is, if S/He exists. >> >> Maybe God, if S/He exists, is a Shemale > > No one can prove S/He wasn't one. Just curious, but what reason is there to thing that gender applies to God?
J666 - 29 Mar 2008 03:10 GMT On Mar 28, 8:15 pm, dzho
>Just curious, but what reason is there to thing that gender applies to God? I suppose "Our Father who art in ..." and the Trinity - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Bible was written by men before there was woman's lib. But there is no reason God, if s/he exists, could not be a female.
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 03:30 GMT > On Mar 28, 8:15 pm, dzho > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > woman's lib. But there is no reason God, if s/he exists, could not be > a female. Is your space-time continuum curved? Is your credit green?
You do believe in money, don't you?
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dzho - 29 Mar 2008 14:57 GMT > On Mar 28, 8:15 pm, dzho > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > woman's lib. But there is no reason God, if s/he exists, could not be > a female. Well, what if adjectives like "infinite" come into play [1]? If you're infinite then you don't have a body, which would include sexual organs, hormones, etc. Words like male and female would then be out of place. We would only be using them because we need some sort of reference like that.
[1] Granted, if "omniscient" is one of those adjectives, my wife would deny the male gender.
J666 - 29 Mar 2008 16:08 GMT
> Well, what if adjectives like "infinite" come into play [1]? If you're > infinite then you don't have a body, which would include sexual organs, > hormones, etc. Why can't an infinite have a body - couldn't God do anything S/He wants.
dzho - 29 Mar 2008 16:37 GMT > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 8:57:07 -0500, dzho > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Why can't an infinite have a body - couldn't God do anything S/He wants. Because there's a logical contradiction there. A body is a finite thing. It has boundaries, limits.
That's not to define what God can or can't do, but it does define what we can say, and when we start saying meaningless things.
J666 - 29 Mar 2008 17:01 GMT
> Because there's a logical contradiction there. A body is a finite thing. > It has boundaries, limits. > > That's not to define what God can or can't do, but it does define what > we can say, and when we start saying meaningless things. But God could still have sexual powers, male and/or female.
We define ourselves in terms of "sex" and so we tend to define God likewise, but do not have to. So we would need to refer to God as He, She or It. I somehow think It would not go over in a big way and since men wrote the Bible, they decided God was a He and not a She or It.
So we can define God as He, She or Shemale or It.
Why don't we use the term "It" as that removes this question of the sex of God.
dzho - 29 Mar 2008 17:19 GMT > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:37:29 -0500, dzho > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > But God could still have sexual powers, male and/or female. Ok, maybe I'm missing your point. In what way would it make sense to say that an infinite being has sexual powers, given that "sexual powers" is an attribute of finite human beings?
> We define ourselves in terms of "sex" and so we tend to define God likewise, > but do not have to. So we would need to refer to God as He, She or It. I > somehow think It would not go over in a big way and since men wrote the > Bible, they decided God was a He and not a She or It. Personally, I think there's more to it than just that (although that's probably one reason). In human terms, male and female had certain well defined relationships. The male was the provider, the leader, the father. I don't mind if you want to say that's outmoded, but I think things were revealed that way so that people could understand the relationship between them and God the way He wanted them to.
> So we can define God as He, She or Shemale or It. We can define God in whatever way we want, but our definitions are just that.
> Why don't we use the term "It" as that removes this question of the sex of > God. I like what Augustine said. If I can take some liberty paraphrasing him, whatever we say about God is wrong
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J666 - 29 Mar 2008 19:11 GMT > We depend on Him, He doesn't depend on us. That statement assumes the existence of a God.
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 19:42 GMT > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:19:11 -0500, dzho > >> We depend on Him, He doesn't depend on us. > > That statement assumes the existence of a God. Can we comprehend being without understanding nothingness? If not, does that mean we need to assume the existence of nothingness?
Can we comprehend anything without assuming anything?
If I say God is the frame of reference for all meaning, am I assuming the existence of God?
If God is the frame of reference for all meaning, can we even understand 'existence' without referring to God?
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dzho - 29 Mar 2008 21:01 GMT > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:19:11 -0500, dzho > >> We depend on Him, He doesn't depend on us. > > That statement assumes the existence of a God. Duh.
Sam Taylor - 30 Mar 2008 17:32 GMT >> >>> Because there's a logical contradiction there. A body is a finite thing. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> somehow think It would not go over in a big way and since men wrote the >> Bible, they decided God was a He and not a She or It. G-D is BOTH Male and female as was MAN in the Original creation "both male and female created He him" the male was predominate, but not exclusive. LATER G-D cut HIM in half to create Him as a them "both male and female created HE (G-D) them the He of Them said of Her She IS bone of My bone and flesh of My flesh He did NOT say of Her she is of similar bones and flesh but of the SAME bones and flesh. that is why G-D commanded Him before they became Them to multiply and procreate, because they could being then in the image of the 1 true G-D, but then He (G-D split them in half. note that the hebrew T'Slaw (rib) main definition the female part(s) not a bone. it was man who translated that asa bone not G-D
>Personally, I think there's more to it than just that (although that's >probably one reason). In human terms, male and female had certain well [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >We depend on Him, He doesn't depend on us. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Mar 2008 17:44 GMT Solus Scriptura cum Spiritus Sancti
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Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...
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J666 - 30 Mar 2008 17:54 GMT > G-D is BOTH Male and female as was MAN in the Original creation So God is hermaphrodite-like
Sam Taylor - 31 Mar 2008 22:38 GMT >> G-D is BOTH Male and female as was MAN in the Original creation > >So God is hermaphrodite-like G-D is NOT a perversion, but is both male and female, not a big giant male with an erect apendage, and a baseball bat ready to get anyone he doesn't like. G-D is beyond male and female HE and She are Achod one complete
Pastor Dave - 29 Mar 2008 03:33 GMT >Just curious, but what reason is there to think that >gender applies to God? Because He is always called "He".
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dzho - 29 Mar 2008 15:00 GMT >> Just curious, but what reason is there to think that >> gender applies to God? > > Because He is always called "He". That makes God male? I didn't know we could decide things like that just by using words inappropriately.
In fact, God is not always called "He". There are, in fact, people who call God "She". There are people who think all sorts of things about God. So what is God to do? Does He really have to live up to our misconceptions?
Pastor Dave - 30 Mar 2008 19:08 GMT >>> Just curious, but what reason is there to think that >>> gender applies to God? >> >> Because He is always called "He". > >That makes God male? He gave us His word. He knows.
>There are, in fact, people who call God "She". There are people who call God a paper cup. Just go to an A.A. meeting! That has nothing to do with God. God decides, not people!
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J666 - 29 Mar 2008 03:09 GMT On Mar 28, 7:55 pm, Father Haskell
> No one can prove S/He wasn't one.
Very good point - so God is a Shemale until they prove otherwise.
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 02:18 GMT > 28 Mar 2008: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Yes. Ever heard of dialectical materialism? Does it explain love?
~monkfish
Sanity's Little Helper - 29 Mar 2008 11:01 GMT Mar 2008:
>> 28 Mar 2008: >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Does it explain love? Why do you need an explanation for love? Are you a psychopath?
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Ben Cramer - 29 Mar 2008 11:43 GMT Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Mar 2008 11:53 GMT satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly hissed:
> GOD does not exist. HE not only exists...
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Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...
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Amen.
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Ben Cramer - 29 Mar 2008 12:01 GMT > Andrew B Chung (Noodle Nigger) despairingly hissed: GOD does not exist.
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... forever...
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monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 14:31 GMT >> Andrew B Chung (Noodle Nigger) despairingly hissed: > > GOD does not exist. In what sense?
Does science exist? Does government exist? Does money exist? Does self exist?
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John Locke - 29 Mar 2008 17:14 GMT >GOD does not exist. ..only in the deranged minds of the religious.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan
duke - 30 Mar 2008 13:59 GMT What evidence do you have for that?
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Mar 2008 14:26 GMT > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > > > GOD does not exist. > > What evidence do you have for that? He does not have any evidence.
Never has...
... never will.
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... by being hungrier:
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Hunger is wonderful:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
... gone:
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Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
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John Locke - 30 Mar 2008 18:10 GMT >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >He does not have any evidence. You religious zombies scurry around like cock roaches, spewing you're superstitious claims all over the planet.
Its your obligation to provide proof that "God" exists. You never have..not a shred of eveidence. And I suspect you never will.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan
J666 - 30 Mar 2008 18:26 GMT > Its your obligation to provide proof that "God" exists. You > never have..not a shred of eveidence. > And I suspect you never will. Seems they want to trust but not verify, but that is what faith is - believing in something you cannot verify.
Therefore asking a person of faith to provide proof, "does not compute" to them.
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is still
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forevermore
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<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
Hunger is wonderful:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
... gone:
http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Sanity's Little Helper - 29 Mar 2008 14:07 GMT sci.med.cardiology on 29 Mar 2008:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan I wasn't discussing anything with you, fucknuts. http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
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Smiler - 01 Apr 2008 00:09 GMT > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan Does he want to buy a watch? I've got this Rolex that I will sell him, if he comes and asks for it in person.
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J666 - 01 Apr 2008 01:00 GMT > Does he want to buy a watch? Say as fast as you can for as many times as you can say:
which wrist watch.
Smiler - 02 Apr 2008 01:05 GMT >> Does he want to buy a watch? > > Say as fast as you can for as many times as you can say: > > which wrist watch. Nah. Makes me sound like I imagine does, when he's 'writing' his replies.
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monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 14:28 GMT > Mar 2008: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Why do you need an explanation for love? Are you a psychopath? Why do you need an explanation for God? Are you a fool?
Shouldn't you be using God to explain everything?
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J666 - 29 Mar 2008 15:46 GMT On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 8:28:02 -0500, monkfish
> Why do you need an explanation for God? > Are you a fool? Some would think a fool is one who believes in God and does not need/want an eplanation because they accept God on faith.
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 16:21 GMT > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 8:28:02 -0500, monkfish > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Some would think a fool is one who believes in God and does not need/want an > eplanation because they accept God on faith. We have to start somewhere. Some are foolish enough to start with an awareness that barely lasts one hundred years. Others are foolish enough to start with a mind that can be perished by a bullet.
What else do you got?
Wouldn't it be wise to start with the ultimate point of reference?
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J666 - 29 Mar 2008 16:36 GMT On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:21:02 -0500, monkfish
> Wouldn't it be wise > to start with the ultimate point of reference? Why?
The idea that there is a God may seem wise or be comforting, does not make it so.
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 17:20 GMT > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:21:02 -0500, monkfish > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The idea that there is a God may seem wise or be comforting, does not make it > so. We have to start somewhere. Our awareness seems to be certain but clearly does not last that long. It even goes to sleep everyday. Our mind is so fragile as to go crazy if we don't eat for several days. Wouldn't it be better if we start with the ultimate frame of reference, whatever that might be?
So, let's call it God, and give it all the power it needs to help us understand life; until we know better, of course.
We can start by saying that the universe is created by a mysterious creativity that is prior to all existence. We are created in its "image". So, we can "listen" to it if we do so with humility and patience.
Got any better ideas?
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Cary Kittrell - 29 Mar 2008 18:16 GMT > > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:21:02 -0500, monkfish > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Got any better ideas? Well, my better idea would be simply to forego the self-indulgance of existential angst.
-- cary
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 18:24 GMT >>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:21:02 -0500, monkfish >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > -- cary Nobody is telling you to become a priest or a theologian. So long as you are not acting like one.
I'll be removing sci.med.cardiology from the header soon.
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Cary Kittrell - 29 Mar 2008 20:53 GMT > >>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:21:02 -0500, monkfish > >>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > to become a priest or a theologian. > So long as you are not acting like one. All right, I was too terse. Allow me, if you will be so kind, to raise my objections on a point-by-point basis, rather than merely going for the aphorism:
-- We have to start somewhere. Only if you feel a need to unscrew the inscrutable. One alternative is to accept, to live, and to live well. -- Our awareness seems to be certain Yes.
-- but clearly does not last that long. That's an assumption, but one I'm willing to go along with.
-- It even goes to sleep everyday. Research has shown a great deal of awareness during sleep, albeit shut off from external input. Much of the brain is in fact more active than during the waking state. But it doesn't seem to get written to short-term memory very well. But then I wax pedantic. Ignore this part.
-- Our mind is so fragile as to go crazy -- if we don't eat for several days. Well, no. -- Wouldn't it be better -- if we start with the ultimate frame of reference, -- whatever that might be? Well, if you feel the need to, all right. -- So, let's call it God, No. That term comes with so much preloading that I suggest we call It something that does not contain so many pre-assumptions. Let's call It, say, "Marmphy" instead. -- and give it all the power it needs -- to help us understand life; -- until we know better, of course. Why does we think Marmphy either cares, or if It does, requires us to give It power? Why would we think that Marmphy is remotely comprehensible? Why look to Marmphy for what you are after? Perhaps Marmphy, being the "ultimate frame of reference", is merely the Cosmic Microwave Bacground, in which case I doubt that anyone will be able to derive either purpose or morality or ressurance or meaning from It.
-- We can start by saying that -- the universe is created -- by a mysterious creativity -- that is prior to all existence. Um, let's not. This seems another uwarranted assumption, but this time one I'm not willing to play along with. -- We are created in its "image". Oh, man!
See why I mentioned all the associations that come along with the term "God"? The immense leap from "Some Thing created the universe" to "we're in It's image" is a clear case of baldly assuming your conclusion. -- So, we can "listen" to it -- if we do so with humility and patience.
-- Got any better ideas?
> I'll be removing sci.med.cardiology > from the header soon. -- cary
monkfish - 29 Mar 2008 23:23 GMT >>>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:21:02 -0500, monkfish >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] > a clear case of baldly assuming your conclusion. > If you don't like my imaginative reconstruction borrowed heavily from someone, feel free to create your own. But you do need a frame of reference for meaningful life, don't you? You do need to make value judgments sometimes, don't you?
How do you get value judgments from scientific facts and theories?
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