I ran across this article and thought it might be of interest.
Unfortunately it doesn't indicate when it was written.
John
Recent Studies Raise Questions About Effectiveness Of Radioactive Seed
Implantation
by William J. Catalona, M.D.
After a decade of being abandoned, the implantation of radioactive
seeds for prostate cancer has become popular again and is being
marketed aggressively in many places.
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Implantation of radioactive seeds was first popularized in the 1970s,
but the long-term results were unsatisfactory, at least in part
because the seeds could not be accurately placed by hand in the
prostate gland. Consequently, "seeds" were largely abandoned until
the late 1980s, when ultrasound guidance for seed placement was
developed.
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Now, two recent reports in medical journals have raised other
questions about the effectiveness of seeds as compared with radical
prostatectomy or external beam radiotherapy.
One report is from the Pacific Northwest Cancer Foundation in Seattle,
Washington, where ultrasound-guided seed therapy was popularized. In
the publication, Cancer, Dr. Haakon Ragde and his associates presented
10-year follow-up results in two groups of patients:
A low-risk group with low PSA, low Gleason grade, and low tumor stage
who were treated with seeds alone and a high-risk group with higher
PSA, higher Gleason grade and higher tumor stage who were treated with
seeds plus supplemental external beam radiotherapy.
The results showed that in the low-risk group, the percentage of men
who remained free from tumor recurrence (measured by their PSA
remaining at less than .5) decreased by 19 percent.
At 7 years of follow-up, 79 percent of the men remained free from
tumor recurrence. At 10 years of follow-up, 60 percent of the men
were tumor free. The tumor recurrence rate is the same as that
achieved with the old hand-held techniques of seed implantation in the
1970s.
Surprisingly, the tumor recurrence rate was higher in the low-risk
patients who received seeds alone than in the high-risk patients who
received both seeds and external beam radiotherapy. This finding
suggests that, even with ultrasound guidance, seed implantation alone
was not very effective.
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In another report in the Journal of the American Medical Association
from the Joint Center for Radiation Therapy at Harvard Medical School
and the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Anthony V. D'Amico compared
the results of treatment with seeds, external beam radiotherapy, and
radical prostatectomy at 5 years of follow-up.
For patients with low-grade tumors (Gleason 2-4), there was no
appreciable difference between the groups in tumor recurrence rate
after 5 years. However, for men with moderately (Gleason 5-7) or
poorly-differentiated (Gleason 8-10) tumors, patients treated with
seeds had a higher tumor recurrence rate than those treated with
either radical prostatectomy or external beam radiotherapy.
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Taken together, these studies suggest that, in the long term, seeds
alone may not be adequate treatment for many patients with early-stage
prostate cancer.
Leonard Evens - 14 Feb 2004 17:51 GMT
> I ran across this article and thought it might be of interest.
> Unfortunately it doesn't indicate when it was written.
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> alone may not be adequate treatment for many patients with early-stage
> prostate cancer.
I've never been a fan of seeds myself. But a couple of such studies
don't necessarily show anything. Other studies, admittedly by seed
enthusiasts, show equivalent results to RP. A lot can depend on just
how the therapy is done. One has to be careful not to compare apples
and oranges.
John - 14 Feb 2004 23:02 GMT
> > I ran across this article and thought it might be of interest.
> > Unfortunately it doesn't indicate when it was written.
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> how the therapy is done. One has to be careful not to compare apples
> and oranges.
I elected not to have seeds due to a number of reasons, but not
necessarily because this study. I am curious, what is the "apples and
oranges" comparison. Unless I am missing something this study,
however limited, is suggesting that even the low risk group may need
more than just the "seeds". The author of this article is very pro
traditional RP and also claims that LRP is no better and maybe less
effective in terms of nerve sparing. Of course I am a fan of LRP, but
I won't go so far to say it is better, just as good and maybe less
pain and recovery time.
Regards,
John
Leonard Evens - 15 Feb 2004 13:43 GMT
>>I've never been a fan of seeds myself. But a couple of such studies
>>don't necessarily show anything. Other studies, admittedly by seed
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> Regards,
> John
For comparisons to be valid, you have to be sure the patients in the two
studies are similar in all other relevant respects except for the method
of treatment. This is very hard to be sure of.
John - 15 Feb 2004 19:18 GMT
> >>I've never been a fan of seeds myself. But a couple of such studies
> >>don't necessarily show anything. Other studies, admittedly by seed
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> studies are similar in all other relevant respects except for the method
> of treatment. This is very hard to be sure of.
If you are really doubting the validity of the studies I suppose you
could write to them and request all of the statistical information.
I'm sure you know that nothing is 100%. My point in posting was only
for general information.
Leonard Evens - 16 Feb 2004 18:03 GMT
>>>>I've never been a fan of seeds myself. But a couple of such studies
>>>>don't necessarily show anything. Other studies, admittedly by seed
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> I'm sure you know that nothing is 100%. My point in posting was only
> for general information.
All these studies add to our knowledge. I was just suggesting some
caution in concluding that the use of seeds has now been definitively
shown to be inferior to RP or external radiation. Myself, I believe
from the evidence I've seen that such is the case, but I can't say that
my belief is based on strong evidence.
Alan Meyer - 16 Feb 2004 18:49 GMT
> >>>>I've never been a fan of seeds myself. But a couple of such studies
> >>>>don't necessarily show anything. Other studies, admittedly by seed
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> from the evidence I've seen that such is the case, but I can't say that
> my belief is based on strong evidence.
One of the wonderful things about clinical trials is that we can
find some to vindicate any conclusion we are pre-inclined towards.
I recently found a clinical trial report showing that brachytherapy + EBRT
was significantly more effective than brachytherapy alone. I went back
looking for it and found a different one claiming no statistically
significant
difference:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1
1104885&dopt=Abstract
This one says, if you're at intermediate or high risk, you need EBRT
+ brachytherapy:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1
2062601&dopt=Abstract
Going on the consensus view, it appears to me that more studies show
EBRT + brachytherapy is better than brachytherapy alone for Gleason >= 7,
but brachytherapy alone is as good for Gleason <= 6.
I found a number of studies, e.g., the following one, claiming that
brachytherapy alone or with EBRT, depending on study and population
do as well as RP, out to 10 years. I have been told by a radiation
oncologist (a biased source?) that this data is also good out to 15 years
and the first studies coming in at 20 years still show radiation holding up.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9
731904&dopt=Abstract
I suspect that much has to do with the skill of the doctor. A
radiation oncologist who aims the beams carefully or implants the
seeds accurately, and who uses an adequate dose, is going to have
better results than one who doesn't - just as a skillful surgeon is going
to have better results than a guy who only does RPs once in a while.
So, whoever you go to, surgeon or radiation oncologist, pick one that
knows what he's doing. [You can tell that can't you? Just ask him...
Hey, Doc, do you really know what you're doing?]
Alan
Alan Meyer - 14 Feb 2004 18:10 GMT
> I ran across this article and thought it might be of interest.
> Unfortunately it doesn't indicate when it was written.
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> alone may not be adequate treatment for many patients with early-stage
> prostate cancer.
I don't know what the story is on low Gleason score patients
who get seeds alone, but it doesn't surprise me that men
at higher risk (high Gleason and/or high PSA) also require EBRT.
One big problem is that the likelihood of cancer penetration beyond
the prostate gland itself is much higher with intermediate and high
risk patients. External beam radiation treats the area outside the
prostate. It is my understanding that implanted seeds do not.
Alan