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Agent Orange and Prostate Cancer

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Debbie Trujillo - 23 Jan 2004 22:32 GMT
Following is an excerpt from a posting in a Yahoo group about prostate
cancer that I am a member of.  Has anyone in this group checked this
out?

Those of you who were in the Vietnam War, and have since come down
with Prostate Cancer, should check into the VA for possible benefits.
I am 61, was in Vietnam in my early 20's and was diagnosed with an
early stage of Prostate Cancer at age 60 . I had a radical
prostatectomy . When you get a chance, call up the VA web site, check
the Compensation and Benefits site, and learn as much as you can about
exposure to Agent Orange. There is an on-line application form you can
use to apply if you think you are eligible for benefits. BUT - your
best bet to apply is to contact a person known as a "Service
Representative" through an organization such as the VFW (this is the
route I went). They will help you through the entire application and
benefit process. This is not a short term process. For me, it's taken
9 months, but I received word a few days ago that I will be getting
100% disability for 6 months (retroactive) and will receive 40% from
the 6 month period and at least  until my next VA exam (some recovery
has taken place and was VA adjusted). This could be a pretty good
chunk of change for you, but is small in comparison to the cancer
received from Agent Orange and the resultant long-term side affects
that are inherent with this operation. Check it out!!!
c palmer - 23 Jan 2004 23:37 GMT
what you said is very true, but here's the joker in the deck and i'm
fighting it right now and have been for almost a year.  

they say you have to be "in country" to be paid.  for someone in the
army, that usually is no problem.  for i was in the navy and i was on
land in danang and proving it has been an uphill battle.  we pulled in
twice and i did go on shore, but for the ones who cruised up and down
the country, they are not eligible - it sucks.  

it also sucks that the fine brave men in the air force who flew those
airplanes and landed in vietnam, but did not get out of the plane and
touch the land are also not eligible.  it's not right, but that's what
i've found out so far.  

but file the claim and see what they say.  i've had to go to my
congressman to get some of the records but most of them should be
de-classified now.  

hope this helps.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Beverley - 24 Jan 2004 01:57 GMT
My husband served in the US Air Force in Nam. Yes, we checked into it and
have received some benefits. Seems the money thing really varies from person
to person. But if any of the guys out here have served you need to check
into it. My husband's tour was so secretive that it didn't "exist" but he
was able to prove he was there because he received combat pay and he also
had kept some papers sort of as a memento. So with just a few scraps of
paperwork and the right code name for his mission it was easy to prove he
was there. Seems it was harder to prove that we are married. LOL His DD214
did not show Nam and he will "someday" in the "near" future a new DD214 with
Nam on it. This is strictly a USA thing and does not apply to our neighbors
to the North (or any UK) who also served with our men.
Bev

> Following is an excerpt from a posting in a Yahoo group about prostate
> cancer that I am a member of.  Has anyone in this group checked this
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> received from Agent Orange and the resultant long-term side affects
> that are inherent with this operation. Check it out!!!
Steve Kramer - 24 Jan 2004 10:03 GMT
Was anyone in Vietnam overtly?  It seems everyone here and everyone I talk
to was there covertly, including my uncle.  Of course, he wasn't technically
in Vietnam,  at least not South Vietnam.  Mostly Cambodia and Laos from what
he will talk about.

Hey, maybe that's why he doesn't have prostate cancer.  He was where it was
safe.

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> My husband served in the US Air Force in Nam. Yes, we checked into it and
> have received some benefits. Seems the money thing really varies from person
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> > received from Agent Orange and the resultant long-term side affects
> > that are inherent with this operation. Check it out!!!
c palmer - 24 Jan 2004 11:27 GMT
hi steve - they also said that we weren't in
laos, or cambodia, yet a friend of mine (navy) wasn't allowed to wear
his uniform where he was at and the gov't denied that he was ever in the
area mentioned above.  so, it goes back to my comment at the first,  why
would navy (suppose to be on sea) be on land and in another country?  

and why was i working yankee station search and rescue.  pilot goes
down, guess where i'm going?  and they wonder why i'm crazy.  

and my friends that were on the PBR's.   also in the navy and taking a
lot of lead.  not to mention some of CB buddies building runways of
there in the bush, dodging gun fire and snipers.  plus a couple of
buddies in the SEAL unit.  and yet, if you ask somebody about what the
navy did over there, people think they were out in the ocean, steaming
around.

and this doesn't include the bravest of them all - the corpsman.  a navy
person attached to the marine corp unit, has to met the same standards -
running, etc as the corp and go to the same places they do and will risk
his life to save everyone else.  yet, all this is navy and someone in
washington thinks these guys didn't pay enough and don't want to
compensate them now because they are coming down with the cancers
because they can't document where they were.  

yet, they are sending our money over to iran and iraq and rebuild
kuwait, and vietnam.  what happened to the money for g.i. joe?  let
alone, for his spouse that he left, when he died while filing the paper
work.

a canadian wrote a beautiful article that america sends help to all the
countries who are in need, whether it is hurricanes, tornadoes, floods,
earthquakes, starvation, war, even the threat of war, we are there.  and
yet the same gov't dare pass judgement on those same fellows who just
came back giving to their all to the cause and say " you don't qualify"

look at the how they have treated our gulf war vets.  they were ok when
they left, but look at some of them now.  and they aren't in their 50's
and 60's and developing prostate cancer ------yet.  what's the gov't
going to say then?

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
dale.j. - 24 Jan 2004 03:08 GMT
> Following is an excerpt from a posting in a Yahoo group about prostate
> cancer that I am a member of.  Has anyone in this group checked this
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> received from Agent Orange and the resultant long-term side affects
> that are inherent with this operation. Check it out!!!

I'm a member of DAV and I called them up but they did not seem too
interested so I kind of forgot about it.  It's a long time ago, memories
fade, and I'm kind of happy about that.

Dale J.

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Sandy - 24 Jan 2004 12:46 GMT
> > Following is an excerpt from a posting in a Yahoo group about prostate
> > cancer that I am a member of.  Has anyone in this group checked this
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> > received from Agent Orange and the resultant long-term side affects
> > that are inherent with this operation. Check it out!!!


My husband was in Vietnam (he was in the Army) and we have filed a
claim as well.  Initially, they questioned his DD214 since it did not
specifically stated Vietnam and his dates of service.  (although his
Vietnam service medal and vietnam campaign medals were listed as well
as his last duty assignment being "134th AVN APO 96215 USARV" which
also pinpoints his Vietnam address).
We were able to produce further documentation and his case is at
present being rated.  I must say, it has and still is quite a lengthy
process.  We initiated the claim in August 2003 and we are still
waiting but I'm told that 6-9 months is average.

Sandi
c palmer - 24 Jan 2004 20:01 GMT
hi sandi - i didn't mention this but on my DD-214, it is marked that it
was not in the vietnam area, but a couple of lines down states that  i
was awarded the vietnam service metal, the vietnam campaign medal, and
navy unit commendation.  

i was wondering if this would have been a sticking point, but so far,
they have not brought it up.

it's been 11 months since i filed.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
gourd_dancer - 25 Jan 2004 01:43 GMT
Curtis, your 214 was probably typed by a 19 year old who did not want to be
sitting in front of a typewriter......:)

Mike

> hi sandi - i didn't mention this but on my DD-214, it is marked that it
> was not in the vietnam area, but a couple of lines down states that  i
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
c palmer - 25 Jan 2004 02:05 GMT
hi mike - probably a lot of truth in what you said.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Sandy - 25 Jan 2004 02:37 GMT
> hi sandi - i didn't mention this but on my DD-214, it is marked that it
> was not in the vietnam area, but a couple of lines down states that  i
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional

Curtis,

I was told by one Veteran counselor that they were always trained that
the vietnam metals did not prove "in country" since many gentlemen
abroad received them that were not specifically in Vietnam.  All I
know is that they did not help us prove our case.

Also, we were told not even to bother requesting my husbands military
records since they were probably burned in the 1973 fire and even if
they had anything, it would take months - around 8 months.  Well, I
requested them anyway and less than  8 weeks later, I received all his
military records excluding his medical records only because they
reside at another facility.

For any of you gentlemen in need of your military records (including
DD214), there is an online military personnel request system which can
be accessed by going to http://vetrecs.archives.gov

Sandi
Beverley - 25 Jan 2004 03:51 GMT
It's been more than a year and we are still awaiting the new DD214 with
"updated" info. We were told it could take as much as 18 months.
Bev

> > hi sandi - i didn't mention this but on my DD-214, it is marked that it
> > was not in the vietnam area, but a couple of lines down states that  i
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Sandi
c palmer - 25 Jan 2004 09:43 GMT
i ran across this article - 30 years later after the vietnam war ended.
land mines have killed and maim 1270 people.  most occurred among
farmers working the fields.  

farmer Le Tat Ha and his son, Toan are examples of the impact of the
leftover explosives.  Ha accidentally hit a bomb with a hoe while
farming in june 1975 - two years after the war had ended.  the
explosion, which threw him more than 30 feet & broke his arms left
shrapnel embedded in his chest, arms and legs.

his son set off another explosion more than a decade latter while
tilling the fields as a teenager.  the fingers on his left hand were
blown off, making most farm work impossible.

Phan Quang as a farmer makes only $64 dollars a year decided that he can
make more money digging up land mines.   he lost many friends this way,
but he must accept the risk.  he earns 6.50 to 13 dollars for each land
mine he digs up.  

he said, "i know it is dangerous, but there's nothing i can do to earn
extra money to support my family.

---------------------------
it's not all one world

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Clyde Lomax - 26 Jan 2004 01:41 GMT
makes me wonder how many Vietnamese men have Prostate Cancer and all of the
other afflictions that we are getting some help with.

> i ran across this article - 30 years later after the vietnam war ended.
> land mines have killed and maim 1270 people.  most occurred among
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Sandy - 25 Jan 2004 13:46 GMT
> It's been more than a year and we are still awaiting the new DD214 with
> "updated" info. We were told it could take as much as 18 months.
> Bev


Bev,

There does seem to be quite a bit of disparity in how the VA works.  I
would imagine it would take longer to request an "updated" DD214 as
opposed to the original but still 18 months?  Thats outrageous!

My husband knows a gentlemen who filed a VA claim online for prostate
cancer related to agent orange and one month later he was approved!!
And here we sit almost 7 months later and we still know nothing - go
figure?!?

Sandi
Beverley - 26 Jan 2004 01:59 GMT
The "State" of Virginia (it's not a state but a commonwealth) has a Dept of
Veteran's Affairs. They have walked us through most of it. They actually
have been very good and making things happen quickly. We probably should
have filed for the updated DD214 through them but we did that before we
contacted them thinking we would need it.
Bev

> > It's been more than a year and we are still awaiting the new DD214 with
> > "updated" info. We were told it could take as much as 18 months.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Sandi
Bill N - 24 Jan 2004 09:45 GMT
>Following is an excerpt from a posting in a Yahoo group about prostate
>cancer that I am a member of.  Has anyone in this group checked this
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>received from Agent Orange and the resultant long-term side affects
>that are inherent with this operation. Check it out!!!

If the VA rates someone for a service connected disability and, God
forbid, that person dies from that disability then his/her spouse may
be eligible for DIC - Death Indemnity Compensation. ~$1000 per month.

Bill N
PAUL KRAUSE - 24 Jan 2004 12:30 GMT
thank you for that information. i to was in vietnam and came down with
prostate cancer. in fact when we were on an opration in vietnam, we
would see helicopters and c 130 planes spraying right over us. i will
check it out. welcome home vietnam vet.
Beverley - 25 Jan 2004 03:49 GMT
My hubby was keeping those C130's flying over your head.

Strangely enough I have a friend who sent me all the original info I had on
VA stuff and Agent Orange. Her hubby was directly sprayed (oh, we didn't do
that!) with AO to the point that his skin burned for days afterwards. So far
no PC but he is watched like a hawk! She was a military brat so she kept up
on the stuff. She sent me so much info because she has always felt it was
only a matter of time before her husband has some sort of something as a
result of his exposure to AO over there.
Bev

> thank you for that information. i to was in vietnam and came down with
> prostate cancer. in fact when we were on an opration in vietnam, we
> would see helicopters and c 130 planes spraying right over us. i will
> check it out. welcome home vietnam vet.
PAUL KRAUSE - 25 Jan 2004 12:50 GMT
bev, i don't know who gave you the info "that c-130 planes did not spray
ao on our soldiers in vietnam. i have been on alot of missions in
vietnam and observed the spraying. you might start a survey and find out
how many vietnam vets were expose to ao. about the veterans admin and
getting disability, they are political driven like any other govt org
and they are pressure to keep within their budget, by our wonder-ful
political leaders. the lower personnel do there best to help all
veterans. i hope every vietnam veteran who  has prostate cancer receives
some disability and this includes navy vets and air force vets, whether
they never set foot on vietnam soil, they deserve something.
c palmer - 25 Jan 2004 19:01 GMT
i agree with paul - i talked with one marine who said the same sandi's
husband did.  the AO burns the skin with a stinging sensation as he was
in the jungle.  

i guess the scary part was that he was 56, african american, and never
been checked for prostate cancer, and didn't know anything about AO.
that was two years ago.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
DanR - 25 Jan 2004 22:45 GMT
Don Cooly (www.coolyville.com) has a listserv dedicated to vets their
dealings with PCA (and several other listservs).  It too is worth
checking out.
DanR
 
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