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Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"

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awthrawthr - 04 Jun 2009 17:35 GMT
Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:

Imus: You know, I eat these habaneros peppers every day. Do you know
what a habaneros pepper is?...okay, it's the hottest pepper on the
planet...they are so hot...you know, I eat two or three of them every
day....they kill cancer cells.

Shieffer: How are you doing with that?

Imus: You know, actually the early indications are that we're making
tremendous progress with a completely holistic approach.

"We're making tremendous progress" - those are Imus's words.

On his morning broadcast on Wednseday Imus revealed that his pSA-3
score has dropped from 200 to 59. Previously, his c-reactive protein
and SED rate had dropped from "extremely high" to zero.

Here is the recording from his show which might remain archived for
one week:

http://www.wabcradio.com/Article.asp?id=1353288&spid=22807

Some folks have claimed I make up fictitious people. They can go
listen for themselves.
kaypeeoh - 04 Jun 2009 22:15 GMT
> Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Some folks have claimed I make up fictitious people. They can go
> listen for themselves.

This is the third instance I've read of someone with prostate disease
using habaneros.  But a search of medline and google scholar showed no
papers published that show burning your lips off can cure prostate
cancer.

kpo
Jan Drew - 04 Jun 2009 23:34 GMT
On Jun 4, 10:35 am, awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Some folks have claimed I make up fictitious people. They can go
> listen for themselves.

This is the third instance I've read of someone with prostate disease
using habaneros.  But a search of medline and google scholar showed no
papers published that show burning your lips off can cure prostate
cancer.

kpo

Source: Reuters
WASHINGTON, March 15 (Reuters) - 16 Mar 2006 00:33:22 GMT - Capsaicin, which
makes peppers hot, can cause prostate cancer cells to kill themselves, U.S.
and Japanese researchers said on Wednesday. Capsaicin led 80 percent of
human prostate cancer cells growing in mice to commit suicide in a process
known as apoptosis, the researchers said. Prostate cancer tumors in mice fed
capsaicin were about one-fifth the size of tumors in untreated mice, they
reported in the journal Cancer Research.

"Capsaicin had a profound anti-proliferative effect on human prostate cancer
cells in culture," said Dr. Soren Lehmann of the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center
and the University of California Los Angeles School of Medicine. "It also
dramatically slowed the development of prostate tumors formed by those human
cell lines grown in mouse models."

While it is far easier to cure cancer in mice infected with human tumors
than it is in human beings, the findings suggest a possible future
treatment. They also may offer a good excuse for men who like spicy food to
eat more of it. Lehmann estimated that the mice ate the human equivalent of
400 milligrams of capsaicin three times a week. That is about the amount
found in three to eight fresh habanero peppers, depending on how hot the
peppers are.

The capsaicin inhibited the activity of NF-kappa beta, a molecular mechanism
that helps lead to apoptosis in many cell types. Prostate cancer is the most
common malignant cancer in U.S. men. It is diagnosed in 232,000 men every
year and kills up to 30,000 of them. Worldwide, 221,000 men die every year
from prostate cancer.
Mark Probert - 05 Jun 2009 01:59 GMT
> > Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> kpo

Depends on where your lips are.
Bodie - 06 Jun 2009 17:54 GMT
That is NOT funny !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*rofl*

Nothing funny about Prostate Cancer atall.

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hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything
else thereafter. You will meet them doing various things with resolve, but
their interest rarely holds because after the other thing ordinary life is
as flat as the taste of wine when the taste buds have been burned off your
tongue."
Hemingway.

On Jun 4, 5:15 pm, kaypeeoh <kevinone...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 4, 10:35 am, awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> kpo

Depends on where your lips are.
dbu' - 04 Jun 2009 23:09 GMT
In article
<88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec9dd@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,

> Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Some folks have claimed I make up fictitious people. They can go
> listen for themselves.

Don really needs to see a doctor and get that treated soon, unless he
just feels like giving up altogether.
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awthrawthr - 04 Jun 2009 23:42 GMT
> In article
> <88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Don Imus is having his case overseen by two of the top urologists in
the US, according to Don's own words in the audio. One is at Columbia
University and the other is at UCLA. They are the ones who have
conducted the tests such as the c-reacive protein and SED rates which
are now zero, and the PSA-3 urinalysis which is moving dramatically in
the right direction,  down from 200 to now 59.

In other words, the physicians are observing and charting his cure -
my cure - instead of causing his demise.
Steve Kramer - 05 Jun 2009 15:34 GMT
Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen, nor
many details into Imus's treatment.

BEWARE OF FRAUDS.

Don Imus is having his case overseen - OVERSEEN? - by two of the top
urologists  - SURGEONS? - in
the US, according to Don's own words in the audio. One is at Columbia
University and the other is at UCLA -  I DON'T KNOW OF ANY 'TOP' UROS IN
THESE SCHOOLS -. They are the ones who have
conducted the tests such as the c-reacive protein and SED rates which
are now zero, and the PSA-3 urinalysis which is moving dramatically in
the right direction,  down from 200 to now 59.  - URNINALISYS?!?!?  AND I
KEEP GETTING STUCK WITH A NEEDLE!!!

In other words, the physicians are observing and charting his cure -
my cure - instead of causing his demise.  LIES, LIES, LIES.
awthrawthr - 06 Jun 2009 18:35 GMT
> Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen, nor
> many details into Imus's treatment.

What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
bestselling books.

It's apparent that the Imus's want to capitalize on my help. So at the
appropriate time I will send out a press release to expose their
little plan.

> BEWARE OF FRAUDS.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> the right direction,  down from 200 to now 59.  - URNINALISYS?!?!?  AND I
> KEEP GETTING STUCK WITH A NEEDLE!!!

Your doctor apparently isn't up to speed...and neither are you. A
simple Google of psa-3 would have prevented your embarrassment. Your
lack of awareness of this urine test calls into question your
declaration that there are no top urologists at UCLA (ROFL) or
Columbia. The PSA-3 urine test is more than twice as accurate as the
old PSA blood test.

> In other words, the physicians are observing and charting his cure -
> my cure - instead of causing his demise.  LIES, LIES, LIES.

Just because you make an unfounded accusation doesn't make it true.
The recording is clear. You just don't like the facts as they are. But
facts are stubborn things.
Steve Kramer - 07 Jun 2009 19:39 GMT
On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen,
> nor
> many details into Imus's treatment.

What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
bestselling books.

==>  It is not denial.  I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
in order to fill their pockets.
awthrawthr - 07 Jun 2009 22:08 GMT
> On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> ==>  It is not denial.  I loath crooks and liars,

In that case, you hate yourself.

but more so those who
> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments

Name one life saving treatment you are fond of...it has killed
thousands if not hundreds of thousands. You are so psychologically
wedded to nonsense that you have no clue as to what is good or bad.

Maybe you were scarred by your own choices, and it's too hard to admit
that you made a mistake. I've seen plenty of people who have gone
through the crap you think so highly of. In almost every case, they
age 10 years in the process of their ersatz 'cure.' That's not a cure
- it's mere survival. Some don't merely age - they are killed.

My cure can make a person feel younger and more energized WHILE they
follow the recipe. Yours kill and maim...make you puke your guts
out...loosen your teeth...crap your pajamas...pee in your
diapers...shall I go on? And yet you support this bizarre cruelty as
if it gives you a badge of merit.

It doesn't. After 90 years of this crap, if you still believe in it,
it makes you a fool, a stubborn fool.

> in order to fill their pockets.

Listen up, moron...and you are a moron because you need to be told so
many times...my recipe is FREE. I have posted it in this newsgroup
more than once. Maybe I should call you a liar because you KNOW my
recipe is FREE and yet you continue to make the same false charges.

Chuck didn't pay me a penny for the recipe. Jack didn't pay me a penny
for the recipe. Don Imus didn't pay me a penny for the recipe.

I wonder, do radiaoactive pellets, surgery or chemo make you so
ignorant that you can't remember my recpe is FREE!
Steve Jordan - 07 Jun 2009 23:35 GMT
On June 7, "awthrawthr" wrote to Steve K, in pertinent part:

> Name one life saving treatment you are fond of...it has killed
> thousands if not hundreds of thousands. You are so psychologically
> wedded to nonsense that you have no clue as to what is good or bad.

And on and on, more sneering at a man who is worth 20 of it.

This is the typical ploy of the True Believer. He's got all the answers,
and science is just a huge conspiracy against such selfless benefactors
as he. Anyone who is doubtful is unworthy, especially unworthy of the
slightest courtesy or consideration of the fact that the doubter is
struggling daily with a deadly, merciless disease.

We have all seen just such lawn fertilizer many times on these sites.
Drink your own urine. Don't wear shoes. Shoot up laetrile. Drink bleach.
On and on without a shred on science nor conscience.

I have said my say.

I recommend that this.....person....be left strictly alone to entertain
folks on the cross-posted sites. I have no further interest in it, and
neither should anyone else.

It will now proceed with its hateful tizzy against me. If I respected
it, I would pay attention.

Regards,

Steve J

"I am under no obligation to respect your beliefs. Respect is earned; it
is not an entitlement..."
-- Lionel Shriver
awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 15:03 GMT
> On June 7, "awthrawthr" wrote to Steve K, in pertinent part:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> This is the typical ploy of the True Believer.

You couldn't be more ironic. Despite 90 years of utter failure, killer
radiation and medicine has filled the graveyards and the nursing homes
with the dead and wounded. But you still believe. They wave a carrot
in front of you with new experimental promises that leave you with ED,
wet and soiled drawers, yet you defend it like it was ambrosia.

>He's got all the answers,
> and science is just a huge conspiracy against such selfless benefactors
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Drink your own urine. Don't wear shoes. Shoot up laetrile. Drink bleach.
> On and on without a shred on science nor conscience.

More irony. The 'bleach' is the poison they inject into your veins,
that can instantly make you fell like your head is going to explode.

> I have said my say.
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> is not an entitlement..."
> -- Lionel Shriver

You won't be missed.
Happy Oyster - 08 Jun 2009 07:55 GMT
>Listen up, moron...and you are a moron because you need to be told so
>many times...my recipe is FREE.

To jump from a skyscraper also is free.
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Mark Probert - 08 Jun 2009 02:02 GMT
> On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
> bestselling books.

Diedre Imus is an idiot. Period. Any schmuck can write a book.

> ==>  It is not denial.  I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
> in order to fill their pockets.
Bob Officer - 08 Jun 2009 02:46 GMT
>> On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Diedre Imus is an idiot. Period.

>Any schmuck can write a book.

Points to Edmond wollmann as proof.

>> ==>  It is not denial.  I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
>> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
>> in order to fill their pockets.

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Peter Bowditch - 08 Jun 2009 03:35 GMT
>> On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Diedre Imus is an idiot. Period. Any schmuck can write a book.

I've only written one book, but it was the biggest-selling non-fiction
book in Australia by far in the year it came out. I now expect much
more respect from quackery promoters due to my bestselling status.

>> ==>  It is not denial.  I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
>> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
>> in order to fill their pockets.

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KevysMom - 08 Jun 2009 14:48 GMT
> I've only written one book, but it was the biggest-selling non-fiction
> book in Australia by far in the year it came out. I now expect much
> more respect from quackery promoters due to my bestselling status.

You wrote a book about what?

> >> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Happy Oyster - 08 Jun 2009 19:42 GMT
>> I've only written one book, but it was the biggest-selling non-fiction
>> book in Australia by far in the year it came out. I now expect much
>> more respect from quackery promoters due to my bestselling status.
>
>You wrote a book about what?

About guys like you, I guess.

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Jan Drew - 09 Jun 2009 02:57 GMT
>>> I've only written one book, but it was the biggest-selling non-fiction
>>> book in Australia by far in the year it came out. I now expect much
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> About guys like you, I guess.

LOL!  KevysMom is a guy.
Poor Yappy oyster.
awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 05:13 GMT
> > "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Diedre Imus is an idiot. Period.

I'm no fan of her or her husband.

Any schmuck can write a book.

> > ==>  It is not denial.  I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
> > would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
> > in order to fill their pockets.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mark Probert - 08 Jun 2009 14:33 GMT
> > > "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Any schmuck can write a book.

Is this an example of poor quoting, or is it thermonuclear irony?
Jan Drew - 08 Jun 2009 05:27 GMT
On Jun 7, 2:39 pm, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
> bestselling books.

Diedre Imus is an idiot. Period. Any schmuck can write a book.

Could you please show us in Torah where the word *idiot* is approved of?
Where is your book?  Has he been disbarred?

> ==> It is not denial. I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
> in order to fill their pockets.
Steve Kramer - 07 Jun 2009 19:40 GMT
On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen,
> nor
> many details into Imus's treatment.

What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
bestselling books.

==>  I know what!  Give me Imus's email.  If I verify your story, I'll tell
all on every newsgroup.
awthrawthr - 07 Jun 2009 22:45 GMT
> On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> ==>  I know what!  Give me Imus's email.  If I verify your story, I'll tell
> all on every newsgroup.

Email me. I don't want everyone to have it. (awthrawthr  @  yahoo.com)
(without spaces)
Steve Jordan - 07 Jun 2009 23:38 GMT
On June 7, "awthrawthr" replied to Steve K:

> Email me. I don't want everyone to have it. (awthrawthr  @  yahoo.com)
> (without spaces)

Omigod, Steve, don't do it. It will then have your address to sell.

Regards,

Steve J

"A man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to believe."
-- Euripides
Steve Kramer - 08 Jun 2009 00:26 GMT
: On June 7, "awthrawthr" replied to Steve K:
:
: > Email me. I don't want everyone to have it. (awthrawthr  @  yahoo.com)
: > (without spaces)
:
: Omigod, Steve, don't do it. It will then have your address to sell.

The dumb a.s already has it.  I don't hide my name or my email and have, in
the past even given my phone number to frauds.
Steve Kramer - 08 Jun 2009 00:25 GMT
On Jun 7, 1:40 pm, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Skramer@cinci.rr.com
safire - 08 Jun 2009 06:31 GMT
> Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen, nor
> many details into Imus's treatment.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> University and the other is at UCLA -  I DON'T KNOW OF ANY 'TOP' UROS IN
> THESE SCHOOLS -.

There are so many things Kramer doesn't know. (Why does he think we care
what he does or doesn't know?) UCLA and Columbia are ranked #4 and #8 on
the list of best urology hospitals in the U.S. published annually by
USNWR, even before MD Anderson Cancer Center and way before Stanford.

http://tinyurl.com/n2fblk

BEWARE OF KRAMER.

He's a retired blue collar guy pretending to be a cancer specialist.
Clarence Crow - 08 Jun 2009 08:17 GMT
>There are so many things Kramer doesn't know. (Why does he think we care
>what he does or doesn't know?) UCLA and Columbia are ranked #4 and #8 on
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>He's a retired blue collar guy pretending to be a cancer specialist.

And I used to be the only guy that was in everyone's killlfile, due to
my irreverence! Thanks for taking the heat off!

You'll realise ALL the doyens of this ng are cancer professors and
acronyms are a must.

Blue sky outcomes are the fairy tales they feed on, so don't bitch
about anything whatsoever.

You'll do better with the tooth fairy!

-Please reply to group as my email addr is fake!

-Regards CC
awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 15:14 GMT
> > Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen, nor
> > many details into Imus's treatment.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> http://tinyurl.com/n2fblk

Priceless!

> BEWARE OF KRAMER.
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
kaypeeoh - 08 Jun 2009 15:59 GMT
>> ==>  It is not denial.  I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
>> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
>> in order to fill their pockets.

I imagine some will forego 'life-sustaining treatments' out of fear of
side effects while pointing to the small percentage of failed
treatments as their reason.   My wife developed breast cancer five
years ago.  She underwent a mastectomy and chemotherapy.  Post-chemo
she was prescribed Anzamet.  She had no side effects other than
temporary hair loss.  No vomiting, no weakness, no malaise while
taking Anzamet.   She went to work every day.  And after work she
helped me with building a 30 by 50 ft barn and hayloft.  Conventional
cancer treatments work more often than they fail.   What's wrong with
including habaneros along side conventional treatments?  The Anzamet
could have blunted the stinging pain of the capsaicin in the
peppers.

BTW, she's still cancer-free today.

kevin
awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 17:09 GMT
> >> ==>  It is not denial.  I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
> >> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> kevin

No, FDA-approved mistreatments do not work more often than they fail.
The stats have been fooled with almost as many times as the cost of
living figures put out by the government.

And to say they work when body parts are removed is to grant a
leniency that needen't be tolerated.

If the person's hair has fallen out it means their digestive trac has
also been abused.

You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
it, too.
Happy Oyster - 08 Jun 2009 19:55 GMT
>You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
>stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
>it, too.

That you cured yourself is a fairy tale.

That others cure themselves the same way, too, is a lie.

I have a list of 150 persons who died because they believed a murderous death
sect:

  http://www.totenliste.info

More about the background:

  http://www.deathsect.com

Now back to you: You are posting claims without any proof. There is a guy in
Germany who claims that he had leukaemia 10 times. And that everbody should have
leukaemia. And that he cured himself by following Hamer'd rules of the
"Germanische Neue Medizin". That is exactly that murderous sh.t which cost
several hundred persons their lives already, and 150 of these are in my above
mentioned list.

And do not forget: I have 3 domains running for this topic:

  http://www.todessekte.de
  http://www.deathsect.com
  http://www.secte-de-la-mort.net

and there is enough webspace for me to put up more...

Aribert Deckers
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awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 20:53 GMT
> >You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
> >stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
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>
> That others cure themselves the same way, too, is a lie.

You can cry all you want and tell yourself it is a lie all day long.
Meanwhile, Imus is in the process of getting cured. So the news will
start to spread pretty fast, probably in the next few months. And
there isn't a damn thing you can do about it...except to tell yourself
more lies. Oh, you could make a new web page. Meanwhile, Imus has an
audience of probably a million people or more.

Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
zero whereas it was very high before.

> I have a list of 150 persons who died because they believed a murderous death
> sect:
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>
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J - 08 Jun 2009 23:27 GMT
> Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
> reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
> had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
> zero whereas it was very high before.

Reducing the amount of inflammation does not reduce the amount of prostate cancer.
J
awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 23:38 GMT
> > Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
> > reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Reducing the amount of inflammation does not reduce the amount of prostate cancer.
> J

I need to correct this. Upon rereading the email I received, it
appears I mistook and misread the case described as a new case, but
most likely was a duplication of the Imus case...the writer was almost
certainly referring to
Imus when I thought he was referring to another case.

My apologies for the error.

BTW, in reference to reducing the inflammation not reducing the cancer
let me say this. The urologist probably knows a hell of a lot more
about it than you do. You would have us believe that the urologist
would run a test that didn't provide pertinent inormation.

In addition, imagine that Imus's generalized inflammation was reduced
from being "extremely high" to zero. How could there possibly be any
benefit to that occurrence!  [end sarcasm]
awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 23:32 GMT
> > >You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
> > >stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
> zero whereas it was very high before.

I need to correct this. Upon rereading the email, it appears I mistook
and misread the case described as a new case, but most likely was a
duplication of the Imus case...the writer was probably referring to
Imus when I thought he was referring to another case.

My apologies for the error.

> > I have a list of 150 persons who died because they believed a murderous death
> > sect:
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
Happy Oyster - 09 Jun 2009 13:26 GMT
>> >You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
>> >stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
>zero whereas it was very high before.

Oh, there were many bigmouthed jerks who yelled that they were in healing
process.

Short time later they were dead.

Dead by cancer.

>> I have a list of 150 persons who died because they believed a murderous death
>> sect:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>>
>>                    http://www.pharmamafia.com

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awthrawthr - 10 Jun 2009 00:17 GMT
> >> >You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
> >> >stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Dead by cancer.

Stop indicting those doctors you love so much...10,000 killed each
week...it takes a Herculean effort to accomplish something like that.

> >> I have a list of 150 persons who died because they believed a murderous death
> >> sect:
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Steve Kramer - 09 Jun 2009 14:44 GMT
Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
zero whereas it was very high before.

==>  Well, that's good enough for me!  Why go through all the inconvenient
testing and scientific method when you can get all the proof you need from
an anonymous source via an anonymous source that he has been cured as proven
by a C-reative protein reading.

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awthrawthr - 10 Jun 2009 00:20 GMT
> Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
> reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> an anonymous source via an anonymous source that he has been cured as proven
> by a C-reative protein reading.

As i noted yesterday in my response to "J":

"I need to correct this. Upon rereading the email I received, it
appears I mistook and misread the case described as a new case, but
most likely was a duplication of the Imus case...the writer was
almost
certainly referring to
Imus when I thought he was referring to another case.

"My apologies for the error."

> --
> PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> PSA undetectable since, < 0.04 on 10/09/08
> Illegitimati non carborundum

As i noted yesterday in my response to "J":

"I need to correct this. Upon rereading the email I received, it
appears I mistook and misread the case described as a new case, but
most likely was a duplication of the Imus case...the writer was
almost
certainly referring to
Imus when I thought he was referring to another case.

"My apologies for the error."
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> Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
> reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> proven
> by a C-reative protein reading.
Steve Kramer - 08 Jun 2009 20:45 GMT
: >> ==>  It is not denial.  I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
: >> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
: taking Anzamet.   She went to work every day.  And after work she
: helped me with building a 30 by 50 ft barn and hayloft.

Please, do not get the wrong impression of me, Kevin.  I do not loath; in
fact I fully support every man (or woman in your wife's case) making
decisions on their own treatment.  And, I concur that side effects is on
criterion that cannot be ignored.  Many here have gone off of ADT, for
instance, and did so only because they would rather have rising PSA than
debilitating SEs.  I fully support each and every one of them.

That which I loath is the person who would tell your wife she had no need
for mastectomy and chemotherapy.  That all she need do is drink his magic
elixer and she will be cured!  Just like he was!  When, in fact, it is all a
sham.  He will sell his books, maybe his elixer, and she would die.  I did
not come to this group to watch frauds convince men and women to follow them
blindly into their graves.

: The Anzamet
: could have blunted the stinging pain of the capsaicin in the
: peppers.

As to capsaicin, I take it myself.  It might be partially responsible for my
longevity after RPP failure, SRT failure, and ADT1 failure.  So might my
walking.  So might Vitamin D.  So might my DNA.  Nobody knows and I will not
lie to someone and tell them I am cured of Stage 4 PCa.

: BTW, she's still cancer-free today.

And that's what it's all about!!!
kaypeeoh - 08 Jun 2009 23:27 GMT
A common-sense reply.  Who the hell let you in here?  ;-)  I have
BPH, my dad and grandad each had prostate cancer.  I try to follow an
anti-inflammatory diet, I run every day, I take Vit C, Vit D, fish oil
and will try the habaneros-and-ginger recipe.  I'm also treating
myself with 100mg testosterone cypionate every seven days.

kaypeeoh
awthrawthr - 09 Jun 2009 05:29 GMT
> : >> ==>  It is not denial.  I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
> : >> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> not come to this group to watch frauds convince men and women to follow them
> blindly into their graves.

I have said over and over to everyone in here that you CHOOSE what you
want to do. The information I have put out is there for you to partake
or not partake. I know for a fact that the ones who do partake will
get better.

And that way this recipe will spread.

And I've also shared the great news regarding various people, whether
it be Chuck or Jack or Don Imus who have all done exceedingly well
using my FREE recipe.

As for your baseless and false accusation that this is a sham, you
asked me for Deidre's email address, and I immediately told you I
would give it to you when you email me. But you have lied about
sending me an email. Still I requested again that you email me. But
you haven't done it.

So the sham here is being perpetrated by YOU.

> : The Anzamet
> : could have blunted the stinging pain of the capsaicin in the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> walking.  So might Vitamin D.  So might my DNA.  Nobody knows and I will not
> lie to someone and tell them I am cured of Stage 4 PCa.

While I applaud your taking of capsaicin, it is typically 40k or 100K
heat units at best. Grating a fresh habanero pepper each day would be
much more powerful, even if you didn't do the rest of my recipe. Two
habaneros peppers would be better if I was't doing the rest of my
recipe.

> : BTW, she's still cancer-free today.
>
> And that's what it's all about!!!
Happy Oyster - 09 Jun 2009 13:43 GMT
>I have said over and over to everyone in here that you CHOOSE what you
>want to do. The information I have put out is there for you to partake
>or not partake. I know for a fact that the ones who do partake will
>get better.
>
>And that way this recipe will spread.

This is wath many mafiosi tell.

It is a plain lie. It is a lie because they give wrong advice and by this wrong
advice mislead others.

Just try it: Go around and tell people that you can fly - and sell courses for
learing how to fly.

No joke. There was a sect which did exactly that!
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awthrawthr - 10 Jun 2009 00:23 GMT
> >I have said over and over to everyone in here that you CHOOSE what you
> >want to do. The information I have put out is there for you to partake
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> It is a plain lie. It is a lie because they give wrong advice and by this wrong
> advice mislead others.

When Imus tells his story, it will be the truth of his own case.
Others will do the same as a result, and will tell the truth of their
experience.

> Just try it: Go around and tell people that you can fly - and sell courses for
> learing how to fly.

I don't sell my recipe. I've told you that more than once. It is FREE.
Steve Kramer - 09 Jun 2009 14:50 GMT
And that way this recipe will spread.

==>  Probably, but not here; not while I'm alive and ready willing an able
to discount fraudulent and dangerous statements.  I am not a cancer expert,
but I am a fraud expert and you are a fraud.  You can merely stop adding
A.S.C.P. to your list and you will not have to come up against me again.
awthrawthr - 10 Jun 2009 00:27 GMT
> And that way this recipe will spread.
>
> ==>  Probably, but not here; not while I'm alive and ready willing an able
> to discount fraudulent and dangerous statements.  I am not a cancer expert,
> but I am a fraud expert and you are a fraud.  You can merely stop adding
> A.S.C.P. to your list and you will not have to come up against me again.

Steve, if there ever was a fraud, you'd be it. Here is a case in
point: You asked me for the email address of Deidre Imus. I immediate
offered to give it to you. You then claimed to have emailed me, which
you did not.

I invited you to email me again. But you didn't. So you're a liar and
a fraud.

Meanwhile, you are powerless to stop Imus from telling his large
audience about his results. It must suck to be you.
Steve Kramer - 10 Jun 2009 12:52 GMT
Steve, if there ever was a fraud, you'd be it.

==>  Can you point out one deception?  Any time that I have acted as an
imposter?  Made a claim regarding a product that would directly or
indirectly put money in my pocket?

Here is a case in
point: You asked me for the email address of Deidre Imus. I immediate
offered to give it to you. You then claimed to have emailed me, which
you did not.

==> In an earlier response, you were somewhat rational and apologized for an
error.  I will then, for a second time, give you my address (though you
could find it on every post that I have sent).  It is skramer@cinci.rr.com.
Please make a note of it.

I invited you to email me again. But you didn't. So you're a liar and
a fraud.

==>  You throw words like "fraud" and "liar" like a child.  Words mean
things and if they are not accurate, you should not use them.  And if you
don't know what they mean, you should look them up.

==>  If you are not a fraud, tell us of your cancer.  You claim to have been
a Stage 4.  What was your PSA and the trend leading up to diagnosis?  Who
conducted your DRE(s) and what did they find?  Who conducted the biopsy and
what did they find?  How did they determine that you had advanced metastic
cancer (T4) as opposed to only seminal vesicle and/or lymph node invovlement
(T3) or no advanced cancer (T1 or T2) or no cancer (F-raud)?  Then, please,
give us your downward trend of PSA from T4 and how did they prove you were
cured?  Finally, if all you have is C-reactive data and/or a pregnancy test,
you need not reply.

Meanwhile, you are powerless to stop Imus from telling his large
audience about his results.

==>  True.  I welcome his membership in this newsgroup and I look forward to
his release of treatment plan and results.
awthrawthr - 10 Jun 2009 17:56 GMT
> Steve, if there ever was a fraud, you'd be it.
>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> ==>  True.  I welcome his membership in this newsgroup and I look forward to
> his release of treatment plan and results.

You are a fraud because you pretended to want Deidre's email address.
You even falsely claimed you sent me an email, although you did not
send me the email.

You're also a fraud for intentionally and falsely inimating that I
charge money for my free recipe when you know that I do not charge for
it. I do not; it is FREE.

I never said I had Stage 4 prostate cancer. My recipe has benefitted
people with cancers with various names (all actual cancer cells are
the same so names such as prostate, breast leukemia, etc are not
critical to curing it....it is the nonmaliginant tissue that makes
them look so different. There isa name for actual cancer cells: either
highly undifferentiated or cancer of an unknown origin.) Chuck Kinsey
had prostate cancer and Don Imus was diagnosed with it, which is who
this thread is about.
J - 10 Jun 2009 20:12 GMT
> "awthrawthr" <awthrawthr@gmail.com> wrote in message
> ==>  If you are not a fraud, tell us of your cancer.  You claim to have been
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> ==>  True.  I welcome his membership in this newsgroup and I look forward to
> his release of treatment plan and results.

sigh...11 or more years of this BS
He ws using "bewel...@aol.com (BeWelKel)

Here's some links to two threads and quotes of his

> > Why would I rely on your backward methods for diagnosing cancer, that
> > is, with invasive procedures such as biopsies and radiation from CT
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> > were high enough to register positive. Since I'm a man, and I had
> > lesions and pain, it was quite obvious that I had cancer.

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http://tinyurl.com/lzas7e
From: bewel...@aol.com (BeWelKel)
Subject: Re: BEWARE OF QUACKS HERE
Date: 1998/08/26
Message-ID: <1998082601103300.VAA23670@ladder03.news.aol.com>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 384759207
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Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer
X-Admin: n...@aol.com

  There have been times when I thought I might have cancer.  In fact,
that has been true for the last several weeks. There was a previous time, about
4-5
years ago,  when I had a bleeding lesion. I stopped it by taking cod liver
oil internally.
    I've recently had red lesions with irregular borders appear on my
back, legs and arms and feet.  Some of them turn brown.  They often itch
slightly. Maybe I have cancer, maybe I don't.
    But the lesions go away completely when I take a tablespoon of cod
liver oil for a couple days.  It also makes the itching go away even though I'm
taking it internally. (I tend to be too anabolic.  For example, even the
baking soda in toothpaste sometimes makes me feel lousy -- coffee? forget about
it, one cup kills me!!)
    When I stop the cod liver oil, the irregular lesions sometimes
return.  But then the cod liver oil works again, and they go away.
    Do I have cancer?  I don't know.  But the possibility sure doesn't
scare me.  Even if I did and it were to kill me, I know that there are methods
for reducing the pain.
       - Kelley

--------------------
William Kelley Eidem
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Note the Date of his post: 1998/08/26
if you'd had Stage 4 (of most of the common) cancers, you'd be dead by now.
I also believe that if a person has extensive knowledge about hormones, can
significantly slow down
"hormone" type cancers like breast, estrogen positive or prostate; but it's a
dangerous thing to play
with beacuse cancers can mutate to become very  aggressive, so it's best to cure
them conventionally.
J

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From: Kelley Eidem <awthraw...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 08:45:44 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 31 2008 11:45 am
Subject: Re: Every minute more readers are discovering how to cure cancer!
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On May 31, 7:18 am, J <xnswex@nalid;"no> wrote:

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> Kelley Eidem wrote:
> > On May 30, 12:35 pm, J <xnswex@nalid;"no> wrote:
> > > Kelley Eidem wrote:
> > > > The clown was running a one man operation like the Wizard of Oz before
> > > > his clown act was revealed:

> > > So says the man who wrote a book about "The man who cures cancer"  ; but
not one person has shown
> > > up to prove he's (or she's) one of the person's who was cured. Not on the
radio, not on TV, not
> > > in newspapers, not in their own words (with proof), not on newsgroups. Not
one !
> > > J

> > J, it drives you crazy to learn that each and every day, hundreds more
> > are discovering how I cured my stage 4 cancer, and are also learning
> > about the work of Dr. Revici.

> From: bewel...@aol.com (BeWelKel)
> Subject: Re: BEWARE OF QUACKS HERE
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer
> X-Admin: n...@aol.com

>    There have been times when I thought I might have cancer.  In fact,
> that has been true for the last several weeks. There was a previous time,
about 4-5
> years ago,  when I had a bleeding lesion. I stopped it by taking cod liver
> oil internally.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>      But the lesions go away completely when I take a tablespoon of cod
> liver oil for a couple days.  It also makes the itching go away even though
I'm
> taking it internally. (I tend to be too anabolic.  For example, even the
> baking soda in toothpaste sometimes makes me feel lousy -- coffee? forget
about
> it, one cup kills me!!)
>      When I stop the cod liver oil, the irregular lesions sometimes
> return.  But then the cod liver oil works again, and they go away.
>      Do I have cancer?  I don't know.  But the possibility sure doesn't
> scare me.  Even if I did and it were to kill me, I know that there are methods

> for reducing the pain.
>         - Kelley

> --------------------
> William Kelley Eidem

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Note the Date of his post: 1998/08/26
> if you'd had Stage 4 (of most of the common) cancers, you'd be dead by now.
> I also believe that if a person has extensive knowledge about hormones, can
significantly slow down
> "hormone" type cancers like breast, estrogen positive or prostate; but it's a
dangerous thing to play
> with beacuse cancers can mutate to become very  aggressive, so it's best to
cure them conventionally.
> J

When I tested my urine with a pregnancy test, it came out positive for
HCGH. So in fact, I did have cancer. With over a dozen large lesions
located from my calves to my upper back, it was a Stage 4 cancer.

And it was nearly 10 years ago now.

In that post, I didn't include the entire protocol. It also included
habeneros peppers and garlic.

And today, hundreds more will find out about it. And tomorrow, and the
day after next, etc.

http://tinyurl.com/mze5kj

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When I stop the cod liver oil, the irregular lesions sometimes return. ...
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There was a previous time, about 4-5 years ago, when I had a bleeding lesion. I
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http://groups.google.com/g/e5d7feeb/t/170f256ee241328/d/4ea88d196ed9c34e
Raul - 11 Jun 2009 04:43 GMT
>> And that way this recipe will spread.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> offered to give it to you. You then claimed to have emailed me, which
> you did not.

Jeeesh... you asked for Steve's email address and he posted here for
you... it it that difficult to see... or do you just see what you
want... or maybe... you can't provide him Deidre's email address...
hmmmm... I suppose you have BHO's birth certificate as well, huh?
awthrawthr - 11 Jun 2009 05:03 GMT
> >> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Jeeesh... you asked for Steve's email address and he posted here for
> you...

That is incorrect. I put my email address in my responses to him. He
claimed he emailed me but he did not.

> it it that difficult to see... or do you just see what you
> want... or maybe... you can't provide him Deidre's email address...
> hmmmm... I suppose you have BHO's birth certificate as well, huh?-

Nope - I've never been to Kenya.

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Steve Kramer - 11 Jun 2009 13:07 GMT
Nope - I've never been to Kenya.

==>  LOL  !!!   Okay, well maybe we got off to a bad start here.  ...  still
laughing.

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awthrawthr - 13 Jun 2009 06:06 GMT
> Nope - I've never been to Kenya.
>
> ==>  LOL  !!!   Okay, well maybe we got off to a bad start here.  ...  still
> laughing.

Thanks! It's our only hope at this point of stopping this runaway
train where the president fires the CEO of GM and then hands the stock
over to the UAW.

I don't think he was born in Hawaii, otherwise he would have proved it
long ago instead of hiring three teams of lawyers. There's also a
question about his childhood in Indonesia. He might have become a
citizen of Indonesia, once again making him ineligible.

Let me put it this way in order to keep this somewhat on track for
this newsgroup, he is so bad that if he called me up to make my recipe
the new health reform program, I'd give him an earful and tell him to
go back were he came from.

I truly fear for my country for the first time in my life. I'm not
alone in that feeling.

Every other presdient whether he was a Rep or a Dem. woul ddo 2 or 3
things that made me sick. Obama has given me that same feeling on a
daily basis each time with something truly disastrous.

I will say no more on this topic to keep this thread from going
totally off track.

> --
> PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> PSA undetectable since; last checked on 06/04/09
> Illegitimati non carborundum
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On Jun 11, 7:07 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> ==> LOL !!! Okay, well maybe we got off to a bad start here. ... still
> laughing.

Thanks! It's our only hope at this point of stopping this runaway
train where the president fires the CEO of GM and then hands the stock
over to the UAW.

I don't think he was born in Hawaii, otherwise he would have proved it
long ago instead of hiring three teams of lawyers. There's also a
question about his childhood in Indonesia. He might have become a
citizen of Indonesia, once again making him ineligible.

Let me put it this way in order to keep this somewhat on track for
this newsgroup, he is so bad that if he called me up to make my recipe
the new health reform program, I'd give him an earful and tell him to
go back were he came from.

I truly fear for my country for the first time in my life. I'm not
alone in that feeling.

Every other presdient whether he was a Rep or a Dem. woul ddo 2 or 3
things that made me sick. Obama has given me that same feeling on a
daily basis each time with something truly disastrous.

I will say no more on this topic to keep this thread from going
totally off track.

> --
> PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> PSA undetectable since; last checked on 06/04/09
> Illegitimati non carborundum
surfzen - 17 Sep 2009 05:34 GMT
Hello,

Do you have cancer...I did.  Send me an e mail and I will give you all the
details on how I used habs and garlic and blew away my cancer and freaked out
my doctors at Kaiser Permanente in San Diego.  I am doing my six month blood
work this week and seeing Dr. Gordon Smiley in two weeks.  He was skeptical
when I told him I wanted to do the habs before he ripped out my prostate and
set me up for radiation and chemo...I delayed it by two weeks then he did a
second biopsy and I was clean as a whistle...Now he and Imus's doctors are
studying what I did.  I am the one who contacted Dierdre Imus and Patrick
Swayze and Farrah Fawsett, only Imus got on the habs.  The others are
unfortunately dead.
Chuck...chuckinsey@gmail.com
>Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen, nor
>many details into Imus's treatment.
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>In other words, the physicians are observing and charting his cure -
>my cure - instead of causing his demise.  LIES, LIES, LIES.
Steve Kramer - 05 Jun 2009 15:35 GMT
Just realized I cross posted re this fraud.  I apologize.
Paul T. Holland - 04 Jun 2009 23:42 GMT
> In article
> <88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec9dd@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
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> Don really needs to see a doctor and get that treated soon, unless he
> just feels like giving up altogether.

he has been, and continues to to receive, treatment(s) per his doctor(s)
advice.
awthrawthr - 04 Jun 2009 23:53 GMT
On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:
> > In article
> > <88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
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If you listen to the audio, you will hear Imus state, "You know,
actually the early indications are that we're making tremendous
progress with a COMPLETELY holistic approach."

The doctors' ONLY role has been to monitor his improvement through
various tests. He has received NO TREATMENT from the doctors. In that
regardin Imus is like Chuck Kinsey, who also received NO MEDICAL
TREATMENTS. He had boipsies before and after and various bloodwork in
between.

His first biopsy was a Gleason 6 (3+3). His second biopsy found no
malaignancy. One of the doctors wrote "Wow" on the biopsy report.

In other words, Imus (Gleason 7) is on his way to becoming the second
cured prostate cancer case without accepting ANY medical treatment
using my recipe. In fact, he is only the second prostate cancer
patient I am aware of who has tried my recipe.

Let me take that back. When I was still working, I knew a man whose
father had prostate cancer. His PSA dropped from around 8+ to 4. I
retired and didn't keep in touch. But I have little doubt the outcome
was like Chuck's and Don's.
Paul T. Holland - 05 Jun 2009 01:58 GMT
> On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> wrote:
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> actually the early indications are that we're making tremendous
> progress with a COMPLETELY holistic approach."

"Holism is primarily associated with healing processes and advocates
patient-centered medicine in which the physician treats the person as a
whole being, rather than focusing on a set of symptoms. It promotes
preventative medicine by maintaining the health of all aspects of the
self—physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. Generally, however,
holistic medicine is simply a generic phrase referring to a variety of
healing practices, some beneficial and some questionable."

> The doctors' ONLY role has been to monitor his improvement through
> various tests. He has received NO TREATMENT from the doctors.

provide verifiable citations for this assertion

>In that
> regardin Imus is like Chuck Kinsey, who also received NO MEDICAL
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> retired and didn't keep in touch. But I have little doubt the outcome
> was like Chuck's and Don's.
awthrawthr - 05 Jun 2009 04:03 GMT
On Jun 4, 7:58 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:
> > On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> > wrote:
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> holistic medicine is simply a generic phrase referring to a variety of
> healing practices, some beneficial and some questionable."

You hang onto that sliver of nonsense if it makes you happy.

Don and Deirdre Imus are totally into orgainic food, etc. He wouldn't
have used the word comletely if he meant he as doing something else,
which he mentioned in this case was radiation, which he SAID he was
refusing.

He also SAID his doctors were hysterical about the course of treatment
he had decided on which is my recipe. Do you think they would have
been hysterical if he was combining it with THEIR treatment??

What in the hell would they care if he wanted to eat a pepper and a
couple cloves of garlic while they were treating him with any of their
methods. They could care less. The only thing that would make them
hysterical would be for him to exclude ALL of their treatments.

> > The doctors' ONLY role has been to monitor his improvement through
> > various tests. He has received NO TREATMENT from the doctors.
>
> provide verifiable citations for this assertion

Listen to the audio of Don Imus's own words...it's all there. There
would be no documents of methods NOT used.

> >In that
> > regardin Imus is like Chuck Kinsey, who also received NO MEDICAL
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Paul T. Holland - 08 Jun 2009 23:20 GMT
> On Jun 4, 7:58 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> wrote:
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>
> You hang onto that sliver of nonsense if it makes you happy.

i quote a definition of holistic - a phrase 'you' used - and you call it
nonsense?

try reading it again, and tell me just what you find fault with in the
paragraph

> Don and Deirdre Imus are totally into orgainic food, etc. He wouldn't
> have used the word comletely if he meant he as doing something else,

holistic means being open to all, not limiting oneself.

> which he mentioned in this case was radiation, which he SAID he was
> refusing.
so, you cite one thing that he aparently has vetoed in his treatment
plan - that hardly rules out the numerous other modalities.

the thing is, no one except his docs actually knows what the facts are -
it appears that that the imus's have decided to keep the specifics
private, and only talk in generalities - their priviledge

for 'you' to make excessive claims as if you actually had copies of his
charts is silly

> He also SAID his doctors were hysterical about the course of treatment
> he had decided on which is my recipe. Do you think they would have
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awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 23:52 GMT
On Jun 8, 5:20 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:
> > On Jun 4, 7:58 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> > wrote:
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> try reading it again, and tell me just what you find fault with in the
> paragraph

I don't give a da** about your semantic definitions - I care about the
facts. The fact is Don Imus is not using any medical treatment for his
prostate cancer. Try getting that through your thick head.

> > Don and Deirdre Imus are totally into orgainic food, etc. He wouldn't
> > have used the word comletely if he meant he as doing something else,
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> for 'you' to make excessive claims as if you actually had copies of his
> charts is silly

Gawd, you're a moron! He said he was using A "COMPLETELY HOLISTIC"
approach. Do you suppose for even one minute he would have used the
word "completely" if he meant he was using something else.

Complementary is the term uthat is used when someone is combining
medical treatments with holistic. Now go play in the traffic and stop
wasting everyone's time.

> > He also SAID his doctors were hysterical about the course of treatment
> > he had decided on which is my recipe. Do you think they would have
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Paul T. Holland - 09 Jun 2009 23:26 GMT
question forlyou kelley

why should you start using that level of derogatory language?

and, to point to the issue -

semantics is all one has when only able to 'read'  rather than have
personal face contact to lend shading to what is said.

i gave you the actual definition of 'holistic' one which does not square
with your usage. i didn't belittle you, nor did i call you names.

i 'did' say that your 'position' was silly, since it does not provide
actual facts concerning his ongoing treatment modalities -

if you can't handle vigorous, oppositional, yet civil discussion, then
you need to stop wasting 'my' time, just post, and never ever respond to
that which is posted in return.

> On Jun 8, 5:20 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> wrote:
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t - 10 Jun 2009 00:11 GMT
Nice, Paul, why do you try so much to detour the thread to some other issue?
Reminds me of some peoples ill behaved children. Anyway, I have snipped you
latest attempt.
t - 10 Jun 2009 00:13 GMT
> Nice, Paul, why do you try so much to detour the thread to some other
> issue? Reminds me of some peoples ill behaved children. Anyway, I have
> snipped you latest attempt.
Paul T. Holland - 10 Jun 2009 19:20 GMT
piffle - the detour came from the language of his response - i have the
right to respond with direct factual rebuttal

don't like it? ah well

> Nice, Paul, why do you try so much to detour the thread to some other issue?
> Reminds me of some peoples ill behaved children. Anyway, I have snipped you
> latest attempt.
t - 10 Jun 2009 19:35 GMT
Aww, ain't that cute?
> piffle - the detour came from the language of his response - i have the
> right to respond with direct factual rebuttal
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>> issue? Reminds me of some peoples ill behaved children. Anyway, I have
>> snipped you latest attempt.
awthrawthr - 10 Jun 2009 00:34 GMT
On Jun 9, 5:26 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:
> question forlyou kelley
>
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> semantics is all one has when only able to 'read'  rather than have
> personal face contact to lend shading to what is said.

Here's why I call you a thick headed moron. My very first entry has a
link to the AUDIO of Imus's comments. So you don't merely have the
ability to "read" his words.

> i gave you the actual definition of 'holistic' one which does not square
> with your usage. i didn't belittle you, nor did i call you names.
>
> i 'did' say that your 'position' was silly, since it does not provide
> actual facts concerning his ongoing treatment modalities -

That is the type of false statement that results in your getting
called names. Imus made it perfectly clear what he was doing and what
he wasn't doing, AND I've pointed it out to you at least twice...now
three times "Completely holisitic."

> if you can't handle vigorous, oppositional, yet civil discussion, then
> you need to stop wasting 'my' time, just post, and never ever respond to
> that which is posted in return.

If you're going to behave like a jerk, expect to get called on it. On
top of that you have a habit of top posting, which makes you a real
dope.

> > On Jun 8, 5:20 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> > wrote:
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Paul T. Holland - 10 Jun 2009 21:12 GMT
> On Jun 9, 5:26 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> wrote:
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>> semantics is all one has when only able to 'read'  rather than have
>> personal face contact to lend shading to what is said.

below you err by inference

> Here's why I call you a thick headed moron. My very first entry has a
> link to the AUDIO of Imus's comments. So you don't merely have the
> ability to "read" his words.

first, why should you assume that i had not listened to his broadcast?
secondly, my comment was about reading 'your' words

>> i gave you the actual definition of 'holistic' one which does not square
>> with your usage. i didn't belittle you, nor did i call you names.
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> called names. Imus made it perfectly clear what he was doing and what
> he wasn't doing,

nothing false whatsoever - since i had in fact listened to the
broadscast, i can say factually that he never discussed exactly what he
may or may not be doing with his various doctors - the 'only' specific
was his mention at the beginning of his chat with bob schaffer about
eating peppers -

AND I've pointed it out to you at least twice...now
> three times "Completely holisitic."

and, as i responded via that actual meaning of the phraseology, just
using the words doesn't mean that he, or you, are being precise

now, since i am not privy to what all he may or may be doing, it would
be more accurate to say that from your words, and his braodcast, that he
is, perhaps, following an alternative methodology.

>> if you can't handle vigorous, oppositional, yet civil discussion, then
>> you need to stop wasting 'my' time, just post, and never ever respond to
>> that which is posted in return.
>
> If you're going to behave like a jerk, expect to get called on it.

pish and tosh - excuses from you for rudeness

>On
> top of that you have a habit of top posting, which makes you a real
> dope.

get over it - there are a great many forums wherein top posting is
accepted for the benefit of those who, like myself, have phuysical
limitations - choosing 'that' as an issue in the midst of our current
discussion is [should be] beneath you...

note to 't' - what was that about injecting a detour? goose, gander

>>> On Jun 8, 5:20 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
>>> wrote:
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J - 05 Jun 2009 08:39 GMT
> On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> wrote:
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> retired and didn't keep in touch. But I have little doubt the outcome
> was like Chuck's and Don's.

News items say Gleason 6 (3+3) - low grade cancer.
Biopsies can miss. You'd know that if you were paying attention on the
prostate cancer newsgroup.
He'll be 69 in July. He looks awful here (like poor lung function); but looks
like he has something to sell.
So loves the publicity.
<
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03172009/news/regionalnews/imus_in_cancer_shocker_15
9960.htm


Regarding poor lung function
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Imus,_Don
"1994 Imus suffered a serious health problem that led to a collapsed lung and
surgery."

<
http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/health/2009/03/16/2009-03-16_some_good_news
_for_don_imus_doctors_diag.html


Once the PSA level is known, treatment could range from "watchful
surveillance" to radiation treatments to an operation in which the prostate
would be removed, Ennis says. Sometimes a combination of treatments is used.

"The appropriate treatment can spread all across the spectrum," he says,
adding that Imus is at "a pretty typical age" to be diagnosed with prostate
cancer.

The average age at which men develop prostate cancer is 70, Ennis says, and
after the age of 70 or 71, the risks associated with surgery grow. "Surgery
has more side effects so a lot of people shy away from it because of
incontinence and sexual problems," he says.

Though it may horrify men to learn, many of them may already have prostate
cancer that is never going to harm them, Gomella says.

"They have what are known as autopsy cancers," he says. "More men probably die
with prostate cancer than of prostate cancer. It is one of the only cancers
that people develop if they live long enough.

"Every man who lives to be 90 has a spot of cancer in his prostate," says
Gomella. "Our challenge is to find the men who early in life are developing
the more aggressive cancers that are likely to harm them."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509347,00.html
"He noted that doctors seemed reluctant to talk about one of his big worries:
What prostate cancer treatment will mean for his sex life."

CRP and SED rate measure inflammation.
So if a pepper /day helps his prostatitis, fine by me.
Just don't trick yourselves into believing his cancer is gone.
J
Mark Probert - 05 Jun 2009 14:24 GMT
> > On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> > wrote:
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Nice post, good information.

Getting medical advice on prostate cancer from Don Imus is like
getting vaccine advice from his wife and/or Jenny McCarthy.
KevysMom - 05 Jun 2009 14:37 GMT
> Getting medical advice on prostate cancer from Don Imus is like
> getting vaccine advice from his wife and/or Jenny McCarthy.-

And you would be an expert on medical advice, Why?

> > > On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> > > wrote:
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awthrawthr - 05 Jun 2009 18:22 GMT
> > > On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> > > wrote:
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Imus wasn't giving medical advice. Nor am I. I'm reporting his
progress while he follows my recipe.

Everything so far indicates he's doing much better. His inflammation
is down to zero although it had been extremely high. And now his PSA-3
is down 70%.

He is using no medical treatment...and he appears to be following in
the footsteps of Chuck Kinsey who is now cancer free following the
same recipe.
awthrawthr - 05 Jun 2009 18:18 GMT
> > On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> > wrote:
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A Gleason 6 (3+3) is a medium grade prostate cancer. His urologist was
apparently wanting to do radiation based on his comments he made 2-3
days ago. If his doctor had wanted to do watchful waiting, he wouldn't
have been hysterical about Imus's decision to do watchful waiting.

Imus doesn't look good in that phhoto taken within a day or two of his
revealing his cancer. The combination of an old lung problem and a new
diagnosis probably didn't help any.

I haven't seen a photo of him since then. It would be intereting to
compare the difference.
Steve Kramer - 05 Jun 2009 15:37 GMT
And more lies.

BEWARE OF FRAUDS.

On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:
> dbu' wrote:
> > In article
> > <88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> > awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:
awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 23:56 GMT
> And more lies.

More lying baseless accusations from you, Steve Kramer. I played back
the recording several times to ensure I quoted Imus 100% accurately.

Meanwhile, you still haven't sent me the email. Coward.

> BEWARE OF FRAUDS.
>
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Andre - 05 Jun 2009 09:03 GMT
Did "awthrawthr" aka William Eidem, already mention that he is trying to
promote his book with this nonsense ?  Just wait and see, it won't take
long.
awthrawthr - 05 Jun 2009 18:28 GMT
> Did "awthrawthr" aka William Eidem, already mention that he is trying to
> promote his book with this nonsense ?  Just wait and see, it won't take
> long.

I am the author of a book. My recipe was developed by me based in part
from what I learned while conducting research for the book. My recipe
is free. I don't even collect email addresses in return for the
recipe.

IOW, while my book is doing quite well more than a decade after its
original publication, and I don't apologize for its continued success,
the recipe stands on its own.
Andre - 06 Jun 2009 11:14 GMT
It is great that anyone can write a book about his personal cure for cancer,
or hairloss.  The problem is some people might be tempted to believe that it
really works, although the writer has no medical background, or worse, no
proof at all that it works.

I personally have found the perfect way to avoid prostate cancer.  Find a
high rise building and jump from the top. Even better : this theory has been
proven.  When comparing 300 men who jumped from a building to 300 who did
not jump, the last group had a 30 % bigger risk of having cancer.  There was
also a strong correlation with the height of the building, 30 floors being
substantially better than 4 floors.

I will be doing research to see if the same rate of success applies to hair
loss and am recruiting jumper candidates.
Steve Kramer - 06 Jun 2009 12:21 GMT
: I personally have found the perfect way to avoid prostate cancer.  Find a
: high rise building and jump from the top. Even better : this theory has been
: proven.  When comparing 300 men who jumped from a building to 300 who did
: not jump, the last group had a 30 % bigger risk of having cancer.  There was
: also a strong correlation with the height of the building, 30 floors being
: substantially better than 4 floors.

You have really thought this one out.  From many four-floor buildings, one
would not reach terminal velocity before hitting the sidewalk.  You have to
fall about 45 feet to reach terminal velocity and even that would not assure
a prostate cure.  I think 30 is a very good number.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  <.1  <.1  <.1  .27  .37  .75            PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32                        PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145       PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA undetectable since, < 0.04 on 10/09/08
Illegitimati non carborundum

Rod - 05 Jun 2009 13:10 GMT
Scum Bag, Kelly Eidem, stop posting crap in order to sell books that were
not written by you.

Cheers, rod
> Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:
>
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> Some folks have claimed I make up fictitious people. They can go
> listen for themselves.
awthrawthr - 05 Jun 2009 18:32 GMT
> Scum Bag, Kelly Eidem, stop posting crap in order to sell books that were
> not written by you.

Wow, that is a new approach - you think I'm selling a book I didn't
write. ROFL!

One never knows who is sitting at the computer on the oother end, Rod.
But we've just gotten a better picture of whom you are.

> > Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:
>
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Jan Drew - 07 Jun 2009 03:40 GMT
Wow, Rod.  Where did he try to sell his book on this groups?

I must have missed that.  Neither did I believe he is a scum bag.

Jan

> Scum Bag, Kelly Eidem, stop posting crap in order to sell books that were
> not written by you.
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>> Some folks have claimed I make up fictitious people. They can go
>> listen for themselves.
Steve Kramer - 05 Jun 2009 15:25 GMT
Imus knows less about prostate cancer than almost everyone here.  Well,
except for you.

BEWARE OF FRAUDS!

: Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:
Paul - 06 Jun 2009 19:57 GMT
>Imus knows less about prostate cancer than almost everyone here.  Well,
>except for you.
>
>BEWARE OF FRAUDS!

Don's on the ten year plan IMO. He really doesn't have much choice
considering his health and age. Upon hearing him break the news, I
mused that his best shot would be PBRT which surprisingly he mentioned
after weeks of consultation with a battery of physicians that a guy
with his money has access to.

His major concern is a "weener warranty" as he refers to his ability
to keep his erection ability after treatment. Radiation doesn't sit
well with him and his wife's the one that is taking him down this road
that he is traveling. For his sake I hope he pulls a rabbit out of his
sac.

Honestly, I think he is in such lousy health besides the addition of
this new issue, that IMO he has nothing to lose with the hokus pokus
he's trying. It beats watchful dying in his case.

Signature

PSA @ 45 yrs. = 4.7 02/06/2007
Biopsy 03/16/2007 G7(3+4),T1c
RLRP 06/12/2007 G7(3+4),T2cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA 07/16/2007 = <0.1
PSA 09/12/2007 = <0.1
PSA 12/18/2007 = <0.1
PSA 03/12/2008 = <0.1
PSA 06/12/2008 = <0.1
PSA 12/12/2008 = <0.1

awthrawthr - 06 Jun 2009 21:00 GMT
> Imus knows less about prostate cancer than almost everyone here.  Well,
> except for you.

That's the beauty of my recipe. One does not need to know the first
thing about prostate cancer for the recipe to do its job...as it is
doing so beautifully for Imus...as it has already done for Chuck
Kinsey.

> BEWARE OF FRAUDS!
>
> : Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:
Raul - 07 Jun 2009 04:04 GMT
>> Imus knows less about prostate cancer than almost everyone here.  Well,
>> except for you.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> doing so beautifully for Imus...as it has already done for Chuck
> Kinsey.

Even if one presupposes that "Chuck Kinsey" is cancer free, there is no
causative relation to link his intake of habaneros to his remission.
Imus is a greater fool thinking that the "results" of one individual
health outcome is  statistically valid beyond the sample size of 1.

The reason that Imus would recklessly endager himself as he is, is
because he has bought into his own image as a free-wheeling, independent
cuss, and somehow believes he can extinguish the fires of cancer by his
will to do so through outrageous external means.

If he persists in avoiding the truth of his diagnosis, shunning medical
treatment, it's doubtful he will be around five years from now. And you
will bear responsibility for pointing him in a false direction. Do your
book sales mean that much to you? That you would call on someone to die,
just to have a shot at sitting alongside Oprah touting your "cure" and
misleading tens of thousands who are grasping at a way out of their
condition.
awthrawthr - 07 Jun 2009 04:50 GMT
> >> Imus knows less about prostate cancer than almost everyone here.  Well,
> >> except for you.
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> Imus is a greater fool thinking that the "results" of one individual
> health outcome is  statistically valid beyond the sample size of 1.

Each adult has the right to choose for himself which methods they want
to use. I did it and cured my Stage 4 cancer ten years ago. Jack was
told he would live 6 months with his lung cancer. At the six month
mark he became cancer free.

Chuck chose my method exclusively and his doctor responded by writing
"Wow" on the biopsy report. Now, Imus is in the process of joining our
club.

> The reason that Imus would recklessly endager himself as he is, is
> because he has bought into his own image as a free-wheeling, independent
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> misleading tens of thousands who are grasping at a way out of their
> condition.

It's interesting you chose the words tens of thousands, because 10,000
cancer victims die each and every week...actually more than that...and
most of them are killed by their treatments. This march to medically
caused death has been going on for about 90 years. Meanwhile, you sit
by like a drunk not noticing what is happening right in front of you.

I'm pleased that my book has been so well accepted by my readers to
the point that many order additional copies after they've read it, and
would be honored to be Oprah's guest. Revici's work was a towering
achievement and needs to be made known.

Here is the thing that really pisses you off. With Imus getting well,
it will mean the beginning of a new day for how cancer is treated.
Let's say he has a million listeners. There will be at least 100 who
will do what he has done. But more likely it will be thousands because
listeners will tell their family and friends who have cancer

And they will get well like Imus and Chuck and Jack and I got well. So
then it will spread by the thousands, and then it will spread by the
tens of thousands.

I could also see Imus appearing on TV shows talking about his success.
In a matter of weeks, tens of millions of people will know and tens of
thousands will do it and be cured. Then it will be hundreds of
thousands cured...and cancer will be looked upon in a similar way as
scurvy is now looked upon. Both are easy to cure and require little to
bring about the cure.
The Man - 07 Jun 2009 14:24 GMT
The thing that really ires  me or should I say PISSES me off is....would you
really go the conventional route if you didnt
have any insurance to pay essentially 90-100% of the costs? hell no! next
time, itemize your costs from the conventional standpoint, and think about
it... would you pay upwards of 100k for an all inclusive conventional
treatment of rrp, rads, hormones, and surgery, plus ongoing tests only to
find out 3-6 years later that the cancer is recurring?
My solution: make the copayment for all med insurance 50%, no cap and let's
see how the medical establishment solves its problems then. Watch them find
or "discover" a more "permanent" solution to a "chronic" problem that they
have created.
But that will never happen.
Steve Kramer - 07 Jun 2009 19:47 GMT
: The thing that really ires  me or should I say PISSES me off is....would you
: really go the conventional route if you didnt
: have any insurance to pay essentially 90-100% of the costs?

Yes.  My insurance pays 80%.  And I pay 10% toward the premiums.  And, I
didn't go to the doctor for anything for the first 30 years of my coverage.
You might say, I paid 100% for my prostate cancer CONVENTIONAL route.
Raul - 07 Jun 2009 19:03 GMT
> Here is the thing that really pisses you off. With Imus getting well,
> it will mean the beginning of a new day for how cancer is treated.

You are so wrong here. I would be delighted beyond words if the solution
to cancer was a simple as you contend. I would love for you to be right.

I'm not about to turn my life over to an anecdotal solution. While you
talk about a handful of alledged "successes", I have to wonder how many
hundreds who have fallen prey to your webpage, have lost their lives
due to your misguidance. You remind me of my 97 year-old uncle who
credits his longevity to smoking...
awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 05:29 GMT
> > Here is the thing that really pisses you off. With Imus getting well,
> > it will mean the beginning of a new day for how cancer is treated.
>
> You are so wrong here. I would be delighted beyond words if the solution
> to cancer was a simple as you contend. I would love for you to be right.

You will have no control of how listeners to Imus's show apply what
they find out. So it will be THE BEGINNING of a new day for how cancer
is treated. Word will continue to spread because my method works
extremely well.

We are undoing the Gordion Knot. Word of mouth is the sword that will
undo the knot.

> I'm not about to turn my life over to an anecdotal solution.

No one said you had to. You still have a choice. You're making the
foolish choice in my opinion, since you're ignroing 90 years of abject
failure, but you're free to be foolish if you want to be.

>While you
> talk about a handful of alledged "successes", I have to wonder how many
> hundreds who have fallen prey to your webpage, have lost their lives
> due to your misguidance. You remind me of my 97 year-old uncle who
> credits his longevity to smoking...

There is no wondering how many get killed each week with the
foolishness you prefer...it's over 10,000 killed each week.

When a doctor writes "Wow" on a biopsy report, it means he's never
seen anything like it.

When a doctor predicts his patient will be ded in 6 months but the
patients finds out he is cancer free instead, it means the doctor has
never seen anything like this.

In all their years of training and experience, these are "first time
exeriences" for them. But you go ahead and ignore it.

Btw, I went to see a doctor recently. This doctor would come into the
health food store periodically where I worked and spend several
hundred dollars for supplements for himself and his parents.

When I was talking to him as a patient, however, he was afraid to
recommend ANY natural supplement because he was afraid of what might
happen to him professionally.

You might be a victim of that fear from your doctor. You are most
assuredly a victim of his treatments.
Alex - 08 Jun 2009 05:39 GMT
> We are undoing the Gordion Knot. Word of mouth is the
> sword that will undo the knot.

> There is no wondering how many get killed each week with the
> foolishness you prefer...it's over 10,000 killed each week.

Why are we giving this much attention to a guy who works in a health food
store and thinks hot peppers cure cancer? We had a gal here who believed
that drinking urine would do the same, and I don't think she rated anything
like this kind of response.

Yes, his supposed cure may kill some foolish believers. That hardly makes
him unique.

He's certainly demonstrated that he won't be dissuaded by our logic. So why
not just ignore him?

Alex
awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 17:13 GMT
On Jun 7, 11:39 pm, "Alex" <tuchasoffentisch@_NO_SPAM_gmail.com>
wrote:

> > We are undoing the Gordion Knot. Word of mouth is the
> > sword that will undo the knot.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Alex

You're free to ignore what I have to say. You're free to douse
yourself in whatever your doctor is selling.

My message is for those who are interested, only them.

BTW, your logic is this: hell only 10,000 cancer patients are killed
by their doctors each week, so what's the problem?
Ron B - 22 Jun 2009 20:03 GMT
Raul was annoyed by this...and I understand his point.

'Author Author' is not being realistic.

I always liked Imus on MSNBC...and though he's online now...I don't
listen.

There is a new story everyday about PCa...and that's OK if it keeps it
in the forefront.

I will be seeing my doc, Dr. Catalona next month...and will ask him what
HE thinks is new.

I will report this.

Yesterday, was the last day for Major League Baseball to donate their
'home run money'.

From June 11th through yesterday...MLB gave a bunch of money for every
home run hit in every game.

It's always a lot of money.

BUT...this year they wore powder blue wristbands(as always)...but DIDN'T
use blue bats as they have the last 2 years.

I'm bothered by this.

Catalona operated on Joe Torre (Dodger's manager)...and Stan Musial,
Hall of Famer...and is close to both of them.

Torre is on the board of directors of Catalona's PCa organization.

I HAVE to ask.

On Mother's Day...the ballplayers wore pink bands and used pink bats.

It is always said that PCa guys...are somehow embarrassed by the
disease...cuz it infringes on one's manhood and therefore don't want to
march and be heard.

THAT bothers me.

Almost every weekend...you see a march or a walk...and there is a lot of
PINK.

The women have beaten us royally in this one.

The best publicity we get are the Flomax commercials where they talk
about prostate cancer.

It's sad that we don't do it ourselves.

My best wishes to everyone's health...

I had a RRP on March 21st, 2005.

My PSA is now ).1

Not LESS than...just 0.1

I'm as scared as anyone else.

Please post and tell your story...include everything...like:

after surgery my balls were so sore that they had me put a folded
washcloth under them.

I felt no shame when the cleaning lady or the food servers came in the
room.

Hey...it's OUR life.

Best to all,

Ron
Steve Kramer - 22 Jun 2009 21:35 GMT
Geez, Ron!  That's the most you've written ... ever...  I think.  :-)

: Almost every weekend...you see a march or a walk...and there is a lot of
: PINK.

I just found there is now a PCa walk in Cincinnati.  It is on September 26th
this year.  It is the 3rd Annual and I never knew about the 1st and 2nd
Annual.  Regardless, I'm walking in it.  I generall walk in the "Heart Mini
Marathon" and "NAMI Walk-a-Thon".  I'll add the PCa Walk this year.

: The women have beaten us royally in this one.

That's because both men and women love their breasts!   ;-)

: I had a RRP on March 21st, 2005.
:
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:
: I'm as scared as anyone else.

But, it has been 0.1 for more than one year now.  I'd say you have a lot of
life left ahead.

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Steve Kramer - 07 Jun 2009 19:45 GMT
I did it and cured my Stage 4 cancer ten years ago.

==>  Oops!  You forgot.  You were never diagnosed with prostate cancer.  You
were diagnosed with pregnancy.
Steve Kramer - 07 Jun 2009 19:43 GMT
That's the beauty of my recipe. One does not need to know the first
thing about prostate cancer for the recipe to do its job

==>  Yes, ESPECIALLY if they do not know the first thing about prostate
cancer.
awthrawthr - 08 Jun 2009 05:33 GMT
> That's the beauty of my recipe. One does not need to know the first
> thing about prostate cancer for the recipe to do its job
>
> ==>  Yes, ESPECIALLY if they do not know the first thing about prostate
> cancer.

You must think you need a degree in electrical engineering in order to
benefit from the light cast by a light bulb. I have some news for
you... You don't need advanced degrees to turn on the light or to cure
cancer.

Curing cancer can be easy. But it's terribly hard to do it with the
methods that kill 10,000 patients a week.
The Man - 08 Jun 2009 14:24 GMT
Forget about this guy's recipe. Remember, he is not charging one f***king
cent for it!
And again, I stress, if you dont have insurance, your  f+++ked,  thre
treatments and procedures and followups,  the costs
are outrageous! And for what?  Your quality of life is sh.t! And dont try to
contradict it either. There is no way these drugs,
and hormones can maintain your quality of life to where it was before you
were diagnosed.
My bet still stands, Imus with his holistic approach and guidance from his
wife, at 69, will outlive all  of you!
And remember his holistic approach and protocol is from an MD, not a health
food store employee!.
Andre - 09 Jun 2009 18:09 GMT
Habaneros pepper is claimed to be the hottest pepper in the world.  In other
words, it is very agressive to you stomach.  Large quantities can cause
stomach cancer.  So, in the end, William Kelley Eidem, aka "awthrawthr" may
be right.  You may not die from prostate cancer, but possibly from stomach
cancer. I am not sure that this is an advantage...

By the way, I am still curious how Mr. Eidem got to name himself awthrawthr.
That is surely an unusual alias.
Mark Thorson - 09 Jun 2009 19:13 GMT
> Habaneros pepper is claimed to be the hottest pepper in the world.  In other
> words, it is very agressive to you stomach.  Large quantities can cause
> stomach cancer.  So, in the end, William Kelley Eidem, aka "awthrawthr" may
> be right.  You may not die from prostate cancer, but possibly from stomach
> cancer. I am not sure that this is an advantage...

It is not "very agressive to you stomach".  There's no
inflammation, even though it might feel as though there
must be.  The capsaicin in hot peppers activates the
pain receptors, but that's all it does.  It might feel
like it's burning a hole in your stomach, but nothing
like that is happening.

And chili peppers certainly don't cause stomach cancer.
awthrawthr - 10 Jun 2009 00:38 GMT
> Habaneros pepper is claimed to be the hottest pepper in the world.  In other
> words, it is very agressive to you stomach.  Large quantities can cause
> stomach cancer.  So, in the end, William Kelley Eidem, aka "awthrawthr" may
> be right.  You may not die from prostate cancer, but possibly from stomach
> cancer. I am not sure that this is an advantage...

If one were to eat really hot peppers every day for long periods of
time, it certainly will make them less active or even inactive towards
fighting cancer. That's why I don't endorse following my recipe for
more than a couple weeks if one doesn't have cancer.

> By the way, I am still curious how Mr. Eidem got to name himself awthrawthr.
> That is surely an unusual alias.

AwthrAwthr is a phonetic spelling for Author! Author!
Justin Thyme - 10 Jun 2009 22:40 GMT
Comment at the bottom.

> Habaneros pepper is claimed to be the hottest pepper in the world.  In
> other words, it is very agressive to you stomach.  Large quantities can
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> By the way, I am still curious how Mr. Eidem got to name himself
> awthrawthr. That is surely an unusual alias.

The habanero is hot enough for me, but there are others much hotter.  Check
this out:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071026162420.htm

Ken Bland
Heather - 10 Jun 2009 22:49 GMT
(crossposting snipped.....who needs those jerks!!)

> The habanero is hot enough for me, but there are others much hotter.
> Check this out:
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071026162420.htm
>
> Ken Bland

Well, Mr. "Bland".....(and yes folks, that is his real name!!)  Being
married to a man who was raised in Jamaica and whose relatives have
steel stomachs.....I have to say that Scotch Bonnet peppers from Jamaica
rate WAY UP THERE!!  No way I could ever eat even a sliver.

At parties they make two pots of rice and peas.....one without the
scotch bonnet peppers for the Canadians.  (which is usually only me)
awthrawthr - 11 Jun 2009 05:06 GMT
> (crossposting snipped.....who needs those jerks!!)
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> At parties they make two pots of rice and peas.....one without the
> scotch bonnet peppers for the Canadians.  (which is usually only me)

That's why my recipe has either butter or yogurt...to make it less
hot. For those who can't tolerate peppers, I'd use freshly grated
ginger in its place.
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donnat - 10 Aug 2009 15:24 GMT
Don Imus needs to be told about HIFU, no doctor will tell you about it,
because it isn't approved here yet, it is in clinical trials.

My husband had HIFU in Mexico by an American urologist from South Carolina,
treatment took 2 hours, cost was $25,000.  This treatment, High Intensified
Focused Ultrasound, called "HIFU", is in use in virtually every other
developed country on earth, except the USA. HIFU was invented in the USA some
66 years ago in Indiana. For 18 years the Europeans have been treating
prostate cancer using HIFU with a 94% success rate. HIFU is easy and pain
free with only a 1% chance of urinary incontinence, and zero chance of bowel
incontinence. If HIFU was available I believe all men would opt for this
treatment.

My husband had no negative side effects at all, no pain, no discomfort, no
incontinence, no erectile dysfunction. His PSA is 0.4 now, excellent, as he
still has a gland, just no tissue in it. PSA should go down in a couple more
months.  

My husband would not have undergone surgery or radiation because of the high
rate of urinary and bowel incontinence associated with them. Many other men
feel this way as well, so they do nothing and die.

There are two HIFU machines, the Albatherm, made in France, it requires a
TURP, which can cause scarring and incontinence, it is robotic.  And the
Sonablate, made in Indiana, USA.  No TURP needed, it is manually operated.
The doctor uses a computer and sees the process through a real time 3-D
computer image.   If cancer is outside the gland, the doctor can zap it using
the Sonablate HIFU, he also sees the nerves and so he can avoid them.  

Radiation costs start at $60,000., and yet HIFU and radiation both do the
same thing: they destroy the tissue being treated. However, because of the
side effects from radiation the doctor is only able to give short sessions,
treatment is given in daily sessions and is completed in months. While HIFU
causes no surrounding tissue damage, as it is non-ionizing, which means
treatment can last fup to 4 hours, until all the cancerous tissue is ablated
in one session.

Radiation was approved in the USA without undergoing FDA trails. Our local
urologist warned us against radiation as it can cause other cancers later in
life.

There are ongoing FDA clinical trails on HIFU all over the country, they are
in the 3rd year.

The FDA’s Board of Directors is comprised of only surgeons and radiologists.
The rules for being admitted into the HIFU trials are very unnecessarily
stringent. Because of this, if HIFU gets approved, HIFU will only reach a
small minority of men with prostate cancer. I feel these trials are a sham.
We have a friend who is on the Board of Directors for a well respected
hospital in NY, he just had robotic surgery for prostate cancer. When I told
him about HIFU he was angry, and exclaimed , "why haven't I ever heard about
this??!!" He went on to tell us that the AMA runs insurance companies, so we
will never see costs come down. He also told us that chemo pills are safer,
just as effective and with less side effects, as chemo drip, but “the pills
costs pennies on the dollar compared to drip”, and so chemo pills are not
prescribed, and insurance will not cover them.

The UK has had such success with prostate cancer using HIFU that now they are
running trials on liver and kidney cancer using HIFU. Making HIFU available
in the USA would greatly reduce prostate cancer costs, insurance fees, and
increase men's quality of life. 250 American urologists have already learned
the art of HIFU, but they have to leave the country to practice it.    

Call 888-874-4384 to find a trail in your area or book with Dr. S. Scionti in
Nassau or Puerto Vallarta, it's worth every penny, I don't know if I coulda
lived with a guy in diapers.
 
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