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himself - 22 Jul 2008 00:27 GMT http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7502238.stm You may already know of this, but I just came across it.
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kh - 22 Jul 2008 01:19 GMT > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7502238.stm > You may already know of this, but I just came across it. > -- > Rog Thanks Rog. That does sound promising.
"British researchers have made a dramatic breakthrough against a lethal form of prostate cancer."
"Trials of a new pill have shown that it can shrink tumours in up to 80 per cent of cases, and end the need for damaging chemotherapy and radiotherapy."
"Experts hailed the advance as potentially the biggest in the field of prostate cancer for decades, capable of saving many thousands of lives."
"The drug, abiraterone, was discovered by researchers at the Royal Marsden Hospital in South-West London."
"Abiraterone uses a different approach, blocking chemicals in the body which help in the production of the male hormones. It is expected to be widely available in three years, but until then can be obtained only as part of clinical trials."
Already available in clinical trials, this is good day.
-kh
J - 22 Jul 2008 06:26 GMT > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7502238.stm > You may already know of this, but I just came across it. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/97606.php Prostate / Prostate Cancer News
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UroToday.com - Dr. Danila, spoke about abiraterone acetate (AA), an oral and irreversible inhibitor of CYP17 that decreases testosterone and DHT levels to undetectable. The study presented sought to determine the proportion of patients achieving a PSA decline of >50% and to assess toxicity. It was a multicenter trial using AA 1000mg orally daily and prednisone 5mg daily. Successful AA activity was defined as a PSA decline
>50% in >30% of patients. It was not successful if the PSA decline occurs in <10% of patients.
44% met the criteria of >50% PSA decline. Radiological assessment was possible in 26 men who had at least 3 cycles of treatment. No decreases in bone metastasis by bone scans were noted, but some had unchanged bone scans. The addition of prednisone reduced the frequency of adverse events. Circulating tumor cells (CTCs) was used as an additional means to a.ses response to treatment and did correlate with PSA changes. A total of >5 CTCs prior to treatment that decreased to <3 CTCs correlated with response. To date, 13 of 38 patients continue on therapy. A phase III trial is planned to compare AA and prednisone to placebo and prednisone.
Presented by D.C. Danila at the American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) - 2008 Genitourinary Cancers Symposium - A Multidisciplinary Approach - February 14-16, 2008 San Francisco, California, USA
Reported by UroToday.com Contributing Editor Christopher P. Evans, MD, FACS Professor & Chairman Department of Urology University of California, Davis, School of Medicine Sacramento, CA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiraterone Abiraterone is currently a drug under investigation for use in prostate cancer. It blocks the formation of testosterone by inhibiting CYP17A1 (CYP450c17), an enzyme also known as 17a-hydroxylase/17,20 lyase.[1] This enzyme is involved in the formation of DHEA and androstenedione, which may ultimately be metabolized into testosterone.
The results of two Phase II trials indicate that abiraterone may reduce prostate specific antigen (PSA) levels, as well as shrink tumors.[2][3] A Phase III trial is planned for 2008.
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1. ^ Attard G, Belldegrun AS, de Bono JS (2005). "Selective blockade of androgenic steroid synthesis by novel lyase inhibitors as a therapeutic strategy for treating metastatic prostate cancer". BJU Int. 96 (9): 12416. doi:10.1111/j.1464-410X.2005.05821.x. PMID 16287438. 2. ^ "Hormone inhibitor promising for hard-to-treat prostate cancer". Press release. European Society for Medical Oncology (2007-07-08). Retrieved on 2008-07-22. 3. ^ Attard G, Reid AHM, Yap TA, Raynaud F, Dowsett M, Settatree S, Barrett M, Parker C, Martins V, Folkerd E, Clark J, Cooper CS, Kaye SB, Dearnaley D, Lee G, de Bono JS (2008). "Phase I Clinical Trial of a Selective Inhibitor of CYP17, Abiraterone Acetate, Confirms That Castration-Resistant Prostate Cancer Commonly Remains Hormone Driven". Journal of Clinical Oncology 26. doi:10.1200/JCO.2007.15.9749.
kh - 22 Jul 2008 11:48 GMT > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7502238.stm > You may already know of this, but I just came across it. > -- > Rog I just listened to the Richard Pflaum video clip. Abiraterone dropped his PSA from 600 to POINT F-ing Six!!! He said he was having trouble walking (reminded me of my back pain from the spinal mets), he can walk just fine now.
This sounds really good.
This might be the "Silver Bullet"!
Read Simon Bush's story .... <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/ 7517414.stm>
PSA 100 to 4 in a couple months. Went from intense pain and suffering to taking up skiing again.
This sounds really, really good.
-kh Tipping my hat to those brave labrats in the Abiraterone trials. Thanks guys!
Steve Kramer - 23 Jul 2008 01:58 GMT >> -kh Tipping my hat to those brave labrats in the Abiraterone trials. >> Thanks guys! I always thought that "THE" announcement of a cure might go something like this. I realize it is not a panacea, but it certainly looks good for 80% of us.
And, I too, am sooooooooo appreciated of those guys in the U.K. that put their lives in line for this. And I am so happy it was U.K. Can you imagine the cackling we would have heard if it was found in Canada? ;-)
 Signature PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years Casodex added daily 07/06 PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, <0.04, <0.1 2/12/08 Illegitimati non carborundum
Clarence Crow - 24 Jul 2008 00:46 GMT >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7502238.stm >> You may already know of this, but I just came across it. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >This might be the "Silver Bullet"! This is NO silver bullet! A few years ago I got excited about Immunotherapy, but found it was on clinical trials only for ADVANCED cases. If you google around on this new pill for clinical trial participant entry criteria, you will discover the same. In fact on a movie clip, the presenter said it would be a good stop-gap solution until more research was done.
So I'm a party pooper!
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kh - 24 Jul 2008 03:16 GMT > This is NO silver bullet! > A few years ago I got excited about Immunotherapy, but found it was on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In fact on a movie clip, the presenter said it would be a good > stop-gap solution until more research was done. Generally trials should only be available to ADVANCED cases. It is not ethical to offer an experimental, potentially lethal, potentially less than effective, treatment to someone who should do fine with, for example, Lupron.
If you're rounding up lab-rats, you select those with nothing to lose and much to gain. That excludes everyone who has not failed Lupron, not failed taxotere, etc.
Where another ethical bind arises is if abiraterone proves to be VERY effective, at what point do you stop the trials? When does the standard treatment shift from, say, surgery or radiation to abiraterone? I'm not saying that it will or it will not. That's an unknown at this point.
Who knows what the future will bring?
-kh optimistic.
Steve Kramer - 24 Jul 2008 19:44 GMT >>This might be the "Silver Bullet"! >> > This is NO silver bullet! > > So I'm a party pooper! A modicum of stoicism is in order. You are no party pooper.
 Signature PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years Casodex added daily 07/06 PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, <0.04, <0.1 2/12/08 Illegitimati non carborundum
R L - 25 Jul 2008 03:56 GMT Am I correct in thinking that a person must first be on Taxotere and becoome resistant to that therapy before entering the test group?
Also, is the drug taken continuously without going off after improvement?
I wonder if there is a precident to approve the drug before the completion of the third stage of testing?
Thanks, Ralph
kh - 25 Jul 2008 12:56 GMT > Am I correct in thinking that a person must first be on Taxotere and > becoome resistant to that therapy before entering the test group? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I wonder if there is a precident to approve the drug before the > completion of the third stage of testing? Ralph, CC,
I'm on Taxotere now. The Taxotere and the CNTO(328) and the Pregnisone and perhaps the Lupron, which I am also on, have knocked my PSA from 18 to 2.2 (last week).
While I don't like the side effects (detailed in other posts), I've worked every day. I can walk reasonable distances and each month, I'm stronger and doing better than the previous.
Taxotere is FDA approved because of previous human trials. It's not perfect but there is a body of knowledge that it works and it won't kill you, if administered properly and monitored.
That's not the case for Abiraterone.
The brave men who participated in the first trials did not know that Abiraterone would help them. They didn't know that it would not kill them.
The trials were small and only open to those who were desperate and had nothing to lose. That's the nature of the first human trials of experimental drugs. You don't grab healthy men who have alternatives and put them into human experiment trials.
Every one of those who took Abiraterone are Lab Rats. If their treatment failed or if they died, well, they had gave informed consent.
It would have been, "Thanks guys, at least we know that doesn't work. Sorry that you had that stroke, went blind, or whatever."
According to the news (maybe some of that might just be the press getting excited), the guys are doing really well. They won the lottery, got their lives back. One guy is going skiiing. Another tossed his cane away.
Based on the first small trials, they are moving on to test larger groups. Abiraterone is still experimental. There still may be 1 in 20 or 1 in a 100 who have an adverse reaction, and it kills them. These brave and desperate men are Lab Rats and gave informed consent.
A year from now, the researchers will know more. They say 2 or 3 years before general availability.
My guess (or hope) is that, Abiraterone will work well on the new larger, test population. It will work so well that they stop the trials and give Abiraterone to those on the control side. It will work so well that next year, I can get it at my local pharmacy for a $20 co- pay. It will work so well, that I can go on it intermittently, take it for 8 months, go off for a year or two. That's my fantasy.
Here's a question - The news on Abiraterone mentions 2 1/2 years and small test populations. There's something about 80%. Did anyone in any of the test groups die from PCa complications?
-kh
rosbif - 25 Jul 2008 16:07 GMT >Here's a question - The news on Abiraterone mentions 2 1/2 years and >small test populations. There's something about 80%. Did anyone in >any of the test groups die from PCa complications? Google gives quite a few hits, but other than a vague sky news item on the lines of "could help up to 80%" I didn't find any useful detail. I guess new trial data gets so diffused over so many categories and parameters it becomes impossible to pin down an overall figure which is meaningful. But the harbingers (that always sounds like a surname to me) are good.
Just a couple of hits I found at random:-
http://tinyurl.com/5owedz
http://tinyurl.com/5jegkx
J - 27 Jul 2008 16:11 GMT > According to the news (maybe some of that might just be the press > getting excited), Indeed
> the guys are doing really well. They won the > lottery, got their lives back. One guy is going skiiing. Another [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > A year from now, the researchers will know more. They say 2 or 3 > years before general availability. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article4405767.ece July 27, 2008 This new drug is no magic bullet On a slow news day in the silly season, nothing brightens up a front page better, it seems, than some supposed remedy for the most common cancer among men in this country.
If theres one thing Ive learnt from my experience, its that there is remarkably little consensus and clarity on anything. So when I heard the ostensibly fantastic news about abiraterone hailed last week by one British tabloid as a cure, no less, for prostate cancer I assumed that I probably wasnt getting quite the full story.
I was right. When I spoke to Dr Johann de Bono, the research scientist based at the Royal Marsden hospital in Sutton who is leading the team developing abiraterone for the Institute of Cancer Research, he was in a tizz about how his preliminary findings had been misrepresented. Some parts of the press have hyped this drug way beyond what I said about it, he complained.
This is not a cure, let me correct that. I believe this drug definitely works but it works much better with some patients than it does with others.
He could not enlarge on that caveat at present, he said, for reasons of medical confidentiality. He also pointed out that his was not a revolutionary pharmaceutical discovery: another drug, MDV3100, which operates along similar lines, is being tested by a company in San Francisco. What sparked last weeks storm of interest was an article de Bono published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology, Britains leading cancer journal. In it he disclosed the results of a small trial, known as a phase 1 study, in which 21 patients with advanced, untreatable prostate cancer and an average life expectancy of two years, were given abiraterone.
This drug is a hormone suppressant with a difference. Unlike conventional drugs which stop the testicles generating the male hormone that feeds prostate cancer, abiraterone suppresses the testosterone which, de Bono and others believe, is created by the cancer itself.
The key scientific insight here concerns the way that secondary prostate tumours behave once they are deprived of their initial, naturally occurring supply of testosterone. In its early stages, a tumour feeds and grows on testosterone produced by the body and, up to now, treatments for prostate cancer have largely been hormone suppressants, a form of chemical castration, designed to switch off that supply.
Once the body stopped producing testosterone, it was thought that prostate cancers mutated, adapted and learnt to live on other nutrients in their final, hormone refractory phase. But now it seems that the tumour may actually somehow learn to produce its own supply of testosterone.
Having observed that many prostate tumours continued to contain high levels of the male hormone until the very end, some American oncologists, led by Howard Scher at the Memorial Sloane-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, identified the tumorous enzyme responsible for creating it.
De Bono and his team then set about devising a drug that would block the process by which the cancer produces its own-brand testosterone. De Bono modestly pointed out that in this he was only following an analogous development in the treatment of breast cancer in women (breast cancer research is far more advanced than research into prostate cancer). Abiraterone mirrors the behaviour of so-called aromatase inhibitors which suppress the production of oestrogen within breast tumours.
In the wake of all the media hoo-hah, de Bono sounded slightly regretful that he had published the eye-catching results of his early research last week.
Yes of course he was gratified that all 21 of the patients treated at the Marsden with abiraterone were still alive and had mostly seen their tumours shrink, in line with a dramatic drop in their levels of prostate specific antigens (PSA), the blood marker of the cancer.
Having worked for 25 years on developing cancer treatments, de Bono was understandably keen to flag up what may be the prelude to his biggest success yet. However, the $100m (£50m) study into the safety and effectiveness of the new drug had barely begun, he said, and it would take another four years to reach a conclusion and acquire a licence.
http://prostatecancerinfolink.net/2008/06/02/asco-meeting-update-no-4/
ASCO annual meeting update no. 4 Posted on June 2, 2008 by E. Michael D. ("Mike") Scott
A session this morning reported on an additional group of drugs in potential development for the treatment of hormone refractory prostate cancer. (Actually it is notable that the term castration-resistant prostate cancer appears to be the politically correct term for this stage of disease in the oncology community today. The older term androgen-independent prostate cancer seems to be outmoded.)
Beer et al. reported on a Phase I trial of the monoclonal antibody ipilimumab alone and in combination with radiotherapy in treatment of 33 patients with metastatic castration-resistant prostate cancer. While the drug alone and the drug in combination with radiotherapy appeared to have some impact on PSA, and a very small number of the patinets appeared to show some degree of actual disease remission, The New Prostate Cancer InfoLink got the strong impression that the cost in terms of adverse events was extremely high, including one patient death and many grade 3 and grade 4 side effects. We would not currently recommend that patients participate in this trial given what appear to be other clinical trial options with apparently superior responses to date and a lower risk for adverse events.
De Bono et al. provided a detailed report on Phase I and Phase II trials of abiraterone acetate, an innovative CYP17 inhibitor of androgen synthesis, in chemotherapy-naive and docetaxel pre-treated castration-resistant prostate cancer patients.
These trials appeared to suggest a significant potential impact of abiraterone in combination with steriod therapy (prednisone or dexamethasone), with > 50 percent declines in PSA in more than 70 percent of patients, clear responses of metastases to therapy, and a relatively modest adverse reaction profile. It would appear from the data presented that patients either do or definitively dont respond to abiraterone. This may reflect the continuing degree of hormone-responsiveness of the individual patients, with some patient having minimal response to hormone therapy, and others maintaining a significant level of hormone response.
De Bono stated that a randomized, double blind, multicenter Phase III clinical trial of abiraterone + prednisone vs placebo + prednisone is now in development, and it will be interesting to see if this trial can show definitive impact on progression-free and overall survival.
Sher et al. provided an overview of Phase I/II trial data on the investigational agent MDV3100 in patients with progressive castration-resistant prostate cancer. MDV3100 is a novel molecule that inhibits androgen receptor function. This drug again shows highly significant reductions in PSA levels in some patients, and at the time of this presentation, the maximal therapeutic dose had still not been established. Patient recruitment to this trial is still ongoing, but it should be noted that there was a relatrively high drop-out rate from this trial, and we may again be seeing a situation in which one set of patinets may respond well to this agent and another group is not able to tolerate treatment. Further data will be necessary before the potential benefits of MDV3100 can be clearly established.
Finally, Pili et al. reported on a novel tumor vascular disrupting agent (known as DMXAA or ASA404) in combination with docetaxel for treatment of castration-resistant prostate cancer. This Phase II trial compared 33 patients receiving DMXAA + docetaxel to 38 patients receiving docetaxel alone. There are suggestions from this trial of superior outcomes on the combination arm, but The New Prostate Cancer InfoLink did not feel that the data were sufficiently mature at this point in time be able to establish a clear benefit for the combination therapy over docetaxel.
We would conclude by noting that the real take-away from ASCO is the increasing number of new agents that are being tested for their potential in late stage prostate cancer, and our increasing appreciation of the potential of new therapies in this stage of disease. It seems likely that, at some point relatively soon, at least one (and perhaps more than one) of these new agents or new combinations will show a truly significant impact on late stage disease prior to, in combination with, or following chemotherapy with the current standard therapy of docetaxel and prednisone."
I had another link that said some/many? dropped out after 2 treatments due to side effects. I will try to refind it. J
J - 27 Jul 2008 16:28 GMT > > According to the news (maybe some of that might just be the press > > getting excited), [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > I will try to refind it. > J < http://prostatecancerinfolink.net/2008/07/23/the-abiraterone-actetate-media-feed ing-frenzy/
The abiraterone acetate media feeding frenzy Posted on July 23, 2008
For some reason, the major media have decided that abiraterone acetate is a wonder drug that is going to solve all of the problems of men with hormone refractory prostate cancer and maybe more. The following is a quotation from a story in todays Los Angeles Times:
Dr. Glen Justice, director of Orange Coast Memorial Medical Centers Cancer Center in Fountain Valley, noted: What is exciting about this drug is that it had activity in both earlier and later stages of disease. . . . The question is: Can we take people that have a very aggressive disease that was caught early and increase the cure rate by using it upfront?
The New Prostate Cancer InfoLink has little doubt that abiraterone is an exciting agent, and that it may well prove to have significant value in the treatment of prostate cancer. However, we feel it is important to note that we have all been here before. Abbott Laboratories atrasentan (Xinlay) was supposedly a billion dollar drug, but it has not made it to market. Immunotherapeutic vaccine therapies have frequently been touted as revolutionary agents but so far the best data available is only suggestive of a small survival benefit in some patients. On top of that, the majority of cancer therapeutics that make it into Phase III clinical trials never get approved because they either cant show a therapeutic benefit compared to the current standard of care or they have adverse reactions that simply make their approval impossible.
To date, abiraterone has been carefully tested over a significant period of time in only a small number of the 250 people who have actually received the drug. Many of these 250 individuals have only been treated with the drug for days or weeks. The majority of a drugs adverse reactions will only become evident after many people have taken it for a minimum of several months. Is it possible that abiraterone is really a very safe drug? Yes, of course it is. And we sincerely hope that the data currently available is substantiated in larger clinical trials.
It is worth noting that a detailed press release,summarizing all of the data presented on abiraterone (also known as CB7630) at the ASCO annual meeting in June, is available on the Cougar Biotechnology web site. This summary is a great deal less wonder drug-like that recent media reports would suggest.
The New Prostate Cancer InfoLink believes that the best and only way to find out if abiraterone is really as good as the hype is for eligible men to volunteer for the open Phase III clinical trial in hormone refractory disease as soon as possible. We encourage all eligible patients to consider enrolling in this trial. Cougar Biotechnology needs something like 1,150 men who have already failed docetaxel chemotherapy to enroll in this trial of abiraterone + prednisone or prednisolone compared to a placebo + prednisone or prednisolone. This means that a large number of men enrolled will not get the active drug. However, without such a trial we are not going to know whether abiraterone really works.
And another item. Some stories have implied (or even stated outright) that abiraterone will be approved by 2010 or 2011. The Phase III trial protocol on ClinicalTrials.gov is very clear that the projected date for completion of the study is June 2011. It would still take at least 6-12 months from that time for the developer to analyze the available data, submit that data to regulatory authorities such as the FDA, and get marketing approval if everything went without a hitch. We think it would be very surprising to see abiraterone approved any earlier than 2012 unless it shows some very significant clinical results in other clinical trials as well as in this pivotal Phase III study.
Finally
Does abiraterone really have potential much earlier in the disease state? Perhaps! There can be little doubt that Cougar Biotechnology and its advisors are looking carefully at the possibility of carrying out at least one Phase II clinical trial in men with hormone refractory prostate cancer prior to docetaxel chemotherapy, and perhaps a trial in men with a rising PSA post-surgery for localized disease. However, such trials come with big risks as well big potential for any drug developer. They may decide that their first priority (financially and commercially) is to prove the drugs value in patients who have failed docetaxel, and that other opportunities have to wait.
Whatever turns out to be the case, The New Prostate Cancer InfoLink will be one of the first places where you can get the latest news about progress in the development of this drug.
I cant what I referred to above, but might somewhere on the Cougar website. Cougar Press Release [excerpts] http://www.cougarbiotechnology.com/docs/060208ASCO2008AnnualMeetingPresentations.pdf
After 12 weeks of treatment, of the 24 patients with lesions that were evaluable by bone scan, 14 patients had lesions that were stable. Of the 18 patients in the trial with evidence of lymph node metastases that were evaluable by CT scan, 1 patient was shown to have lesions that decreased in size and 12 patients had lesions that were stable. Of the 8 patients in the trial with evidence of visceral metastases that were evaluable by CT scan, 1 patient was shown to have lesions that decreased in size and 4 patients had lesions that were stable. Currently, 8 patients in the Phase II trial continue to receive treatment with CB7630 in combination with prednisone. This includes 6 patients who had not received prior treatment with ketoconazole and 2 patients who had previously been treated with ketoconazole. All of these patients have been on study for over 25 weeks.
The COU-AA-003 Phase II trial of CB7630 in patients with advanced prostate cancer who have failed docetaxel-based chemotherapy is being conducted at numerous locations in the United States and United Kingdom. In the trial, CB7630 is administered orally, once daily, to patients with CRPC who have failed treatment with androgen deprivation therapy and failed treatment with first line docetaxel-based chemotherapy. To date, a total of 44 patients have been enrolled in the trial. In his oral presentation, Dr. DeBono provided an update on the 34 patients in this Phase II trial who have been treated in the United Kingdom and have been in the study for over 3 months. Of these 34 patients, CB7630 was well tolerated with only minimal toxicity in this post-docetaxel population. Of the 34 patients treated, 24 patients (71%) experienced a decline in PSA, with 16 patients (47%) demonstrating a decline in PSA levels of greater than 50%. Of the 19 evaluable patients with measurable tumor lesions, 5 patients (26%) experienced confirmed partial radiological responses (as measured by the RECIST criteria) and 10 patients (53%) experienced ongoing stable disease. The median time to disease progression for the 34 patients in the trial was estimated to be 161 days (23 weeks).
Clarence Crow - 25 Jul 2008 06:47 GMT >>>This might be the "Silver Bullet"! >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >A modicum of stoicism is in order. You are no party pooper. I'm just misunderstood. /begin rant What I have objected to all along is the media hype yelling "miracle cure!". When you poke around a bit, you see that they almost always wait until it's nearly too late rather than give you the treatment up front. It's a $$$ thing with the big pharmaceuticals, so they can continue to beat you up for years with Lupron (Lucrin here) regardless of the side effects. This also goes for the reluctance to do PET scans, BMD scans etc. etc. (the cheapest will suffice in most all cases unless you shell out the $$$ for it.)
/end rant
-Please reply to group as my email addr is fake!
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