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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / May 2008post-op biopsy results good
No spread to lymph nodes that were removed. No positive margins. Unexpectedly, my eyes started tearing up when I heard this. I was pretty sure it was ok, but I guess I had just encapsulated the worry. Now just need to do the follow up PSA tests. Also got the bill. $49600. Insurance paid all of it. Dwight > No spread to lymph nodes that were removed. No positive margins. > Unexpectedly, my eyes started tearing up when I heard this. I was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Dwight Nothing beats great nes free of charge. How was the post-op Gleason score? I.P. On May 24, 10:46 am, "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddabou...@noway.nohow> wrote: > > No spread to lymph nodes that were removed. No positive margins. > > Unexpectedly, my eyes started tearing up when I heard this. I was [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I.P. I.P., I don't have the Gleason yet. I assume they'll mail that to me. Also, I looked at this bill again, and the hospital is only ESTIMATING what insurance will pay. So, I'm sure there's lots of wiggle room left for UHC to do the sideways shuffle on me. I do know I'm on the hook for 10% of the hospital room, and the hospital missed that. But that is only $500. It was kinda nice having a private room though. And, John, the new outlook on life began when I got diagnosed with cancer. >No spread to lymph nodes that were removed. No positive margins. >Unexpectedly, my eyes started tearing up when I heard this. I was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Dwight Glad to hear your good news. I am always impressed with costs in health related matters in the USA (and the cost of insurance to pay for it!). Just > On Sat, 24 May 2008 09:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Dwight > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I am always impressed with costs in health related matters in the USA > (and the cost of insurance to pay for it!). "Impressed" doesn't fit my reaction to it! ;-) Maybe another word with "pressed" on the end. Cool News....... Now begin again.......new outlook on life...... jloomis > No spread to lymph nodes that were removed. No positive margins. > Unexpectedly, my eyes started tearing up when I heard this. I was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Dwight > No spread to lymph nodes that were removed. No positive margins. That's great news, Dwight!! > No spread to lymph nodes that were removed. No positive margins. > Unexpectedly, my eyes started tearing up when I heard this. I was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Dwight Congratulations on the good results so far. These bills are phony for those with insurance. If, like me, you are old enough for Medicare, then Medicare decides how much the procedures are worth, and that is usually significantly below the "list price". Medicare supplements use the same amounts to decide how much they will pay beyond what Medicare paid. For those too young for medicare, their insurance companies have usually negotiated rates similar to the Medicare rates. The only people who pay the outrageous list price are those without insurance. Usually they don't pay the full amount either because doing so would bankrupt them, so the medical providers agree to accept much less. They still pay a lot more than Medicare or insurance companies. Because of these phony prices, there is nothing resembling anything like a free market in medicine, and the changes necessary to make it such would so radically change things that they would be impossible to implement. > > No spread to lymph nodes that were removed. No positive margins. > > Unexpectedly, my eyes started tearing up when I heard this. I was [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > such would so radically change things that they would be impossible to > implement. I was somewhat surprised by that price tag. I was expecting something in the $25000 category. I look with anticipation to see what the insurance company sends in response. >>> Also got the bill. $49600. Insurance paid all of it. >>> Dwight > I was somewhat surprised by that price tag. I was expecting something > in the $25000 category. Let's see now. Assuming a $ 1.2 M purchase price, a 4 year useful life, 4 patients a week (extremely conservative) depreciation would require $ 1500 per patients at the most. Disposables? Let's assume $ 1000. Hospital charges for 4 days $ 3200? How can anyone reasonably arrive at $25 or $ 50K???? Are these guys listed on the NYSE? No wonder that German hospitals are soliciting U.S. patients and offering 5 star hotel treatment at 50% discounts to the U.S. price: http://www.surgicalexperts.de/4466/RADICALPROSTATECTOMYPACKAGE.html Note the free English newspapers and the Heidelberg tour. Of course, as in Goofy's case, patients are liable to be unnecessarily operated on. We'll soon know if he finds out his Gleason score. > Of course, as in Goofy's case, patients are liable to be unnecessarily > operated on. We'll soon know if he finds out his Gleason score. Poor baby. You really don't think you get the attention you deserve, do you? What the "he.." does this mean? liable to be unnecessarily > operated on. We'll soon know if he finds out his Gleason score. Where are you coming from? I know I am wasting my breath but when I saw this I had to comment. My God, if you don't have anything nice to say, nothing at all would be best! Best wishes to you, and "Hopefully" you never need surgery..... who knows, "It may be uneccessary" jloomis >>>> Also got the bill. $49600. Insurance paid all of it. >>>> Dwight [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Of course, as in Goofy's case, patients are liable to be unnecessarily > operated on. We'll soon know if he finds out his Gleason score. |
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