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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / May 2008Short Term Memory
I couldn't remember to do something 5 minutes after my wife asked me to do it. Completely disappeared from my brains to do list. Any suggestions for short term memory excersizes or techniques? Felmer Dingle aka WhiteSoxFan >I couldn't remember to do something 5 minutes after my wife asked me to >do it. Completely disappeared from my brains to do list. Any suggestions >for short term memory excersizes or techniques? > >Felmer Dingle aka WhiteSoxFan I carry a small, shirt pocket size notebook and a pen and try to write down everything. Funny thing, though, right now I can't find the notebook and can't remember where I had it last. True situation! I know the ADT made my memory problems much worse. I don't know if they are still bad because of the ADT or I'm just getting older - probably both. Good luck. Burney RP in 1995 (age 52) RT in 2000 ADT (Casodex) 10/06 - 8/07 Latest PSA - 0.18 > I couldn't remember to do something 5 minutes after my wife asked me to > do it. Completely disappeared from my brains to do list. Any suggestions > for short term memory excersizes or techniques? Not on a statin, are you? I.P. Easier to get a new wife :-)) >> I couldn't remember to do something 5 minutes after my wife asked me to >> do it. Completely disappeared from my brains to do list. Any suggestions [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I.P. >> I couldn't remember to do something 5 minutes after my wife asked me to >> do it. Completely disappeared from my brains to do list. Any [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I.P. I.P., could you cite chapter & verse on that? I am on a statin and have some trouble with short-term memory; same for my wife. We thought it was just due to getting older... I'll try google but if you can suggest a URL or two it would be a help.  SignatureGreg Louis Biopsy 2004-06-22 (age 58), Gleason 3+3, T1c, volume 27 cc. Monotherapy, 55 I-125 seeds 2004-11-16. Lowest PSA yet 0.59 (8 mo); then 0.62, 0.85, 0.75, 1.7, 3.29, 1.29 (whew!) 28.5 mo, 1.41, 0.78, 0.91 at 3 yr. >>> I couldn't remember to do something 5 minutes after my wife asked me to >>> do it. Completely disappeared from my brains to do list. Any [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > just due to getting older... I'll try google but if you can suggest a URL > or two it would be a help. I can do better that: Google statin memory loss for hundreds of RELEVANT items on it from a huge variety of credible sources. One of the top hits is Spacedoc (Astronaut physician Duane Graveline), who has a website and a book out on it summarizing his research into the unintended effects of statins. I have and recommend the book, and if he is half the man and mind my astronaut physician friend is, he is credible. I.P. >> I.P., could you cite chapter & verse on that? I am on a statin and >> have some trouble with short-term memory; same for my wife. We thought [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I can do better that: Google statin memory loss for hundreds of RELEVANT > items on it from a huge variety of credible sources. I searched google.scholar for "statin memory" and got a sufficiency (dunno if it would have been hundreds, I didn't count) of relevant items. Unfortunately several of the most promising titles were in a journal called pharmacotherapy that requires payment for access, but even the quotations in the google entries were enough that I shall be making a case for discontinuing atorvastatin (and upping the coenzyme Q10 intake) when I see my physician later this month. Anecdotal info: my wife and I both have some memory loss; both started to notice such loss about a year into taking atorvastatin for lipoprotein regulation; her memory is worse than mine; she's on 20mg per day, I'm on 10. Both of us take 200mg per day of coQ10 to help with what we (and my MD) think is atorvastatin- related back pain. Both of us have pretty decent HDL and LDL figures now, probably thanks to the drug. Maybe we can keep it that way if we eat a bit more carefully. > One of the top > hits is Spacedoc (Astronaut physician Duane Graveline), who has a > website and a book out on it summarizing his research into the > unintended effects of statins. I have and recommend the book, and if he > is half the man and mind my astronaut physician friend is, he is > credible. Doubtless it's my background that prejudices me (I was a research scientist for part of my career) but for scientific info, peer review and publication in a respected journal are my criteria for credible. That's not to denigrate the Graveline book, which I haven't seen; I'll look for reviews and look into his published papers. Thanks for the tip! SignatureGreg Louis Biopsy 2004-06-22 (age 58), Gleason 3+3, T1c, volume 27 cc. Monotherapy, 55 I-125 seeds 2004-11-16. Lowest PSA yet 0.59 (8 mo); then 0.62, 0.85, 0.75, 1.7, 3.29, 1.29 (whew!) 28.5 mo, 1.41, 0.78, 0.91 at 3 yr. > I searched google.scholar for "statin memory" and got a sufficiency > (dunno if it would have been hundreds, I didn't count) of relevant > items. Drop the quotes and add the word loss and the relevant hits expand dramatically. Even the 20th page (200 hits and counting) was still very relevant. > Both of us have pretty decent HDL and LDL figures > now, probably thanks to the drug. Maybe we can keep it that way if we > eat a bit more carefully. My chol profile is genetically poor (borderline total chol, elevated LDL, very low HDL). My very healthy diet and tons of exercise do little for it, but even a low dose of statins improved them very dramatically, driving everything well into the desirable ranges. Then after 6-8 years of this, the muscle pain hit. It took a year to dissipate after I dropped the statin. Now fish oil does almost as much good as the statin did, sans pain. > Doubtless it's my background that prejudices me (I was a research > scientist for part of my career) but for scientific info, peer review and > publication in a respected journal are my criteria for credible. That's > not to denigrate the Graveline book, which I haven't seen; I'll look for > reviews and look into his published papers. Thanks for the tip! Graveline doesn't write the papers; he studies them and reports their results, as do the more credible people here. I'm also a scientist and engineer, and although peer-reviewed research is fine, I do like having someone else do the legwork of finding it, assimilating it, organizing it, presenting it in an organized manner, and supporting it with huge bibliographies I can research selectively to verify that the authors are not cherry picking their sources. Then if I suspect the author has biased the story, or if its subject is as vital to me as the ADT choice was, I'll go straight to the research in depth. The ever-increasing reports of statin SEs plus my own head-to-toe pain left me little patience for details; I wanted that crap out of my body. I can always go back on another statin if fish oil fails me. Graveline's book isn't quite the scientific study as, say, the global warming books I've studied, and he does include too much anecdotal tales to warm my heart. Is he biased? You bet; statins completely erased many years of his memory, reversibly and repeatably, but I believe he's sincere and informed about his aversion to statin and its hype. Statins are great drugs for many, maybe most, people, but a very large minority -- and a huge majority of very athletic people -- suffer appreciable, some very dramatic, mental and/or physical SEs. Besides, Google spit out memory loss reports from from many of the world's leading hospitals and agencies. I.P. > I couldn't remember to do something 5 minutes after my wife asked me to > do it. Completely disappeared from my brains to do list. Any suggestions > for short term memory excersizes or techniques? > > Felmer Dingle aka WhiteSoxFan My experience with memory loss has been due to no testosterone. I have struggled with this for over 7 years due to ADT treatments. Here is what has worked for me. 1- supplement estrogen with estradiol patches 2- maintain constant good protein intake and keep carbs low 3- take a lot of DHA fraction of fish oil daily 4- maintain as much exercise I can (not very successful here) And I take Ritalin daily My short term memory has improved with the above but it ain't what it used to be. It took me many years to find a solution for me, it is best to keep trying everything to see what works for you. Lud >> I couldn't remember to do something 5 minutes after my wife asked me to >> do it. Completely disappeared from my brains to do list. Any suggestions [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > trying everything to see what works for you. > Lud Permit me to add one more thing to your list, pay attention to that which you are supposed to remember. Do not try to multi-task, pay specific attention to what it is that you are supposed to remember. Do not listen to the wife/boss/whoever with one ear, look at them and really listen. It does help, if you can remember to do it. > Permit me to add one more thing to your list, pay attention to that > which you are supposed to remember. Do not try to multi-task, pay > specific attention to what it is that you are supposed to remember. Do > not listen to the wife/boss/whoever with one ear, look at them and > really listen. It does help, if you can remember to do it. Excellent advice, for three reasons: 1. The human brain can't really multitask. It just shifts focus rapidly when we're young, SIMULATING multitasking. Because the attention shift takes a non-zero time, it is less efficient than doing each of those tasks independently. 2. Even that ability declines with age. 3. And, of course, many drugs and their SEs can further mess with our heads. Statins and testosterone-lowering drugs are both suspected of being strong contributors. I.P. > 3. And, of course, many drugs and their SEs can further mess with our > heads. Ahhh yes, the many drugs of the 70s. Me thinks the real reason for my Short Term Memory ;0) WhiteSoxFan > Permit me to add one more thing to your list, pay attention to that which > you are supposed to remember. Do not try to multi-task, pay specific > attention to what it is that you are supposed to remember. Do not listen > to the wife/boss/whoever with one ear, look at them and really listen. > It does help, if you can remember to do it. Well stated. I find that I'm pissing people off more and more by stopping what I'm doing, putting my hands in my lap, and turning to the person who just interrupted me. My wife is especially sensitive to this maneuver. She always thinks I'm being an a.shole. Well, maybe sometimes I am. > > Permit me to add one more thing to your list, pay attention to that which > > you are supposed to remember. Do not try to multi-task, pay specific [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > just interrupted me. My wife is especially sensitive to this maneuver. She > always thinks I'm being an a.shole. Well, maybe sometimes I am. "Pay attention" - easier said than done - I can't even do that most times. It ain't aging - it's losing estrogen - when I was on high doses of estradiol patches (6 x 100 mcg), I had no problems with memory or multi-tasking, even could out-argue my wife (only time in my life). Men - estrogen is the magic elixir. Lud |
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