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Voodoo Medicine Survey

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Dedman - 03 May 2008 16:55 GMT
So what "Voodoo Medicines" are others taking and why?

I take 1 oz of Pomegranate juice a day because of the study that showed it
kept PSA down after radiation and 1 - 1000mg Flax Seed Oil Capsule... I
forget why.  I also take three cranberry capsules to ward off urinary tract
infections, nexium for reflux, two aspirins for arthritis, and flomax for
urinary frequency and retention.  I eat unhealthily since I figure I'd rather
die of that :-)

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I.P. Freely - 03 May 2008 18:34 GMT
>  Flax Seed Oil Capsule

Flax seed oil is great stuff, highly advisable for several reasons ...
except for prostate cancer patients, whose affliction it feeds. Drop
that one ASAP.

> two aspirins for arthritis

You're lucky your doctor and body advise and tolerate that much. Mine
don't.

> I eat unhealthily since I figure I'd rather die of that

If it weren't for your nym and your circumstances, I'd take exception to
that. But at some point we may as well live on ice cream and pizza.

I.P.
alva36@gmail.com - 03 May 2008 20:10 GMT
> >  Flax Seed Oil Capsule
>
> Flax seed oil is great stuff, highly advisable for several reasons ...
> except for prostate cancer patients, whose affliction it feeds. Drop
> that one ASAP.

> I.P.

I.P. -

I believe there are as many who espouse your opinion on flaxseed oil
as argue the opposite view.

-Les
I.P. Freely - 03 May 2008 20:50 GMT
>> Flax seed oil is great stuff, highly advisable for several reasons ...
>> except for prostate cancer patients, whose affliction it feeds. Drop
>> that one ASAP.

> I believe there are as many who espouse your opinion on flaxseed oil
> as argue the opposite view.

Could be, but when the two top gurus on the more scientific cancer
newsgroups (Matti Narkia and "the other guy" whose name I forget)
debated Omega 3 fatty acids' impact on PC at great length and in great
detail a year ago, the one thing they most agreed on was that PC pts
must avoid flax. That's good enough for me; YMMV.

Many people support many supplements without proof, so I form my
opinions not on the number of supporters but on their reputation and
their sources. Narkia and "the other guy" (sorry, but I haven't visited
those forums in a long time) are highly respected and cited many
references in detail, to the point I chucked all my new flax seeds and
stowed the grinder until the research swings the other way again.

They agreed to disagree on walnuts, close to the fence but on opposite
sides, so I still eat those but in lesser quantity.

I.P.
alva36@gmail.com - 03 May 2008 22:32 GMT
to the point I chucked all my new flax seeds and
> stowed the grinder until the research swings the other way again.
>
> I.P.

I.P.-

There, apparently, is a big diff between flax seeds and flaxseed oil.
Those who say the oil is good, say the seeds are not.  Who knows?

-Les
I.P. Freely - 04 May 2008 01:47 GMT
> to the point I chucked all my new flax seeds and
>> stowed the grinder until the research swings the other way again.
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> There, apparently, is a big diff between flax seeds and flaxseed oil.
> Those who say the oil is good, say the seeds are not.  Who knows?

The benefits and pitfalls (and the debates) of flax are in its oil; the
fiber we can get many ways.

I.P.
Steve Jordan - 04 May 2008 00:18 GMT
On May 3, Mike Freely wrote:

> Could be, but when the two top gurus on the more scientific cancer
> newsgroups (Matti Narkia and "the other guy" whose name I forget)
> debated Omega 3 fatty acids' impact on PC at great length and in great
> detail a year ago, the one thing they most agreed on was that PC pts
> must avoid flax. That's good enough for me; YMMV.

Well, MM most certainly varies with regard to Narkia.

Google shows him/her as an "IT Consultant" with various posts and an
argument with one Steve Harris on health subjects. See, frex,
http://www.naymz.com/search/matti/narkia/1005708

> Many people support many supplements without proof, so I form my
> opinions not on the number of supporters but on their reputation and
> their sources. Narkia and "the other guy" (sorry, but I haven't visited
> those forums in a long time) are highly respected....

By whom?

Regards,

Steve J

"What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts?
Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget 'what the stars
foretell,' avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind
the unguessable 'verdict of history' -- what are the facts, and to how
many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are
your single clue. Get the facts!"
--Lazarus Long
WhiteSoxFan - 03 May 2008 23:59 GMT
> So what "Voodoo Medicines" are others taking and why?
>
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>
> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

On a daily basis I take Pomegranate concentrate, about a tablespoon in
a glass of OJ along with about a quarter of a teaspoon of turmeric
powder to wash down the 1000 milligram tablet of Dr. Weil's Vitamin D
and fish oil supplements. That's about all I take but the things I've
eliminated are far greater including Flaxseed because of the Omega 6
aka ALA.

WhiteSoxFan
jloomis - 04 May 2008 04:15 GMT
We are built to eat, fruit, nuts,meat,fish,vegies, and drink water.....and
then some.....
What happened was the industrializastion of farming, and the processing of
grain.
Mass production, Super Markets.......no more hunter gatherer......
we do not use our bodies as much.....
Yes we live longer than the hunter and gatherer.
We live longer than many in the 1900's
We want to live even longer.......
Most of us on this group have outlived our great great grandparents...
I am not sure what the magic food is.
I am sure it is not McDonalds and Denny's
I know moderation is some of the best medicine regardless of what we eat.
Anyway, I try to eat well, and do have my weakness.......
jloomis

> So what "Voodoo Medicines" are others taking and why?
>
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> rather
> die of that :-)
 
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