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Califchief - 19 Apr 2008 09:00 GMT
Quoting SafireAllele-net.com penned:

> Cauliflower like Leaky assisted in the murder of 500 innocent,
> unarmed Vietnamese villagers, women and children, 40 years ago
> in the My Lai massacre, and got away with this war crime. Both
> have been rewarded with free state-provided health care.

Well, that's the 5th post containing your libelous
material re: 'Nam and murder.

Guess it's time to forward it to the D.A. and A.G.

Want to join me, I.P.?  Do slander (spoken) and libel
(written) laws exist where you reside?

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
safire - 19 Apr 2008 12:18 GMT
>  Want to join me, I.P.?  Do slander (spoken) and libel
>  (written) laws exist where you reside?
>
> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

May I suggest, Cauliflower, some sauce ignorante on your bald head?

Please take a look in Jurisdiction for Dummies. You might eventually
understand that your question to Leaky is totally irrelevant.

Or ask LOL Heather LOL. She LOL claims LOL to have a background in law
LOL LOL LOL. I believe LOL she was a coffee lady LOL 80 years ago LOL in
a law office in Backwater, Ontario.

_____ Black Wave/XRT v.32156.14
Just - 19 Apr 2008 17:00 GMT
>>  Want to join me, I.P.?  Do slander (spoken) and libel
>>  (written) laws exist where you reside?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>_____ Black Wave/XRT v.32156.14

Your approach is totally unacceptable!
PLONK!
Steve Kramer - 19 Apr 2008 15:53 GMT
Non Illegitimi Carborundum
> Quoting SafireAllele-net.com penned:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Want to join me, I.P.?  Do slander (spoken) and libel
> (written) laws exist where you reside?

Probably an empty threat.  An investigation would show that he started with
me (never in the military) and then went onto I.P. (never outside the U.S.)
and onto you.  I'm not sure, but I'd bet the laws in your state require that
the libeler is not considered a nut-job by a preponderance of the audience,
including the libellees.
I.P. Freely - 19 Apr 2008 21:24 GMT
>  I'd bet the laws in your state require that
> the libeler is not considered a nut-job by a preponderance of the audience,
> including the libellees.

The victim must also prove financial damage, which trolls seldom
achieve. The mess left behind by their online masturbation is easily
cleaned up.

I.P.
I.P. Freely - 19 Apr 2008 21:21 GMT
>  Quoting SafireAllele-net.com penned:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>  Want to join me, I.P.?  Do slander (spoken) and libel
>  (written) laws exist where you reside?

WA has all sorts of laws against libel and slander, but not against
lunacy. One on one the problem's solvable in any of several ways, but
since he's just one of a few million illiterates who spout the same
nonsense, why bother? I just PLONK his ilk; haven't seen a sign of him
for months, and have seen the last of his Star Trek McCoy clone. Life's
too short to spend it feeding trolls or fighting diseases so easily
curable. Any lowlife who denigrates our military with blanket statements
like that deserves his cancer, and attack dogs like He'sDeadJim deserves
at least a bad case of BPH. They're just validation of the concept of
karma.

I say "illiterate" because, in fact, Calley was convicted by the Army
and sentenced to life in prison, and it was for 33 villagers, not 500. A
close friend of mine served side by side with Calley for years, and was
not surprised when he went off the deep end after what they went through
at the hands of "innocent villagers" with grenades and AK-47s.

I.P.
He'sDeadJim - 19 Apr 2008 22:22 GMT
>>  Quoting SafireAllele-net.com penned:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>like that deserves his cancer, and attack dogs like He'sDeadJim deserve
>I.P.

How am I a clone when I am an army vet and I told safire how stupid
his My Lai statement was.

Attack dog?? Just because I point out how pompous and full of yourself
you are? You may be a bad man here but stay out of other newsgroups if
you think the little I pointed to you about yourself is a major flame,
it isn't.

As far as libel goes you are both clueless. First of all you can't
libel a nym. If he used your real names and addresses in a post you
would still need to show damages. I doubt being  libeled in a
newsgroup would do any damage to your real lives. Then again neither
of you seem to have real lives by the amounts of posts you put up
here.
He'sDeadJim - 19 Apr 2008 22:29 GMT
> Any lowlife who denigrates our military with blanket statements
>like that deserves his cancer, and attack dogs like He'sDeadJim deserves
>at least a bad case of BPH.

Wow there's the pinnacle of your obnoxiousness. No one deserves
prostate cancer or even BPH by whatever is said in a silly newsgroup
even you I.P.
rosbif - 20 Apr 2008 01:23 GMT
>> Any lowlife who denigrates our military with blanket statements
>>like that deserves his cancer, and attack dogs like He'sDeadJim deserves
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>prostate cancer or even BPH by whatever is said in a silly newsgroup
>even you I.P.

Too right!, IP and his henchman seem to have lost all sense of
proportion. Always better to exercise the killfilter rather than
spitting rage.  
Perhaps it's just a lapse, a temporary chemical imbalance.....let's
hope.
He'sDeadJim - 20 Apr 2008 16:51 GMT
>>> Any lowlife who denigrates our military with blanket statements
>>>like that deserves his cancer, and attack dogs like He'sDeadJim deserves
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Perhaps it's just a lapse, a temporary chemical imbalance.....let's
>hope.

Actually IP is a typical usenet bully. There's quite a few of them.
They're usually meek little guys in real life who when they  can be
anonymous turn into obnoxious blowhards. Many also have extreme
political  and/or dogmatic religious beliefs that if anyone disagrees
with,  brings down their wrath. What's odd here is to find such people
in of all places a cancer support newsgroup. They usually attract a
few underlings like Cali here. Now between the two wishing people
cancer makes it difficult to pick who's the more immature. For now
I'll say it's too close to call.

Now as far as kill filters go. IP is the type who announces he's kf'd
someone but never does,  his online ego wouldn't allow him to miss
anything said about him. Even if he actually does kf someone what does
that say? He has so little self control he must make someone disappear
from his view or be influenced unwillingly by it. I never kf anyone
through all my years on usenet. If I don't care to read someone I just
don't. I don't need to click on a filter to do that.
safire - 20 Apr 2008 17:31 GMT
> Actually IP is a typical usenet bully. There's quite a few of them.
> They're usually meek little guys in real life who when they  can be
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> cancer makes it difficult to pick who's the more immature. For now
> I'll say it's too close to call.

The dogmatic beliefs aren't limited to politics and religion. From time
to time posters suggest that watchful waiting may be a better option in
a particular case of low grade cancer than surgery or radiation, in
particular out of concern about side effects. Almost immediately IP and
his underlings violently attack such people as ignorant, irresponsible
etc. The idea that you just accept the cancer you have and see whether
it grows is totally unacceptable to them; "the beast inside" must be
destroyed (Heather's words) is their dogma. Similarly, in the face of
broad-based research, they believe annual PSA testing is an absolute must.

> Now as far as kill filters go. IP is the type who announces he's kf'd
> someone but never does,  his online ego wouldn't allow him to miss
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> through all my years on usenet. If I don't care to read someone I just
> don't. I don't need to click on a filter to do that.
He'sDeadJim - 20 Apr 2008 22:17 GMT
>> Actually IP is a typical usenet bully. There's quite a few of them.
>> They're usually meek little guys in real life who when they  can be
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>destroyed (Heather's words) is their dogma. Similarly, in the face of
>broad-based research, they believe annual PSA testing is an absolute must.

Oh well at least they're on topic then unlike the  nutty political
rants.

If they violently attack someone then of course that's wrong. If
they're maybe too strident in their opinons. That may not be all that
polite but  giving opinions here is viable. I've read others at forums
who insist that others have the same treatment they did because to
them it was the best. Usually those are people who are insecure they
chose right and react thusly. That's a natural somewhat  and not worth
getting upset about.

There's nothing wrong with annual PSA testing although mine was never
higher than 2.3. So I don't put as much stock in it than some. Still
after my cryosurgery Tuesday I did agree to quarterly PSA tests.

I also have to filter anything you say safire by remembering your
assinine My Lai posts. They were ridiculous and sh.t happens in war.
Usually the responsibility stops at the enlisted level or a lowly Lt
may be charged. It's like Abu Gharib you can't tell me only national
guardsmen on the night shift were responsible or knew what was going
on, but I digress. Neither that or My Lai belongs in this newsgroup.
Heather - 20 Apr 2008 22:35 GMT
. The idea that you just accept the cancer you have and see whether
>>it grows is totally unacceptable to them; "the beast inside" must be
>>destroyed (Heather's words) is their dogma.
>
>>>> I also have to filter anything you say safire by remembering your
>>>> assinine
My Lai posts. <<<

Good idea Jim.  Particularly as I have never ONCE said anything to
anyone here or in real life on how their Pca should be treated.  Safire
is a Class A jerk and is lying as usual.  I have never used that
expression "the beast inside".

FWIW, my husband had radiation and then hormone therapy and we have been
doing *watchful waiting for over 2 years now.

If you are as new here as your nom de plume would suggest, then perhaps
you better listen to the older posters who know that Safire and Marcel
are respectively a liar and a certifiable wingnut.  But both terms would
apply to Safire, I suppose.

Heather
safire - 20 Apr 2008 23:05 GMT
> Particularly as I have never ONCE said anything to
> anyone here or in real life on how their Pca should be treated.  

Beverly actually was the intolerant, prejudiced bitch that told a
certain Sy that he was an idiot to consider watchful waiting. Heather
fully agreed with her:

http://tinyurl.com/6bc43s
Heather - 20 Apr 2008 23:25 GMT
>> Particularly as I have never ONCE said anything to
>> anyone here or in real life on how their Pca should be treated.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6bc43s

Bloody Liar!!  I just checked and the only post by me was as follows and
it was agreeing with Steve K and Ron about SY being an obnoxious
boor......and you are certainly following in his footsteps.......perhaps
another sock puppet??

quote......Oct. 2007 roughly.....

Steve K and Ron.....thank you.  I was totally irate at the rudeness of
SY towards Bev and was thisclose to letting fly, but you guys did it for
me.

Obviously this jerk is a troll and an arrogant ba**ard to boot.  He has
only one other post to a different group and you two had his substance
abuse pegged correctly.

Seems that about once a year we get some obnoxious type on here and they
rile up the regulars.  But as *Little Stevie Wonder* said, use your
killfile.

Cheers.....Heather

unquote......

And I will now use my killfile on you because you are an obnoxious
bastard and I have better things to do with my time than read your
crap!!

HF
safire - 21 Apr 2008 07:42 GMT
> Bloody Liar!!  I just checked and the only post by me was as follows and
> it was agreeing with Steve K and Ron about SY being an obnoxious
> boor......

Which clearly proves the point. Anyone having an opinion about his own
treatment that differs from that of obsessive ueberposter IP and his
underlings is immediately attacked by these bigots.
Steve Kramer - 21 Apr 2008 09:43 GMT
> And I will now use my killfile on you because you are an obnoxious bastard
> and I have better things to do with my time than read your crap!!

That must be like caviar to a troll.
Heather - 21 Apr 2008 19:36 GMT
>> And I will now use my killfile on you because you are an obnoxious
>> bastard and I have better things to do with my time than read your
>> crap!!
>
> That must be like caviar to a troll.

Trust you.......point taken.    8-)))
He'sDeadJim - 21 Apr 2008 16:21 GMT
>. The idea that you just accept the cancer you have and see whether
>>>it grows is totally unacceptable to them; "the beast inside" must be
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>Heather

There's a number of wingnuts in this newsgroup. I still think IP is
the worse and a bully too. I've actually looked in here since last
November. There's more ego here than assitance IMHO. That's why except
for one earlier post I never bothered to post here until I saw IP's
wacky right wing heath care manifesto for the umpteenth time
did I post anything.

safire is just a consequential reaction to a usenet bully. I've seen
it before in newsgroups. Although as I keep saying to see such
characters in a cancer support newsgroup is somewhat reprehensible.
How can anyone be so immature as to wish cancer on people?

I wish you and your husband well Heather. May the beast not return.

Now I'm off to play golf the day before  my cryosurgery. Who knows
when I'll be able to play again.I'm hoping for the best even though IP
isn't.
rosbif - 21 Apr 2008 19:11 GMT
> Now I'm off to play golf the day before  my cryosurgery. Who knows
>when I'll be able to play again.I'm hoping for the best even though IP
>isn't.

The quality of support here resembles the curate's egg.

All the best for your procedure HDJ, and please remember for the
benefit of patients-in-waiting to come back here and let everyone know
how it went, short and longer term if poss.  That will put all this
recent nonsense in its proper perspective.
Good luck!
BH - 21 Apr 2008 19:50 GMT
>> Now I'm off to play golf the day before  my cryosurgery. Who knows
>>when I'll be able to play again.I'm hoping for the best even though IP
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>recent nonsense in its proper perspective.
>Good luck!

Well said, Rosbif!

Best wishes to you, HDJ!  And, please do report on your procedure and
progress afterward.

Burney
RP in 1995 (age 52)
RT in 2000
ADT (Casodex) 10/06 - 8/07
Latest PSA - 0.18
Steve Kramer - 21 Apr 2008 20:47 GMT
> There's more ego here than assitance IMHO.

Unfortunately, there certainly has been of late.  I think we may have gone
days and maybe 100 posts without helping a solitary soul.

> Now I'm off to play golf the day before  my cryosurgery.

Good luck with that. May you break par.
Steve Kramer - 20 Apr 2008 18:31 GMT
> I never kf anyone
> through all my years on usenet. If I don't care to read someone I just
> don't. I don't need to click on a filter to do that.

I do killfile, because I do not to waste my time on Nigerians trying to
drain the bank accounts of the unsuspecting; Chinese selling me pornographic
wares; nutraeuticals trying to sell me on their male enhancers; trolls
trying to piss me off; or even know-it-alls drolling on about their own
problems as their husbands deal with cancer.

I came here at first to get help.  I come here now to pay it back.  Those
that I kf do not fit either of those categories.  I can't fathom why anyone
would want to do otherwise in a cancer support group.
marcel - 20 Apr 2008 19:07 GMT
> > I never kf anyone
> > through all my years on usenet. If I don't care to read someone I just
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> that I kf do not fit either of those categories.  I can't fathom why anyone
> would want to do otherwise in a cancer support group.
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marcel - 20 Apr 2008 19:08 GMT
http://www.crystalinks.com/levitationtibet.html

mclovin it.
Heather - 20 Apr 2008 19:39 GMT
Keeerist.......yet another nutcase!!

http://www.crystalinks.com/levitationtibet.html

> mclovin it.
marcel - 20 Apr 2008 19:10 GMT
> > "He'sDeadJim" <Hesdeadj...@nienspamhotmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
> practice)
> also known as george bino rucker
dr george rucker urology
www.urology-partners.com
dr bino rucker
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> 2004 Year Graduates:
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
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Steve Kramer - 20 Apr 2008 20:15 GMT
> I came here at first to get help. I come here now to pay it back. Those
> that I kf do not fit either of those categories. I can't fathom why anyone
> would want to do otherwise in a cancer support group.

Prior Graduates of Cornell Urology Program

Bino Rucker, M.D.
Private Practice
Tampa, Florida

==> I'm curious at your reply to my post.  I've not involved myself in this
argument and will not until his legal problems are ended.
safire - 20 Apr 2008 08:35 GMT
> WA has all sorts of laws against libel and slander,

Leaky, the recalcitrant and obsessive ueberposter of this board, fails
to understand that the state of Washington has no jurisdiction.
"Jurisdiction, what the hell is that?", asks Leaky. Leaky is - as usual
is - clueless.

> Any lowlife who denigrates our military with blanket statements
> like that deserves his cancer, and attack dogs like He'sDeadJim deserves
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I say "illiterate" because, in fact, Calley was convicted by the Army
> and sentenced to life in prison, and it was for 33 villagers, not 500.

Who's the illiterate here? As to the number of villagers: Cambridge
University Press says "over 400":

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?aid=175133

The Army does not convict criminals. Courts do. Calley was pardoned by
Leaky's friend Richard Nixon and paroled after 3 years of house arrest.

And what happened to the others? Here's what The Toledo Blade reported:

"The Blade goes on to state that in 1971 the Army began a four and a
half year investigation of the alleged torture of prisoners, rapes of
civilian women, the mutilation of bodies and killing of anywhere from
nine to well over one hundred unarmed civilians, among other acts. The
articles further report that the Army's inquiry concluded that eighteen
U.S. soldiers committed war crimes ranging from murder and assault to
dereliction of duty. However, not one of the soldiers, even of those
still on active duty at the time of the investigation, was ever court
martialed in connection with the heinous crimes. Moreover, six suspected
war criminals were allowed to resign from military service during the
criminal investigations specifically to avoid prosecution."

http://hnn.us/articles/1802.html

But Leaky believes that these war crimes are justified:

A
> close friend of mine served side by side with Calley for years, and was
> not surprised when he went off the deep end after what they went through
> at the hands of "innocent villagers" with grenades and AK-47s.
>
> I.P.

He enjoys looking at pictures like these:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8339

Leaky's friends confirmed to the N.Y. Times that the Blade story is
accurate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/28/national/28TIGE.html

In his own words: Leaky - king of ad hominem attacks - deserves all the
illnesses he can get.
 
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