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Tri-mix Gel Report

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DoubleOwSeven - 16 Apr 2008 08:14 GMT
Since my Erections have never really returned after my prostate
cancer surgery I have tried several things to get an erection
including the pump and pills.  I hate the pump and the pills don't
seem to do much but give me a headache.  So I moved on to injecting
bi-mix and tri-mix, which work, more or less, although its not the
same as what I used to get naturally.  Initially I didn't think I
could inject into my penis but I did and it's not so bad.  I saw an ad
for a tri-mix gel that you could apply like MUSE, i.e., stick it into
the urethra opening.  It took two months for them to finally ship it
to me (its by prescription from a mail order place).  I finally got it
and tried it for the first time last night.  It actually takes more
time to mix and insert then just doing a needle injection.  But of
course there is no needle, just a tiny "turkey baster" used to install
the gel into the end of the penis.  The result was very similar to the
tri-mix injections.  One downside is that it cost $200 for 12 doses
which is quite a bit higher then the tri-mix injectable is costing me.
Another downside is that it made the end of my penis look irritated.
It didn't really feel irritated but it was red around the opening.
Since I was trying it with my left hand as a partner I didn't really
think about one issue and that is... how would this work for oral
sex???  I don't think it's flavored and I wouldn't think your partner
would want to wind up injecting it although it might not be harmful.
Still, the lost of some of the gel while getting sucked might reduce
the total benefit of it.  I'm sure the guy who dreamed this up was
thinking of straight sex where you stick it into a vagina so the gel
on the tip would not be much of an issue.  I suppose for anal sex it
might not be much of an issue either.  I'll use these up but I doubt
I'll order more since the tri-mix injections are something I'm used to
now and cost less and don't have the irritation or oral sex issues.

One advantage the Gel does have that I almost forgot to mention is
that you don't need to refrigerate or freeze it, it's a powder and Gel
packaged separately that you mix at the time of use with little
non-needle syringes that come with it.  So it could be useful as
something to take on a trip if you can't keep your tri-mix in a fridge
most of the time.
David Marchand - 17 Apr 2008 03:00 GMT
007:

You seem to be the group's expert on injections so let me ask your advice.

I too have tried the pump and pills and like you the pump doesn't work for
sex (although I suspect that it will give a cadaver a nice erection) and the
pills only give me a headache.

So, my uro gave me a bimix prescription and it does work pretty well. But I
would rate it at 70% of rock hard and you need at least 60% for decent
penetration so it barely works.

Should I ask to try trimix. Should I expect better results. 10-20%
improvement would be a lot.

David
Jerry Sturdivant - 17 Apr 2008 15:43 GMT
> So, my uro gave me a bimix prescription and it does work
> pretty well. But I would rate it at 70% of rock hard and
> you need at least 60% for decent penetration so it barely
> works.

One of the mistakes made by new injections users is to expect a 100%,
rock-hard erection from the shot. The optimum is to inject and achieve about
a 75% erection. THEN add stimulation and you should get your 100% erection.
If you inject enough for 100% without stimulation, you'll find you'll have
difficulty getting it to go down.

> Should I ask to try trimix. Should I expect better results.
> 10-20% improvement would be a lot.

There's not a whole lot of difference between the two. I use trimix because
using just Prostaglandin E1 by itself, leaves me with kind of an aching
feeling in the nuts. The trimix is usually:

PGE1 (Prostaglandin E1)   .05ml   [PROS'-ta-GLAN'-den] (Temperature
sensitive)
Phentolamine                   .55ml    [lower blood pressure] (blocks
nerves causing arteries contractions)
Papaverine                     2.5ml      [Scaring] (Relaxes smooth muscle
tissue)
Saline                            1.2ml

Hope this helps

Jerry of ASI
DoubleOwSeven - 19 Apr 2008 07:31 GMT
>007:
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>David

The common wisdom from what I've read and heard and experienced is
that tri-mix will usually be more effective then the bi-mix and it
will take a smaller quantity, somewhere around 50% to 70% less volume
needs to be injected.  I needed nearly 1cc of bimix and get about the
same result using 0.2cc of tri-mix.  One down side of trimix,
especially in the first two years after surgery, is that it tends to
produce more of the achy feeling in your penis.  It's not clear to me
what's causing the ache, is it just a chemical effect or is it achy
because it so rarely gets stretched to that size.  The stretching is
about the only value I see from using a pump, you can pump as often as
you like and stretch the penis.  But nothing seems to get the lost 1"
or so to come back.

I'd say you should go for the tri-mix, you have nothing to lose but
the price of the prescription.
ron - 17 Apr 2008 03:28 GMT
>   Since my Erections have never really returned after my prostate
> cancer surgery I have tried several things to get an erection
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> something to take on a trip if you can't keep your tri-mix in a fridge
> most of the time.

Tri-mix gel was discussed over on the PPML back in January of this
year.  I didn't really follow the thread, but the following link to an
article entitled "Fraudulent Prescriptions" was provided.  I haven't
read the article either.  If you do, I'd be interested to hear back
what you make of it...ron

http://www.uspharmacist.com/index.asp?show=article&page=8_1703.htm
DoubleOwSeven - 21 Apr 2008 01:13 GMT
>>   Since my Erections have never really returned after my prostate
>> cancer surgery I have tried several things to get an erection
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>
>http://www.uspharmacist.com/index.asp?show=article&page=8_1703.htm

I don't know if that's the same stuff or not but I don't think so.  I
can tell you that I get a prescription from my ED Doctor and had to
mail the compounding pharmacy it.  There was also a long wait for the
product as they were waiting (and waiting) for the application system
to arrive.  They also apparently called my Doctors office to verify
the prescription.  Eventually it arrived in the mail.  I have used it
twice so far.  The first time I wasn't very good at getting the gel
down into my urethra and consequently the area around the tip got a
little red and irritated looking but it didn't feel particularly
irritated.  The second time I was a lot more careful to get a good
seal when shoving the gel in.  In both cases it worked pretty much the
same as my Tri-mix injections usually work, which is to say "pretty
good".  I think this stuff is on the up and up, there's been nothing
in dealing with them that suggests otherwise.  I do get the feeling
taht it's a small operation but it was packaged well.  Call them at
877-8-trimix or visit their website.
http://www.appliedpharmacyrx.com/default.asp?ID=64
I am not connected with them in anyway.
 
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