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doofy - 23 Mar 2008 15:41 GMT
I keep reading that cancer needs lots of glucose.

Does adjusting one's diet help starve the cancer, or will it steal what
it needs from any level that the body has?
I.P. Freely - 23 Mar 2008 16:24 GMT
> I keep reading that cancer needs lots of glucose.
>
> Does adjusting one's diet help starve the cancer, or will it steal what
> it needs from any level that the body has?

Our brains also run on glucose, and only on glucose. It's sort of like
running our lives on oil, from which Al Qaeda derives a fortune.

I.P.
JK - 24 Mar 2008 02:22 GMT
>> I keep reading that cancer needs lots of glucose.
>>
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> I.P.

 I eat practically no glucose or starch, and yet my feeble brain seems to
function just fine. I'm even fairly muscular. Our bodies turn the extra we
eat into fat, and vice versa.  The issue is serum vs dietary. Does either
starve or feed the cancer cells?

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I.P. Freely - 24 Mar 2008 04:19 GMT
>   I eat practically no glucose or starch, and yet my feeble brain seems to
> function just fine. I'm even fairly muscular. Our bodies turn the extra we
> eat into fat, and vice versa.  The issue is serum vs dietary. Does either
> starve or feed the cancer cells?

Our bodies scrounge sugar from whatever source is available and break it
down into glucose (else we can't move a muscle or think a thought). If
we eat too little carbs to make that task easy, it finds other, far less
efficient sources ... i.e., it makes sugar from fat or protein. That's
why athletes who precede pre-competition carb loading with carb
deprivation get so irritable during the carb deprivation stage; it
deprives their brains of their full dose of glucose, screwing with all
their mental faculties.

I.P.
JK - 25 Mar 2008 03:01 GMT
>>   I eat practically no glucose or starch, and yet my feeble brain seems
>> to function just fine. I'm even fairly muscular. Our bodies turn the
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> I.P.

 Maybe this applies to those like you IP that are ripped like John Basedow
and have 4% body fat. You're a muscular weight lifter, and have different
needs than most of us.  Many of us older guys are carrying some fat all
over, and are glad to have our bodies find it's needed glucose from our fat
reserves.  That's why a low carb diet works so well for men. Back to the
OP... I'm not sure if the cancer feeds on serum or dietary carbs?

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I.P. Freely - 25 Mar 2008 05:32 GMT
>   Maybe this applies to those like you IP that are ripped like John Basedow
> and have 4% body fat. You're a muscular weight lifter, and have different
> needs than most of us.  Many of us older guys are carrying some fat all
> over, and are glad to have our bodies find it's needed glucose from our fat
> reserves.  That's why a low carb diet works so well for men.

Rather than debate it all over again to protect the innocent, I'll just
say this this time: hundreds of medical studies and websites say that
statement is absolutely false, on several levels. So if anyone is
tempted to try it, please do your own research ... and definitely NOT on
low-carb websites or in low-carb books.

Now for a reality check on the relevant part of the first part of that
paragraph. Yes, I work  out ... HARD ... twice a week and not as hard
another 3-4 days a week, and I eat an exceptional diet (although too
much of it because it's SO damned delicious). But unlike a low-carb
diet, those habits actually INCREASE our life spans and our physical and
mental function.

I.P.
Dave P - 25 Mar 2008 19:12 GMT
Research supports the well known fact that your body requires glucose
to function, if you have excess glucose available eat high sugar
foods, processed type foods the cancer could grow - even rapidly -
since there is a abundance of food supply. It is recommended to eat
just enough to maintain your daily functioning.

I dont care much for the fad diets - Protien, Low and High
Carbohydrate, etc. . Calorie Restriction Diets have shown success in
fighting cancer, heart disease and diabetes. I have talked to and read
about people that have PCa and are following the CR diet and they
believe that there is a major connection between sugar-glucose/
cancer.  Their theory is your organs and systems need energy to
function and they have first dibs on the sugar/glucose - the cancer
gets what is left over - if there is not much left over the cancer
cant grow or survive. It has no food.  The CR Diet also reportedly can
extend life span. You go on a CR Diet and the odds are high you will
no be visiting a doctor for any of the above but may for bone and
malnourishment related problems. These CR Diets should really be
called starvation diets and are very difficult to near impossible to
follow in US with the availability of all of our food choices. You
will find the glucose/cancer connection on the CR internet sites also.
This is a growing area of research.

Best advice is to eat healthy, exercise, reduce stress and take care
of yourself. Do your own research.

I once weighed 215 got down to 175 and now I am 184. I went for a
blood test in December and my cholosterol came back at 210. Right away
my Doc wanted to put me on simvistatin at age 51. I emailed a CR
professional and he told me to get down to 170 and I wouldnt have to
worry about cholesterol.  My family members were calling me an AIDS
Victim when I weighed 175 and always trying to feed me extra food. I
felt great at this weight but cant imagine going down to 170.
jloomis - 23 Mar 2008 16:30 GMT
Doofy, did you read my post from 3/22 about Stanfford and Dr. Brooks?
jloomis
did not see a reply and wondered what Dr. you have in the Bay Area......
jloomis
>I keep reading that cancer needs lots of glucose.
>
> Does adjusting one's diet help starve the cancer, or will it steal what it
> needs from any level that the body has?
doofy - 23 Mar 2008 21:37 GMT
> Doofy, did you read my post from 3/22 about Stanfford and Dr. Brooks?
> jloomis
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>>Does adjusting one's diet help starve the cancer, or will it steal what it
>>needs from any level that the body has?

I wasn't focused on glucose then.  I'll try to look it up.
doofy - 23 Mar 2008 21:38 GMT
> Doofy, did you read my post from 3/22 about Stanfford and Dr. Brooks?
> jloomis

I only have this message from you.
jloomis - 23 Mar 2008 22:16 GMT
Hello Doofy,
I live in fort Bragg, Calif.  In 1999 I had similiar diagnosis and I was 49.
I also had ideas about radiation therapy and such, and went to Stanford.
Dr. James D. Brooks is a wonderful teach, professor, and Urologist @
Stanford.
I would recommend seeing him and if you need a reference, I can offer that.
You need to bring all your lab work with you and any history you have of
diagnosis.
He will review the slide you may have and go from there.  Dr. Brooks is not
the only Urologist there.
They also have Oncologist, and Da Vinci......all depends on what the plan is
decided upon.
I had RP in 1999 and have had a great record since......less than 0.01 or
0.02 depending on test sensitivity.
I have no incontinence issue, and lost one set of nerves during surgery and
can and do have a wonderful sex life.
I may take 30% of a 100 mgs viagra for help now and then......
If you want to discuss this with me, I would be happy to help you out.
Good wishes, jloomis

>> Doofy, did you read my post from 3/22 about Stanfford and Dr. Brooks?
>> jloomis
>
> I only have this message from you.
doofy - 25 Mar 2008 00:37 GMT
> Hello Doofy,
> I live in fort Bragg, Calif.  In 1999 I had similiar diagnosis and I was 49.
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>>> jloomis
>> I only have this message from you.

I tried emailing you at jloomis@ocean.net, but it blew up on me.

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