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Alan Meyer - 29 Feb 2008 02:10 GMT
Before going too far in wondering about Bill Minnick's vegetarian
diet,
have a look at his web page where he "proves" that eliminating dairy
products and meat cured his cancer.

 http://www.curemycancer.org/PSA+Dairy%20History.pdf

That page has the following history:

--- Begin excerpt ---
5. Oct 2004 - 12 basal cell skin cancer spots removed after 14 months
with no new skin cancer; prostate cancer detected.
6. Dec 2004 - Lupron hormone shot (3 mo. slow release) begins prostate
cancer treatment.
7. Mar 2005 - IMRT Radiation begins; 7740 RADS received daily over 9
weeks.
8. May 2005 - Eliminate all dairy; Reduce my animal protein
consumption to white fish or shell fish for <1 meal per week.
Results: March 2005 through December 2007: No cancer of any kind for 3-
straght years; with no cows milk, I expect none.
--- End excerpt ---

I wonder if it's possible that his PSA went down as a result of Lupron
plus radiation?  After all the PSA dropped dramatically two months
BEFORE he began his macrobiotic diet.

Nah.  That couldn't be it.  It must have been the influence of
thinking
about the coming dietary change that killed his cancer.

Bill has discovered a new scientific principle.  It's a clear
and compelling case of action from the future affecting the past.
However, anyone planning to adopt this course of treatment
should be sure to get the Lupron and radiation before
beginning the macrobiotic diet.  It won't cure your cancer,
but it makes the macrobiotic diet SO much more effective.

   Alan
jloomis - 29 Feb 2008 02:48 GMT
Got Milk?
jloomis
> Before going too far in wondering about Bill Minnick's vegetarian
> diet,
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>
>    Alan
Steve Kramer - 29 Feb 2008 12:48 GMT
> I wonder if it's possible that his PSA went down as a result of Lupron
> plus radiation?  After all the PSA dropped dramatically two months
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Bill has discovered a new scientific principle.  It's a clear
> and compelling case of action from the future affecting the past.

So, distilling away the sarcasm, what do we have?

Is he actually naive about cause and effect?

Is there a mechanism on his website whereby he would benefit financially
from our visiting it?

I'm guessing he doesn't want support here....
Alan Meyer - 29 Feb 2008 17:52 GMT
> ...
> So, distilling away the sarcasm, what do we have?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I'm guessing he doesn't want support here....

Steve,

My sense is that Bill is sincere.  It looks to me like he
believes what he says and really does want to help the world.  I
couldn't find anything on his website to suggest that he was
trying to profit in any way.  I think he genuinely believes that
his diet cured his cancer, and he genuinely wants to help other
people cure their cancers as well.

I agree that he doesn't want support here.  I think he posted his
message not because he wanted help from us, but because he wanted
to help us.

It strikes me that, in his way, Bill is a good guy.  He wants to
help people.  Unfortunately however, he's a guy with a complete
misunderstanding of science and medicine.

That's pretty common.  Most people have only a limited
understanding of science and none whatsoever of cancer.  It is,
after all, an extraordinarly complex and obscure disease.

However Bill is not like most people in that he doesn't know that
he doesn't understand his disease.  He seems to think he's an
expert - so much so that he's offering advice to the whole world,
and even uses terms like "compelling proof" to describe what are
hopelessly inadequate theories.

Bill,

If you are reading this I want you to know that I genuinely
respect and appreciate your good intentions.

However I am criticizing you and I believe that you deserve
this criticism.

It's not enough to have good intentions.  People could die
because they read your web pages and decide they don't need
medical treatment, all they need to do is change what they eat.

Do you want that on your conscience?

If you really think you understand cancer, pick up ANY standard
textbook on cancer and read a few pages.  Every oncologist that
you meet will have read a number of those textbooks, as well as
many preceding books on medicine, anatomy, biology, chemistry,
and all the related topics.

Unless you can read those medical books on cancer and really
understand them, don't imagine for a moment that you're an expert
on it.

And PLEASE don't give dangerous medical advice to people.

   Alan
I.P. Freely - 29 Feb 2008 18:37 GMT
Day in and year out, nobody here says it as accurately, succinctly.
plainly, articulately, rationally, and perceptively as Alan. Curtis came
close when he had the time, but he has, alas, faded from sight, so Alan
represents our voice of reason, IMO. He tells it like it is, but with
kid gloves.

I.P.

> My sense is that Bill is sincere.  It looks to me like he
> believes what he says and really does want to help the world.  I
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>
>     Alan
Alan Meyer - 29 Feb 2008 18:46 GMT
Thanks for the kind words I.P.

  Alan
Steve Kramer - 29 Feb 2008 21:17 GMT
>> Is he actually naive about cause and effect?

> Steve,
>
> My sense is that Bill is sincere.  It looks to me like he
> believes what he says and really does want to help the world.

<< much good advice redacted >>

Alan,

Once again I am humbled by your patience.  You make me very happy I changed
"incredibly stupid" to "naive."
jloomis - 01 Mar 2008 03:18 GMT
In the past I have heard many comments concerning milk and milk products and
human consumption.
I guess it comes from milk being a food for calves..........high protein,
energy source.
I also know that many are alergic to milk and milk products.
I really did not mean to make a joke out of a persons (Bills) thoughts and
experiences concerning the abstence of milk and his well being. (Got Milk)
I am no Dr. and or food/diet technician.
I do know that all food in moderation, is a good direction.
I am very happy for Bill feeling better concerning his diet and his health
being in a better state.
What we need is more evidence in this matter, and understand why some may be
persuaded with the "new found" cure and the cancer regression and using the
diet as the reason.
Again, I am a layman, and hear all kinds of diets and such.
I do try to stick with vegetables, fruits, like meat/chicken/fish......Nuts
and oats are good, whole grain, avoid fast food, and on and on.
My brother cured his High Blood Pressure with "the book"Diet for Life.
Anyway, more power to those who feel better by eating less fat and dieting.
jloomis

> Before going too far in wondering about Bill Minnick's vegetarian
> diet,
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>
>    Alan

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