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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / February 2008My compelling proof
Bill wrote: > I am age 67 now and have been cancer free for 3 years. I have > gathered solid evidence that eliminating milk and dairy foods > in my diet stopped my continuous progression of 4 cancers Tell us how anyone can say "(undetected) cancers in remission for the past 3 years and counting." Is that like having an undetected hangnail in remission? Or having undetected blindness in remission? Or maybe having undetected incontinence in remission? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 > Bill wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 When blood PSA is below 4 but rising, and a digital exam does not detect prostate cancer, then cancer may exist in the prostate, but the tumor is small and not detected. This was the case with me in 2003. When I added organic cows milk (about 2 glasses per day) and some cheese, the PSA shot up from 2.7 to 5.8, 12 facial skin cancers appeared and prostate cancer was detected in biopsy. From 1996 thru 2002, I had had basal cell cancers every year with dairy & meat in my diet. In November 2002 I stopped eating all animal source foods. For 18 months I had no cancers detected - - until I added milk/cheese back in my diet and "promoted" multiple cancers. Look at the following link on my web site to see my experience charted: www.curemycancer.org/PSA+Dairy History.pdf my PSA chart is taken directly from my medical records. I added markers showing when I was on and off cows Milk/dairy to give a better understanding of this evidence of milk/dairy promoting cancer (turning cancers off, then on, then off - - much as Dr. Campbell did and documented in Chapter 3 "Turning off Cancer" in his book, "The China Study." If anyone reading this message has a legitimate interest in science and discovery, then please contact me via Email and we can discuss details of my case further. - - Bill > > Bill wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Look at the following link on my web site to see my experience > charted:www.curemycancer.org/PSA+Dairy History.pdf SORRY ABOUT THIS LINK: put one space between Dairy and History and copy the whole link(through .pdf) and paste it in the URL and it works. > my PSA chart is taken directly from my medical records. I added > markers showing when I was on and off cows Milk/dairy to give a better [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and discovery, then please contact me via Email and we can discuss > details of my case further. - - Bill > > > Bill wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > and discovery, then please contact me via Email and we can discuss > > details of my case further. - - Bill Bill, This is pretty upsetting. According to the chart you had ADT plus radiation at the same time as you stopped eating animal products. What in the world makes you think it was the dietary change and not the medical treatment that reduced your PSA??? Why aren't you telling people to get treatment? Clearly that's what reduced your PSA, not the dietary change. You need to get real Bill. Before reading the page you cite I merely thought your claims were misguided. Now I see that they're ridiculous. Alan > > > > Bill wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Alan, All the radiation I got was directed and limited to +/- 1mm accuracy to deal with Esophageal cancer - - located no where near my prostate. All of my doctors agreed that the treatment I received for Esophageal cancer would not have any significant effect on my prostate. My chart shows very clearly the specific impact on PSA of milk added to my diet in 2004; adding dairy to my diet was the only change I made in my life-activities within months of the abrupt rise in PSA and subsequent cancers. Though I used a combination of medical and diet change to deal with my cancers, medical alone gave me a 1 to 2 in 20 chance of survival until January 2008 with my cascading cancer record in 2002. It was my diet change (getting off Dairy permanently) in 2004 that has left me cancer free for the past 3 years - - the first 3-year period in the last 9 that I have been cancer-free. If someone wanted to make it it worth my while, I would prove my point by going back on 3 qts of milk per week and within 6 months be diagnosed with multiple basal cell cancers and probably worse - - as happened last time I went back on milk. If all you are on line to do is discredit me (perhaps as a paid obfuscator from the dairy industry), have at it - - I rest my case; the information anyone needs to evaluate my observations is on my web site: www.EndCancerNow.org , backed up by my complete medical records which I am willing to provide any legitimate researcher. - -Bill > If anyone reading this message has a legitimate interest in science > and discovery, then please contact me via Email and we can discuss > details of my case further. Bill, we don't care about your milk hangup. We've already scientifically proved that milk does not always cause PC in a meaningful time frame, and I'm also scientific proof that milk does not always cause facial cancer in any meaningful time frame. I will guarantee you that many people here comprehend and apply science to extents you cannot even imagine. I.P. On Feb 28, 12:30 pm, "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddabou...@noway.nohow> wrote: > > If anyone reading this message has a legitimate interest in science > > and discovery, then please contact me via Email and we can discuss [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I.P. And you, who seems to pee freely with your negativity and one-track- mindedness, are a clasic example of why, on the present course, no cure for cancer will be found, and like thinking "scientists" will have a job for life - - not ever discovering a real, effective, low cost cancer prevention approach. - - Bill > And you, who seems to pee freely with your negativity and one-track- > mindedness, are a clasic example of why, on the present course, no > cure for cancer will be found, and like thinking "scientists" will > have a job for life - - not ever discovering a real, effective, low > cost cancer prevention approach. - - Bill Given that we've proved scientifically that "milk causes cancer" is not a fact, on what scientific basis can you claim eliminating milk will cure it? I.P. On Feb 28, 12:49 pm, "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddabou...@noway.nohow> wrote: > > And you, who seems to pee freely with your negativity and one-track- > > mindedness, are a clasic example of why, on the present course, no [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I.P. Mr. Free Peer: If so, A. State here for the record your specific reference to your "Proof" that milk does not cause cancer. B. In the absense of valid, existing, related research, my hypothesis - - that milk/dairy products are a primary promoter of many/most cancer tumor growth in the human body - - needs to be proven (or disproven) through valid research. Organization and funding of this research, predictably, has certainly NOT been tops on the agenda of the Dairy industry, the USDA, the NIH, nor any research organizations that receive their funds from these sources. - - Bill ... > A. State here for the record your specific reference to your "Proof" > that milk does not cause cancer. ... As I pointed out in the other thread, the proof is here: http://tinyurl.com/2zf72r Please read my posting about this in the other thread which discusses this at some length. You also said in a posting earlier in this thread: " All the radiation I got was directed and limited to +/- 1mm accuracy to deal with Esophageal cancer - - located no where near my prostate. All of my doctors agreed that the treatment I received for Esophageal cancer would not have any significant effect on my prostate. " I don't understand that. Why were you given Lupron? Lupron is not a treatment for esophageal cancer. It has nothing to do with esophageal cancer. Pubmed shows 525 articles about Lupron and prostate cancer and zero articles on Lupron and esophageal cancer. Lupron is a standard treatment for prostate cancer, and it is often given several months before radiation, as in your case. It absolutely WILL reduce PSA to near zero in most men, and clearly did in your case. As for the radiation, I'm thinking that you are confused about that too. The standard radiation dose for prostate cancer these days is 74-80 Gy. You had 77.40. The standard dose for esophageal cancer is 50 Gy. See for example: http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200416/000020041604A0531459.php which says: "At present, four cycles of 5-FU/cisplatin combined with 50Gy of RT is a standard CT-RT regimen for advanced esophageal cancer in the U.S" You don't mention receiving any cisplatin. Did you have to take your pants off when you received the radiation? You would have had to do that for prostate radiation. I'm not sure that would be required for radiation of the esophagus, though I don't really know one way or another, since I've never had esophageal cancer. Bill, you'd be amazed at how many people publish cancer cures on the net. Some believe that drinking tea cures cancer, not wearing shoes, or drinking urine (yes we had one of those). As I said in my other posting, there has been a "modest" association found between dairy products and susceptibility to non-aggressive prostate cancer. I'm trying hard to convince you in a rational way that you're barking up the wrong tree. Please read the relevant materials cited above for more about it. However I'm not going to spend more time on this. I've shown you the evidence. If you don't see it, there really isn't any more I can say. I wish you the best of luck with your cancers and am glad to hear that you currently appear to be cancer free. Alan > ...> A. State here for the record your specific reference to your "Proof" > > that milk does not cause cancer. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > this at some length. . . . . . > Alan Alan, Thanks for the reference. I will examine the research you sited in depth, and may assign a team of experts to give it an independent evaluation. If our evaluation uncovers flaws in this research, I will arrange to publish our evaluation here and in other, more important venues. - - Bill > Mr. Free Peer: > A. State here for the record your specific reference to your "Proof" > that milk does not cause cancer. I posted the proof in its full text. Once again: "1. I drank huge quantities of milk for 60 years before incurring cancer or seeing any PSA rise. All by itself, that proves that milk does not, by itself, necessarily cause cancer." I then referred to that proof again: "We've already scientifically proved that milk does not always cause PC" I.P. And you, who seems to pee freely with your negativity and one-track- mindedness, are a clasic example of why, on the present course, no cure for cancer will be found, and like thinking "scientists" will have a job for life - - not ever discovering a real, effective, low cost cancer prevention approach. - - Bill ==> I.P. You have pissed me off before, but I did not know you were preventing the cure for cancer. You bastard! On February 28, Steve K addressed Señor Freely: Quoting Bill: > And you, who seems to pee freely with your negativity and one-track- > mindedness, are a clasic example of why, on the present course, no > cure for cancer will be found, and like thinking "scientists" will > have a job for life - - not ever discovering a real, effective, low > cost cancer prevention approach. Steve K responded: > ==> I.P. You have pissed me off before, but I did not know you were > preventing the cure for cancer. You bastard! ***snert*** Keyboard! Hee hee. Regards, Steve J "You can fool some of the people some of the time, and those are the ones you need to concentrate on." --Christopher Buckley > ... > Steve K responded: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ***snert*** Keyboard! Hee hee. > ... That was indeed a great one. We should add, "non-I.P. carborundum". Alan > And you, who seems to pee freely with your negativity and one-track- > mindedness, are a clasic example of why, on the present course, no [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ==> I.P. You have pissed me off before, but I did not know you were > preventing the cure for cancer. You bastard! I hereby apologize profusely for my dear mother's sin. As for preventing cancer cures, I'll go quietly now and drink my pee pee. I.P. WARNING: I am not concerned for I.P., Leonard, Steve J., Heather, Alan, etc., etc., etc., who know better. But for our newer members, I feel it is necessary to point out that if all of this is true, he might have had some benign prostate issues. Personnally, I wouldn't believe at this point that his name is "Bill". When blood PSA is below 4 but rising, and a digital exam does not detect prostate cancer, then cancer may exist in the prostate, but the tumor is small and not detected. This was the case with me in 2003. When I added organic cows milk (about 2 glasses per day) and some cheese, the PSA shot up from 2.7 to 5.8, 12 facial skin cancers appeared and prostate cancer was detected in biopsy. From 1996 thru 2002, I had had basal cell cancers every year with dairy & meat in my diet. In November 2002 I stopped eating all animal source foods. For 18 months I had no cancers detected - - until I added milk/cheese back in my diet and "promoted" multiple cancers. Look at the following link on my web site to see my experience charted: www.curemycancer.org/PSA+Dairy History.pdf my PSA chart is taken directly from my medical records. I added markers showing when I was on and off cows Milk/dairy to give a better understanding of this evidence of milk/dairy promoting cancer (turning cancers off, then on, then off - - much as Dr. Campbell did and documented in Chapter 3 "Turning off Cancer" in his book, "The China Study." If anyone reading this message has a legitimate interest in science and discovery, then please contact me via Email and we can discuss details of my case further. - - Bill  SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years Casodex added daily 07/06 PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, <0.04, <0.1 2/12/08 Non Illegitimi Carborundum > WARNING: I am not concerned for I.P., Leonard, Steve J., Heather, Alan, > etc., etc., etc., who know better. > > But for our newer members, I feel it is necessary to point out that if all > of this is true, he might have had some benign prostate issues. > Personnally, I wouldn't believe at this point that his name is "Bill". Steve, How about a wager here. If I prove to you my name is "Bill", you ante up $1,000,000 to kick off probably the first legitimate research on my above Hypothesis: "Milk/dairy is a primary promoter of most human cancers." On the otherhand, If my name is not "Bill", I will disappear from these pages, never to write another word about my cancer hypotheses based on my documented experience. Do we have a wager ?? BTW does Gleason 3,3 biopsy, Nov 2004 and $100,000 I spent on prostate radiation in 2005 constitute "Benign Prostate Probolems" you suggested I had ?? - - Bill On Feb 28, 2:13 pm, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote: > "Bill" <svpa...@rahul.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of this is true, he might have had some benign prostate issues. > Personnally, I wouldn't believe at this point that his name is "Bill". Steve, How about a wager here. If I prove to you my name is "Bill", you ante up $1,000,000 to kick off probably the first legitimate research on my above Hypothesis: "Milk/dairy is a primary promoter of most human cancers." On the otherhand, If my name is not "Bill", I will disappear from these pages, never to write another word about my cancer hypotheses based on my documented experience. Do we have a wager ?? BTW does Gleason 3,3 biopsy, Nov 2004 and $100,000 I spent on prostate radiation in 2005 constitute "Benign Prostate Probolems" you suggested I had ?? - - Bill ==> I will go so far as to say, with these new assertion that you may be a "Bill". I may even concede that your claims of prostate cancer are more believable. As such, I will speak to you as I do other new members with your misunderstandings.... Bill, esophageal tumors and skin lesions are rarely, if ever, prostate cancer. Most knowledgeable cancer patients (not debating your status, only knowledge) state their history in age, PSA, Gleason, and Stage. However, based on others' responses, you apparently had ADT. I'm guessing your radiation (and maybe even a surgery before that) failed and you are now on ADT. If so, your Stage is probably T3 or T4. I will not go to your website because I am concerned you have less than ultraistic motives for same. But, if you have advanced prostate cancer, you will find wonderful support here. But, not financial. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years Casodex added daily 07/06 PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, <0.04, <0.1 2/12/08 Non Illegitimi Carborundum ..... > ==> I will go so far as to say, with these new assertion that you may be a > "Bill". I may even concede that your claims of prostate cancer are more [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ultraistic motives for same. But, if you have advanced prostate cancer, you > will find wonderful support here. But, not financial. Steve, Your above confusion & obfuscation, coupled with condescension, and refusal to read my website information is your loss. I prepared this medical history and my hypotheses with my best intentions and motives to help others, all at my cost. Based on your responses here this will be my last reply to you - - unless you get up to speed on what I have said here and in my website writings and come up with a valid point or question. - -Bill Steve, Your above confusion & obfuscation, coupled with condescension, and refusal to read my website information is your loss. I prepared this medical history and my hypotheses with my best intentions and motives to help others, all at my cost. Based on your responses here this will be my last reply to you - - unless you get up to speed on what I have said here and in my website writings and come up with a valid point or question. - -Bill ==> Okay, I can live with that. However, if you would like to participate in the newsgroup as opposed to your website, I'll be here. |
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