>> I had an RP 3 1/2 years ago and have had a constant PSA reading of
>> 0.09 ever since. My current Uro says that a
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> And was he cavalier as he informed you that he suspects he didn't finish the
> only job he had that morning -- cutting out the prostate?
OP refers to his "current uro". To most people that would suggest the
uro talking about the sliver isn't the one that left it there.
> I wonder what the chances are of having cancer form from benign prostate
> material a second time in one's life. I suspect that with the DNA being a
> constant, the chances are pretty good.
ronju99 - 18 Dec 2007 22:44 GMT
Rhonda Joy,
You are sooooo observant in correcting Steve. It's a shame the
majority of your replies are so far off the mark.
Ron S.
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jhhtexas@ieee.org - 19 Dec 2007 00:54 GMT
> Rhonda Joy,
> You are sooooo observant in correcting Steve. It's a shame the
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To clarify, my current Uro is in Texas, but the Uro who did my RP was
at UCLA.
> If a sliver was left, how can your uro say that it was benign?
>
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> material a second time in one's life. I suspect that with the DNA being a
> constant, the chances are pretty good.
Steve...Leaving some tissue behind after RP isn't all that uncommon.
Positive margins, where cancerous cells may remain behind, and
negative margins, where benign tissue may have been left along the
resected margin are two possibilities. These two possibilities can be
distinguished by changes in PSA over time. A constant reading over
time, as in jhtte's case, is highly suggestive of tissue that is
benign...Best wishes and good health, ron
Shinghal R, Yemoto C, McNeal JE, Brooks JD:
Biochemical recurrence without PSA progression characterizes a subset
of patients after radical prostatectomy.
Urology 61:380-5, 2003.
Department of Urology, Stanford University Medical Center, Stanford,
California 94305-5118, USA.
OBJECTIVES: To characterize a subset of patients with biochemical
recurrence
after radical prostatectomy but with little, if any, subsequent rise
in serum prostate-specific antigen (PSA) and no clinical progression
during long-term follow-up.
METHODS: Of a series of 600 patients, 158 with biochemical recurrence
after radical prostatectomy were examined. We identified a subset with
measurable serum PSA levels during long-term follow-up, but with very
low PSA velocity and no clinical recurrence. Serum PSA was measured
with the ultrasensitive TOSOH assay with a PSA recurrence defined as a
serum PSA of 0.07 ng/mL or greater.
RESULTS: We identified 14 patients (8.8% of biochemical recurrences)
with a detectable serum PSA level after radical prostatectomy yet
without clinical or PSA progression at a mean follow-up after radical
prostatectomy of 10.3 years. The mean time to PSA recurrence was 5.8
years, and the mean PSA velocity after recurrence was 0.028 ng/mL/yr.
No clinical or pathologic features were found that could be used to
identify this subset of patients.
CONCLUSIONS: A subset of patients with biochemical recurrence after
radical prostatectomy will not exhibit a progressive rise in serum PSA
or clinical progression at 10 years follow-up. This suggests that
serum PSA kinetics should be observed after biochemical recurrence
before adjuvant hormonal therapy or radiotherapy.
PMID: 12597952
Steve Kramer - 18 Dec 2007 22:19 GMT
> Steve...Leaving some tissue behind after RP isn't all that uncommon.
I agree. But, should it happen?
> A constant reading over
> time, as in jhtte's case, is highly suggestive of tissue that is
> benign.
I agree again. And, maybe I was just thinking out loud. And, maybe I
should not have been considering we are talking about a man's specific case,
but I am curious as to whether a sliver of benign prostate tissue becomes a
ticking timebomb if the DNA is already corrupted.
> ..Best wishes and good health, ron
You, too, ron. You don't mince words and your corrections are always slam
dunks and yet well intentioned. I appreciate your presence here and let you
know far too seldom.