Hello All.
Just diagnosed this week via biopsy. Age 68, PSA 1.7 (w/Proscar), DRE
unremarkable. Recent history of breast cancer (yes, guys get it too) and a
BRCA2 genetic mutation together with a brothers prostate cancer experience,
lead him to suggest the procedure. I appreciate his suggesting the biopsy.
Another man may have sent me home reassured and unknowing
I'm doing the usual crash course on PCa, treatments, outcomes, etc.
Sit-down meeting with Uro next Tuesday for a discussion of this weeks bone
scan and CRT and what's next.
I have a suspicion that since he is a surgeon, his recommendation will be
surgery. I suspect that when I consult with a radiologist, he will
recommend radiation. When your tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a
nail.
So I now have a breast surgeon, a medical oncologist who is following my
course of Tamoxifen, a urology surgeon and soon expect a radiologist.
Has anyone been successful finding a gatekeeper who helps one through the
multiple opinions. Use a GP, some neutral specialty, or how did you deal
with it.
I also feel time is on my side and I should make haste slowly. This thing
need not be decided immediately.
I've just gotten over the mastectomy, I would rather spend the next few
months listening to this group and what ever sources I can find.
Chuck
Leonard Evens - 14 Oct 2007 02:52 GMT
> Hello All.
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> recommend radiation. When your tool is a hammer, every problem looks
> like a nail.
Not necessarily. I had a Gleason 7=3+4, PSA 4.5, T1c case at age 67.
My urologist suggested either surgery or radiation. I chose surgery,
which he did. But had I chosen radiation, I'm sure he would have been
happy to refer me to a radiation oncologist.
In making the decision, you need to try to balance the likelihood of a
cure against the likelihood of side effects which might impact your life.
I chose surgery for a variety of reasons. My urologist estimated that
with his doing the surger, at age 67, the likelihood of ending up
permanently impotent was about 50 percent. I figured the odds of
impotence might be slightly lower with radiation, but since I hoped to
live at least another 20 years, I felt that surgery had more reliable
data about recurrence and long time survival in cases like mine. Still
it was a close thing. Had I been five years older I would probably have
chosen radiation. That is because for men over 70, the odds of
impotence after surgery go up rather quickly but for radiation not so
quickly. At the same time, an older man has a shorter expected lifetime
and perhaps need not worry about reccurrence.
As it has turned out I have been PSA free for 6 years now, but I was
impotent for 18 months. During that time I used a pump with reasonable
success, and my wife an I continued our sex life more or less as befre
surgery.
Perhaps some of these same considerations apply to you, but clearly the
breast cancer may change the situation significantly. If I were you, I
would try to get as many opinions as possible and also try to get the
different physicians taking care of you to talk to oneanother about your
case.
> So I now have a breast surgeon, a medical oncologist who is following my
> course of Tamoxifen, a urology surgeon and soon expect a radiologist.
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> Chuck
Steve Kramer - 14 Oct 2007 11:36 GMT
> Just diagnosed this week via biopsy. Age 68, PSA 1.7 (w/Proscar), DRE
> unremarkable. Recent history of breast cancer (yes, guys get it too)
Yeah, we know guys get breast cancer. Damn, Chuck! That's a tough couple
of diagnoses in a short time.
We do have a couple of multiple cancer patients here and I'm sure they'll
jump in. It is my recollection that they pretty much treat them as separate
cancers.
Your PSA is low (even with Proscar). You did not mention a Stage or
Gleason. Assuming it is a Gleason of 7 or less and Stage 2 or less, if your
body is in good shape, then surgery has the statistically best chance of a
cure. However, if your numbers are higher or you have the typical
68-year-old body, or your body is depleted due to your recent major surgery,
then radiation is not far from surgery when it comes to possibilities of a
cure. Of course, those possibilities go down remakably if the Gleason is
higher and are relatively elminiated if the Stage is higher.
The good news is, prostate cancer is a slow-growing cancer and, generally,
the older one is, the slower it grows.
I wish I could say that it is the least of your cancer worries, but I'd have
to see those other two numbers before suggesting my nearly-useless,
non-medical opinion as such.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, __??___ 10/11/07
Non Illegitimi Carborundum
Alan Meyer - 14 Oct 2007 22:17 GMT
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> PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
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> PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, __??___ 10/11/07
One thing I always like about Steve's postings, and that I like more and
more as time goes by, is that he was diagnosed seven years ago,
failed primary treatment, but is still here with us, still kicking, and
still
with his cancer under control.
It gives heart to all of us.
> Non Illegitimi Carborundum
As do his watchwords.
Alan
Steve Kramer - 15 Oct 2007 01:07 GMT
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>> PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
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> As do his watchwords.
How about that! I hadn't realized it would be an anniversary PSA (whenever
I get the result).
Wow! I didn't realize it was 7 years either. How time flies. I originally
expected to be dead next year -- an appointment I am happy to scratch!
Beverley - 15 Oct 2007 15:23 GMT
It's a tough decision. Brachytherapy does work. It's important to find a
good doctor no matter which procedure you decide to have. Brachy is easier
to undergo. It's done as a an outpatient in most hospitals especially if you
have someone at home to care for and wait on you for a few days as you
should remain a couch potato afterwards. Not everyone is a candidate for
brachytherapy for a variety of reasons. Talk to several doctors. You don't
need to make an instant decision, but you don't want to waste time either.
Bev
> Hello All.
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> Chuck