Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / October 2007
Standard Treatment for Prostate Cancer May Encourage Spread of Diseas
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c palmer - 03 Oct 2007 11:45 GMT BALTIMORE, MD -- October 1, 2007 -- A popular prostate cancer treatment called androgen deprivation therapy may encourage prostate cancer cells to produce a protein that makes them more likely to spread throughout the body, a new study by Johns Hopkins researchers suggests.
Although the finding could eventually lead to changes in this standard treatment for a sometimes deadly disease, the Johns Hopkins researchers caution that their discovery is far too preliminary for prostate cancer patients or physicians to stop using it.
The therapy is effective at slowing tumor growth, they emphasized.
David Berman, an assistant professor of pathology, urology and oncology at The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, and his colleagues identified the unsuspected potential problem with treatments that suppress testosterone after discovering that the gene that codes for the protein, called nestin, was active in lab-grown human prostate cancer cells.
Curious about whether prostate cancer cells in people also produce nestin, the researchers looked for it in cells taken from men who had surgery to remove locally confined cancers of their prostates and found none. But when they looked for nestin in prostate cancer cells isolated from patients who had died of metastatic prostate cancer - in which cancer cells spread out from the prostate tumor - they found substantial evidence that the nestin gene was active.
What was different, Berman speculated, is that androgen deprivation therapy, a treatment that reduces testosterone in the body, is generally given only when prostate cancers become aggressive and likely to metastasize.
Because prostate cancer growth is typically stimulated by testosterone, the treatment is thought to slow tumor growth and weaken the disease. Patients who eventually die because their disease metastasizes are almost certain to have received this type of therapy, he says.
Speculating that depriving cells of androgens might also, however, affect nestin expression, the researchers experimented on a prostate cancer cell line that depends on androgens to grow. When they removed androgens from the chemical mixture that the cells live in, their production of nestin increased.
Aware that the nestin gene has long been suggested to play some role in cell growth and development, Berman and his colleagues used a bit of laboratory sabotage called RNA interference to decrease the genetic expression of nestin and found that these cells weren't able to move around and through other cells nearly as well as cells with normal nestin levels.
Prostate cancer cells with hampered nestin expression were also less likely than normal prostate cancer cells to migrate to other parts of the body when transplanted into mice. However, while nestin expression seemed pivotal for metastasis in these experiments, it didn't seem to make a difference in tumor growth.
"What all this suggests is that nestin levels increased when prostate cancer cells are deprived of androgens and may encourage the cells to metastasize," says Berman.
Besides Berman, other Johns Hopkins researchers involved in this study were Wolfram Kleeberger, MD, G. Steven Bova, MD, Matthew E. Nielsen, MD, Mehsati Herawi, MD, PhD, Ai-Ying Chuang, MD, and Jonathan I. Epstein, MD.
The research, published in the Oct. 1 issue of Cancer Research, was funded by grants from the National Institutes of Health, National Cancer Institute, Evensen Family Foundation, and German Cancer Aid Foundation.
SOURCE: Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Steve Jordan - 03 Oct 2007 19:17 GMT On October 3, Curtis posted:
> BALTIMORE, MD -- October 1, 2007 -- A popular prostate cancer treatment > called androgen deprivation therapy may encourage prostate cancer cells > to produce a protein that makes them more likely to spread throughout > the body, a new study by Johns Hopkins researchers suggests. (snip)
The headline on the article, which is from JH's publicity people, is, "Standard treatment for prostate cancer may encourage spread of disease," as Curtis quotes on the Subject line. Scary isn't it?
Here is something from the article that we all should read and reread: "....the Johns Hopkins researchers caution that their discovery is far too preliminary for prostate cancer patients or physicians to stop using it (ADT)."
Credit the article's publishers for at least including those cautionary words, notwithstanding the frightening headline.
Rather than rely upon the Johns Hopkins publicity folks, we might want to read at least the abstract of the article, entitled "Roles for the Stem Cell–Associated Intermediate Filament Nestin in Prostate Cancer Migration and Metastasis."
It's at
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/67/19/9199
or
http://tinyurl.com/2yt4uv
One very interesting statement in the abstract that is absent from the publicity release is, "...the function of Nestin is poorly understood."
Others might have varying opinions, but mine is that I never, ever, accept uncritically a medical article from the news media or from someone's PR people.
Regards,
Steve J
c palmer - 03 Oct 2007 20:22 GMT From: mycroftscj1@cox.net (Steve Jordan) On October 3, Curtis posted:
BALTIMORE, MD -- October 1, 2007 -- A popular prostate cancer treatment called androgen deprivation therapy may encourage prostate cancer cells to produce a protein that makes them more likely to spread throughout the body, a new study by Johns Hopkins researchers suggests. (snip) The headline on the article, which is from JH's publicity people, is, "Standard treatment for prostate cancer may encourage spread of disease," as Curtis quotes on the Subject line. Scary isn't it? Here is something from the article that we all should read and reread: "....the Johns Hopkins researchers caution that their discovery is far too preliminary for prostate cancer patients or physicians to stop using it (ADT)." Credit the article's publishers for at least including those cautionary words, notwithstanding the frightening headline. Rather than rely upon the Johns Hopkins publicity folks, we might want to read at least the abstract of the article, entitled "Roles for the Stem CellAssociated Intermediate Filament Nestin in Prostate Cancer Migration and Metastasis." It's at http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/67/19/9199 or http://tinyurl.com/2yt4uv One very interesting statement in the abstract that is absent from the publicity release is, "...the function of Nestin is poorly understood." Others might have varying opinions, but mine is that I never, ever, accept uncritically a medical article from the news media or from someone's PR people. Regards, Steve J
=====> i agree with you steve. the header that i posted here was the header from the article. maybe they are trying to do the newspaper thing and sell more papers or use it as a shocker headline.
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Alan Meyer - 05 Oct 2007 02:06 GMT > ... > Rather than rely upon the Johns Hopkins publicity folks, we might want > to read at least the abstract of the article ... I find it disturbing that public relations people write press releases about medical research.
Someone once posted some information here that indicated that surgery is the only useful treatment for prostate cancer and that radiation actually makes it more likely that you'll die. (I may be exaggerating, but that's my recollection of what was said.) It came from the Mayo Clinic, another very prestigious institution, like Hopkins.
I found the article and it didn't say that at all. The press release badly distorted the claims in the article. It was really sensationalist.
I can understand why nerdy doctors may not be the best people to write press releases, but the medical staff ought to review their institution's press releases with something like the same scrutiny that they give to their scientific publications.
It seems inexcusable to me that organizations like Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic should use careful, precise, justifiable language when writing for their scientific colleagues, but allow sensationalist claptrap to be published to the public.
Alan
VB - 05 Oct 2007 14:49 GMT >> ... >> Rather than rely upon the Johns Hopkins publicity folks, we might want [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Alan I understand your reluctance to accept the gospel from the non-professionals, but sometimes they are correct.
The phenomenon of metastatic PCa becoming able to grow without testosterone is known and happens, eventually, in all men that are undergoing ADT therapy. This research is simply trying to elucidate the mechanism behind this process.
If there is substance to this work, then it simply means that we need another approach to containing metastatic PCa.
Vernon
Steve Jordan - 05 Oct 2007 19:53 GMT My October 3 reply to Curtis has mysteriously disappeared from the thread.
Here's a copy:
On October 3, Curtis posted:
> BALTIMORE, MD -- October 1, 2007 -- A popular prostate cancer treatment > called androgen deprivation therapy may encourage prostate cancer cells > to produce a protein that makes them more likely to spread throughout > the body, a new study by Johns Hopkins researchers suggests. (snip)
The headline on the article, which is from JH's publicity people, is, "Standard treatment for prostate cancer may encourage spread of disease," as Curtis quotes on the Subject line. Scary isn't it?
Here is something from the article that we all should read and reread: "....the Johns Hopkins researchers caution that their discovery is far too preliminary for prostate cancer patients or physicians to stop using it (ADT)."
Credit the article's publishers for at least including those cautionary words, notwithstanding the frightening headline.
Rather than rely upon the Johns Hopkins publicity folks, we might want to read at least the abstract of the article, entitled "Roles for the Stem Cell–Associated Intermediate Filament Nestin in Prostate Cancer Migration and Metastasis."
It's at
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/67/19/9199
or
http://tinyurl.com/2yt4uv
One very interesting statement in the abstract that is absent from the publicity release is, "...the function of Nestin is poorly understood."
Others might have varying opinions, but mine is that I never, ever, accept uncritically a medical article from the news media or from someone's PR people.
Regards,
Steve J
california_chief - 05 Oct 2007 23:45 GMT > My October 3 reply to Curtis has mysteriously disappeared from the thread. I still have it in my reader. <VBG>
Steve Jordan - 06 Oct 2007 19:54 GMT >> My October 3 reply to Curtis has mysteriously disappeared from the thread. > > I still have it in my reader. <VBG> It's back, now. I'll never understand.....
Regards,
Steve J
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limey - 06 Oct 2007 16:59 GMT > BALTIMORE, MD -- October 1, 2007 -- A popular prostate cancer > treatment called androgen deprivation therapy may encourage prostate [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > researchers caution that their discovery is far too preliminary for > prostate cancer patients or physicians to stop using it. <snip>
As you may know from my previous posts, my husband has metastized prostate cancer (Gleason 10). Like everyone else, he and I were interested in the article which Curtis alerted us to.
Our son is a Hopkins Ph.D. trained in cancer research. I forwarded him the full article and you might be interested in his comments, especially about our primary MD.
"This study is looking into the biochemical basis for metastasis of prostate cancer. The molecule (Nestin) they studied is seen as a marker for cancer cell spread. The findings in the paper are derived from the study of cells in vitro (laboratory); it is not a clinical study per se and so any interpretations drawn are not yet relevant for treatment protocols. Dad's cancer had already metastasized to bone by the time he was diagnosed, so hormone therapy (anti androgen therapy) was still the best front-line approach. For cells that are already spread but are not androgen dependent, nestin is also a marker for how aggressive those cells will become as they grow. (Hormone therapy is not effective against those androgen-independent cells, and those are the cells that grow out at the end stage of the disease, which I know Dad's doctor has explained to him.) This paper is basic research that observes that nestin may be stimulated in some cells that are treated with anti-androgen therapy. Because that was an interesting observation, more is being made of this through PR than should be the case. That is unfortunate, because many patients get misled by situations like this, into thinking their therapies are inappropriate.
"Unfortunately, the fact that Dad was placed on testosterone (androgen) by Dr. Sprouse, and then not monitored, despite the fact that he was showing prostate hypertrophy (urination problems were an indication of that) was probably the root cause of the rapid progression of his cancer. From the time it was detected, his disease can only be slowed, and pain managed.
"Of course, this is my interpretation. Dad's doctor (or an oncologist, if he will see one) are better qualified to advise."
Dora
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