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Standard Treatment for Prostate Cancer May Encourage Spread of    Diseas

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c palmer - 03 Oct 2007 11:45 GMT
BALTIMORE, MD -- October 1, 2007 -- A popular prostate cancer treatment
called androgen deprivation therapy may encourage prostate cancer cells
to produce a protein that makes them more likely to spread throughout
the body, a new study by Johns Hopkins researchers suggests.

Although the finding could eventually lead to changes in this standard
treatment for a sometimes deadly disease, the Johns Hopkins researchers
caution that their discovery is far too preliminary for prostate cancer
patients or physicians to stop using it.

The therapy is effective at slowing tumor growth, they emphasized.

David Berman, an assistant professor of pathology, urology and oncology
at The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, and his colleagues
identified the unsuspected potential problem with treatments that
suppress testosterone after discovering that the gene that codes for the
protein, called nestin, was active in lab-grown human prostate cancer
cells.

Curious about whether prostate cancer cells in people also produce
nestin, the researchers looked for it in cells taken from men who had
surgery to remove locally confined cancers of their prostates and found
none. But when they looked for nestin in prostate cancer cells isolated
from patients who had died of metastatic prostate cancer - in which
cancer cells spread out from the prostate tumor - they found substantial
evidence that the nestin gene was active.

What was different, Berman speculated, is that androgen deprivation
therapy, a treatment that reduces testosterone in the body, is generally
given only when prostate cancers become aggressive and likely to
metastasize.

Because prostate cancer growth is typically stimulated by testosterone,
the treatment is thought to slow tumor growth and weaken the disease.
Patients who eventually die because their disease metastasizes are
almost certain to have received this type of therapy, he says.

Speculating that depriving cells of androgens might also, however,
affect nestin expression, the researchers experimented on a prostate
cancer cell line that depends on androgens to grow. When they removed
androgens from the chemical mixture that the cells live in, their
production of nestin increased.

Aware that the nestin gene has long been suggested to play some role in
cell growth and development, Berman and his colleagues used a bit of
laboratory sabotage called RNA interference to decrease the genetic
expression of nestin and found that these cells weren't able to move
around and through other cells nearly as well as cells with normal
nestin levels.

Prostate cancer cells with hampered nestin expression were also less
likely than normal prostate cancer cells to migrate to other parts of
the body when transplanted into mice. However, while nestin expression
seemed pivotal for metastasis in these experiments, it didn't seem to
make a difference in tumor growth.

"What all this suggests is that nestin levels increased when prostate
cancer cells are deprived of androgens and may encourage the cells to
metastasize," says Berman.

Besides Berman, other Johns Hopkins researchers involved in this study
were Wolfram Kleeberger, MD, G. Steven Bova, MD, Matthew E. Nielsen, MD,
Mehsati Herawi, MD, PhD, Ai-Ying Chuang, MD, and Jonathan I. Epstein,
MD.

The research, published in the Oct. 1 issue of Cancer Research, was
funded by grants from the National Institutes of Health, National Cancer
Institute, Evensen Family Foundation, and German Cancer Aid Foundation.

SOURCE: Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Steve Jordan - 03 Oct 2007 19:17 GMT
On October 3, Curtis posted:

> BALTIMORE, MD -- October 1, 2007 -- A popular prostate cancer treatment
> called androgen deprivation therapy may encourage prostate cancer cells
> to produce a protein that makes them more likely to spread throughout
> the body, a new study by Johns Hopkins researchers suggests.

(snip)

The headline on the article, which is from JH's publicity people, is,
"Standard treatment for prostate cancer may encourage spread of
disease," as Curtis quotes on the Subject line. Scary isn't it?

Here is something from the article that we all should read and reread:
"....the Johns Hopkins researchers
caution that their discovery is far too preliminary for prostate cancer
patients or physicians to stop using it (ADT)."

Credit the article's publishers for at least including those cautionary
words, notwithstanding the frightening headline.

Rather than rely upon the Johns Hopkins publicity folks, we might want
to read at least the abstract of the article, entitled "Roles for the
Stem Cell–Associated Intermediate Filament Nestin in Prostate Cancer
Migration and Metastasis."

It's at

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/67/19/9199

or

http://tinyurl.com/2yt4uv

One very interesting statement in the abstract that is absent from the
publicity release is, "...the function of Nestin is poorly understood."

Others might have varying opinions, but mine is that I never, ever,
accept uncritically a medical article from the news media or from
someone's PR people.

Regards,

Steve J
c palmer - 03 Oct 2007 20:22 GMT
From: mycroftscj1@cox.net (Steve Jordan)
On October 3, Curtis posted:

BALTIMORE, MD -- October 1, 2007 -- A popular prostate cancer treatment
called androgen deprivation therapy may encourage prostate cancer cells
to produce a protein that makes them more likely to spread throughout
the body, a new study by Johns Hopkins researchers suggests.
(snip)
The headline on the article, which is from JH's publicity people, is,
"Standard treatment for prostate cancer may encourage spread of
disease," as Curtis quotes on the Subject line. Scary isn't it?
Here is something from the article that we all should read and reread:
"....the Johns Hopkins researchers
caution that their discovery is far too preliminary for prostate cancer
patients or physicians to stop using it (ADT)."
Credit the article's publishers for at least including those cautionary
words, notwithstanding the frightening headline.
Rather than rely upon the Johns Hopkins publicity folks, we might want
to read at least the abstract of the article, entitled "Roles for the
Stem Cell–Associated Intermediate Filament Nestin in Prostate Cancer
Migration and Metastasis."
It's at
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/67/19/9199
or
http://tinyurl.com/2yt4uv
One very interesting statement in the abstract that is absent from the
publicity release is, "...the function of Nestin is poorly understood."
Others might have varying opinions, but mine is that I never, ever,
accept uncritically a medical article from the news media or from
someone's PR people.
Regards,
Steve J  

=====> i agree with you steve.  the header that i posted here was the
header from the article.   maybe they are trying to do the newspaper
thing and sell more papers or use it as a shocker headline.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Alan Meyer - 05 Oct 2007 02:06 GMT
> ...
> Rather than rely upon the Johns Hopkins publicity folks, we might want
> to read at least the abstract of the article ...

I find it disturbing that public relations people write press
releases about medical research.

Someone once posted some information here that indicated that
surgery is the only useful treatment for prostate cancer and
that radiation actually makes it more likely that you'll die.
(I may be exaggerating, but that's my recollection of what
was said.)  It came from the Mayo Clinic, another very
prestigious institution, like Hopkins.

I found the article and it didn't say that at all.  The press
release badly distorted the claims in the article.  It was
really sensationalist.

I can understand why nerdy doctors may not be the best people
to write press releases, but the medical staff ought to review
their institution's press releases with something like the same
scrutiny that they give to their scientific publications.

It seems inexcusable to me that organizations like Hopkins and
the Mayo Clinic should use careful, precise, justifiable
language when writing for their scientific colleagues, but
allow sensationalist claptrap to be published to the public.

   Alan
VB - 05 Oct 2007 14:49 GMT
>> ...
>> Rather than rely upon the Johns Hopkins publicity folks, we might want
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
>    Alan

I understand your reluctance to accept the gospel from the
non-professionals, but sometimes they are correct.

The phenomenon of metastatic PCa becoming able to grow without testosterone
is known and happens, eventually, in all men that are undergoing ADT
therapy.  This research is simply trying to elucidate the mechanism behind
this process.

If there is substance to this work, then it simply means that we need
another approach to containing metastatic PCa.

Vernon
Steve Jordan - 05 Oct 2007 19:53 GMT
My October 3 reply to Curtis has mysteriously disappeared from the thread.

Here's a copy:

On October 3, Curtis posted:

> BALTIMORE, MD -- October 1, 2007 -- A popular prostate cancer treatment
> called androgen deprivation therapy may encourage prostate cancer cells
> to produce a protein that makes them more likely to spread throughout
> the body, a new study by Johns Hopkins researchers suggests.

(snip)

The headline on the article, which is from JH's publicity people, is,
"Standard treatment for prostate cancer may encourage spread of
disease," as Curtis quotes on the Subject line. Scary isn't it?

Here is something from the article that we all should read and reread:
"....the Johns Hopkins researchers
caution that their discovery is far too preliminary for prostate cancer
patients or physicians to stop using it (ADT)."

Credit the article's publishers for at least including those cautionary
words, notwithstanding the frightening headline.

Rather than rely upon the Johns Hopkins publicity folks, we might want
to read at least the abstract of the article, entitled "Roles for the
Stem Cell–Associated Intermediate Filament Nestin in Prostate Cancer
Migration and Metastasis."

It's at

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/67/19/9199

or

http://tinyurl.com/2yt4uv

One very interesting statement in the abstract that is absent from the
publicity release is, "...the function of Nestin is poorly understood."

Others might have varying opinions, but mine is that I never, ever,
accept uncritically a medical article from the news media or from
someone's PR people.

Regards,

Steve J
california_chief - 05 Oct 2007 23:45 GMT
> My October 3 reply to Curtis has mysteriously disappeared from the thread.

I still have it in my reader.    <VBG>
Steve Jordan - 06 Oct 2007 19:54 GMT
>> My October 3 reply to Curtis has mysteriously disappeared from the thread.
>
> I still have it in my reader.    <VBG>

It's back, now. I'll never understand.....

Regards,

Steve J

"Computers are like Old Testament gods; lots of rules and no mercy."
--Joseph Campbell
limey - 06 Oct 2007 16:59 GMT
> BALTIMORE, MD -- October 1, 2007 -- A popular prostate cancer
> treatment called androgen deprivation therapy may encourage prostate
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> researchers caution that their discovery is far too preliminary for
> prostate cancer patients or physicians to stop using it.

                  <snip>

As you may know from my previous posts, my husband has metastized
prostate cancer (Gleason 10).  Like everyone else, he and I were
interested in the article which Curtis alerted us to.

Our son is a Hopkins Ph.D. trained in cancer research.  I forwarded him
the full article and you might be interested in his comments, especially
about our primary MD.

"This study is looking into the biochemical basis for metastasis of
prostate cancer. The molecule (Nestin) they studied is seen as a marker
for cancer cell spread. The findings in the paper are derived from the
study of cells in vitro (laboratory); it is not a clinical study per se
and so any interpretations drawn are not yet relevant for treatment
protocols. Dad's cancer had already metastasized to bone by the time he
was diagnosed, so hormone therapy (anti androgen therapy) was still the
best front-line approach. For cells that are already spread but are not
androgen dependent, nestin is also a marker for how aggressive those
cells will become as they grow. (Hormone therapy is not effective
against those androgen-independent cells, and those are the cells that
grow out at the end stage of the disease, which I know Dad's doctor has
explained to him.) This paper is basic research that observes that
nestin may be stimulated in some cells that are treated with
anti-androgen therapy. Because that was an interesting observation,
more is being made of this through PR than should be the case. That is
unfortunate, because many patients get misled by situations like this,
into thinking their therapies are inappropriate.

"Unfortunately, the fact that Dad was placed on testosterone (androgen)
by Dr. Sprouse, and then not monitored, despite the fact that he was
showing prostate hypertrophy (urination problems were an indication of
that) was probably the root cause of the rapid progression of his
cancer. From the time it was detected, his disease can only  be slowed,
and pain managed.

"Of course, this is my interpretation. Dad's doctor (or an oncologist,
if he will see one) are better qualified to advise."

Dora
 
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