Hi all,
I'm 52 years old and my recent blood test showed a PSA of 4.4
That's too high for my age (though not extremely so).
So my urologist ordered up a prostate biopsy. I just had the
ultrasound and it showed I do have an enlarged prostate--volume = 67
cm^3 (that's 67 cubic centimeters).
I'm not going to get the results of the tissue cell samples till
October 9, so naturally I am worried about this in the meantime.
What is known medically/scientifically about PSA being elevated solely
due to an enlarged prostate w/o cancer? Could my PSA of 4.4 possibly
be accounted for by my enlarged prostate of 67 cm^3? Or does that
really start to look suspicious for cancer?
Any hints or speculation as to where I might be heading would be most
appreciated. Thanx in advance!
-- Steven L.
Steve Kramer - 25 Sep 2007 22:46 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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> Any hints or speculation as to where I might be heading would be most
> appreciated. Thanx in advance!
Hi, Steven,
Larger prostates create more PSA than do smaller ones. Another Steve --
Jordan -- or one of the Rons will probably jump on within the next 24 hours
with the formula. But, suffice to say, you could very well have a benign
prostate problem.

Signature
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04 (06/12/2007)
Non Illegitimi Carborundum
Steve Jordan - 25 Sep 2007 23:17 GMT
On September 25, Steven L. wrote:
> I'm 52 years old and my recent blood test showed a PSA of 4.4
> That's too high for my age (though not extremely so).
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> be accounted for by my enlarged prostate of 67 cm^3? Or does that
> really start to look suspicious for cancer?
"Benign" PSA is calculated as follows: gland volume x 0.066 = benign
PSA. So Steve's figure would be 67 x 0.066 =
4.422 ng/mL. It would appear, therefore, that the recorded PSA of 4.4
ng/mL is quite normal.
See
http://www.prostate-cancer.org/education/riskases/Strum_StrategyOfSuccess2.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/39x68e
On that same authoritative website is a section entitled, "Undiagnosed"
which should prove informative.
NB: An elevated PSA is *not* diagnostic of prostate cancer (PCa). Only a
skillfully interpreted biopsy can do that.
There are several causes of elevated PSA, and the *least* likely is PCa.
One of the common causes is BPH (benign prostatic hyperplasia); it "just
grew." Others are prostatitis, infection and, occurring less than 48
hours before a PSA blood draw, DRE (digital rectal examination),
ejaculation, and anything that stresses the gland including even bicycle
riding.
There are tests for other markers such as free PSA, UPM3, and so on.
I suspect that the biopsy is unnecessary, but I suppose that it can't hurt.
Regarding "hurt" I recommend that anesthesia be required. Some men claim
little or no pain during a biopsy, others say that it was agonizing. I
say why gamble? What's to be gained by playing macho? Besides, if the
patient is relatively relaxed, the procedure is easier for him *and* for
the medic.
Lastly, if the local pathologist reports PCa, I cannot recommend too
strongly that the specimens and paraffin tissue block be sent to a
specialist lab for verification. It's a "second opinion" and should be
covered by insurance. Some labs resist, but in enlightened
jurisdictions, those specimens are the property of the patient, not the
lab and not the medic. Firm insistence will have good results.
Here is a list of expert labs:
Bostwick Laboratories [800] 214-6628
Dianon Laboratories [800] 328-2666 (select 5 for client services)
Jon Epstein (Hopkins) [410] 955-5043 or [410] 955-2162
David Grignon (Michigan) [313] 745-2520
Jon Oppenheimer (Tennessee) [888] 868-7522
UroCor, Inc. [800] 411-1839
Why the second opinion? Because everything that is done is ultimately
dependent upon the accuracy of the biopsy and it is simply prudent to be
certain that the results are dependable.
Lastly, this place is becoming infested with Steves. Steve L, Steve J,
Steve K and Steve T. If this goes on, we'll be able to take over......
Heh heh.
Regards,
Steve J
california_chief - 26 Sep 2007 07:43 GMT
Steven L. wrote:
> I'm 52 years old and my recent blood test showed a PSA of 4.4
> That's too high for my age (though not extremely so).
Just a shade over the "worry mark" of 4.0 that many/most doctors use for a
referrence.
> So my urologist ordered up a prostate biopsy.
Be sure you have an anesthesia for that biopsy - IF you go that route.
You should first seek a second opinion/test/exam by another doctor totally
unrelated to the first one, i.e. different medical group.
> What is known medically/scientifically about PSA being elevated solely
> due to an enlarged prostate w/o cancer? Could my PSA of 4.4 possibly
> be accounted for by my enlarged prostate of 67 cm^3?
That's entirely possibly.
Also bike riding, a DRE, sex, and perhaps a couple other activities within
48 hours of the blood draw for the PSA test.
> Or does that really start to look suspicious for cancer?
No one in the group can say. Even your doctor doesn't know. That's why he
wants a biopsy (but first get a second PSA test).
There are too many "IF's" this early. Take a deep breath, exhale slowly,
think positive. Don't panic - now or ever.
Remember a saying that's repeated year after year: more men die WITH
prostate than FROM it. Only after autopsies following a heart attack,
traffic accident, shooting, or other sudden or violent death is PCa
discovered. It had no effect on any of those men. They lived years and
years without knowing they had PCa and led happy, productive lives (in most
cases).