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Tom Cular - 12 Aug 2007 19:25 GMT
Here's the AP article on Merv Griffin.

LOS ANGELES - Merv Griffin, the big band-era crooner turned impresario who
parlayed his "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune" game shows into a
multimillion-dollar empire, died Sunday. He was 82.
Griffin died of prostate cancer, according to a statement from his family
that was released by Marcia Newberger, spokeswoman for The Griffin
Group/Merv Griffin Entertainment.

From his beginning as a $100-a-week San Francisco radio singer, Griffin
moved on as vocalist for Freddy Martin's band, sometime film actor in films
and TV game and talk show host, and made Forbes' list of richest Americans
several times.

His "The Merv Griffin Show" lasted more than 20 years, and Griffin's said
his capacity to listen contributed to his success.

"If the host is sitting there thinking about his next joke, he isn't
listening," Griffin reasoned in a recent interview.

But his biggest break financially came from inventing and producing
"Jeopardy" in the 1960s and "Wheel of Fortune" in the 1970s. After they had
become the hottest game shows on television, Griffin sold the rights to Coca
Cola's Columbia Pictures Television Unit for $250 million in 1986, retaining
a share of the profits.

"My father was a visionary," Griffin's son, Tony Griffin, said in a
statement issued Sunday. "He loved business and continued his many projects
and holdings even while hospitalized."

When Griffin entered a hospital a month ago, he was working on the first
week of production of a new syndicated game show, "Merv Griffin's
Crosswords," his son said.

In recent years, Griffin also rated frequent mentions in the sports pages as
a successful race horse owner. His colt Stevie Wonderboy, named for
entertainer Stevie Wonder, won the $1.5 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile in
2005.

Griffin started putting the proceeds from selling "Jeopardy" and "Wheel" in
treasury bonds, stocks and other investments, but went into real estate and
other ventures because "I was never so bored in my life."

"I said `I'm not going to sit around and clip coupons for the rest of my
life,'" he recalled in 1989. "That's when Barron Hilton said `Merv, do you
want to buy the Beverly Hilton?' I couldn't believe it."

Griffin bought the slightly passe hotel for $100.2 million and completely
refurbished it for $25 million. Then he made a move for control of Resorts
International, which operated hotels and casinos from Atlantic City to the
Caribbean.

That touched off a feud with real estate tycoon Donald Trump. Griffin
eventually acquired Resorts for $240 million, even though Trump had held 80
percent of the voting stock.

"I love the gamesmanship," he told Life magazine in 1988. "This may sound
strange, but it parallels the game shows I've been involved in."

In 1948, Freddy Martin hired Griffin to join his band at Los Angeles'
Coconut Grove at $150 a week. With Griffin doing the singing, the band had a
smash hit with "I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Cocoanuts," a 1949 novelty song
sung in a cockney accent.

Doris Day and her producer husband, Marty Melcher, saw the band in Las Vegas
and recommended Griffin to Warner Bros., which offered a contract. After a
bit in "By the Light of the Silvery Moon," starring Day and Gordon MacRae,
he had a bigger role with Kathryn Grayson in "So This Is Love." But after a
few more trivial roles, he asked out of his contract.

In 1954, Griffin went to New York where he appeared in a summer replacement
musical show on CBS-TV, a revival of "Finian's Rainbow," and a music show on
CBS radio. He followed with a few TV game show hosting jobs, notably "Play
Your Hunch," which premiered in 1958 and ran through the early 1960s. His
glibness led to stints as substitute for Jack Paar on "Tonight."

When Paar retired in 1962, Griffin was considered a prime candidate to
replace him. Johnny Carson was chosen instead. NBC gave Griffin a daytime
version of "Tonight," but he was canceled for being "too sophisticated" for
the housewife audience.

Westinghouse Broadcasting introduced "The Merv Griffin Show" in 1965 on
syndicated TV. Griffin never underestimated the intelligence of his
audience, offering such figures as philosopher Bertrand Russell, cellist
Pablo Casals and Pulitzer Prize-winning writer-philosopher-historians Will
and Ariel Durant as well as movie stars and entertainers.

He was also a longtime friend of former President Reagan and his wife,
Nancy. When the Reagans returned to California in 1988 after eight years in
the White House, Griffin and Hilton threw a $25,000-a-table homecoming gala
for the couple.

With Carson ruling the late-night roost on NBC in the late 1960s, the two
other networks challenged him with competing shows, Griffin on CBS and Joey
Bishop (later Dick Cavett) on ABC. Nothing stopped Carson, and Griffin
returned to Westinghouse.

A lifelong crossword puzzle fan, Griffin devised a game show, "Word for
Word," in 1963. It faded after one season, then his wife, Julann, suggested
another show.

"Julann's idea was a twist on the usual question-answer format of the quiz
shows of the Fifties," he wrote in his autobiography "Merv." "Her idea was
to give the contestants the answer, and they had to come up with the
appropriate question."

"Jeopardy" started in 1964 and the more conventional game show "Wheel of
Fortune" was begun in 1975.

Mervyn Edward Griffin Jr. was born in San Mateo, south of San Francisco on
July 6, 1925, the son of a stockbroker. An aunt, Claudia Robinson, taught
him to play piano at age 4, and he soon was staging shows on the back porch.

"Every Saturday I had a show, recruiting all the kids in the block as either
stagehands, actors and audience, or sometimes all three," he wrote in his
1980 autobiography. "I was the producer, always the producer."

After studying at San Mateo Junior College and the University of San
Francisco, Griffin quit school to apply for a job as pianist at KFRC radio
in San Francisco. The station needed a vocalist instead. He auditioned and
was hired.

Griffin attracted the interest of RKO studio boss William Dozier, who was
visiting San Francisco with his wife, Joan Fontaine.

"As soon as I walked in their hotel room, I could see their faces fall," the
singer recalled. He weighed 235 pounds. Shortly afterward, singer Joan
Edwards told him: "Your voice is terrific, but the blubber has got to go."
Griffin slimmed down, and he spent the rest of his life adding and taking
off weight.

Griffin and Julann Elizabeth Wright were married in 1958, and their son,
Anthony, was born the following year. They divorced in 1973 because of
"irreconcilable differences."

"It was a pivotal time in my career, one of uncertainty and constant doubt,"
he wrote in the autobiography. "So much attention was being focused on me
that my marriage felt the strain." He never remarried.

Besides his son, Griffin is survived by his daughter-in-law, Tricia, and two
grandchildren.

The family said an invitation-only funeral Mass will be held at a later date
at The Church of the Good Shepherd in Beverly Hills.

___

Associated Press writers Beth Harris and Jeff Wilson contributed to this
story.
3Putt from CoastalSouth Carolina - 13 Aug 2007 02:02 GMT
> Here's the AP article on Merv Griffin.
//snip//

I'd be more interested in what the medical reasons were leading up to his
death, rather than just reporting a recurrence of prostate cancer.
Rod - 13 Aug 2007 04:17 GMT
>> Here's the AP article on Merv Griffin.
> //snip//
>
> I'd be more interested in what the medical reasons were leading up to his
> death, rather than just reporting a recurrence of prostate cancer.

So would I. I saw part of an interview they did
with him in May and he looked and sounded great.
What happened in two months?
Heather - 13 Aug 2007 06:24 GMT
>>> Here's the AP article on Merv Griffin.
>> //snip//
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> So would I. I saw part of an interview they did with him in May and he
> looked and sounded great. What happened in two months?

If that was tonight's Larry King rerun, it was May of 2006......15
months ago.  He did look good......and especially for 82.

Heather
Rod - 14 Aug 2007 01:33 GMT
>>>> Here's the AP article on Merv Griffin.
>>> //snip//
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Heather

Oh, I only heard May and assumed this past May but
he still looked good for as little as 15 months ago.
Steve Kramer - 13 Aug 2007 09:35 GMT
>> Here's the AP article on Merv Griffin.
> //snip//
>
> I'd be more interested in what the medical reasons were leading up to his
> death, rather than just reporting a recurrence of prostate cancer.
The problem with that is, of course, politicians, sports figures, actors,
and moguls rarely give out their personal information...   hmmmmm  ...  It
just dawned on me.  Neither do we.  Everyone here knows just about
everything about me and my history, but I don't share it with the media, or
my co-workers, or even my family.  I dare say, y'all know more about my PCa
history than my wife.

Ergo, we will likely never be satisfied with anyone's PCa accounting other
than that which we find here.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  <.1  <.1  <.1  .27  .37  .75            PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32                       PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145       PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04 (06/12/2007)
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

kh - 13 Aug 2007 12:22 GMT
> >> Here's the AP article on Merv Griffin.
> > //snip//
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> The problem with that is, of course, politicians, sports figures, actors,
> and moguls rarely give out their personal information...   hmmmmm  ...

I don't want the *really* personal info but TC and others have a good
point.

Some of the news articles "suggest" that this was a surprise
relapse.   With quick PSA blood tests, there should have been no
surprise.   There should have been rising PSA for several years
leading up to this.

The man was a billionaire with cancer.  I would expect a PSA test
every few months, reviewed by a top doc, and any rise would be slammed
by Lupron and Casodex.

What happened?  Was it hormone-resistant AND aggressive?  Did he avoid
PSA tests?  Did he know but declined treatment?  Was he on Lupron at
the end?

-kh rubbing my butt where I had the last shot.  I'd rather rub Mr.
Happy.
c palmer - 13 Aug 2007 13:27 GMT
  "Tom Cular" <tho...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:6gIvi.9586$SV4.4631@trnddc08...
Here's the AP article on Merv Griffin.
//snip//
I'd be more interested in what the medical reasons were leading up to
his death, rather than just reporting a recurrence of prostate cancer.

The problem with that is, of course, politicians, sports figures,
actors, and moguls rarely give out their personal information...  
hmmmmm ...

I don't want the *really* personal info but TC and others have a good
point.

Some of the news articles "suggest" that this was a surprise relapse.
  With quick PSA blood tests, there should have been no surprise.  
There should have been rising PSA for several years leading up to this.

The man was a billionaire with cancer. I would expect a PSA test every
few months, reviewed by a top doc, and any rise would be slammed by
Lupron and Casodex.

What happened? Was it hormone-resistant AND aggressive? Did he avoid PSA
tests? Did he know but declined treatment? Was he on Lupron at the end?
-kh

====> kh has some very good points but to take this conversation
further,  one has to consider what his psa and staging was at the time
that they found his pca.  that fact is not known.  if it was caught
early, then,  then he would have lived longer than 12 years after the
fact.

another point - it is not known how aggressive his gleason score was.
another factor in how long he would live.

i'm sure that he got the best of medical care that he could, and even
so, pca still took his life.

the same was true with tiger woods father.  no amount of money can stop
the pca from claiming another victim.

~> curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Alan Meyer - 13 Aug 2007 18:49 GMT
> ...  no amount of money can stop the pca from claiming another victim.

Indeed.

We are, after all, mortal.  Something will kill each of us no
matter how much treatment we get.  As we get older, our ability
to fight disease and degeneration declines and the best drugs in
the world can't save us.

Until the medical researchers figure out how to stop aging (not
in our lifetimes I think), I don't think they'll be able to stop
death.  I heard one gerontologist compare the aging body to a
fabric curtain.  When it tears you can patch it.  But as it ages
the very threads themselves deteriorate.  There comes a point
where you can't sew anything onto it, it just falls apart in your
hands.

As for information about Merv Griffin, the doctors and the
hospital can't legally give out information and the Griffin
family probably has no interest in doing so.  Most celebrities
and their families have too much intrusion into their private
lives already.  They don't want to encourage more by giving out
personal details.  And right now, of course, they've got a lot of
other things on their minds besides what a bunch of total
strangers thinks about the situation.

We tell things to each other because we're all in the same boat
and see the value of sharing information.  But we're a little
unusual.  There must be a hundred thousand men with access to the
Internet and the English language who are diagnosed each year.
How many of them participate in this or any other support group?
I bet 95% of them suffer in silence, telling no one but their
immediate families.  Some don't even tell them.

    Alan
california_chief - 13 Aug 2007 21:02 GMT
> There must be a hundred thousand men with access to the
> Internet and the English language who are diagnosed each year.
> How many of them participate in this or any other support group?
> I bet 95% of them suffer in silence,

Which is exactly what their doctors want - total ignorance.

The docs don't want their patients to become empowered with
knowledge via a local or on-line support group.
Alan Meyer - 14 Aug 2007 12:10 GMT
>> There must be a hundred thousand men with access to the
>> Internet and the English language who are diagnosed each year.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The docs don't want their patients to become empowered with
> knowledge via a local or on-line support group.

Surely not all of them.  I've had the good fortune to meet
some dedicated doctors who really do care about their
patients.

   Alan
kh - 14 Aug 2007 13:36 GMT
> Surely not all of them.  I've had the good fortune to meet
> some dedicated doctors who really do care about their
> patients.

Yes they do care and they take their work seriously.

-C
Harold - 14 Aug 2007 13:54 GMT
>>> There must be a hundred thousand men with access to the
>>> Internet and the English language who are diagnosed each year.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>    Alan

True in my case.  My doctor was really good at taking the time to
discuss my options, he mentioned the prostate-cancer.org and .gov
sites, and the PCRI(?), and the cornell-urology.edu sites, plus he
said there were a couple of internet newsgroups dealing with the
disease.  I have been impressed with his straight dealing and effort
to put the info. in front of me in options to deal with this..  From
what I hear, the 5 docs in his group has the same approach to helping
their patients.
Harold  

April 07: PSA 7.6
April 07: Urologist first visit
June 07: PSA retest 6.7
July 07: Biopsy 16 cores/3 cancer GS 3/3:6
July 07: Consult, schedule surgery
Sept. 07: Conventional RP scheduled
Idaho Guy - 14 Aug 2007 17:16 GMT
Merv had radiation therapy. This was revealed in an interview he had
with with Larry King on March 15, 2003. You can see it in the
transcripts located at on the CNN web site under the Larry King
section.

>From the transcript, it sounded like his doc offered to do surgery but
Merv said that he didn't want anyone to slice him open.

He picked the treatment that was right for him.  He fought a good
fight and was a real trooper.

All the best,

Idaho
Tom Cular - 14 Aug 2007 01:19 GMT
>> ...  no amount of money can stop the pca from claiming another victim.
>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
>Alan'

I must agree with your view on family privacy. Several years ago I had a
colleague who claimed to live near a farm in north Jersey owned by Mr.
Griffin (at the time broadcasting from NY) with the name on the  mailbox (R.
Catkiller), I can't confirm or deny the mailbox story, but he did own a farm
near Clinton, NJ. If the story is true, I can understand his desire for some
privacy.

Tom
Steve Kramer - 13 Aug 2007 19:10 GMT
> What happened?  Was it hormone-resistant AND aggressive?  Did he avoid
> PSA tests?  Did he know but declined treatment?  Was he on Lupron at
> the end?

I suspect he had the best doctors money could buy and he never consulted
with us.
WhiteSoxFan - 14 Aug 2007 12:53 GMT
> I suspect he had the best doctors money could buy and he never consulted
> with us.

Maybe he did consult with us under a pseudonym. Maybe he knows how
brutal the press can be, how disengenious they can be and will distort
a story to the point where it actually hurts the cause rather than
help by exposure. Maybe we should toast him to a life of material
success, relatively long life, perhaps a kind and moral fiber that we
don't know about. Maybe he has donated millions or tens of millions to
research that he feels the public doesn't need to know about. Maybe a
little patience on our part will reveal all the questions we have
about him. But, alas, there lies the crux of the problem, lots of
times we don't have a lot of time for patience. Particularly we.

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