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Urologist accused of faking patients' need for treatment

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peter*pan - 06 Aug 2007 04:29 GMT
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6549186
Alan Meyer - 06 Aug 2007 17:21 GMT
> http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6549186

What a criminal that guy is.  I hope they put him away for
a long time and find every penny that he's got and give it
to his patients.
Steve Jordan - 07 Aug 2007 18:21 GMT
> What a criminal that guy is.  I hope they put him away for
> a long time and find every penny that he's got and give it
> to his patients.

Indeed. Whipping is too good for him.

And let us not forget the times that medics will perform txs that are
local in effect when there is every reason to believe that the PCa is
systemic.

And further, let us not overlook Dr. Abhinand Peddada, the radiation
oncologist who first discovered and reported what was happening.

And let's also wonder about the medics who should have discovered it.

As I frequently wave my arms and rant, we should study, learn and *take
charge*. I believe that this would not have happened to an empowered
patient.

Regards,

Steve J
chasjac too - 07 Aug 2007 13:49 GMT
> ... I believe that this would not have happened to an empowered
> patient.

I agree with you -- but, sadly, a lot of older patients are especially
vulnerable to this sort of thing, and it can be much more difficult for
them to acquire the level of knowledge and empowerment that most of us here
have.  Folks in our parents' generation are less likely to critically
evaluate what doctors tell them.  And if they don't have an advocate who
can help them, then they're one bad doc away from a rough ride.  

My mother's doc -- whom she has since fired -- had her on Fosamax, knowing
full well that she had an hiatal hernia.  He never bothered to do the
research to learn that one does not do that, and she didn't know how to go
about questioning the prescription.  

Happily, there are plenty of exceptions.  By the way:  to all the docs
lurking on this NG:  don't even think about bullying my mother-in-law into
treatment she doesn't need -- she will hurt you, and then you'll have to
deal with her daughter and son-in-law.  :-)

--charlie

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6/2006 PSA 5.2
          DRE suspicious
7/2006 Biopsy
          2 of 10 positive
          Gleason 7(3+4)
11/2006 LRP
           Clear margins
1/2007 PSA < 0.01
3/2007 PSA < 0.01
6/2007 PSA < 0.01
so far, so good

peter*pan - 08 Aug 2007 05:17 GMT
Dr. Peddada is my radonc, and works closely with my urologist/surgeon.  I
met with both of them several times when my PSA went from 0 to .05 after 3
years.  They both recommended I undergo IMRT - which I did, and again have
a PSA that is undetectable.

Peddada is Director of the San Jose Good Sam Radiation Oncology Dept. and
also head of the hospital’s Cancer Care Committee.  I am sure he is very
busy.  But he spent hours with spouse and myself discussing options,
answering questions.  By the time I made my decision, I was very
comfortable with it and with the hands I was in.
california_chief - 08 Aug 2007 22:48 GMT
> Dr. Peddada is my radonc, and works closely with my urologist/surgeon.  I
> met with both of them several times when my PSA went from 0 to .05 after 3
> years.

Is there a decimal point misplaced in ".05"?   Most fellows in the group
would be extremely pleased to have a PSA that low.   What prompted you to
follow a treatment course with a .05?
peter*pan - 09 Aug 2007 07:21 GMT
After 3 years of undetectable - last reading < 0.01, I considered a 0.05 to
be worse than doubling in 6 mths - if it was .01 and then .05 6 months
later, that would be a 5x increase.  Based on research and discussions
with Drs, I felt that advantages of hitting it with IMRT early outweighed
any risks.  Last reading was < 0.01.
Dave - 07 Aug 2007 04:58 GMT
I think this happens to varying degrees and might not be such an isolated
case.
But I am not sure why I think this way...is it $$ greed, doctor's egos,
having another dependent patient for the rest of his life, playing God with
their patients, using elderly patients to gain more experience...what would
possess a doctor to do this to a frail 87 yr. old man anyway whether he had
PC or not - think about it !

> http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6549186
cpw - 09 Aug 2007 23:24 GMT
As a hospital administrator friend of mine once observed:
"If you're an a.shole going into medical school, you're generally an
a.shole when you get out."
CPW
Alan Meyer - 10 Aug 2007 17:36 GMT
> As a hospital administrator friend of mine once observed:
> "If you're an a.shole going into medical school, you're generally an
> a.shole when you get out."
> CPW

When I was in high school and college I knew a number
of fellows who planned to become doctors.  I think that
more than half of them had no calling to medicine whatever,
they just wanted the respect, and especially the money,
that doctors get.

It's sad but, unfortunately, there are many people who have
no calling to do anything whatever.  Any job they get is
"just a job", a way to make money rather than to do something
they like and/or believe in.

However at least most of those folks aren't criminals.  They
don't burn people with x-rays or cut them with scalpels just
in order to steal money from their insurance companies.
Even self-respecting armed robbers won't actually hurt you
if you just give them the money they demand.

   Alan
Steve Kramer - 10 Aug 2007 19:45 GMT
> As a hospital administrator friend of mine once observed:
> "If you're an a.shole going into medical school, you're generally an
> a.shole when you get out."

I cannot recall an exception to this rule, regardless of occupation or
vocation.

It seem true also for the use of alcohol, though I have seen nice guys turn
into a.sholes.

I wonder if there has been a study on age.  I found that I have reduced my
incidents of being an a.shole some 28.3% since turning 50.
BH - 10 Aug 2007 21:59 GMT
I'll start collecting data.  I doubt that I can match your
performance, though.  I'll think about asking my wife's opinion.

I have improved a lot since I retired, though.

Thanks for the chuckle.  :-)

Burney

BTW - After chatting with my uro yesterday, I'm off Casodex for a
month.  At the end of the month, another PSA to see what the effect of
being off for a month will be.  We both see it as an experiment. Based
on the results of that PSA, and how I feel, we'll decide on how to go
from there.  I plan to keep a daily journal of how I feel to see how
long it takes for the SEs to diminish.  I don't know if that is going
to be helpful, but, we'll see.  I'll keep you posted.

Burney

>> As a hospital administrator friend of mine once observed:
>> "If you're an a.shole going into medical school, you're generally an
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>I wonder if there has been a study on age.  I found that I have reduced my
>incidents of being an a.shole some 28.3% since turning 50.

Burney dot Huff at Mindspring dot com
Steve Kramer - 11 Aug 2007 01:03 GMT
> BTW - After chatting with my uro yesterday, I'm off Casodex for a
> month.  At the end of the month, another PSA to see what the effect of
> being off for a month will be.

Good luck with that.  I wish I could get off for awhile, but I don't dare.

SRK
Bob Anthony - 09 Aug 2007 00:00 GMT
Steve Jordan wrote:
> As I frequently wave my arms and rant, we should study, learn and
> *take charge*. I believe that this would not have happened to an
> empowered patient.

Dave wrote:
> I think this happens to varying degrees and might not be such an
> isolated case. But I am not sure why I think this way...is it $$
> greed, doctor's egos, having another dependent patient for the rest
> of his life, playing God with their patients, using elderly patients
> to gain more experience...what would possess a doctor to do this to a
> frail 87 yr. old man anyway whether he had PC or not - think about it!

I've been a lurker as of late, I'll admit.
So far so good with me personally, and I'll try to help here where and
when I can. But, I could not let this one go.
What is the difference between God and a Doctor?
Well, God does not think he's a Doctor, but the Doctor thinks that he is
God.
Steve Jordan is right.
If not the older patient be empowered by knowledge, then possibly a
friend, sibling, relative, son or daughter?

B.A.
 
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