> I know nothing of Stoger or of his politics or problems. But, I would sure
> like to see just one politician say, "because it was none of your business
> and rude of you to ask."
I can think of two very, very important United States politicians who
said something along those lines. Matter of fact they continue to say
something along those lines every day, attempting to blot out the
Constitution along the way to serve their own self serving, hugely
profit making, policies that have bankrupted our county, destroying
the environment and our good name around the globe. I my humble
opinion.
WhiteSoxFan
>> Stroger diagnosed with cancer earlier than previously disclosed
>>
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> like to see just one politician say, "because it was none of your business
> and rude of you to ask."
I seems to me that it depends on the office the candidate is running
for and the nature of the problem. If a candidate for president may be
unable to perform the duties of his office, the people should know about
it.
This argument may not be so relevant for Stroger who was running for
President of the Cook County Board. Also, his prostate cancer was
hardly likely to prevent him from filling his term. However, in this
case, there were some special circumstances. Stroger's father held the
position before him. He suffered a stroke before the Democratic
primary, and information about his status was kept from the public. It
was clear early on he would not be able to serve and in fact he withdrew
after the primary and before the election. Many people in Cook County
think he would have lost in the primary to a reform candidate had his
condition been known. The County Democratic Committee chose his son to
replace him in the general election, but there is a good chance Stroger
Jr would also have lost to the other candidate in the primary had he
been running in the first place. In the general election, he was
opposed by a conservative Republican who would have ordinarily stood
little chance of being elected. The Republican did unexpectedly well
because many Democrats were unhappy with Stroger Jr and the manner in
which he was selected to run, but Stroger still managed to win. Since
then he has done some highly controversial things which were quite
unexpected, and many people who voted for him are sorry they did. The
whole history has left a bad taste, and this latest bit just seems to be
more of the same.
Say What? - 08 Jul 2007 15:15 GMT
>>> Stroger diagnosed with cancer earlier than previously disclosed
>>>
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> unable to perform the duties of his office, the people should know about
> it.
Ordinarily I would agree with Steve Kramer on this (wouldn't we all,
who've "been there, done that and have the scar<g>") but in this case,
as Leonard points out there's more to the story than the recent
revelations. There's a trail of deceit and subterfuge in the former
Stroger's tenure and we're now seeing it, in spades, in Jr's tenure.
Steve Kramer - 08 Jul 2007 16:51 GMT
>>>> Stroger diagnosed with cancer earlier than previously disclosed
>>>>
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> There's a trail of deceit and subterfuge in the former Stroger's tenure
> and we're now seeing it, in spades, in Jr's tenure.
Even Steve Kramer is back-paddling like a New York senator in light of
Leonard's wisdom.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04 (06/12/2007)
Non Illegitimi Carborundum
WhiteSoxFan - 09 Jul 2007 16:40 GMT
I've lived in or near Chicago all my life. Machine politics are alive
and well in Chicago. I agree with Leonard that this smacked of
political deception even prior to Todd Stroger announcing his
candidacy. His father engaged in similar medical deception or rather
his father's office since his father John was totally disabled with a
severe stroke which the severity was not disclosed for what seemed
months. Todd Stroger like any current candidate or office holder is
going to be a victim of contemporary political character
assassination. I am guessing in Todd Stroger's case he clocked a PSA
number and or velocity that led his doctor to advise him to biopsy.
The biopsy came back positive with minor numbers in Gleason and core
number and percentage. His PSA velocity also must have been rather
minor and he took the decision to wait, in this case close to a year
until treatment. That's a valid watch and wait approach to determine
treatment. It may not be a wise watch and wait approach. However, I
believe that a publicly elected official or someone running for public
office has the duty to inform the public of their medical condition if
it may impede their ability to serve the public. It's up the public to
determine the outcome of the debate on what "impede" means. If they
dont' they run the risk of public opinion leaning toward the fact
that it must be bad if they are hiding something. Unfortunately, in
this day and age of a complete breakdown of civility within our
political system whereby any and all particulars of a candidate are
manipulated to serve the opposition. Fred Thompson may say he likes to
drink coffee end of statement.Then his opponents seize on that
statement and label him a drug addict and a terrorist sympathizer to
boot because someone dug up the fact that once he bought a half pound
of Arabian Mocha Java. We have to painfully wade our way through the
current wave of gunboat politicking and hopefully get to the other
side with our integrity slightly intact.
WhiteSoxFan
Steve Kramer - 08 Jul 2007 16:49 GMT
>> I know nothing of Stoger or of his politics or problems. But, I would
>> sure like to see just one politician say, "because it was none of your
>> business and rude of you to ask."
> I seems to me that it depends on the office the candidate is running for
> and the nature of the problem. If a candidate for president may be unable
> to perform the duties of his office, the people should know about it.
I think I would agree for a very specific circumstances. I am not planning
on checking out until 2012. There is no reason for any constituent to know
of my condition, should a be nominated for President. To my knowledge, the
only guy who had little expectation of completing his term was Roosavelt and
I would agree with you 100% that with a president, and teh War Powers Act
and a world war going on, the People should have been told of the
progression of his polio. As it was, Truman's handling of the rest of the
war was almost a surprise.
> Stroger's father held the position before him. He suffered a stroke
> before the Democratic primary, and information about his status was kept
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> chance Stroger Jr would also have lost to the other candidate in the
> primary had he been running in the first place.
Yeah, I agree in that case, too, the subterfuge is unethical and amoral and
ought to be illegal.
I also think there should be a law that you have to be alive to be elected.

Signature
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04 (06/12/2007)
Non Illegitimi Carborundum