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TATTOO DESIGNS
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PinkyStyle - 27 Jun 2007 07:01 GMT Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any models of tattoos here.
http://tattoohouse.blogspot.com/
Sylv - 27 Jun 2007 16:58 GMT > Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos > gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any > models of tattoos here. CAUTION: I know this is SPAM. but MSers must remember that getting tattoos with inks containing iron oxides will make it impossible to get an MRI.
Sylvia
LooseCannon - 27 Jun 2007 20:05 GMT >>Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos >>gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sylvia And thats a complete crock! There is not even remotely enuf iron in tatoo ink to cause problems for someone. Its simple science, but for those wanting proof, on the Discovery Channel show, Mythbusters, they made an iron intense ink, with hundreds of times more iron in the ink then normal tatoos have in them, and tatooed a pig carcass, and put it in a MRI and nothing happened AT ALL.
Don't be spreading false info.
Jane - 27 Jun 2007 21:18 GMT > >>Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos > >>gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Don't be spreading false info. I have nine tattoos and have had a MRI in the last two years, without issue
c palmer - 27 Jun 2007 22:04 GMT From: freakmagnet66@yahoo.com (Jane) On Jun 27, 3:05 pm, LooseCannon <lambchop...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylv wrote: On Jun 27, 1:01 am, PinkyStyle <pinkstyl...@gmail.com> wrote: Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any models of tattoos here. CAUTION: I know this is SPAM. but MSers must remember that getting tattoos with inks containing iron oxides will make it impossible to get an MRI. Sylvia
And thats a complete crock! There is not even remotely enuf iron in tatoo ink to cause problems for someone. Its simple science, but for those wanting proof, on the Discovery Channel show, Mythbusters, they made an iron intense ink, with hundreds of times more iron in the ink then normal tatoos have in them, and tatooed a pig carcass, and put it in a MRI and nothing happened AT ALL. Don't be spreading false info. I have nine tattoos and have had a MRI in the last two years, without issue
====> my wife had open heart surgery and they had to wire her ribs back together. they told her that she would set off the security alarms at the airport and they they would have to hand wand her.
she always wondered if she could get an MRI again because of the wire. when she ask, they told her that she could and that she would not have any damage because of all the wire inside. they also explained that she couldn't have an MRI when first had the open heart done because everything had to heal, but now, it's ok.
that's a lot more iron/steel inside than any tattoo that i know of.
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Justin Case - 28 Jun 2007 16:20 GMT <Snipped>
: ====> my wife had open heart surgery and they had to wire her ribs back : together. they told her that she would set off the security alarms at : the airport and they they would have to hand wand her. Quite unrelated to the prostate discussion but related to internal surgery with metal:
My wife had pretty extensive back surgery with steel rods and screws to support her spinal column (a degenerative disease). We could have opted for titanium but the surgeon said titanium was considerably more expensive and harder to work with, and he had had no negative reports from patients unless they were allergic to stainless steel. Like you, we wondered about airport scanners and I joked that the sirens would sound as soon as my wife entered the area, but absolutely nothing happened. She passed through scanners in El Paso and Chicago with nary a beep. Maybe stainless is not that ferromagnetic.
Ken Bland
california_chief - 29 Jun 2007 22:31 GMT > My wife had pretty extensive back surgery with steel rods and screws > to support her spinal column (a degenerative disease). .... Like you, > we wondered about airport scanners and I joked that the sirens would > sound as soon as my wife entered the area, but absolutely nothing > happened. She passed through scanners in El Paso and Chicago with > nary a beep. Maybe stainless is not that ferromagnetic. It depends upon the sensitivity setting of the scanner.
I had a total hip replacement in July 2000 (opposite hip due in July), and I set off scanners at some places (a few prisons I visit) but not at courthouses or airports.
I wrote "a few" because the scanners go off at Level 4 -- highest security -- but not at Level 3, 2, or 1 institutions.
And I'd like to invite your wife to join us at alt.support.arthritis and talk about her problems and surgery, if she's so inclined to.
Justin Case - 30 Jun 2007 21:59 GMT My comment at the bottom
: > My wife had pretty extensive back surgery with steel rods and screws : > to support her spinal column (a degenerative disease). .... Like you, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] : And I'd like to invite your wife to join us at alt.support.arthritis : and talk about her problems and surgery, if she's so inclined to. Thank you.
On behalf of my wife, I will tell her about this arthritis group, but that was not her problem at all. If you have time for a more detailed description I'll tell you about it.
The original condition, diagnosed about 40 years ago, is known as spondylolisthesis, in which the lowest of the spinal vertebrae, designated by a lumbar number, L4 or L5, is, or has become, dislocated or deformed and slips so that the nerves in the spinal column are pinched. The pain is severe and spinal fusion is usually prescribed.
In my wife's case, the first fusion didn't "take," the vertebrae didn't fuse as they were supposed to and the whole procedure had to be repeated in less than a year. This second fusion went well, until in a careless moment (she admits this) she attempted to lift a heavy Mexican clay flower pot and the fusion joint broke.
A third fusion was performed and this time everything looked good, but the weight of the body (and she's no heavyweight) now rests on upper lumbar vertebrae, which do not normally carry this weight, and causes compression of the spinal discs, which squeeze out of the way and result in pinched nerves again.
It was for this final ailment that my wife elected -- though there wasn't much choice -- to have the entire lower part of the lumbar vertebrae and two or three (I forget) of the thoracic vertebrae secured solidly with two parallel stainless steel rods and screws into the spine itself. Sounds kinda Star War-ish, but it worked. The surgeon told her she'd never be able to arch her back like a cat again, and she has the straightest posture you've ever seen. She's never completely without pain, but it's manageable, usually without medication.
We give thanks frequently that we live in an age where this kind of orthopedic surgery can be done, and safely.
Ken Bland
Tom Cular - 30 Jun 2007 16:46 GMT I have to agree with Curtis, I had a bypass about a year and a half ago and had wire ties (looked like bread bag ties on the x-rays) to put the sternum back together, they caused no problem with subsequent MRI's or airport scanners.
Tom
> From: freakmagnet66@yahoo.com (Jane) > On Jun 27, 3:05 pm, LooseCannon <lambchop...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." > http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc bobbyD - 29 Jun 2007 17:37 GMT no issues with tattoos and mri's,,, well i thought different, and was hoping i would never have to have an mri again ,,due to gettin tattooos,, guess that plan was a bust,,, LOLOL
cheers bobbyD
>> >>Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos >> >>gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I have nine tattoos and have had a MRI in the last two years, without > issue Spike - 30 Jun 2007 03:55 GMT Tattoo's and MRI's are a myth, I have multiple LARGE Tattoos and they never did a thing to them or me.
Did get a funny feeling from this plate in my head. (Joke)
Spike
Spike - 30 Jun 2007 03:56 GMT No need to be harsh about it though
daytime - 30 Jun 2007 08:10 GMT > No need to be harsh about it though or be rude
wick.tick@gmail.com - 30 Jun 2007 15:37 GMT please let me lead my life please please please please please
Sylv - 01 Jul 2007 01:13 GMT > And thats a complete crock! There is not even remotely enuf iron in > tatoo ink to cause problems for someone. Its simple science, but for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Don't be spreading false info. I stand by my information.
Don't get your information from TV shows.
I looked up MRIs and tattoo inks, and found several sites that said metal in tattoo inks can cause severe burns.
Several sites did say it was safe, but, guess what, they were trying to sell tattoos and/or tattoo inks.
In the experiment you referenced, the pig was DEAD. I believe there may be a difference between dead and living flesh.
>From "How Stuff Works" Infections can occur in new tattoos, especially without appropriate after care. Some people also experience allergic reactions to tattoo inks. Although the pigments used may have U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for other purposes, the FDA does not regulate tattoo inks. Finally, some people experience pain or burning during magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) examinations because of metallic pigments. Some doctors have also reported interference and distorted MRI images from permanent make-up pigments.
>From "medicalcentereast" http://medicalcentereast.client.web-health.com/web-health/topics/GeneralHealth/g eneralhealthsub/generalhealth/Surgery&Diagnosis-General%20Procedures/MRI_prep.ht ml
Why would a tattoo be a problem? The ink used for tattoos contains metallic pigments. These pigments heat up, which can cause serious burns. o The degree to which the pigment is attracted by the magnet varies with the color of the ink. o The potential for burns also applies to permanent eyeliner.
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Personally, I don't adorn myself with anything that cannot be easily removed. Fashions change.
Sylvia
Steve Jordan - 01 Jul 2007 03:02 GMT It's interesting to note that this lawn fertilizer is cross-posted to, among others, sites devoted to schizophrenia and depression.
Snore.
Regards,
Steve J
Startle startle little twink What the heck I are you think I'm not under the alcafluence of incohol Though some thinkle peep I are The drunker I sit here the longer I get.
Jane - 01 Jul 2007 15:02 GMT >> And thats a complete crock! There is not even remotely enuf iron in >> tatoo ink to cause problems for someone. Its simple science, but for [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Sylvia You can quote all you want, I think it depends on the shop. like I said I have nine and have never been burned by an MRI scan, CT scan, PET scan, WBS scan, ultra sounds and x-rays.
Sylv - 02 Jul 2007 01:19 GMT > You can quote all you want, I think it depends on the shop. like I said I > have nine and have never been burned by an MRI scan, CT scan, PET scan, WBS > scan, ultra sounds and x-rays It doesn't depend on the "shop," it depends on the ink. Your tattoos must have been done with non-metallic inks. I saw one ad for black ink maded with "india ink," that stuff they make (or used to make) from the "ink" of octopi.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. I just posted this information for those who are considering getting a tattoo. People on the MS group may get an MRI someday.
Sylvia
Jane - 02 Jul 2007 04:24 GMT >> You can quote all you want, I think it depends on the shop. like I said I >> have nine and have never been burned by an MRI scan, CT scan, PET scan, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Sylvia yeah they might but I don't think you should worry them unnecessarily. MS is enough to worry about, their tattoo's are the least of their problems. I've had cancer three times, no scratch that this is my forth time and I've had many many different scans and being burned by a tattoo was the least of my worries.
Sylv - 02 Jul 2007 23:14 GMT Jane;
> yeah they might but I don't think you should worry them unnecessarily. MS > is enough to worry about, their tattoo's are the least of their problems. Yep, all those tests are nasty, but I'm sure glad I didn't have a tattoo when I went in for an MRI. The techs only warned me about taking out all my pierced jewelry.
> I've had cancer three times, no scratch that this is my forth time and I've > had many many different scans and being burned by a tattoo was the least of > my worries Best of luck in your fight against cancer.
Sylvia
Jane - 03 Jul 2007 00:25 GMT > Jane; > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sylvia Thanks Sylvia, I'll take all the luck I can get
c palmer - 02 Jul 2007 06:40 GMT It doesn't depend on the "shop," it depends on the ink. Your tattoos must have been done with non-metallic inks. I saw one ad for black ink maded with "india ink," that stuff they make (or used to make) from the "ink" of octopi. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. I just posted this information for those who are considering getting a tattoo. People on the MS group may get an MRI someday. Sylvia
====> it just go happens that i had a tattoo shop in one of my buildings that i rented out and i was interested in how they did things. they took the time to explain everything to me. from how they sterilized the needles to how to set the depth of the tattoo gun and adjust the points of the gun as well as the different types of inks. most inks do not use metals because it can cause a body reaction. they also specialized in henna and body piercings. now, you have a lot of metal in body piercings and i could see where that could affect a MRI. i know that the people who got their tongue pierce often broke teeth because they would forget that they had that piece of metal in their mouth and would bite down and fracture the tooth.
now, for the good side of tattoos. they also specialized in medial tattoos. this is the art of doing everything from creating permanent eyeliner and make up to cover up tattoo work on burn victims where they would tattoo the scarring to make it the same color as the surrounding tissue or they would tattoo over a birthmark or a port stain. they could colorize using a tattoo over a surgery scar to get it to blend in with the skin.
doctors would send their patients to them if they felt that the tattoo shop could help them.
it was an interesting business because it's not what one would think of a tattoo shop would be.
so, getting back to what this thread is all about - if you get a tattoo, you can't get an MRI
here's an article that may help to explain things. after all, they use tattoos to mark the spots for radiation.
~ curtis
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BellaOnline's Body Art Editor
Medical Tattoos and Micropigmentation Slowly but surely, the back alley practice of tattooing is finding credible uses in the medicine world.
Believe it or not, there are a few instances where making a permanent mark is necessary for medical procedures.
Tattooing occasionally comes into play in the realm of healing and more often than not, there is a practical motivation for an unchanging mark and not too much art is involved. However, this can be an awkward area as sometimes the medical necessity overrides the patient's choice, occasionally resulting in a required, unwanted tattoo.
The most common application of medical tattooing comes in the realm of radiation therapy for cancer. For certain types of cancer, radiation is an effective treatment but tissues must be precisely treated, neither missed in the x-ray passes nor over-irradiated. A sort of targeting pattern is often tattooed onto these patients as the treatment schedule is frequently stretches over a period of months This is the most reliable way of marking the treatment areas without having to remeasure and remark, giving the oncologist a fixed map to follow.
Increasingly there is usage of tattooing for reconstructive purposes, often called "micropigmentation." In this instance, rather than fanciful designs, the artistry comes in reproduction of the natural, providing the opportunity for restoration through camouflage and re-pigmentation of the skin. Scar re-pigmentation and aureola reconstruction following mastectomy are the leading areas where tattooing can be a part of a patient's post-surgery treatment options.
Replacement of larger areas of skin pigmentation due to disease or burn damage are areas that are seeing expansion of these "dermagraphics" as doctors and tattooists collaborate more with patients to restore a pre-illness and pre-surgery appearance.
People of color have the most options in this area. Ink colors can be matched to individual skin tones and shades, allowing all manner of discolorations to be filled and blended with the surrounding areas.
Using tattoing to restore flawed patches of skin is a technique that actually works better the darker the person's skin color and does not work as well for Caucasians. White tattoo ink is not opaque and can not be added into the skin over darker tattoo colors or skin discolorations to make them lighter. A dermatologist would most likely use a laser to remove errant skin pigmentation in those cases.
A British widower recently made international headlines with her choice of tattoo. The 85 year-old woman, who once worked in nursing, visited a local tattooist to have specific "do not resuscitate" instructions tattooed on her chest. Having seen many people resuscitated against their wishes once incapacitated, she wanted to make sure that any attendant medical staff knew her explicit preference. She hoped to spark more debate rather than start a new fashion trend, as well as make sure her final wishes are seen to as she specified.
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Juba - 01 Jul 2007 16:54 GMT Sylv <Sylv772003@yahoo.com> wrote in message: 1183248805.953504.64540@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
> Personally, I don't adorn myself with anything that cannot be easily > removed. Fashions change. And yet tattoos will always be stupid. :-)
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kittychats - 03 Jul 2007 03:13 GMT II don't have MS or have I had an MRI, yet, BUTT, BIG BUTT ( )( ) Damn, guess I'm goin' ta hafta scratch gettin' a tattoo off the list.... LOL ; ) Eileen
Mongiat - 03 Jul 2007 16:26 GMT I guess that means that I should also stop taking my medication for IRON poor blood. The iron pill will probably come jetting out of my gut at supersonic speed and very well could strike and kill the technician, causing a similar injury to that of a 50 caliber bullet. Even if the pill (bullet) has completely dissolved, Just think of all the wounds that I will suffer from all the minute particles of iron that are floating around in my blood. Now, if the medication has been successful and there is a higher concentration of iron built up in my, i.e. Liver. Can you imagine the size of the wound that will occur as that is ripped from my body by the MRI. Sylv, thank you for giving me so much to think (worry, fret,obsess) over or about. I wonder if life is worth living any longer?
>> Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos >> gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sylvia bobbyD - 03 Jul 2007 18:01 GMT >I guess that means that I should also stop taking my medication for IRON >poor blood. > The iron pill will probably come jetting out of my gut at supersonic speed > and very well could strike and kill the technician, causing a similar > injury to that of a 50 caliber bullet. good idea,, just to be safe!@!!!
> Even if the pill (bullet) has completely dissolved, Just think of all the > wounds that I will suffer from all the minute particles of iron that are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > size of the wound that will occur as that is ripped from my body by the > MRI. hmmmm nice piece of thread destruction,, wasnt this bout Tattoos???
> Sylv, thank you for giving me so much to think (worry, fret,obsess) > over or about. > I wonder if life is worth living any longer? not for you,, !!! this obsessiveness you have is very bad,, ,, might as well not bother eh?????
tattoos,, not iron pills,,, get on the thread
good luck in your quest!! cheers bobbyD
>>> Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos >>> gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Sylvia Laura - 03 Jul 2007 21:32 GMT lol good one..
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>I guess that means that I should also stop taking my medication for >IRON poor blood. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Sylvia Jane - 04 Jul 2007 00:01 GMT >I guess that means that I should also stop taking my medication for IRON >poor blood. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > over or about. > I wonder if life is worth living any longer? I'm sorry but hahahahahahahaha! I'm still laughing LOL!
Sylv - 06 Jul 2007 23:39 GMT > I guess that means that I should also stop taking my medication for IRON > poor blood. Shhhhh!!! Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!"
You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll!
Sylvia
california_chief - 07 Jul 2007 04:19 GMT > Shhhhh!!! Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!" > You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll! You mean cross-posting numbnutz from Canada?
never@million - 07 Jul 2007 04:35 GMT >> Shhhhh!!! Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!" >> You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll! > >You mean cross-posting numbnutz from Canada? Hey! hey, hey, Chief, what better way to cross-post than from a northern border to a southern border?
. . . 'er, wait a minute! I got what you mean.
Enjoy!!!
Donn
Jane - 07 Jul 2007 16:56 GMT >>> Shhhhh!!! Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!" >>> You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Donn lol sounds more like smuggling
never@million - 07 Jul 2007 19:36 GMT >>>> Shhhhh!!! Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!" >>>> You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >lol sounds more like smuggling Hmmm, never quite thought of it that way, but snce you mention it, maybe . . .
Donn
mongiat - 08 Jul 2007 00:03 GMT >>>>> Shhhhh!!! Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!" >>>>> You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Donn you need to be careful. bobbyD is on the war-path against us heathens that can not stay on a thread. I thought we were staying on the thread. I guess it was just not his idea of a thread. I can't take another tounge-lashing like I got the other day
Jane - 08 Jul 2007 05:01 GMT >>>>>> Shhhhh!!! Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!" >>>>>> You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll! [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > of a thread. > I can't take another tounge-lashing like I got the other day Mr BobbyD needs to realize there are enough wars going on and maybe he should put his efforts into some thing a little more worth while then a thread drift but then again what do I know, accept it's nice meeting new ppl from groups I don't frequent!
Jane
Sylv - 08 Jul 2007 00:52 GMT On Jul 6, 10:19 pm, "california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote:
> > Shhhhh!!! Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!" > > You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll! > > You mean cross-posting numbnutz from Canada? The same! He's all over Usenet like elephant sh*t at a circus.
Sylvia
never@million - 08 Jul 2007 01:00 GMT >On Jul 6, 10:19 pm, "california_chief" ><Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Sylvia Elephants in a circus?! I thought the animal rights folks got that stopped. Now they use human beings in their place. :)
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