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PinkyStyle - 27 Jun 2007 07:01 GMT
Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos
gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any
models of tattoos here.

http://tattoohouse.blogspot.com/
Sylv - 27 Jun 2007 16:58 GMT
> Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos
> gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any
> models of tattoos here.

CAUTION: I know this is SPAM. but MSers must remember that getting
tattoos with inks containing iron oxides will make it impossible to
get an MRI.

Sylvia
LooseCannon - 27 Jun 2007 20:05 GMT
>>Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos
>>gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Sylvia

And thats a complete crock!  There is not even remotely enuf iron in
tatoo ink to cause problems for someone.  Its simple science, but for
those wanting proof, on the Discovery Channel show, Mythbusters, they
made an iron intense ink, with hundreds of times more iron in the ink
then normal tatoos have in them, and tatooed a pig carcass, and put it
in a MRI and nothing happened AT ALL.

Don't be spreading false info.
Jane - 27 Jun 2007 21:18 GMT
> >>Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos
> >>gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Don't be spreading false info.

I have nine tattoos and have had a MRI in the last two years, without
issue
c palmer - 27 Jun 2007 22:04 GMT
From: freakmagnet66@yahoo.com (Jane)
On Jun 27, 3:05 pm, LooseCannon <lambchop...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sylv wrote:
On Jun 27, 1:01 am, PinkyStyle <pinkstyl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos
gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any models
of tattoos here.
CAUTION: I know this is SPAM. but MSers must remember that getting
tattoos with inks containing iron oxides will make it impossible to get
an MRI.
Sylvia

And thats a complete crock! There is not even remotely enuf iron in
tatoo ink to cause problems for someone. Its simple science, but for
those wanting proof, on the Discovery Channel show, Mythbusters, they
made an iron intense ink, with hundreds of times more iron in the ink
then normal tatoos have in them, and tatooed a pig carcass, and put it
in a MRI and nothing happened AT ALL.
Don't be spreading false info.
I have nine tattoos and have had a MRI in the last two years, without
issue

====> my wife had open heart surgery and they had to wire her ribs back
together.  they told her that she would set off the security alarms at
the airport and they they would have to hand wand her.  

she always wondered if she could get an MRI again because of the wire.
when she ask, they told her that she could and that she would not have
any damage because of all the wire inside.  they also explained that she
couldn't have an MRI when first had  the open heart done because
everything had to heal, but now, it's ok.

that's a lot more iron/steel inside than any tattoo that i know of.

~ curtis

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"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
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Justin Case - 28 Jun 2007 16:20 GMT
<Snipped>

: ====> my wife had open heart surgery and they had to wire her ribs back
: together.  they told her that she would set off the security alarms at
: the airport and they they would have to hand wand her.

Quite unrelated to the prostate discussion but related to internal surgery
with metal:

My wife had pretty extensive back surgery with steel rods and screws to
support her spinal column (a degenerative disease).  We could have opted for
titanium but the surgeon said titanium was considerably more expensive and
harder to work with, and he had had no negative reports from patients unless
they were allergic to stainless steel.  Like you, we wondered about airport
scanners and I joked  that the sirens would sound as soon as my wife entered
the area, but absolutely nothing happened.  She passed through scanners in
El Paso and Chicago with nary a beep.  Maybe stainless is not that
ferromagnetic.

Ken Bland
california_chief - 29 Jun 2007 22:31 GMT
> My wife had pretty extensive back surgery with steel rods and screws
> to support her spinal column (a degenerative disease).  ....  Like you,
> we wondered about airport scanners and I joked  that the sirens would
> sound as soon as my wife entered the area, but absolutely nothing
> happened.  She passed through scanners in El Paso and Chicago with
> nary a beep.  Maybe stainless is not that ferromagnetic.

It depends upon the sensitivity setting of the scanner.

I had a total hip replacement in July 2000 (opposite hip due in July),
and I set off scanners at some places (a few prisons I visit) but not
at courthouses or airports.

I wrote "a few" because the scanners go off at Level 4 -- highest
security -- but not at Level 3, 2, or 1 institutions.

And I'd like to invite your wife to join us at alt.support.arthritis
and talk about her problems and surgery, if she's so inclined to.
Justin Case - 30 Jun 2007 21:59 GMT
My comment at the bottom

: > My wife had pretty extensive back surgery with steel rods and screws
: > to support her spinal column (a degenerative disease).  ....  Like you,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
: And I'd like to invite your wife to join us at alt.support.arthritis
: and talk about her problems and surgery, if she's so inclined to.

Thank you.

On behalf of my wife, I will tell her about this arthritis group, but that
was not her problem at all.  If you have time for a more detailed
description I'll tell you about it.

The original condition, diagnosed about 40 years ago, is known as
spondylolisthesis, in which the lowest of the spinal vertebrae, designated
by a lumbar number, L4 or L5, is, or has become, dislocated or deformed and
slips so that the nerves in the spinal column are pinched.  The pain is
severe and spinal fusion is usually prescribed.

In my wife's case, the first fusion didn't "take," the vertebrae didn't fuse
as they were supposed to and the whole procedure had to be repeated in less
than a year.  This second fusion went well, until in a careless moment (she
admits this) she attempted to lift a heavy Mexican clay flower pot and the
fusion joint broke.

A third fusion was performed and this time everything looked good, but the
weight of the body (and she's no heavyweight) now rests on upper lumbar
vertebrae, which do not normally carry this weight, and causes compression
of the spinal discs, which squeeze out of the way and result in pinched
nerves again.

It was for this final ailment that my wife elected -- though there wasn't
much choice -- to have the entire lower part of the lumbar vertebrae and two
or three (I forget) of the thoracic vertebrae secured solidly with two
parallel stainless steel rods and screws into the spine itself.  Sounds
kinda Star War-ish, but it worked.  The surgeon told her she'd never be able
to arch her back like a cat again, and she has the straightest posture
you've ever seen.  She's never completely without pain, but it's manageable,
usually without medication.

We give thanks frequently that we live in an age where this kind of
orthopedic surgery can be done, and safely.

Ken Bland
Tom Cular - 30 Jun 2007 16:46 GMT
I have to agree with Curtis, I had a bypass about a year and a half ago and
had wire ties (looked like bread bag ties on the x-rays) to put the sternum
back together, they caused no problem with subsequent MRI's or airport
scanners.

Tom
> From: freakmagnet66@yahoo.com (Jane)
> On Jun 27, 3:05 pm, LooseCannon <lambchop...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
> http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
bobbyD - 29 Jun 2007 17:37 GMT
no issues with tattoos and mri's,,, well i thought different, and was hoping
i would never have to have an mri again ,,due to gettin tattooos,, guess
that plan was a bust,,,  LOLOL

cheers
bobbyD

>> >>Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos
>> >>gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> I have nine tattoos and have had a MRI in the last two years, without
> issue
Spike - 30 Jun 2007 03:55 GMT
Tattoo's and MRI's are a myth, I have multiple LARGE Tattoos and they
never did a thing to them or me.

Did get a funny feeling from this plate in my head.  (Joke)

Spike
Spike - 30 Jun 2007 03:56 GMT
No need to be harsh about it though
daytime - 30 Jun 2007 08:10 GMT
> No need to be harsh about it though

or be rude
wick.tick@gmail.com - 30 Jun 2007 15:37 GMT
please let me lead my life please please please please please
Sylv - 01 Jul 2007 01:13 GMT
> And thats a complete crock!  There is not even remotely enuf iron in
> tatoo ink to cause problems for someone.  Its simple science, but for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Don't be spreading false info.

I stand by my information.

Don't get your information from TV shows.

I looked up MRIs and tattoo inks, and found several sites that said
metal in tattoo inks can cause severe burns.

Several sites did say it was safe, but, guess what, they were trying
to sell tattoos and/or tattoo inks.

In the experiment you referenced, the pig was DEAD.  I believe there
may be a difference between dead and living flesh.

>From "How Stuff Works"

Infections can occur in new tattoos, especially without appropriate
after care. Some people also experience allergic reactions to tattoo
inks. Although the pigments used may have U.S. Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) approval for other purposes, the FDA does not
regulate tattoo inks. Finally, some people experience pain or burning
during magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) examinations because of
metallic pigments. Some doctors have also reported interference and
distorted MRI images from permanent make-up pigments.

>From "medicalcentereast"

http://medicalcentereast.client.web-health.com/web-health/topics/GeneralHealth/g
eneralhealthsub/generalhealth/Surgery&Diagnosis-General%20Procedures/MRI_prep.ht
ml


Why would a tattoo be a problem?
    The ink used for tattoos contains metallic pigments.  These
pigments heat up, which can cause serious burns.
o    The degree to which the pigment is attracted by the magnet varies
with the color of the ink.
o    The potential for burns also applies to permanent eyeliner.

<end quote>

Personally, I don't adorn myself with anything that cannot be easily
removed.  Fashions change.

Sylvia
Steve Jordan - 01 Jul 2007 03:02 GMT
It's interesting to note that this lawn fertilizer is cross-posted to,
among others, sites devoted to schizophrenia and depression.

Snore.

Regards,

Steve J

Startle startle little twink
What the heck I are you think
I'm not under the alcafluence of incohol
Though some thinkle peep I are
The drunker I sit here the longer I get.
Jane - 01 Jul 2007 15:02 GMT
>> And thats a complete crock!  There is not even remotely enuf iron in
>> tatoo ink to cause problems for someone.  Its simple science, but for
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> Sylvia

You can quote all you want, I think it depends on the shop. like I said I
have nine and have never been burned by an MRI scan, CT scan, PET scan, WBS
scan, ultra sounds and x-rays.
Sylv - 02 Jul 2007 01:19 GMT
> You can quote all you want, I think it depends on the shop. like I said I
> have nine and have never been burned by an MRI scan, CT scan, PET scan, WBS
> scan, ultra sounds and x-rays

It doesn't depend on the "shop," it depends on the ink.  Your tattoos
must have been done with non-metallic inks.  I saw one ad for black
ink maded with "india ink," that stuff they make (or used to make)
from the "ink" of octopi.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.  I just
posted this information for those who are considering getting a
tattoo.  People on the MS group may get an MRI someday.

Sylvia
Jane - 02 Jul 2007 04:24 GMT
>> You can quote all you want, I think it depends on the shop. like I said I
>> have nine and have never been burned by an MRI scan, CT scan, PET scan,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Sylvia

yeah they might but I don't think you should worry them unnecessarily.  MS
is enough to worry about, their tattoo's are the least of their problems.
I've had cancer three times, no scratch that this is my forth time and I've
had many many different scans and being burned by a tattoo was the least of
my worries.
Sylv - 02 Jul 2007 23:14 GMT
Jane;

> yeah they might but I don't think you should worry them unnecessarily.  MS
> is enough to worry about, their tattoo's are the least of their problems.

Yep, all those tests are nasty, but I'm sure glad I didn't have a
tattoo when I went in for an MRI.  The techs only warned me about
taking out all my pierced jewelry.

> I've had cancer three times, no scratch that this is my forth time and I've
> had many many different scans and being burned by a tattoo was the least of
> my worries

Best of luck in your fight against cancer.

Sylvia
Jane - 03 Jul 2007 00:25 GMT
> Jane;
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Sylvia

Thanks Sylvia, I'll take all the luck I can get
c palmer - 02 Jul 2007 06:40 GMT
It doesn't depend on the "shop," it depends on the ink. Your tattoos
must have been done with non-metallic inks. I saw one ad for black ink
maded with "india ink," that stuff they make (or used to make) from the
"ink" of octopi.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. I just
posted this information for those who are considering getting a tattoo.
People on the MS group may get an MRI someday.
Sylvia

====> it just go happens that i had a tattoo shop in one of my buildings
that i rented out and i was interested in how they did things.  they
took the time to explain everything to me.  from how they sterilized the
needles to how to set the depth of the tattoo gun and adjust the points
of the gun as well as the different types of inks.   most inks do not
use metals because it can cause a body reaction.  they also specialized
in henna and body piercings.  now,  you have a lot of metal in body
piercings and i could see where that could affect a MRI.  i know that
the people who got their tongue pierce often broke teeth because they
would forget that they had that piece of metal in their mouth and would
bite down and fracture the tooth.

now, for the good side of tattoos.   they also specialized in medial
tattoos.   this is the art of doing everything from creating permanent
eyeliner and make up to cover up tattoo work on burn victims where they
would tattoo the scarring to make it the same color as the surrounding
tissue or they would tattoo over a birthmark or a port stain.  they
could colorize using a tattoo over a surgery scar to get it to blend in
with the skin.

doctors would send their patients to them if they felt that the tattoo
shop could help them.

it was an interesting business because it's not what one would think of
a tattoo shop would be.

so, getting back to what this thread is all about - if you get a tattoo,
you can't get an MRI

here's an article that may help to explain things.  after all, they use
tattoos to mark the spots for radiation.

~ curtis

------------

BellaOnline's Body Art Editor

Medical Tattoos and Micropigmentation
Slowly but surely, the back alley practice of tattooing is finding
credible uses in the medicine world.

Believe it or not, there are a few instances where making a permanent
mark is necessary for medical procedures.

Tattooing occasionally comes into play in the realm of healing and more
often than not, there is a practical motivation for an unchanging mark
and not too much art is involved. However, this can be an awkward area
as sometimes the medical necessity overrides the patient's choice,
occasionally resulting in a required, unwanted tattoo.

The most common application of medical tattooing comes in the realm of
radiation therapy for cancer. For certain types of cancer, radiation is
an effective treatment but tissues must be precisely treated, neither
missed in the x-ray passes nor over-irradiated. A sort of targeting
pattern is often tattooed onto these patients as the treatment schedule
is frequently stretches over a period of months This is the most
reliable way of marking the treatment areas without having to remeasure
and remark, giving the oncologist a fixed map to follow.

Increasingly there is usage of tattooing for reconstructive purposes,
often called "micropigmentation." In this instance, rather than fanciful
designs, the artistry comes in reproduction of the natural, providing
the opportunity for restoration through camouflage and re-pigmentation
of the skin. Scar re-pigmentation and aureola reconstruction following
mastectomy are the leading areas where tattooing can be a part of a
patient's post-surgery treatment options.

Replacement of larger areas of skin pigmentation due to disease or burn
damage are areas that are seeing expansion of these "dermagraphics" as
doctors and tattooists collaborate more with patients to restore a
pre-illness and pre-surgery appearance.

People of color have the most options in this area. Ink colors can be
matched to individual skin tones and shades, allowing all manner of
discolorations to be filled and blended with the surrounding areas.

Using tattoing to restore flawed patches of skin is a technique that
actually works better the darker the person's skin color and does not
work as well for Caucasians.
White tattoo ink is not opaque and can not be added into the skin over
darker tattoo colors or skin discolorations to make them lighter. A
dermatologist would most likely use a laser to remove errant skin
pigmentation in those cases.

A British widower recently made international headlines with her choice
of tattoo. The 85 year-old woman, who once worked in nursing, visited a
local tattooist to have specific "do not resuscitate" instructions
tattooed on her chest. Having seen many people resuscitated against
their wishes once incapacitated, she wanted to make sure that any
attendant medical staff knew her explicit preference.
She hoped to spark more debate rather than start a new fashion trend, as
well as make sure her final wishes are seen to as she specified.

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Juba - 01 Jul 2007 16:54 GMT
Sylv <Sylv772003@yahoo.com> wrote in message:
1183248805.953504.64540@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
> Personally, I don't adorn myself with anything that cannot be easily
> removed.  Fashions change.

And yet tattoos will always be stupid.   :-)

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kittychats - 03 Jul 2007 03:13 GMT
II don't have MS or have I had an MRI, yet, BUTT, BIG BUTT ( )( )
Damn, guess I'm goin' ta hafta scratch gettin' a tattoo off the
list....
LOL
; )
Eileen
Mongiat - 03 Jul 2007 16:26 GMT
I guess that means that I should also stop taking my medication for IRON
poor blood.
The iron pill will probably come jetting out of my gut at supersonic speed
and very well could strike and kill the technician, causing a similar injury
to that of a 50 caliber bullet.
Even if the pill (bullet) has completely dissolved, Just think of all the
wounds that I will suffer from all the minute particles of iron that are
floating around in my blood.
Now, if the medication has been successful and there is a higher
concentration of iron built up in my, i.e. Liver.  Can you imagine the size
of the wound that will occur as that is ripped from my body by the MRI.
   Sylv, thank you for giving me so much to think (worry, fret,obsess) over
or about.
I wonder if life is worth living any longer?

>> Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos
>> gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Sylvia
bobbyD - 03 Jul 2007 18:01 GMT
>I guess that means that I should also stop taking my medication for IRON
>poor blood.
> The iron pill will probably come jetting out of my gut at supersonic speed
> and very well could strike and kill the technician, causing a similar
> injury to that of a 50 caliber bullet.

good idea,, just to be safe!@!!!

> Even if the pill (bullet) has completely dissolved, Just think of all the
> wounds that I will suffer from all the minute particles of iron that are
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> size of the wound that will occur as that is ripped from my body by the
> MRI.

hmmmm nice piece of thread destruction,, wasnt this bout Tattoos???

>    Sylv, thank you for giving me so much to think (worry, fret,obsess)
> over or about.
> I wonder if life is worth living any longer?

not for you,, !!!    this obsessiveness you have is very bad,, ,, might as
well not bother eh?????

tattoos,, not iron pills,,,  get on the thread

good luck in your quest!!
cheers
bobbyD

>>> Huge collection of tattoos, find your favorite tattoos in this tattoos
>>> gallery, many models of tattoos are shown here. You can find any
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>
>> Sylvia
Laura - 03 Jul 2007 21:32 GMT
lol good one..

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>I guess that means that I should also stop taking my medication for
>IRON poor blood.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>
>> Sylvia
Jane - 04 Jul 2007 00:01 GMT
>I guess that means that I should also stop taking my medication for IRON
>poor blood.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> over or about.
> I wonder if life is worth living any longer?

I'm sorry but hahahahahahahaha!  I'm still laughing LOL!
Sylv - 06 Jul 2007 23:39 GMT
> I guess that means that I should also stop taking my medication for IRON
> poor blood.

Shhhhh!!!  Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!"

You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll!

Sylvia
california_chief - 07 Jul 2007 04:19 GMT
> Shhhhh!!!  Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!"
> You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll!

You mean cross-posting numbnutz from Canada?
never@million - 07 Jul 2007 04:35 GMT
>> Shhhhh!!!  Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!"
>> You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll!
>
>You mean cross-posting numbnutz from Canada?

Hey! hey, hey, Chief, what better way to cross-post than from a
northern border to a southern border?

. . . 'er, wait a minute! I got what you mean.

Enjoy!!!

Donn
Jane - 07 Jul 2007 16:56 GMT
>>> Shhhhh!!!  Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!"
>>> You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Donn

lol sounds more like smuggling
never@million - 07 Jul 2007 19:36 GMT
>>>> Shhhhh!!!  Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!"
>>>> You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll!
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>lol sounds more like smuggling

Hmmm, never quite thought of it that way, but snce you mention it,
maybe . . .

Donn
mongiat - 08 Jul 2007 00:03 GMT
>>>>> Shhhhh!!!  Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!"
>>>>> You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll!
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Donn

you need to be careful.  bobbyD is on the war-path against us heathens that
can not stay on a thread.
I thought we were staying on the thread.  I guess it was just not his idea
of a thread.
I can't take another tounge-lashing like I got the other day
Jane - 08 Jul 2007 05:01 GMT
>>>>>> Shhhhh!!!  Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!"
>>>>>> You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll!
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> of a thread.
> I can't take another tounge-lashing like I got the other day

Mr BobbyD needs to realize there are enough wars going on and maybe he
should put his efforts into some thing a little more worth while then a
thread drift but then again what do I know, accept it's nice meeting new ppl
from groups I don't frequent!

Jane
Sylv - 08 Jul 2007 00:52 GMT
On Jul 6, 10:19 pm, "california_chief"
<Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote:
> > Shhhhh!!!  Don't mention "iron" pills and/or "iron poor blood!!!"
> > You just might bring out Tommy the Iron Troll!
>
> You mean cross-posting numbnutz from Canada?

The same!  He's all over Usenet like elephant sh*t at a circus.

Sylvia
never@million - 08 Jul 2007 01:00 GMT
>On Jul 6, 10:19 pm, "california_chief"
><Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Sylvia

Elephants in a circus?! I thought the animal rights folks got that
stopped. Now they use human beings in their place. :)

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