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Steve Kramer - 28 May 2007 18:03 GMT
Memorial Day is a solemn and sad occasion honoring the American soldiers who
gave their lives in war.  I am moved to recognize those men here who risked
such a fate for no less a reason than that the values for which you fought
to defend form the essence of our country: freedom and the rights of the
individual.
Perhaps that is why we are so well represented here by former military
personnel.  It stands to reason that these men who have never fought in a
war of conquest would be quick to sign up again to support us as we defend
ourselves against our personal threat:  cancer.

So, please indulge me as I take this opportunity to point out the following
prostate cancer victims that, to my knowledge, also served the free world as
an airman, Marine, sailor, or soldier of the United States and it's allies:

Larry    United States Army

Jerry W.    United States Army '66-'69

Jean AND Larry

Bob C.    United States Navy '66-'69

Dave Muth    United States Navy submariner

George Brown    United States Air Force

LTC I.P. Freely    United States Air Force, retired

SSGT Robert Kramer    United States Marines, 3 time Purple Heart awardee

David LaCourse    United States Navy

Rod    United States Navy

Joe Nicholson    United States Navy Reserve '53-'79

Curtis Palmer    United State Navy, possible Agent Orange victim

Canada Bob of Nova Scotia

Danny McCarty

David Detchemendy

Gary Nichols

Iowa, Agent Orange-induced cancer victim

Jim Thomas

Mary K. Farrell's friend, Joe

Harold of Kansas City

Philip Parker

Steve Jordan

Hugh Kearnley    Her Majesty's Army

WebDon of Milwaukee

Thank you to you and all those that I missed for your service to me, my
family, our country, and the world.
I.P. Freely - 28 May 2007 18:35 GMT
> please indulge me as I take this opportunity to point out the following
> prostate cancer victims that, to my knowledge, also served the free world as
> an airman, Marine, sailor, or soldier of the United States and it's allies:

> LTC I.P. Freely    United States Air Force, retired

We appreciate your comments very much, but I must demote myself for the
record.

I.P.
Maj, USAF (ret)
Jean - 28 May 2007 19:40 GMT
Thanks Steve.

Larry & I were both in the Navy:

Larry:  1964 - 1971
Jean:  1967 - 1968  (Got married, got pregnant, got out.)

Happy Memorial Day to all ... and for those who died for our country, and
continue to die every day ... thank you!

Jean
Carolyn - 28 May 2007 20:05 GMT
John  F Preston
Her Majesty's Royal Air Force
UK

> Thanks Steve.
>
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>
> Jean
Steve Kramer - 28 May 2007 20:18 GMT
Thanks, Carolyn.

How's John?  Last I recall was about his meds in December.

> John  F Preston
> Her Majesty's Royal Air Force
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>>
>> Jean
Carolyn - 28 May 2007 22:45 GMT
Not very good. John's cancer has finally took a terrible grip. His psa rises
about 50 a month we no longer do PSA tests, we know what is happening. All
active treatment has been stopped i.e.: Bisphosphanates, stillbestrol. He
still gets zolodex although that is only because John wants to have it. John
is on hospice at home he has a syringe driver with continuous morphine and
daily injections for sickness. The district nurses come in twice daily and
John spends all his time watching TV and sleeping. He is very frail having
lost a total of 5 stone and has had two nasty falls which resulted in head
injuries. John is unable to do any of his usual things (hobbies, d.i.y ect)
however he still remains upbeat, positive and is the same loving husband to
me. Despite all the suffering he has endured he displays courage, compassion
and love for his family and worries about me and how i am coping.

I am so proud of him and will ever be thankfull that he chose me to spend
his life with. I know that our time together is to be snatched away. How
will i cope without him?  i dont know. We have been told not to worry about
how long he has left but to cherish what we have now. Trouble is when
someone is very ill and you want to cram in as much living as you can they
are to ill to do it!!!! Catch 22.

Take my advise dont wait untill you are dying to live your life, do it now.
all my love
Carolyn
UK
xxxx

> Thanks, Carolyn.
>
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>>>
>>> Jean
Steve Kramer - 28 May 2007 23:21 GMT
> Not very good. John's cancer has finally took a terrible grip.

Thank you, Carolyn, for that stirring description.

I am sure to people outside this NG, it would seem to be morbid curiosity,
but we so rarely have anyone present to us the hard time at the end.  I am
certain that ie was not easy for you.  I envision you pausing between tears
because you could not see the screen.

Again, I thank you for that.

John is still in my prayers, as are you and your family.

Steve
I.P. Freely - 28 May 2007 23:23 GMT
Sad facts, Carolyn, but beautifully expressed and emotionally bolstering
to those of us who probably or already do face the same scenario.

I.P.

> Not very good. John's cancer has finally took a terrible grip. His psa rises
> about 50 a month we no longer do PSA tests, we know what is happening. All
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> all my love
> Carolyn
limey - 29 May 2007 00:50 GMT
> Not very good. John's cancer has finally took a terrible grip. His
> psa rises about 50 a month we no longer do PSA tests, we know what is
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> UK
> xxxx

As a fellow Englishwoman whose husband has the same damn, cursed
illness, my heart goes out to you.   Make the most of every minute.   I
just wish my family was closer.

Hugs,
Dora
Fernando - 28 May 2007 22:38 GMT
> Memorial Day is a solemn and sad occasion honoring the American soldiers who
> gave their lives in war. I am moved to recognize those men here who risked
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
> Thank you to you and all those that I missed for your service to me, my
> family, our country, and the world.

As a person who was born in a foreign country (Argentina), I would
like to thank all the brave Americans who faught in the name of
freedom and justice. Thanks to you the whole world is a better place
today, there is not doubt about that.

Fernando Ocampo
JerryW - 29 May 2007 00:18 GMT
Steve, thanks.

I paused several times today to especially remember a very close buddy of
mine, 1LT Ronald J. Wojtkiewicz, U.S. Army, born 5/17/1945, killed in action
on April 10, 1968 in Quang Tin province, South VietNam. Panel 49E, Row 018,
The Wall. To Ron, and all the other casualties listed on The Wall of the
VietNam Memorial:

"Not Forgotten!"

JerryW

> Memorial Day is a solemn and sad occasion honoring the American soldiers
> who gave their lives in war.  I am moved to recognize those men here who
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> Thank you to you and all those that I missed for your service to me, my
> family, our country, and the world.
limey - 29 May 2007 00:45 GMT
> Memorial Day is a solemn and sad occasion honoring the American
> soldiers who gave their lives in war.  I am moved to recognize those
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
> Thank you to you and all those that I missed for your service to me,
> my family, our country, and the world.

Thank you, Steve, for a touching tribute.  It would be an honour if you
would add my husband's name to your list of military personnel:

Henry Crawford, U.S.Army, 1942 - 1945.  He landed on Omaha Beach at 7
a.m. on D-Day, June 6, 1944, shortly after the Rangers, and served first
in V Corps under General Omar Bradley, then on the tanks under Patton.
54 tanks went into the Huertgen Forest - and six came out.  He's my
hero.
Steve Kramer - 29 May 2007 00:59 GMT
> Thank you, Steve, for a touching tribute.  It would be an honour if you
> would add my husband's name to your list of military personnel:
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> Corps under General Omar Bradley, then on the tanks under Patton.
> 54 tanks went into the Huertgen Forest - and six came out.  He's my hero.

Consider him added.

I'll bet he had a headache when his tank came out.
callalily - 29 May 2007 01:24 GMT
TO LUCASTA, GOING TO THE WARS

Richard Lovelace

Tell me not, Sweet, I am unkind,
That from the nunnery
Of thy chaste breast and quiet mind
To war and arms I fly.

True, a new mistress now I chase,
The first foe in the field;
And with a stronger faith embrace
A sword, a horse, a shield.

Yet this inconstancy is such
As thou too shalt adore;
I could not love thee, Dear, so much,
Loved I not Honour more.

1649
limey - 29 May 2007 01:41 GMT
I served in the women's arm of the British Royal Navy (W.R.N.S.) during
WWII.   Since I now live in the States,
I would like to post a poem which has always had special meaning for me
(long before I moved to the US), especially on this Memorial Day.

     Rupert Brooke. 1887–1915

     The Soldier

     IF I should die, think only this of me;

     That there's some corner of a foreign field

     That is for ever England. There shall be

     In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;

     A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
    5

     Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,

     A body of England's breathing English air,

     Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.

     And think, this heart, all evil shed away,

     A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
    10

     Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;

     Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;

     And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,

     In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.
Zoom - 29 May 2007 02:51 GMT
Thank you for your service, my newly found comrades.
Z

>Memorial Day is a solemn and sad occasion honoring the American soldiers who
>gave their lives in war.  I am moved to recognize those men here who risked
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
>Thank you to you and all those that I missed for your service to me, my
>family, our country, and the world.
Naaman - 29 May 2007 06:47 GMT
> Memorial Day is a solemn and sad occasion honoring the American soldiers who
> gave their lives in war.  I am moved to recognize those men here who risked
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
> Thank you to you and all those that I missed for your service to me, my
> family, our country, and the world.

Four years (1956-1960) in the Air Force.

Naaman
Hugh Kearnley - 29 May 2007 09:24 GMT
My best ever friend, an advocate of life, some one I dare to say I loved as
much as one man can another without passion - although I DID often want to
Hug the f.ck - Ian was killed in a mad firefight in Oman on 4th September
1972. He bled out lying beside me - nothing I could do but cry for my Lord.
I still remember kissing his cheek as I closed his eyes in eternal sleep,
Eternally, my friend, in my breast. Hey Ian? - Up there - remember the night
at Sharjah - You thought you'd hooked a London Bus? You crazy c.nt! I loved
you. I still do.
Hughie
Steve Kramer - 29 May 2007 19:48 GMT
> Four years (1956-1960) in the Air Force.
>
> Naaman

Thank you, sir, for your service.
Hugh Kearnley - 29 May 2007 09:40 GMT
"Hugh Kearnley" <hughkearnley@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:...
> My best ever friend, an advocate of life, some one I dare to say I loved
> as much as one man can another without passion - although I DID often want
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I loved you. I still do.
> Hughie

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