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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / May 2007Offshore Drugs
Has anyone had any success with offshore orders. In other words an honest comany. They all seem to have the testimonials and such but it looks like a crapshoot as far as whats real and whats scam. Of course I'm interested in the E.D. drugs. Thanks for any information and help. Ron Have you heard of VIBE? VIBE is an a anti-oxidant supplement. It is a highly concentrated form of your fruits and vegetables in liquid. If you would like more info, please e-mail me at getvibenow@gmail.com Your friend, Mark > Have you heard of VIBE? VIBE is an a anti-oxidant supplement. It is a > highly concentrated form of your fruits and vegetables in liquid. If > you would like more info, please e-mail me at getvibenow@gmail.com > > Your friend, > Mark Go spam yourself, Mark. It's only fair. Dear Ron, > Has anyone had any success with offshore orders. > In other words an honest comany. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks for any information and help. > Ron Try this: http://overseasrxdrugs.com. We have used it successfully a number of times (once they even sent 2 shipments). This co. is run by a real person in NJ if you have any questions. Just so you know all the cheap drugs originate in India. Also have a look at pharmacychecker.com. You can compare prices and look at ratings. Many people swear by alldaychemist.com, a Canadian company. I have heard rumors that they may not be selling Viagra anymore. The problem I have with them is that they never even bother to ask for a script -- it's just irresponsible. And the Customs folks are really on their case (you get your packages pre-opened). The best thing you can do is go to Canada yourself to get these drugs. Spouse and I just got back from British Columbia and there isn't enuf paper to describe how beautiful this place is. Good luck. Leah > Has anyone had any success with offshore orders. In other words an > honest comany. They all seem to have the testimonials and such but it > looks like a crapshoot as far as whats real and whats scam. Of > course I'm interested in the E.D. drugs. Thanks for any information > and help. See my May 2 post, "FDA Warning re: Fake Drugs." Maybe some of the foreign companies are selling the real thing (illegally, BTW) but I would not stake my health on it. And we can't touch them. They are outlaws, beyond the jurisdiction of our courts. Regards, Steve J "A man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to believe." -- Euripides > ... > See my May 2 post, "FDA Warning re: Fake Drugs." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > our courts. > ... Interestingly, according to Marcia Angell in _The Truth About Drug Companies_, more counterfeit drugs have been found in U.S. pharmacies than in Canadian ones. She claims that the reason is that prices are higher here. If you're going to make and sell counterfeit drugs, you can make significantly more money doing it in the U.S. than in any other country in the world. I haven't heard of anyone complain of counterfeit drugs coming from Canada. As for India, that's a very different country. However, I've read claims that the Indian pharmaceutical industry is very advanced. They specialize in expert copying of U.S. and European drugs - which they can produce at tremendous discounts because 1) they have little R&D expense 2) they don't spend fortunes on marketing 3) their labor cost is low and 4) they face more competition since, in effect everything produced in India is generic and without any patent protection. I have no experience with Indian drugs, but a number of people have reported satisfaction with Indian sildenifil (Viagra) on this newsgroup. Alan >> Maybe some of the foreign companies are selling the real thing >> (illegally, BTW) but I would not stake my health on it. >> >> And we can't touch them. They are outlaws, beyond the jurisdiction of >> our courts. > I haven't heard of anyone complain of counterfeit drugs > coming from Canada. For starters . . . WebMD at http://www.webmd.com/content/article/95/103347.htm presents several reasons not to buy Canadian medicines, especially online. A Q&A from http://www.fda.gov/oc/initiatives/counterfeit/qa.html advises: Q. Should consumers who currently purchase medications over the Internet or import medications from other countries be concerned about counterfeits? A. Consumers can be confident in the quality, safety, and efficacy of medications purchased from a U.S. state licensed pharmacy. For those consumers who purchase medications over the Internet, websites that have the Verified Internet Pharmacy Practice Sites (VIPPS) Seal are licensed pharmacies where FDA-approved medications can be purchased. These sites are identified by the VIPPS hyperlink seal displayed on their Website. Unless medications have been purchased from a U.S. state licensed pharmacy website, the safety and efficacy of these medications cannot be guaranteed. And http://www.fda.gov/ola/2003/canadian0612.html says, among many other concerns: "[a drug website called] Rx Depot generally obtains unapproved drugs from Canada for U.S. consumers, exposing the public to the significant potential risks associated with unregulated imported prescription medications. Rx Deport and similar companies have often stated incorrectly to consumers that FDA condones their activities and even that their prescription medications are “FDA approved.” This could lead consumers to conclude mistakenly that the prescription drugs sold by the companies have the same assurance of safety as drugs actually regulated by FDA." Ya gotta use Google, folks, and make decisions based on larger sets of facts. Of course, that presumes that we can separate facts from BS, at which most of our population (on both sides of any fence I can think of) generally fails miserably. I'm not going to bet my life or health -- again -- on ANY drugs, foreign or domestic, without evaluating them and their impact on me first. I.P. > ... > WebMD at http://www.webmd.com/content/article/95/103347.htm presents several reasons not > to buy Canadian medicines, especially online. > ... An interesting article. It was also interesting that the specific cases of counterfeit drugs that were reported in the article were sold in U.S. pharmacies. > ... > Ya gotta use Google, folks, and make decisions based on larger sets of facts. Of course, > that presumes that we can separate facts from BS, at which most of our population (on > both sides of any fence I can think of) generally fails miserably. All very true. And the difficulty of separating facts from BS is not just due to lack of education or diligence by consumers, but also to the difficulty of the task. We are barraged with sales pitches and propaganda - from U.S. companies that want to protect their markets and huge profit margins, and from foreign companies that want to take that away from them. Add into the mix that foreign drugs have to be bought over the Internet, where fraud is particularly easy. So far, I've never bought any drugs from abroad. If I ever have very expensive prescriptions, and if I find a foreign source that has some recommendations from people I know, then I might consider it. Alan > We are barraged with sales pitches and propaganda - from > U.S. companies that want to protect their markets and huge > profit margins, and from foreign companies that want to take > that away from them. Notice, too, that both U.S. and Canadian government and pharmaceutical industry officials say the same thing: "Who . . . US . . . have counterfeit drugs? Only the other guys have that problem." I.P. >> ... >> WebMD at http://www.webmd.com/content/article/95/103347.htm presents >> several reasons not to buy Canadian medicines, especially online.<<<< Gee, I wonder why an American website doesn't want you buying Canadian meds......particularly seeing as we buy American-made meds at a capped rate. I buy Lipitor made in or by the US for less than you can. Retail price.....not my Senior's price which is $6. >> ... > > An interesting article. It was also interesting that the specific > cases > of counterfeit drugs that were reported in the article were sold in > U.S. pharmacies. Agree on that one. And a lot of the border pharmacies are American owned and operated. > So far, I've never bought any drugs from abroad. If I ever > have very expensive prescriptions, and if I find a foreign > source that has some recommendations from people I > know, then I might consider it. Or just come up here and get them. In fact, I have two boxes of Casodex here that cost me $2.00 each. Ron no longer takes that and it is a crying shame that I can't gift them to one of you. But a small gaol cell is not appealing to me. Cheers.....Heather Yup . . . everbuddy just throw out all the authoritative debate altogether and take an individual's word for it: Buying drugs across the border is perfectly safe. I.P. >>> ... >>> WebMD at http://www.webmd.com/content/article/95/103347.htm presents [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Cheers.....Heather >>Buying drugs across the border is perfectly safe.<< Yup.....but using your interpretation, perhaps we shouldn't buy any drugs at all from across our borders......aka the US of A. Give your head a shake. Do you really think Big Pharma is going to approve if you choose to buy your American-made Lipitor, Viagra, et al up here at a lower price than what they sell it to you for in the US?? No way, Jose. And if you buy that "authoritative debate", you have a serious problem. HF > Yup . . . everbuddy just throw out all the authoritative debate > altogether and take an individual's word for it: Buying drugs across [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> Cheers.....Heather >>> Buying drugs across the border is perfectly safe.<< > > Yup.....but using your interpretation, perhaps we shouldn't buy any > drugs at all from across our borders......aka the US of A. The issue is the real source, not the border. i.e., We have almost no way to determine the real source when it's "The Internet". > if you buy that "authoritative debate", you have a > serious problem. And what's wrong with a public debate between say, universities, hospitals, peer-recognized experts, sound studies, etc.? You'd prefer some dude's Internet pitch? I.P. >>>> Buying drugs across the border is perfectly safe.<< >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The issue is the real source, not the border. i.e., We have almost no > way to determine the real source when it's "The Internet". And as I have repeatedly pointed out to you, a lot of the so-called Canadian pharmacies are owned and operated by Americans. >> if you buy that "authoritative debate", you have a serious problem. > > And what's wrong with a public debate between say, universities, > hospitals, peer-recognized experts, sound studies, etc.? > > You'd prefer some dude's Internet pitch? Nope.....but why would I read them?? I don't need them. I am objecting to your use of US Gov't (FDA) links that state *our drugs* are unsafe. Just not true and they certainly have a vested interest in keeping Americans from buying prescription drugs here which are made in the US but due to our cap rate, are cheaper up here. Try using a more unbiased link. That one naming one website is hardly credible in the grand scheme of things. And we know (as do a lot of the border states) that our prescription drugs are perfectly fine. Border state people come up here to REAL pharmacies with REAL prescriptions and buy them for half what they pay in the US. And I do have some reservations about supplying people from other countries with our drugs. If there is a surplus, fine. If there isn't.....then don't. But Big Pharma made the HUGE ERROR of trying to threaten us by saying they would cut back on the drugs they sell us. They soon shut up on that score. Pfizer was the worst offender. Here are a couple of links wherein it states the US is relaxing the restrictions on Americans physically buying prescription drugs in Canada, as a for instance. http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7573/824-c?rss http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/09/21/canada-drugs.html?ref=rss But enough of this......we have done this dance before and it is a no-win situation. So case closed. HF > "I.P. Freely" wrote >>>>> Buying drugs across the border is perfectly safe.<< [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And as I have repeatedly pointed out to you, a lot of the so-called > Canadian pharmacies are owned and operated by Americans. Internet, Heather . . . I n t e r n e t >>> if you buy that "authoritative debate", you have a serious problem. >> And what's wrong with a public debate between say, universities, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Nope.....but why would I read them?? Uh, Heather, by "some dude's Internet pitch", I'm referring to *yours*. > I am objecting > to your use of US Gov't (FDA) links that state *our drugs* are unsafe. Which I balanced by emphasizing that the Canadian "FDA" says the same thing ours does. Sheesh . . . are our languages *that* different? > Just not true and they certainly have a vested interest in keeping > Americans from buying prescription drugs here which are made in the US > but due to our cap rate, are cheaper up here. That old myth? From Forbes magazine's Ira Carnahan: "[That myth] isn't so. Some high-profile drugs [e.g., Zocor] are cheaper in Canada, but 21 of 27 top-selling generics cost an average of 37% *more* (his emphasis) in Canada than in the U.S., according to a Canadian study, because there are only two Canadian generic drug makers because of Canadian government price controls. IOW, Because your gum'mint controls prices, you pay more for your generic drugs than you would in a free market, according to your own branded drug manufacturers. In yet other words, while the U.S. free market drives generic drug prices (which constitute half of the U.S. market) 74% below brand name drugs, the stifled Canadian system drive generic prices down only 38%. > Try using a more unbiased link. A. I offered your own government's opinion, which you're ignoring. B. Sorry, but my response addressed only complaints about Canadian prices because it was in response to Alan's comment: "I haven't heard of anyone complain of counterfeit drugs coming from Canada." I gather you feel any complaint about Canadian drug prices is biased? > That one naming one website is hardly > credible in the grand scheme of things. Alan's comment didn't beg a long list or both sides of the issue. If it's the grand scheme you're after, I suggest you reconsider your dismissal of open debate among authorities. Or would you prefer people accept some dude's Internet opinion because she said "case closed"? Isn't that what Algore says about global warming, for the same reason: to stifle factual debate? > we have done this dance before and it is a > no-win situation. No-win? Only if the facts are ignored. So case closed. No, *discussion* closed. You see, I don't care whether drugs cost more or less in Canada or the U.S. or Crapistan; my insurers are free to buy 'em wherever they can get 'em as long as they are the right drugs I.P. > And if you buy that "authoritative debate", you have a >serious problem. He has a serious problem. The good news, Heather, is that the political views of people like I.P. are FINALLY a minority in the USA. It took 6 years, but even middle America has finally figured out what the rest of the civilized world already knew: that chickhawks, tax evaders, and fundamentalist Christians are unable to govern and aren't looking out for anybody but themselves. My wife and I are heading up to Ottawa mid-June (to ride bikes, not to buy normally priced drugs) - passports ready! We know most Canadians are gracious and friendly hosts, and don't blame all of us Yanks for the blunders of the few. Cya! > The good news, Heather, is that the political views of people like > I.P. are FINALLY a minority in the USA. It took 6 years, but even > middle America has finally figured out what the rest of the civilized > world already knew: that chickhawks, tax evaders, and fundamentalist > Christians are unable to govern and aren't looking out for anybody but > themselves. A fundamentalist is one who believes in the basic and fundamental foundations of Christianity, e.g., God and family and prohibitions against murder, theft, adutery, perjury, etc. These 'fundamental' beliefs are the very essense of the people who founded America, made it great, and kept it great. These are also the essense of our constitution and the constitution of every state and the basis for all its and their laws. The occasional loss of these fundamental beliefs in government has been an abomination that we have always survived. But, I agree with you that it is becoming pervasive. If it does, your wish may be granted. If so, I will weep for my children and grandchildren. > "Doug Taylor" upchucked > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Christians are unable to govern and aren't looking out for anybody but >> themselves. As is so commonly seen, the left responds to rational, factual, referenced debate about easily researched drug costs with stupid, pointless, untrue, irrelevant ad hominem. I.P. >As is so commonly seen, the left responds to rational, factual, >referenced debate about easily researched drug costs with stupid, >pointless, untrue, irrelevant ad hominem. I learned my debating skills from such charm school graduates as Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly. P.S. How does it feel to be irrelevant again? Try http://www.XLPhamacy.com I have had good luck with them and price is right. jloomis > Has anyone had any success with offshore orders. > In other words an honest comany. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks for any information and help. > Ron http://www.xlpharmacy.com/ The above pharmacy is the one I have dealt with. Apparently the below web is a "lookalike?" Anyway.....good luck. I just did not like the idea of paying 119.00 for 8 tablets.........100mgs.....My Blue Cross would only pay for 4 pills. Brother....I would love to have a discussion with them over a thing or two! If I bought 50 mgs pills 8 would also cost 119.00 It is a scam I tell you. anyway, what can a guy with no prostate, and loss of 1/2 of the nerves to his unit do....... I tell you what he can do. Buy it from the online pharmacy @ 34 pills for 134.00 (100mgs) you can get about 3 doses per pill. Jloomis > Try http://www.XLPhamacy.com > I have had good luck with them and price is right. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Thanks for any information and help. >> Ron Thanks to all of you for your replies. > Has anyone had any success with offshore orders. > In other words an honest comany. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks for any information and help. > Ron I've also had success with http://overseasrxdrugs.com I buy generic plavix, metoprolol, crestor, finasteride and detrol LA from them. They (by all appearances, seem to) work the same as US drugs. I have confidence that the Indian products are as high quality as US drugs. The $ savings allows me to spend more $ on somewhat expensive over the counter cardio remedies, like pantethine, COQ10 and Vit K, and lots of over the counter arthritis remedies, like glucosamine, etc. I'm getting old (57) but I won't give up. Now if someone can tell me where to go to get my three or four severly degenerated lower cervical discs replaced with artificial ones (Bumrungrad in India???). > Has anyone had any success with offshore orders. > In other words an honest comany. Based on a recommendation from someone on another newsgroup, I placed an order two weeks ago with alldaychemist.com for 240 generic viagra pills for $128.40 plus $24.90 for shipping. The cloth bound box arrived from India via US Mail yesterday. I tried the first pill last night and I really think it works better than the real thing. Others have complained of more severe headaches and stuffiness. I do not suffer from these things with the real or generic stuff, but if you do, you may need to cut the pills. Even with whole pills, at 64 cents each, it's hard to beat (no pun intended, well sorta :) ). John
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