Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / May 2007
Blood work during RT, what does it mean, Worry?
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orchids58 - 19 May 2007 18:44 GMT Hi guys, I thought I would put a new post on this after all.
Ike got bloodwork done at his regular Dr. and this is what it showed. WBC 6.7 K/UL 4.1---10.9 RBC 5.6 M/UL 4.7--6.0 HGB 18.2 G/DL CRITCAL HIGH 13.5--18.0 HCT 53.9 % HIGH 42.0--52.0 MCH 32.4 PG HIGH 26.KK0--32.0 PLT 154.0 KK/UL 37.0--92.0 CO2 MMOL/L HIGH 23.0--29.0 TRIG 182 MG/DL HIGH 35--160
URINALYSIS BLOOD TRACE NEGATIVE
I looked it up under test, but not sure about its importance. Charlotte
Glassman@work - 19 May 2007 19:34 GMT > Hi guys, > I thought I would put a new post on this after all. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I looked it up under test, but not sure about its importance. > Charlotte Numbers aside, doesn't your doc discuss all this with him & you?
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orchids58 - 20 May 2007 05:51 GMT > > Hi guys, > > I thought I would put a new post on this after all. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > JK Sinrodwww.SinrodStudios.comwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.com Dear JK,
I know this is not the norm, but Ike goes to Doctor now, without me. The blood and urine test were done after office visit, May 15th and then mailed to him. A note on it said, " will review at next office visit ", 3 months down the road. Three months is a long time for me to wonder about this. I wanted to go with him Friday for his treatment , but he doesn't want to have any confrontation with anyone but me.
I asked him to take it with him to his Radiation treatment on Friday, let them make a copy, put it in his records and then bring the original back. I did get him to take it, and I hope he had them copy it into his records there. I think the radiation oncologist should know. They only weigh him once a week on Monday, ask how are you doing, but don't seem interested in what I ask or he tells them. I have to stay home for that reason. They always bring up the internet to me, like that was a deffinite no no.
I really must be missing something ! Charlotte
He doesn't like any questions about all this, and I upset him if I ask him questions, that I would certainly ask if it were me. He will have his 18th treatment Monday.
c palmer - 20 May 2007 07:25 GMT Hi guys, I thought I would put a new post on this after all. Ike got bloodwork done at his regular Dr. and this is what it showed. WBC 6.7 K/UL 4.1---10.9 RBC 5.6 M/UL 4.7--6.0 HGB 18.2 G/DL CRITCAL HIGH 13.5--18.0 HCT 53.9 % HIGH 42.0--52.0 MCH 32.4 PG HIGH 26.KK0--32.0 PLT 154.0 KK/UL 37.0--92.0 CO2 MMOL/L HIGH 23.0--29.0 TRIG 182 MG/DL HIGH 35--160 URINALYSIS BLOOD TRACE NEGATIVE I looked it up under test, but not sure about its importance. Charlotte
======> hi charlotte - after some research, i posted what is "normal', but if you read the write up, it explains what "normal" really is. hope this helps.
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Electrolytes: These are your potassium, sodium, chloride, and CO2 levels.
CO2 reflects the acid status of your blood. Low CO2 levels can be due to either to increased acidity from uncontrolled diabetes, kidney disease, metabolic disorders, or low CO2 can be due to chronic hyperventilation.
Triglyceride is fat in the blood which, if elevated, has been associated with heart disease, especially if over 500 mg. High triglycerides are also associated with pancreatitis. Triglyceride levels over 150 mg/dl may be associated with problems other than heart disease.
The hemoglobin is the amount of oxygen carrying protein contained within the red blood cells. The hematocrit is the percentage of the blood volume occupied by red blood cells. In most labs the Hgb is actually measured, while the Hct is computed using the RBC measurement and the MCV measurement. Thus purists prefer to use the Hgb measurement as more reliable. Low Hgb or Hct suggest an anemia. Anemia can be due to nutritional deficiencies, blood loss, destruction of blood cells internally, or failure to produce blood in the bone marrow. High Hgb can occur due to lung disease, living at high altitude, or excessive bone marrow production of blood cells.
Because most Blood test reference ranges (often referred to as 'normal' ranges of Blood test results) are typically defined as the range of values of the median 95% of the healthy population, it is unlikely that a given Blood sample, even from a healthy patient, will show "normal" values for every Blood test taken. Therefore, caution should be exercised to prevent overreaction to mild abnormalities without the interpretation of those tests by your examining physician. Again, a Blood test, though important, is only a part of the final diagnosis of a health problem.
No Blood test is completely accurate all of the time. Sometimes a test result is incorrectly abnormal in a person who does not have the suspected disease (a false-positive result). Sometimes a test result is incorrectly normal in a person who has the disease (a false-negative result). Tests are rated in terms of their sensitivity (the probability that their Blood testing results will be positive when a disease is present) and their specificity (the probability that their test results will be negative when a disease is not present). A very sensitive test is unlikely to miss the disease in people who have it, however, it may falsely indicate disease in healthy people. A very specific test is unlikely to indicate disease in healthy people. Although, it may miss the disease in some who have it. Problems with sensitivity and specificity can be largely overcome by using several different Blood tests.
Normal test result values are expressed as a reference range, which is based on the average values in a healthy population; 95% of healthy people have values within this range. These values vary somewhat among laboratories, due to methodology and even geography. Blood tests and Blood testing methods and quality vary widely in different parts of the world and in different parts of many countries, due to characteristics in the population, both racial Blood differences and ethnic Blood characteristics, among other factors.
American Blood laboratories use a different version of the metric system than does most of the rest of the world, which uses the Systeme Internationale (SI). In some cases translation between the two systems is easy, but the difference between the two is most pronounced in the measurement of chemical concentration. The American system generally uses mass per unit volume, while SI uses moles per unit volume. Since mass per mole varies with the molecular weight of the substance being analyzed, conversion between American and SI units requires many different conversion factors.
Keep in mind that there are three Blood test "normal ranges."
Normal Range Results The results of virtually all Blood tests ordered in North America are compared to "normal ranges" as provided on a "Lab Results Report." If your tests indicate that you are within the normal range, you are most often considered normal. A "normal" Blood test result does not necessarily mean that you are healthy. The problem with these lies in how "normal ranges" are determined at that particular Blood testing laboratory. Population Best/Optimum Ranges
In our opinion, every Blood test result must be compared to Blood test result scores other than the accepted lab "norms." Your potential statistical best possible Blood test ranges must be considered. These Blood test range "best" results should interpreted considering your physiology and unique biochemistry such as your height your weight, age, gender, health history since childhood. Further, the inter-relationship with your other blood test scores must be considered. One imbalance often causes another. Blood test range scores outside your unique Blood test range results can be affected by sleep, diet, exercise, medicines, and vitamin supplements. Your Personal Norms Your Blood test score, chronicled over time, will vary by few points, one way or the other. These Blood test results, considering sleep, diet, exercise, medicines, and vitamin supplements, etc. will most certainly vary. Each person on any given day has their own set of Blood test results.
Consider your gas mileage in your car. If reviewed over time, each time you fill up and record your gas mileage, it varies. The car is the same, the driver is the same, the gas is the same, but the mileage, from fill-up to fill-up varies. We recommend periodical Personal Blood Testing.
Your personal norms must be considered over time. Each individual has his or her own unique personal Blood test normal range, best for you. Remember, if you do not get Blood tests, and if you do not keep track of them, and if you do not have them available to your doctor, You will not know and can not use your normal Blood test range.
Reference Range (conventional units*) 17 Hydroxyprogesterone (Men)0.06-3.0 mg/L 17 Hydroxyprogesterone (Women) Follicular phase0.2-1.0 mg/ L25-hydroxyvitamin D (25(OH)D)8-80 ng/m LAcetoacetate<3 mg/dLAcidity (pH) 7.35 - 7.45 Alcohol 0 mg/dL (more than 0.1 mg/dL normally indicates intoxication) (ethanol) Ammonia 15 - 50 µg of nitrogen/dL Amylase 53 - 123 units/L Ascorbic Acid 0.4 - 1.5 mg/dL Bicarbonate 18 - 23 mEq/L (carbon dioxide content) Bilirubin Direct: up to 0.4 mg/dL Total: up to 1.0 mg/dL Blood Volume 8.5 - 9.1% of total body weight Calcium 8.5 - 10.5 mg/dL (normally slightly higher in children) Carbon Dioxide Pressure 35 - 45 mm Hg Carbon Monoxide Less than 5% of total hemoglobin CD4 Cell Count 500 - 1500 cells/µL Ceruloplasmin 15 - 60 mg/dL Chloride 98 - 106 mEq/LComplete Blood Cell Count (CBC) Tests include: hemoglobin, hematocrit, mean corpuscular hemoglobin, mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration, mean corpuscular volume, platelet count, white Blood cell count Copper Total: 70 - 150 µg/dL Creatine Kinase (CK or CPK) Male: 38 - 174 units/L Female: 96 - 140 units/L
Creatine Kinase Isoenzymes 5% MB or less Creatinine 0.6 - 1.2 mg/dL Electrolytes Test includes: calcium, chloride, magnesium, potassium, sodium
Erythrocyte Sedimentation Rate (ESR or Sed-Rate) Male: 1 - 13 mm/hr Female: 1 - 20 mm/hr Glucose Tested after fasting: 70 - 110 mg/dL Hematocrit Male: 45 - 62% Female: 37 - 48% Hemoglobin Male: 13 - 18 gm/dL Female: 12 - 16 gm/dL Iron 60 - 160 µg/dL (normally higher in males) Iron-binding Capacity 250 - 460 µg/dL Lactate (lactic acid) Venous: 4.5 - 19.8 mg/dL Arterial: 4.5 - 14.4 mg/dL Lactic Dehydrogenase 50 - 150 units/L Lead 40 µg/dL or less (normally much lower in children) Lipase 10 - 150 units/L Zinc B-Zn 70 - 102 µmol/L Lipids: Cholesterol Less than 225 mg/dL (for age 40-49 yr; increases with age) Triglycerides 10 - 29 years 53 - 104 mg/dL30 - 39 years 55 - 115 mg/dL40 - 49 years 66 - 139 mg/dL 50 - 59 years 75 - 163 mg/dL60 - 69 years 78 - 158 mg/dL > 70 years 83 - 141 mg/dL
Liver Function Tests Tests include bilirubin (total), phosphatase (alkaline), protein (total and albumin), transaminases (alanine and aspartate), prothrombin (PTT)
Magnesium 1.5 - 2.0 mEq/L Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin (MCH) 27 - 32 pg/cell Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration (MCHC)32 - 36% hemoglobin/cell Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV) 76 - 100 cu µm Osmolality 280 - 296 mOsm/kg water Oxygen Pressure 83 - 100 mm Hg Oxygen Saturation (arterial) 96 - 100%P hosphatase, Prostatic 0 - 3 units/dL (Bodansky units) (acid)
Phosphatase 50 - 160 units/L (normally higher in infants and adolescents) (alkaline)
Phosphorus 3.0 - 4.5 mg/dL (inorganic) Platelet Count 150,000 - 350,000/mLPotassium 3.5 - 5.0 mEq/L Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA) 0 - 4 ng/mL (likely higher with age) Proteins: Total 6.0 - 8.4 gm/dL Albumin 3.5 - 5.0 gm/dL Globulin 2.3 - 3.5 gm/dLProthrombin (PTT) 25 - 41 sec Pyruvic Acid 0.3 - 0.9 mg/dL Red Blood Cell Count (RBC) 4.2 - 6.9 million/µL/cu mm Sodium 135 - 145 mEq/L Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH) 0.5 - 6.0 µ units/mL Transaminase: Alanine (ALT) 1 - 21 units/L Aspartate (AST) 7 - 27 units/L Urea Nitrogen (BUN) 7 - 18 mg/dL BUN/Creatinine Ratio5 - 35 Uric Acid Male 2.1 to 8.5 mg/dL (likely higher with age)Female 2.0 to 7.0 mg/dL (likely higher with age) Vitamin A 30 - 65 µg/dL WBC (leukocyte count and white Blood cell count)4.3-10.8 × 103/mm3 White Blood Cell Count (WBC)4,300 - 10,800 cells/µL/cu mm
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Leonard Evens - 21 May 2007 00:14 GMT > Hi guys, > I thought I would put a new post on this after all. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > URINALYSIS > BLOOD TRACE NEGATIVE I am not a physician, but I did a google search on "medical tests XXX" with XXX the abbreviations above.
He apparently had a complete blood count plus a Carbon Dioxide measurement, a measurement of triglycerides , and a urinalysis. The results seem mostly to be either in the normal range or just slightly above it.
I don't know what "CRITICAL HIGH" means for the hemoglobin (HGB). It is barely above the normal range. Usually they are worried about it being too low, which would indicate anemia which may indicate a serious problem. Again let me emphasize that I'm not a physician, but I would be a bit surprised if they got too excited by those readings. But it is possible that there is something subtle that a good doctor might see in the total picture, so it is worth asking the doctor about it. One thing that can raise hemoglobin is smoking. Is he a smoker?
I don't understand the range for PLT which presumably means platelet count in thousands per mircroliter. The normal range I found is 150 to 450. It doesn't say the result is abnormal, so maybe there was a typo in the range.
It doesn't say what the CO2 is, so I can't tell whether it is so high it is likely to be significant. If it is just slightly high, it may mean not very much. If it is very high, it could indicate a serious problem.
The triglicerides are high, but that is not unusual. It reflects his diet and I think it can be affected by what he has been eating recently. I've had readings that high and no one thought it worth worrying about. But, that together with his blood fats, if they were tested, might suggest that he would be better off with a better diet. That could be helpful in the long term in avoiding heart disease or stroke.
Most of us assume that a doctor actually looks at the results before sending them to you. But often that is a mistaken assumption. So don't be self conscious about insisting on some sort of explanation.
> I looked it up under test, but not sure about its importance. > Charlotte I.P. Freely - 21 May 2007 01:13 GMT > The triglicerides are high, but that is not unusual. It reflects his > diet and I think it can be affected by what he has been eating recently. > I've had readings that high and no one thought it worth worrying > about. But, that together with his blood fats, if they were tested, > might suggest that he would be better off with a better diet. That > could be helpful in the long term in avoiding heart disease or stroke. There's strong indication that high triglycerides combined with low HDL is of greater concern than "high cholesterol", particularly at our age. The many ways to improve that balance include statins, fish oil, cutting back on excess carbs, and exercise.
I.P.
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