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apercu2@msn.com - 19 Mar 2007 16:20 GMT
You have to watch those metaphors so that you get the treatment and
the real science you need, and not let the metaphors that are not
helpful to you get in your way: you need to be practical and pragmatic
and down to earth serious. The metaphors can get in your way, even
vulgar ones, maybe especially vulgar ones?

Initially, I was only interested in not using metaphors such as "the
malpractice of profit gouging typical of American medicine" nor
"intuitive rather than evidence based highest possible prices of drugs
and medicine" in order to ameliorate my distain for the way health
services are enriched in America at everyone's expense-at least so
that I could get the treatment I need and find people to so provide me
with it.  However, I'm finding that the metaphors are more interesting
than that simple distinction most men commonly make between hospital
greed and patient's need.

Eventually, using me as an example, a patient faced with advanced
cancer will look to a way to control and manage the disease state.
"Control and manage" is suddenly a different perspective than "search
and destroy", as if in a military battle; as if the metaphors have
shifted from being militant to referencing the working mans type of
cancer which needs to be managed; not having accomplished the cure (if
your Gleason is more than >8, you'll likely find yourself with a
rising PSA two months after either the surgery or the radiation-so
maybe like me you don't even do it?).

Of course the "exercise and diet" perspective is part of the
"proactive healthy living" metaphor: this is seemingly another
important metaphor to understand and adopt. Almost complimentary to
the American "cancer battles," the practice of medicine as about
"being fit" to strengthen the health and happiness of the holistic
person, is surely a different metaphor-people come and go talking
about Michelangelo in the wasteland of meaningless modern lives.

I've also noticed that the military metaphor of fighting or battling
shifts to one of domestic police operations with attempts to
"handcuff" monoclonal antibodies or signal receptors or "arrest"
cancer cells 'growth regulators (Dr. Scardino's terms), and so forth.
Eventually the solution might be chemical "cocktails," as is more
common with breast cancer. I sort of like these party metaphors, don't
you? "Could we meet for cocktails?" I might say rather than: "Can I
make an appointment for a "salvage" operation?" (the garbage metaphor
used after the first surgery and/or radiation fails to cure sounds
especially disgusting). In the future, prostate cancer might even use
the "tea time" metaphor to explain what the French today call "an
extended illness", as they did recently with Baudrillard's death. We
might say: "jaakko had to go to "tea time" this year and was as such
even less available than usual." And people will say: "The lucky
stiff!" (wait a minute, maybe I didn't want to use that particular
metaphor ;)..
Steve Kramer - 19 Mar 2007 22:13 GMT
> You have to watch those metaphors so that you get the treatment and
> the real science you need, and not let the metaphors that are not
> helpful to you get in your way: you need to be practical and pragmatic
> and down to earth serious. The metaphors can get in your way, even
> vulgar ones, maybe especially vulgar ones?

If you dont' mind, I think I'll continue using a metaphor or two.

Non Illegitimi Carborundum
apercu2@msn.com - 19 Mar 2007 23:16 GMT
> <aper...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Non Illegitimi Carborundum

Is fine with me if you don't mind removing your head from your a.s. As
Bukowsky said: "A good poem is like a beer fart."
Steve Kramer - 20 Mar 2007 00:43 GMT
>> <aper...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Is fine with me if you don't mind removing your head from your a.s. As
> Bukowsky said: "A good poem is like a beer fart."

You can sure make a guy sorry that he erased his initial reply.

BTW, that's a simile, right?
Steve Jordan - 20 Mar 2007 00:50 GMT
On March 19, "apercu2", not caring to use its real name, replied to one
of our best:

> Is fine with me if you don't mind removing your head from your a.s. As
> Bukowsky said: "A good poem is like a beer fart."

And as Sun Tzu says,

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result
of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every
victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the
enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."

Goodbye, numbnuts.

Steve J

"I am under no obligation to respect your beliefs. Respect is earned; it
is not an entitlement..."
-- Lionel Shriver
Steve Kramer - 20 Mar 2007 01:05 GMT
> On March 19, "apercu2", not caring to use its real name, replied to one of
> our best:

> And as Sun Tzu says,
>
> Goodbye, numbnuts.

Well, I'll be.  I've always wondered from whence that expression came.
Heather - 20 Mar 2007 03:18 GMT
>> On March 19, "apercu2", not caring to use its real name, replied to
>> one of our best:
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> Well, I'll be.  I've always wondered from whence that expression came.
ROFL!!  And here I have been using it for decades.  Jordan and I must be
the same age....LOL.

Heather
c palmer - 20 Mar 2007 06:46 GMT
"numbnuts"

===> ain't that something happens to old men who are sitting them all
day long?  

or maybe it's how we feel about them after they are done working on us
here?

and yeah, i remember "numbnuts" as a kid even.

i also remember standing on the playground and one kid said to the
other, "hey, so and so...... you're a fruit"

(remember what it meant if you were called a fruit back then??)

anyway, the kid fired back his reply, "yeah, i'm a fruit....   peel me
and eat me"

only one tiny little problem.....

remember the movie "porky"????

and the gym teacher in that movie named buella ballbuster???

well, her look alike gym teacher was standing behind him.   it was not a
pretty scene after that....

ah..... memories from school......

now, if you really want a heated discussion.  try the word "cock".  

it depends on if you are from the north or south on that one......  it
sure makes for a lot of conversation when different guys from different
regions got together as in the military........

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as to "A good poem is like a beer fart."

i wonder if that was making reference to how a poem will "linger" in the
air and curl the paint on the walls????

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
 
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