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lalevesque@gmail.com - 18 Mar 2007 16:02 GMT
Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday.  Every Wednesday he
goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation.  It turns out
there are multiple spots on his tailbone.  He had an MRI done on
Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS!  Has anyone else had
their cancer spread to the bones?  After researching it, I guess its
pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer.
c palmer - 18 Mar 2007 20:36 GMT
From: lalevesque@gmail.com

Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday. Every Wednesday he goes
and meets with his oncologist after radiation. It turns out there are
multiple spots on his tailbone. He had an MRI done on Thursday and now
they are making us wait 2 WEEKS! Has anyone else had their cancer spread
to the bones? After researching it, I guess its pretty common for it to
spread there after prostate cancer.

===> this is a common site for the prostate cancer to spread.  the lower
back and hip area.   this is due to the location of the prostate inside
the body.

but it has mest. and has spread throughout his body and it is only a
matter of time before the pca cells set up shop some place else.

the hormone therapy will put them to sleep but only until he becomes
refractory.  in the meantime, it gives him both quality of life and
length of life.  he has many years left because of the HT.

as to waiting two weeks from an MRI.
that isn't bad. i've waited a lot longer both in getting the MRI done
and a lot longer in seeing the doctor to read the results of the MRI.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
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Steve Kramer - 18 Mar 2007 23:27 GMT
> Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday.  Every Wednesday he
> goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation.  It turns out
> there are multiple spots on his tailbone.  He had an MRI done on
> Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS!  Has anyone else had
> their cancer spread to the bones?  After researching it, I guess its
> pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer.

Most prostate cancer that is not cured goes next to the bones; usually the
vertebrae and/or pelvis.

When my father had the disease, the lucky ones are the few where it goes
straight to a vital organ like the brain.  However, now, there are many
palliative treatments that makes the process much more bearable.

I would imagine that the worst fear each of us has is not death, but bone
cancer.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  <.1  <.1  <.1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

MAS - 19 Mar 2007 05:33 GMT
Two mets in spine at T2 & L3 in April 2004. After chemo trial, mets gone in
January 2005. Still clear - only showing new bone growth. Next PSA in two
weeks; undetectable since May 2006. Next scan in three months.

Gourd Dancer
> Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday.  Every Wednesday he
> goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation.  It turns out
> there are multiple spots on his tailbone.  He had an MRI done on
> Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS!  Has anyone else had
> their cancer spread to the bones?  After researching it, I guess its
> pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer.
Just - 19 Mar 2007 14:57 GMT
>Two mets in spine at T2 & L3 in April 2004. After chemo trial, mets gone in
>January 2005. Still clear - only showing new bone growth. Next PSA in two
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> their cancer spread to the bones?  After researching it, I guess its
>> pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer.

Which chemo trial were you in?

Just
MAS - 19 Mar 2007 22:30 GMT
Just, here is an early Abstract on the study. So far the premise is true for
me. But my attitude is that it's a waiting game until a real cure is found.
My Medical Oncologist has dedicated 28 years in finding a cure. As soon as
my PSA exploded, with mets, I became a guinea pig.

Trial of Chemotherapy plus Hormonal Therapy as Initial Treatment for
Unresectable / Metastatic Adenocarcinoma of the Prostate

H. Henary, R.J. Amato; The Methodist Hospital/The Methodist Hospital
Research Institute/Genitourinary Program, Houston, TX

Background: Chemotherapy in a setting of hormone refractory prostate cancer
has shown palliative benefit especially with substantial PSA decline
strongly suggesting that disease modifying potential exists. Recently,
chemotherapy is beginning to show a survival advantage. The stage is set for
chemotherapy given earlier in a disease course. As a working hypothesis, we
suspect that the transformation from an androgen-dependent to an
androgen-independent phenotype is mediated by the expansion of an
androgen-independent clone already present at the time of androgen
deprivation. If this model is correct, then it would be desirable to bring
treatment to bear on the androgen-independent component when the
corresponding tumor burden is minimal. Thus, we view the
androgen-independent component as analogous to "microscopic residual" or
"micro-metastatic" disease for which adjuvant chemotherapy has shown to be
effective in other contexts.

Methods: Each course of chemotherapy lasts for 8 weeks. Patients were
treated in weeks 1, 3, and 5 with doxorubicin 20 mg/m2 as a 24-hour
intravenous infusion on the first day of every week in combination with
ketoconazole 400 mg orally 3 times a day daily for 7 days. In weeks 2, 4,
and 6, treatment consisted of paclitaxel 100 mg/m2 intravenously on the
first day of every week in combination with estramustine 280 mg orally 3
times a day for 7 days. After completion of 3 courses of chemotherapy,
hormone management [medical castration plus casodex (at the completion of
chemotherapy)] is initiated at the start of chemotherapy and for a total of
24 months.

Results: Nineteen men have been enrolled with a median age of 63 (48-76).
Fifty percent of the men had no prior local therapy, while the other 50%
either failed surgery, radiation therapy, or surgery plus radiation therapy.
Fifty-nine percent of the men had Gleason 7, 12%/8, 24%/9, and 5%/10.
Thirty-five patients presented with bone metastasis and 50% presented with
nodal involvement. The median PSA reduction to date has been 95.6%.

Conclusion: Enrollment is ongoing. Further information regarding PSA
response, associated radiographic response, and toxicity will be presented.

GD

>>Two mets in spine at T2 & L3 in April 2004. After chemo trial, mets gone
>>in
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Just
Alan Meyer - 20 Mar 2007 01:35 GMT
> Just, here is an early Abstract on the study. So far the premise is true for me. But my
> attitude is that it's a waiting game until a real cure is found. My Medical Oncologist
> has dedicated 28 years in finding a cure. As soon as my PSA exploded, with mets, I
> became a guinea pig.

GD,

I take it that you are still on the hormone therapy followup after
the chemotherapy, so it's difficult to tell yet how effective the
chemo was.

Do the docs plan to stop the HT after the 24 month period mentioned
in the trial abstract?  Do you know if they've done that for anyone
yet?  Are any results in?

Thanks.

   Alan
Alan Meyer - 19 Mar 2007 19:36 GMT
> Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday.  Every Wednesday he
> goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation.  It turns out
> there are multiple spots on his tailbone.  He had an MRI done on
> Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS!  Has anyone else had
> their cancer spread to the bones?  After researching it, I guess its
> pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer.

I don't know how old your Dad is, or the general state of
his health, but he might want to consider trials of new
treatments - if not now, then maybe start researching them
now so that, if and when his hormone therapy begins to
fail, he can try them.

I notice that MAS / Gourd Dancer has had very good luck
with his chemotherapy trial.

Best of luck.

   Alan
Jim - 21 Mar 2007 19:58 GMT
Hi
My PCa had reached my spine, ribs and hips by the time I was
diagnosed.  That was 24 months ago.
It is now all over my body, from the top of my head to my knees.  So
far it has not hit any organs and the doctor told me that it probably
won't.  
It will just continue to wear me down.  Outwardly, I appear fine.
Problem is that the cancer is eating from the inside.  
Unfortuately,  none of the treatments I've been given had any lasting
benefit.  The hormone therapy failed after six monthe.  It's been
known to work for years.  Taxotere worked fine but failed after 3
treatments.  3 other chemo treatments, including Provenge did nothing.
I'm now on hospice.  I don't know how much longer I have but I'm
getting weaker by the day.
My PSA went from 1386 to 3174 in 4 weeks.  It was obvious that the
cancer was totally out of control.  That is what prompted the move
to hospice.  I was in total agreement with the decision.  The doctor
said that part of his oath is "to do no harm".  He said that
continueing chemo would only cause harm and degrade my quality
of life.
All I can do now is enjoy each day I have.  I play with my grandsons
as well as I can.  They give me much joy.

Hopefully your dad will have better results than I've had.

Jim

>Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday.  Every Wednesday he
>goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation.  It turns out
>there are multiple spots on his tailbone.  He had an MRI done on
>Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS!  Has anyone else had
>their cancer spread to the bones?  After researching it, I guess its
>pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer.
Steve Jordan - 21 Mar 2007 20:17 GMT
> My PCa had reached my spine, ribs and hips by the time I was
> diagnosed.  That was 24 months ago.

(snip)

> My PSA went from 1386 to 3174 in 4 weeks.  It was obvious that the
> cancer was totally out of control.  That is what prompted the move
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> All I can do now is enjoy each day I have.  I play with my grandsons
> as well as I can.  They give me much joy.

I am grateful for this reminder that egos and flamewars and making
trivial points mean little in the context of what is confronting us.

All the best, brother.

Regards,

Steve J

Vive sencillamente. Ama generosamente.
Se preocupe de profundamente. Hable amablemente.
Deje el resto a Dios...

Live simply. Love generously.
Care deeply. Speak kindly.
Leave the rest to God..
-- Homer Thompson
Steve Kramer - 21 Mar 2007 21:56 GMT
> All I can do now is enjoy each day I have.  I play with my grandsons
> as well as I can.  They give me much joy.

Thanks for this, Jim.  You are giving us an insight that we rarely see.

My prayers to you and your family.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  <.1  <.1  <.1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

chasjac - 22 Mar 2007 15:39 GMT
Hello, Jim:

I wish more could be done.  But I'm glad that you have grandchildren
around.  The relationship that we have with our own grandparents, and
then the relationship that we have later on with our grandchildren,
should give to each of us a sense of a continuity to life that extends
well beyond our individual life spans.  That thought gives me a lot of
comfort, I hope it does to you also.

My family's prayers will be with you.

--charlie
Jim - 22 Mar 2007 23:08 GMT
Charlie
Thank you for the kind words.
I'm getting tremendous support from my sisters and children.
My wife has been a saint.  It's tough on her but she doesn' t
complain.
My grandsons are the extra.  The 3 year old knows that something is
not right.  I'm not the "pop pop" that he has known.  He doesn't know
what's happening.  The two young ones don't know any different.
My son's little boy is my best bud.  Where ever I'm at, he's there.
He loves to sit on my lap and have me play music on the computer.  He
is mesmerized by the graphics on the screen.  He'll start jumping to
the music if there is a powerful passage played.
When the little ones are here, nothing hurts.  They do tire me out,
but just about anything does that.

Jim

On 22 Mar 2007 07:39:38 -0700, "chasjac" <chjacobson@elmira.edu>
wrote:

>Hello, Jim:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>--charlie
c palmer - 22 Mar 2007 23:38 GMT
From: jimboq1@rcn.com (Jim)
Hi
My PCa had reached my spine, ribs and hips by the time I was diagnosed.
That was 24 months ago.
It is now all over my body, from the top of my head to my knees. So far
it has not hit any organs and the doctor told me that it probably won't.
It will just continue to wear me down. Outwardly, I appear fine. Problem
is that the cancer is eating from the inside. Unfortuately, none of the
treatments I've been given had any lasting benefit. The hormone therapy
failed after six monthe. It's been known to work for years. Taxotere
worked fine but failed after 3 treatments. 3 other chemo treatments,
including Provenge did nothing. I'm now on hospice. I don't know how
much longer I have but I'm getting weaker by the day.
My PSA went from 1386 to 3174 in 4 weeks. It was obvious that the cancer
was totally out of control. That is what prompted the move to hospice. I
was in total agreement with the decision. The doctor said that part of
his oath is "to do no harm". He said that continueing chemo would only
cause harm and degrade my quality of life.
All I can do now is enjoy each day I have. I play with my grandsons as
well as I can. They give me much joy.
Hopefully your dad will have better results than I've had.
Jim

====> hi jim - did you get my private email?

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
JoelTNowak@gmail.com - 23 Mar 2007 19:16 GMT
On Mar 18, 11:02 am, "laleves...@gmail.com" <laleves...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday.  Every Wednesday he
> goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation.  It turns out
> there are multiple spots on his tailbone.  He had an MRI done on
> Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS!  Has anyone else had
> their cancer spread to the bones?  After researching it, I guess its
> pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer.

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I.P. Freely - 23 Mar 2007 22:55 GMT
> On Mar 18, 11:02 am, "laleves...@gmail.com" <laleves...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> _http://health.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/advancedprostatecancer_
> (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/advancedprostatecancer)

Why not just join this group?

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NICK - 24 Mar 2007 05:22 GMT
> Why not just join this group?

(1) Not happy with the group, or 168 other prostate groups shown by
Google.

(2) Feeling of POWER, being moderator of a group.
 
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