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lalevesque@gmail.com - 18 Mar 2007 16:02 GMT Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday. Every Wednesday he goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation. It turns out there are multiple spots on his tailbone. He had an MRI done on Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS! Has anyone else had their cancer spread to the bones? After researching it, I guess its pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer.
c palmer - 18 Mar 2007 20:36 GMT From: lalevesque@gmail.com
Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday. Every Wednesday he goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation. It turns out there are multiple spots on his tailbone. He had an MRI done on Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS! Has anyone else had their cancer spread to the bones? After researching it, I guess its pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer.
===> this is a common site for the prostate cancer to spread. the lower back and hip area. this is due to the location of the prostate inside the body.
but it has mest. and has spread throughout his body and it is only a matter of time before the pca cells set up shop some place else.
the hormone therapy will put them to sleep but only until he becomes refractory. in the meantime, it gives him both quality of life and length of life. he has many years left because of the HT.
as to waiting two weeks from an MRI. that isn't bad. i've waited a lot longer both in getting the MRI done and a lot longer in seeing the doctor to read the results of the MRI.
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Steve Kramer - 18 Mar 2007 23:27 GMT > Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday. Every Wednesday he > goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation. It turns out > there are multiple spots on his tailbone. He had an MRI done on > Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS! Has anyone else had > their cancer spread to the bones? After researching it, I guess its > pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer. Most prostate cancer that is not cured goes next to the bones; usually the vertebrae and/or pelvis.
When my father had the disease, the lucky ones are the few where it goes straight to a vital organ like the brain. However, now, there are many palliative treatments that makes the process much more bearable.
I would imagine that the worst fear each of us has is not death, but bone cancer.
 Signature PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06, 6/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 Casodex added daily 07/06 PSA <0.04, <0.05 Non Illegitimi Carborundum
MAS - 19 Mar 2007 05:33 GMT Two mets in spine at T2 & L3 in April 2004. After chemo trial, mets gone in January 2005. Still clear - only showing new bone growth. Next PSA in two weeks; undetectable since May 2006. Next scan in three months.
Gourd Dancer
> Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday. Every Wednesday he > goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation. It turns out > there are multiple spots on his tailbone. He had an MRI done on > Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS! Has anyone else had > their cancer spread to the bones? After researching it, I guess its > pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer. Just - 19 Mar 2007 14:57 GMT >Two mets in spine at T2 & L3 in April 2004. After chemo trial, mets gone in >January 2005. Still clear - only showing new bone growth. Next PSA in two [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> their cancer spread to the bones? After researching it, I guess its >> pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer. Which chemo trial were you in?
Just
MAS - 19 Mar 2007 22:30 GMT Just, here is an early Abstract on the study. So far the premise is true for me. But my attitude is that it's a waiting game until a real cure is found. My Medical Oncologist has dedicated 28 years in finding a cure. As soon as my PSA exploded, with mets, I became a guinea pig.
Trial of Chemotherapy plus Hormonal Therapy as Initial Treatment for Unresectable / Metastatic Adenocarcinoma of the Prostate
H. Henary, R.J. Amato; The Methodist Hospital/The Methodist Hospital Research Institute/Genitourinary Program, Houston, TX
Background: Chemotherapy in a setting of hormone refractory prostate cancer has shown palliative benefit especially with substantial PSA decline strongly suggesting that disease modifying potential exists. Recently, chemotherapy is beginning to show a survival advantage. The stage is set for chemotherapy given earlier in a disease course. As a working hypothesis, we suspect that the transformation from an androgen-dependent to an androgen-independent phenotype is mediated by the expansion of an androgen-independent clone already present at the time of androgen deprivation. If this model is correct, then it would be desirable to bring treatment to bear on the androgen-independent component when the corresponding tumor burden is minimal. Thus, we view the androgen-independent component as analogous to "microscopic residual" or "micro-metastatic" disease for which adjuvant chemotherapy has shown to be effective in other contexts.
Methods: Each course of chemotherapy lasts for 8 weeks. Patients were treated in weeks 1, 3, and 5 with doxorubicin 20 mg/m2 as a 24-hour intravenous infusion on the first day of every week in combination with ketoconazole 400 mg orally 3 times a day daily for 7 days. In weeks 2, 4, and 6, treatment consisted of paclitaxel 100 mg/m2 intravenously on the first day of every week in combination with estramustine 280 mg orally 3 times a day for 7 days. After completion of 3 courses of chemotherapy, hormone management [medical castration plus casodex (at the completion of chemotherapy)] is initiated at the start of chemotherapy and for a total of 24 months.
Results: Nineteen men have been enrolled with a median age of 63 (48-76). Fifty percent of the men had no prior local therapy, while the other 50% either failed surgery, radiation therapy, or surgery plus radiation therapy. Fifty-nine percent of the men had Gleason 7, 12%/8, 24%/9, and 5%/10. Thirty-five patients presented with bone metastasis and 50% presented with nodal involvement. The median PSA reduction to date has been 95.6%.
Conclusion: Enrollment is ongoing. Further information regarding PSA response, associated radiographic response, and toxicity will be presented.
GD
>>Two mets in spine at T2 & L3 in April 2004. After chemo trial, mets gone >>in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Just Alan Meyer - 20 Mar 2007 01:35 GMT > Just, here is an early Abstract on the study. So far the premise is true for me. But my > attitude is that it's a waiting game until a real cure is found. My Medical Oncologist > has dedicated 28 years in finding a cure. As soon as my PSA exploded, with mets, I > became a guinea pig. GD,
I take it that you are still on the hormone therapy followup after the chemotherapy, so it's difficult to tell yet how effective the chemo was.
Do the docs plan to stop the HT after the 24 month period mentioned in the trial abstract? Do you know if they've done that for anyone yet? Are any results in?
Thanks.
Alan
Alan Meyer - 19 Mar 2007 19:36 GMT > Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday. Every Wednesday he > goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation. It turns out > there are multiple spots on his tailbone. He had an MRI done on > Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS! Has anyone else had > their cancer spread to the bones? After researching it, I guess its > pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer. I don't know how old your Dad is, or the general state of his health, but he might want to consider trials of new treatments - if not now, then maybe start researching them now so that, if and when his hormone therapy begins to fail, he can try them.
I notice that MAS / Gourd Dancer has had very good luck with his chemotherapy trial.
Best of luck.
Alan
Jim - 21 Mar 2007 19:58 GMT Hi My PCa had reached my spine, ribs and hips by the time I was diagnosed. That was 24 months ago. It is now all over my body, from the top of my head to my knees. So far it has not hit any organs and the doctor told me that it probably won't. It will just continue to wear me down. Outwardly, I appear fine. Problem is that the cancer is eating from the inside. Unfortuately, none of the treatments I've been given had any lasting benefit. The hormone therapy failed after six monthe. It's been known to work for years. Taxotere worked fine but failed after 3 treatments. 3 other chemo treatments, including Provenge did nothing. I'm now on hospice. I don't know how much longer I have but I'm getting weaker by the day. My PSA went from 1386 to 3174 in 4 weeks. It was obvious that the cancer was totally out of control. That is what prompted the move to hospice. I was in total agreement with the decision. The doctor said that part of his oath is "to do no harm". He said that continueing chemo would only cause harm and degrade my quality of life. All I can do now is enjoy each day I have. I play with my grandsons as well as I can. They give me much joy.
Hopefully your dad will have better results than I've had.
Jim
>Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday. Every Wednesday he >goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation. It turns out >there are multiple spots on his tailbone. He had an MRI done on >Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS! Has anyone else had >their cancer spread to the bones? After researching it, I guess its >pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer. Steve Jordan - 21 Mar 2007 20:17 GMT > My PCa had reached my spine, ribs and hips by the time I was > diagnosed. That was 24 months ago. (snip)
> My PSA went from 1386 to 3174 in 4 weeks. It was obvious that the > cancer was totally out of control. That is what prompted the move [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > All I can do now is enjoy each day I have. I play with my grandsons > as well as I can. They give me much joy. I am grateful for this reminder that egos and flamewars and making trivial points mean little in the context of what is confronting us.
All the best, brother.
Regards,
Steve J
Vive sencillamente. Ama generosamente. Se preocupe de profundamente. Hable amablemente. Deje el resto a Dios...
Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.. -- Homer Thompson
Steve Kramer - 21 Mar 2007 21:56 GMT > All I can do now is enjoy each day I have. I play with my grandsons > as well as I can. They give me much joy. Thanks for this, Jim. You are giving us an insight that we rarely see.
My prayers to you and your family.
 Signature PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06, 6/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 Casodex added daily 07/06 PSA <0.04, <0.05 Non Illegitimi Carborundum
chasjac - 22 Mar 2007 15:39 GMT Hello, Jim:
I wish more could be done. But I'm glad that you have grandchildren around. The relationship that we have with our own grandparents, and then the relationship that we have later on with our grandchildren, should give to each of us a sense of a continuity to life that extends well beyond our individual life spans. That thought gives me a lot of comfort, I hope it does to you also.
My family's prayers will be with you.
--charlie
Jim - 22 Mar 2007 23:08 GMT Charlie Thank you for the kind words. I'm getting tremendous support from my sisters and children. My wife has been a saint. It's tough on her but she doesn' t complain. My grandsons are the extra. The 3 year old knows that something is not right. I'm not the "pop pop" that he has known. He doesn't know what's happening. The two young ones don't know any different. My son's little boy is my best bud. Where ever I'm at, he's there. He loves to sit on my lap and have me play music on the computer. He is mesmerized by the graphics on the screen. He'll start jumping to the music if there is a powerful passage played. When the little ones are here, nothing hurts. They do tire me out, but just about anything does that.
Jim
On 22 Mar 2007 07:39:38 -0700, "chasjac" <chjacobson@elmira.edu> wrote:
>Hello, Jim: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >--charlie c palmer - 22 Mar 2007 23:38 GMT From: jimboq1@rcn.com (Jim) Hi My PCa had reached my spine, ribs and hips by the time I was diagnosed. That was 24 months ago. It is now all over my body, from the top of my head to my knees. So far it has not hit any organs and the doctor told me that it probably won't. It will just continue to wear me down. Outwardly, I appear fine. Problem is that the cancer is eating from the inside. Unfortuately, none of the treatments I've been given had any lasting benefit. The hormone therapy failed after six monthe. It's been known to work for years. Taxotere worked fine but failed after 3 treatments. 3 other chemo treatments, including Provenge did nothing. I'm now on hospice. I don't know how much longer I have but I'm getting weaker by the day. My PSA went from 1386 to 3174 in 4 weeks. It was obvious that the cancer was totally out of control. That is what prompted the move to hospice. I was in total agreement with the decision. The doctor said that part of his oath is "to do no harm". He said that continueing chemo would only cause harm and degrade my quality of life. All I can do now is enjoy each day I have. I play with my grandsons as well as I can. They give me much joy. Hopefully your dad will have better results than I've had. Jim
====> hi jim - did you get my private email?
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
JoelTNowak@gmail.com - 23 Mar 2007 19:16 GMT On Mar 18, 11:02 am, "laleves...@gmail.com" <laleves...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well...my dad finished radiation on Wednesday. Every Wednesday he > goes and meets with his oncologist after radiation. It turns out > there are multiple spots on his tailbone. He had an MRI done on > Thursday and now they are making us wait 2 WEEKS! Has anyone else had > their cancer spread to the bones? After researching it, I guess its > pretty common for it to spread there after prostate cancer. _http://health.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/advancedprostatecancer_ (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/advancedprostatecancer)
Our nonprofit, Malecare, has started a new online support group, "Advanced Prostate Cancer " which we hope will be a dynamic supplement to groups like the PPML. Male and female, gay and straight, are all welcome. The group will focus entirely on issues generated by men diagnosed with advanced or recurrent/reoccurring prostate cancer. Moderated by Joel who's story begins with: Dx 8-01, Gleason 4+3, lap RP 10-01, T2bN0Mx 12-05 - PSA to 87.7 with doubling time of >4 months 1-06- ADT2 1-07 IADT Please subscribe at: _http://health.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/advancedprostatecancer_ (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/advancedprostatecancer)
I.P. Freely - 23 Mar 2007 22:55 GMT > On Mar 18, 11:02 am, "laleves...@gmail.com" <laleves...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > _http://health.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/advancedprostatecancer_ > (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/advancedprostatecancer) Why not just join this group?
I.P.
NICK - 24 Mar 2007 05:22 GMT > Why not just join this group? (1) Not happy with the group, or 168 other prostate groups shown by Google.
(2) Feeling of POWER, being moderator of a group.
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