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silver bullet OR snake oil?

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Clarence Crow - 13 Mar 2007 22:27 GMT
Being a bit desperate, I phoned these people on a toll-free line
yesterday:

http://ami.sashau.com.au/prostate-health/

Whilst talking to the "healer/doc", I mentioned that his company had
been 'rolled' a couple of times by the ACCC, but he didn't break
stride on the spiel.

I've no idea what the "Prostate Elixir" costs as he excused himself
from the call in a couple of minutes, due to another 'patient' call.

Incidentally, this is a Subsidiary of a US Company, plus they have
product approval from our TGA (sim FDA) - go figger.

Any group members had exposure to them?

-Please reply to group as my email addr is fake!

-Regards CC
kh - 14 Mar 2007 01:50 GMT
> Being a bit desperate, I phoned these people on a toll-free line
> yesterday:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> -Regards CC

Is it related to Zyflamend?   What about activated hexose-containing
compound (AHCC - Shiitake)?

Seems to be a bunch of mythology growing up.

-kh
J - 14 Mar 2007 09:49 GMT
> Being a bit desperate, I phoned these people on a toll-free line
> yesterday:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Any group members had exposure to them?

No. But it looks to me that he's not a doc.
Looks to me that the ACCC is claiming misleading information.
And there's objections to the target audience
And he's rolling in dough from all his advertising.
And he's making a compound or having someone compound from commonly
available (but not necessarily approved in AU) products?
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/020902_s3.htm
<http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Love-is-the-drug/2005/02/07/1107625131844.html>

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/88038/fromItemId/378014
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/585915/fromItemId/684968

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/ami.htm (names him/them a quack)
J - 14 Mar 2007 17:27 GMT
> Being a bit desperate, I phoned these people on a toll-free line
> yesterday:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> -Regards CC

More:
http://www.australiandoctor.com.au/news/50/0c028e50.asp
Impotence clinics boss in more trouble
The claims centre around AMI?s IntraGlans Gel ? originally represented as
easy to use, effective within 10 minutes and having no general side
effects.

According to an ACCC statement, both AMI and Mr Vaisman, a gynaecologist
with a PhD in medical science, have allegedly said

Other impotency treatments offered by Mr Vaisman?s clinics have included a
nasal spray and lozenges containing apomorphine and phentolamine.

http://www.aar.com.au/pubs/bio/fohfeb04.htm
n the last edition of Focus Health November 2003 we looked at the ACCC's
vigilance in relation to the health care sector and outlined the
associated legal considerations in the promotion of services by health
care providers. The proceedings recently brought by the ACCC against
Advanced Medical Institute (AMI) and its Managing Director, Mr Jacov
Weisman, serve as a reminder of the importance of ensuring that
representations about services, experience and qualifications are
objective, honest and accurate. In that case, the ACCC alleged that AMI's
promotion of various impotency treatments was misleading or deceptive. The
advertisements related to the suitability and effectiveness of the
treatments and the nature of the services provided by AMI. The case and
its outcome are discussed in a recent ACCC media release.1
The representations

According to the ACCC, AMI's promotional contained the following
representations:
The proceedings recently brought by the ACCC against Advanced Medical
Institute (AMI) and its Managing Director, Mr Jacov Weisman, serve as a
reminder of the importance of ensuring that representations about
services, experience and qualifications are objective, honest and
accurate. I
   * guaranteed results (although treatments for impotence and erectile
dysfunction are not always successful);
   * needle-free treatment (although AMI regularly prescribed
self-injection treatments);
   * suitability for men of all ages with almost any kind of medical
condition (although successful treatment is less likely for older men and
men with diseases such as diabetes);
   * that all doctors had six years experience in sexual medicine
(although many of AMI's doctors did not);
   * that all doctors were supervised by a particular consulting
urologist (although most were not supervised by him);
   * full refunds would be provided if the treatment was ineffective
(although refunds were not paid to all patients who requested refunds
after unsuccessful treatment);
   * that treatment of 12 months duration was most likely to lead to a
cure (although expert evidence suggested that this was no more likely to
be beneficial than programs of a shorter duration);
   * easy and convenient treatment which would act in 5 to 10 minutes
(although the treatment was not always easy to use and was not as swift as
claimed);
   * no side effects (although the IntraGlans Gel has a range of
potential side effects).

The consequences for AMI and its managing director.....

So one's a gynecologist and one's a urologist?

One of the other pages I posted said that he was dispensing a medicine
usually given for Parkinson's (see below) and I don't know the ingredients
of intraglans.

Phentolamine for erectile dysfunction
There is limited information about the oral or intracavernosal use of
phentolamine, alone or in combination with intracavernosal papaverine. ...

www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/SexHlth/Phento.html

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/phentol.htm
Phentolamine Mesylate for Injection USP, is an antihypertensive, available
in vials for intravenous and intramuscular administration. Each vial
contains phentolamine mesylate USP, 5 mg and mannitol USP, 25 mg in
sterile, lyophilized form.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/metoclo.htm
Apokyn   Generic Name:  Apomorphine  Interactions:
Drug Class:  PARKINSON'S DISEASE

IGG Pharma Malaysia's IntraGlans Gel

I'm not advocating any of this. There is a compounding pharmacy in the US.

If you're from AU might be some there as well. Your doctor would have to
write up the prescription.
J
Clarence Crow - 14 Mar 2007 20:45 GMT
<snip>

>More:
<snip a whole lot of research on AMI re ED issues>

My MAIN concern is NOT ED but the fact that they're expanding into
Prostate areas (amongst others.)

Their US parent company's shares are not doing so well ATM either.

Agreed this guy is a quack of devious means by getting approved drugs
compounded into his own non-approved formulations.

I didn't buy LOL

-Please reply to group as my email addr is fake!

-Regards CC
 
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