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unbelievable - is this how we care for our vets with pca???

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c palmer - 24 Feb 2007 08:53 GMT
Retired sailor sues Navy over blocked urethra

By Chris Amos - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Feb 23, 2007 15:53:48 EST

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A retired petty officer sued the Navy for $2 million Feb. 15, claiming
that a botched surgery at Naval Medical Center Portsmouth, Va., left his
urethra blocked by fecal matter for several months, causing internal
injuries that left him unable to work and bound to a wheelchair, and
eventually caused him to lose his home of 18 years.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Norfolk, Va., was only
necessary, said Robert Peters, 61, because Navy officials refused to
offer a settlement to a claim he filed with Navy lawyers a year ago.

"I want people out there to know what's happened to me," said Peters,
who said he struggled for months deciding whether he should file the
claim.
His two sons, both Marines who served in Operation Desert Storm,
convinced him that he should.

"I want people to know what they've done. I endured pain I never felt in
my life. I would have killed myself if I could have got a gun.

"I was in Vietnam and Desert Storm and this is bull----," said Peters, a
Navy radar specialist who served 24 years before retiring in 1993. "I
have to wear [adult diapers] all the time. ... I leak a lot. I have to
change them twice a day."
Peters filed his original claim Jan. 31, 2006, according to Dan Fields,
head of the Navy's tort claims branch.

Peters' Virginia Beach, Va.-based lawyer, Jim St. Clair, said federal
law requires that plaintiffs give the federal government six months to
resolve a medical malpractice claim before filing a lawsuit in federal
court.

Government lawyers contacted St. Clair six months after the claim was
filed to request an extension. Four months after that, St. Clair said,
Navy lawyers, saying the claim was in the final stages of investigation,
contacted him to ask for a second extension, this time for 30 days.
Peters agreed to both extensions but he said his patience has since run
out.
Bill Sexton, a federal government lawyer who is involved with Peters'
case, said he was not at liberty to discuss its specifics. But he did
say the case was still in the investigative stages.

"For us to settle a case in six months that happened three years ago
would be next to impossible," Fields said.
Peters was not moved.

"What do they need to investigate? Urine was coming out of my rectum,"
he said.
YEARS OF HARDSHIP

Peters' problems began three years ago, when he was diagnosed with
prostate cancer after a routine medical exam.
Several weeks later, he underwent an operation at the Veterans Affairs
hospital in Durham, N.C., to cure the cancer. Afterward, he went to his
son's Jacksonville, Fla., home to recuperate. While there, he began
having trouble urinating.

He went to a nearby civilian hospital and was told that scar tissue was
blocking his urethra — something that happens after about 4 percent of
prostate surgeries, according to information provided by the University
of Pittsburgh Cancer Center. Doctors inserted a catheter and told him he
should have the scar tissue surgically removed as soon as possible.

While in Jacksonville, he got even more disturbing news — VA doctors
called him to tell him that his prostate cancer had spread to his
bladder. He would need radiation treatments.

Peters traveled to Virginia to visit a friend for a weekend. After the
visit, he planned to return to North Carolina to begin his bladder
cancer treatments.

While he was in Virginia, he went to Naval Hospital Portsmouth for help
because he found that changing his own catheter was too painful. It was
a decision Peters would soon regret.

"I went to visit for a couple of days and wound up being there for two
years," he said.

Navy surgeons were able to quickly schedule him for surgery to remove
the scar tissue, but while using a laser to remove the scar tissue, they
mistakenly severed Peters' urethra and burned a hole in his colon in the
process, he said.
Deborah Kallgren, spokeswoman for Naval Medical Center Portsmouth,
declined to comment on the case because it is under investigation.

Peters identified the lead surgeon as Lt. Cmdr. Prodromos Borboroglu.
Jacky Fisher, another spokeswoman at Naval Hospital Portsmouth, said
Navy lawyers would not allow Borboroglu to be interviewed.

Peters said his medical problems began hours after that surgery.
Small bits of matter began to clog his catheter when he attempted to
urinate. Every couple of days, he had to have the catheter removed and
cleaned.

For six months, Peters returned every few days to Portsmouth to have his
catheter replaced. On at least four occasions, when the pain was too
intense to drive to Portsmouth, he went to a closer civilian hospital in
Chesapeake, Va. Doctors there told him repeatedly that he had fecal
matter in his urine.

Peters said you didn't need a medical degree to know that.

"It was brown and it smelled like [feces]," he said.

But Navy doctors, ranking as high as captain, told him over the course
of more than 20 visits that the substance was blood, not feces.

His son said he always doubted that.
"There's no way that is blood," Bobby Peters said he told his father.
"It needs to be checked out. They said it was dried blood, but you knew
it was something else. It was a while before somebody looked and figured
out that he had a hole in [his colon]."

One night, excruciating pain dogged him to the emergency room of a
Chesapeake civilian hospital, where doctors told him the matter clogging
his catheter was feces.

Peters was taken by ambulance back to Naval Medical Center Portsmouth.
He was hospitalized for two weeks and given a regimen of antibiotics. On
the day he left the hospital, his discharge papers noted a brown
substance was still present in his urine, he said.

This continued for another six months until another problem surfaced.
Now he had stopped urinating altogether; urine was coming out of his
rectum.

So Peters went to a civilian urologist, Dr. Gerald Jordan; Jordan
immediately diagnosed a severed urethra but sent him to another civilian
urologist for a second opinion.

The second doctor made the same diagnosis and told Peters he would need
surgery to fix the problem.
Jordan was unavailable for comment Feb. 21.

Before Peters could have the surgery, he had to have a colostomy bag, to
collect his feces, and a superpubic tube, to collect his urine,
inserted. He had to keep them in for six months to allow his body to
heal enough to tolerate the operation.
But six months turned to 12 as his body developed infection after
infection, he said.

During this time, Peters said, he could not get out of bed and had to
hire a nurse to care for him.

Finally, he underwent a 12-hour operation at a Norfolk civilian hospital
to repair the damage to his urethra and colon, and several weeks later,
two more operations to remove the colostomy bag and the superpubic tube.

Those were followed by four more operations to remove stones from his
urethra, which came from foreign matter that got into his bladder
through the superpubic tube.

Even after the infections stopped, Peters said, the tube left him with a
quarter-inch hole in his stomach that will never close.
His son cared for him for several months between operations.

"It was pretty tough," said Bobby Peters. "He had two [colostomy and
urine] bags. He was in a lot of pain all the time. I remember thinking
that if that was me, I wouldn't want to go through something like that."

For two years, Peters said, he was unable to work or pay his civilian
medical bills, which eventually added up to more than $500,000. He lost
his home to foreclosure and now lives in a trailer near Marine Corps Air
Station Cherry Point, N.C.
"I used to have good credit," he said. "I can't buy a pack of cigarettes
on credit now."

St. Clair said Peters could have sued for more money in neighboring
states, but he said Virginia law limited recovery for medical
malpractice lawsuits to $1.7 million.

Navy documents released to Navy Times in 2006 show that 30 claims were
filed against Portsmouth between 1999 and 2006. Of those, five were for
wrongful death.

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
I.P. Freely - 24 Feb 2007 18:33 GMT
> Retired sailor sues Navy over blocked urethra

> For two years, Peters said, he was unable to work or pay his civilian
> medical bills, which eventually added up to more than $500,000. He lost
> his home to foreclosure

What a horror story . . . and a good reason not to use any old gum'mint
doc for serious care (there are some excellent ones, but for prostate
surgery, I'd want someone who's making more money or with truly
outstanding credentials. But where are Tricare and the VA in all this?
Why is this costing the sailor money?

I.P.
chasjac - 26 Feb 2007 20:22 GMT
A couple of my students here are vets, both with various medical
issues -- one is pregnant, and the other has recurring foot problems
related to injuries she received while in Iraq.  They've talked to me
about the hassles they encounter when trying to get proper care.  It
angers me that we don't treat our soldiers better generally.

But this story is awful, on a par with the worst mightmares I've had
about potential outcomes from PCa treatments -- I'm guessing we've all
feared the things Robert Peters is enduring.

I wonder if letters to our reps and senators might help him out?

--charlie
Beverley - 01 Mar 2007 03:46 GMT
This is interesting as I live in this area and know St Clair's sister, etc.
It's also

First no VET can get into Portsmouth Naval Hosp. It is for active duty
personal only. vets have to go to Hampton Virginia  to the V A hospital
there. I also know that Portsmouth Naval Hosp is one the top military
hospitals in the USA

I'm not very trusting of Chesapeake General Hosp but I won't go into detail.
Norfolk Sentara is exactly where you want to be if it is life or death!

Note the botched surgery is coming out of Durham NC

Most hospitals have wrongful death claims against them but they never get
very far in court.

So did this guy start out as active duty and retire during this whole thing?
Tri-care should be handling his med payments to civilian hosps. Something
isn't floating.
Bev

Retired sailor sues Navy over blocked urethra

By Chris Amos - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Feb 23, 2007 15:53:48 EST

--------

A retired petty officer sued the Navy for $2 million Feb. 15, claiming
that a botched surgery at Naval Medical Center Portsmouth, Va., left his
urethra blocked by fecal matter for several months, causing internal
injuries that left him unable to work and bound to a wheelchair, and
eventually caused him to lose his home of 18 years.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Norfolk, Va., was only
necessary, said Robert Peters, 61, because Navy officials refused to
offer a settlement to a claim he filed with Navy lawyers a year ago.
c palmer - 01 Mar 2007 05:35 GMT
This is interesting as I live in this area and know St Clair's sister,
etc. It's also
First no VET can get into Portsmouth Naval Hosp. It is for active duty
personal only. vets have to go to Hampton Virginia to the V A hospital
there. I also know that Portsmouth Naval Hosp is one the top military
hospitals in the USA

I'm not very trusting of Chesapeake General Hosp but I won't go into
detail. Norfolk Sentara is exactly where you want to be if it is life or
death!
Note the botched surgery is coming out of Durham NC
Most hospitals have wrongful death claims against them but they never
get very far in court.

So did this guy start out as active duty and retire during this whole
thing? Tri-care should be handling his med payments to civilian hosps.
Something isn't floating.

Bev

====> hi bev - i know what you mean.  

the article said that he retired after serving 24 years.   i'm going out
on a limb and saying that there not quite telling all of the truth.  he
probably put some of his time in the reserves and didn't get his
tri-care benefits until age 60.   since all of this happen before he was
60, he may not have had tri-care coverage.   that's just a guess.

if that is the case, then the care he got from the military hospital was
free because it was covered because he was agent orange active, but when
he went to the civilian hospitals, then the expense would be out of his
pocket.

as to the care at portsmouth hospital....

i use to live in norfolk too and our first son was born at portsmouth
naval hospital.  i remember that we had to ride the elevator up with two
cockroaches climbing on the elevator walls to the delivery floor.
during the delivery,  i also know that they dropped the scalpel on the
floor and the nurse picked it up and gave it back to the doctor when the
episiotomy was done and betty had gangrene set in the following week in
the episiotomy itself.  when she went back for treatment - they lanced
the infection without any kind of anesthesia.   and this is just what
happen to my family that i personally know of when i lived there.  i can
only imagine what has happened since.

i'm sure that the gov't would say that none of this existed or happen if
i was to push it, just like it took 2 years of fighting with them before
they said i was ever in vietnam - right?

now, let's move to other things.  today, the local news said that
because the vets are not getting good treatment here, that we are going
to get a new building that is three times larger.  

there is a vacant hospital in this city that shut down last year and the
gov't said that it doesn't know if they will use a building that is
built for medical care or build a new structure.

now let's go deeper into this situation.  

people may not know this, but of all the VFW's in the united states,
VFW post 1114 has or had the largest membership for decades.  i do not
know if it is right now.  but what i find interesting is that there is
only about 300,000 in this city and when one considers the population of
new york or L.A, or atlanta, or chicago,  surely, there should be VFWs
with more membership.  i don't have answer for that one.

but this is not the only VFW post in this city.   we have 3 VFW posts in
this city.  that's a lot of vets.  

and yet,  they send us over to the next state for any kind of treatment
because all they can do locally is just routine check ups.   go figure.

and i bet that what i've said here isn't an isolated case.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
T. J. Away - 01 Mar 2007 07:29 GMT
Anybody else getting the feeling that this all just one "This Ain't No
sh.t" sea story after another?
I.P. Freely - 02 Mar 2007 05:06 GMT
> Anybody else getting the feeling that this all just one "This Ain't No
> sh.t" sea story after another?

Not when you consider the 200,000 people killed every year in the U.S.
by avoidable medical error.

I.P.
callalily - 02 Mar 2007 16:01 GMT
Hello,

Today's lead story in NYT:  "General is Fired over Conditions at
Walter Reed".  I'm sure everybody has heard about this by now?  They
have had a series all week on MSNBC.  What caught my attn:  The Wash.
Post had written about this 2 years ago, in a "series of disclosures
published prominently".
I.P. Freely - 03 Mar 2007 06:49 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Post had written about this 2 years ago, in a "series of disclosures
> published prominently".

The general who was fired this week has been at Walter Reed for 6
months. I'm guessing he inherited the problems, but has done little if
anything to correct them.

I.P.
c palmer - 03 Mar 2007 07:41 GMT
From: fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow (I.P. Freely)
callalily wrote:
Hello,

Today's lead story in NYT: "General is Fired over Conditions at Walter
Reed". I'm sure everybody has heard about this by now? They have had a
series all week on MSNBC. What caught my attn: The Wash. Post had
written about this 2 years ago, in a "series of disclosures published
prominently".

The general who was fired this week has been at Walter Reed for 6
months. I'm guessing he inherited the problems, but has done little if
anything to correct them.
I.P.  

====> hi I.P. - they replaced the fired general you spoke of with the
one who was there until 6 months ago. then, somebody actually got a
brain fart and figured out that the problems had to develop before the
latest general was fired, and now, they have relieved the second general
from walter reed.  

they are now admitting that this problem was brought to light well over
2 years ago and nobody acted on it.  so, who knows what it going to
happen from here.

and here's another news flash about how well we treat our vets....

check out the ktla news on 03-01-07.

a national guardsman had served in the iraqi war, and came back to the
states.  remember when the national guard was called in to patrol the
border to mexico?  well, after he served on that tour, he decided to
join the border patrol after being trained by them.  but no deal.  it
seems that he had a couple of misdemeanors with the law back in 1985 and
that he wasn't good enough for the border patrol.   so, what's going to
happen to him?   he is going back to iraq for an 18 tour of duty.  

he's good enough to fight for our country but not good enough to serve
inside our country.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Beverley - 01 Mar 2007 13:15 GMT
That old hospital is gone! They built a new one , I think they finished it
about 15 years ago. The prettiest buildings do not guarantee the best care
but Portsmouth Naval does have a good reputation. But you've got to be
active duty or a dependent. So it's Active duty or DEARS (or is it DEERS)
(dependents). Tri-Care is what they call insurance on retired personal
including their dependents they are no longer allowed to use active duty
hospitals. Langley AF and Ft Eustis (Peninsula) both have small hospital
facilities sp all Southside goes to Portsmouth Naval and even some Peninsula
residents.

That means nothing to anyone unless you were stationed in the area, but this
area is a big metropolis made up of quite a few cities split in half by
water.
c palmer - 01 Mar 2007 09:04 GMT
here's the news article on how the vets are being treated in my area....

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New Clinic for Veterans Coming to Evansville

Address:http://www.abc25.com/Global/story.asp?S=6158552

-------

New Clinic for Veterans Coming to Evansville
story by: Emily Zander

EVANSVILLE - A spokeswoman from the VA hospital in Marion, Illinois
tells NEWS 25 a decision just came down Wednesday. She says a state
of the art facility is what Tri-State veterans need and deserve.

It's a clinic veterans advocates have called sub-par. Even Evansville
Mayor Jonathan Weinzapfel has spoken out about the local need for better
veteran care.

The current VA clinic is on Walnut Street in downtown Evansville. It's a
facility many have said cannot provide the proper care for veterans and
does not have the staff to do so. That's all about to change.

"That will be a state-of-the-art facility that's three times larger than
the clinic now," Becca Shinneman said. 

After talking with Shinneman from the VA on the phone we took the
news to Mayor Weinzapfel.

"I'm glad they're working on this finally. We've had discussions in this
community for almost two years about the importance of a new or expanded
VA clinic," he said. 

And Weinzapfel told NEWS 25 the former Welborn Hospital in downtown
Evansville is the perfect place.
"It's a modern facility that's just begging for the VA to come in and
utilize it. It just makes so much sense. I just hope the federal
government can see itself clear to come to that conclusion also," said
Weinzapfel.

Whether the new clinic will be housed in an existing building like
Welborn or a brand new location, Shinneman wouldn't say, only that more
details will be coming soon.

Shinneman told NEWS 25 the next step in the process is conducting
building and parking assessments and determining just what this facility
needs to best serve veterans in the Tri-State.

She told us within the next two months ads for locations and bids will
be taken. She couldn't tell me how much this facility will cost. We'll
continue to watch for more developments and let you know what's
happening with the new clinic.

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
 
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