This has been prompted by what I have knowledge of.
I may be ENTIRELY wrong in many of my assumptions. Please - correct them -
but NOT necessarily in the Group. I would prefer email.
What I'm seeking - is some affirmation that I'm on the right road.
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Got a shock when all my nice formatting went up the chimney!

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Suggested foods and Menus that may help in Prostate Cancer

Introduction.
           I decided to compile these menus in the hope that they might be
of some dietary help for men suffering from Prostate Cancer, more especially
for those men whose Cancer has Metastised to other parts of their bodies.
Prostate Cancer impacts on Family life more than other forms, as one of the
first treatments is to stop the Testicles from making Testosterone - which
feeds the Cancer cells. Without Testosterone however, libido and sex life
are very much affected.
In some - if not many or most cases, sexual relations just stop for at least
a protracted period of time. The hormones stopping Testosterone being made
have other effects much less desirable - at an extreme - Husband and wife
becoming simple caring housemates and this at times leading to breakdown of
the relationship. With most couples though, there is more than enough Love
to keep it all together.  It is Guys living alone and without support who
may get more from this.  However, it's meant to help everyone. I trust it
will.
I am not able or qualified to make comment on the side-effects of Treatments
and Hormones - apart from saying that in my own case, it has been described
to feeling like an extreme case of the Female Menopause. Hot flushes and
temper-tantrums, mood-swings and sulks being the least of it to date.
This will kept as free from jargon as possible and there will be few - if
any - references in the text although there will be a selective list of
references and a further reading list in the appendices.

1.    Many people simply get stuck trying to envision healthy and helpful
foods and meals beyond a limited knowledge or from reading recipes in
magazines.
2.    Lots of guys lose their appetite after diagnosis. Food doesn't seem to
matter to them as much as it did a day or so ago.
3.    Some get bored TRYING and give up - go back to their old styles of
eating.
4.    Some don't EVEN try and stay stuck in their old eating habits until it's
rather late in the day for anything to help meaningfully.
5.    Some have no knowledge and many don't have the skills so they again -
don't even try.
6.    Some are determined that they are not going to change
7.    Some just don't know how to make the effort
8.    Some are just not interested.  They have given up.  There are other
reasons too.  Some people think it might be too expensive.

These are NOT reasons to NOT at least TRY to change things if even a little
for the better. There are extensive essays to be found by very highly
qualified people, some of them Urology specialist Doctors and Oncologists
specialising in Prostate Cancer, some food scientists and one who is even a
Food Writer for a famous Food Magazine and a National Newspaper.  From these
Essays and from proven research, it is suggested that certain foods from
many sources may have some very important benefits to impart for guys with
Prostate Cancer.  I have made it a point of trying at least - to treat my
Cancer in a complimentary way to help medicines and more conventional
therapies such as Radiotherapy and Chemotherapy.
No-one has ANY idea whether any of these dietary measures WILL help in
Prostate Cancer, for nothing is beyond a doubt, proven.  However - we DO
know that changes in the diet that are for the better - generally do have at
least SOME impacts, especially on general health.  Much research has gone
into many specific foods and how they are cooked. Most of that research DOES
show that including more of some foods and cutting down others CAN have
benefits in Prostate Cancer.
Because I suffer not just from Cancer, but from Coronary Heart Disease and
Diabetes too - I am a T2 - I have tried to make the suggested meals as
friendly as possible for myself - and who knows - there may very well be
someone else out there with multiple diseases too whom this will all help.
I MUST point out that I know nothing whatever about Kidney Disease and must
exclude from this work, any recommendations for anyone on a Low-Potassium
diet.
In any case, before even thinking about eating anything that's in here -
please ask first the advice of your GP Doctor and he may - if you prompt
him - have you referred to a qualified dietician.  Before this is published
in any way or let loose on an unsuspecting public, it will be read over by
Dieticians specialising in each of the three diseases which I have.  They
will correct errors and omissions, but well aware of their zealousness - I
will allow those with a pinch of salt.

A VERY Brief explanation of Angiogenesis - what it is and what it does -in
Layman's terms.

Angiogenesis, is the natural process that all the cells in our bodies use to
grow new blood vessels.
Cancer cells also use this process to grow new blood vessels - and ONLY in
our Cancer cells - do we want that to stop.
When we discover something that helps to stop Angiogenesis in Cancer cells -
we call these "Angiogenesis Inhibitors"
When we discover something that helps Angiogenesis to happen - we try to
avoid that - 'something' getting into our bodies.
Almost all cells in our bodies do at some time get worn out and they do a
remarkable thing - they 'commit suicide'
That suicidal property is called "Apoptosis"
Unfortunately, Cancer Cells do not want to commit suicide, in fact Cancer
Cells don't know what to do with themselves,
so they just keep getting bigger and try to spread. THAT is the nature of
Cancer Cells and we have to try to arrest that by
finding some way to MAKE them subject to Apoptosis - and die.

·        In Prostate Cancer - the Cancer Cells are nourished by one of the
very Hormones that make us be physically Male - Testosterone, manufactured
mainly in our Testicles since the time of Puberty.
·        The use of other Hormones by way of Tablets, Injections or a
combination of them, send messages to the Pituitary gland in our Brain that
tells the Testicles to stop making Testosterone.
·        When the Prostate Cancer Cells stop being fed, they do what we do
when we stop being fed.  They stop growing - at least as fast as they
normally would - but they don't die. They have to be encouraged or taught
how to die by that process called Apoptosis.
·        There are, apart from certain medicines and medical procedures,
some foods that are thought from long investigation, to encourage this
process - Apoptosis. So, perhaps we should try to eat more of those foods.
·        There are a number of foods and substances in foods that actively
encourage Cancer Cells to grow, that help to feed them, even with or without
the presence of Testosterone. These are loosely termed as
"Angiogenesis-Activators"
·        Obviously - we should try to make our intake of foods that
encourage Angiogenesis, as low as possible and to make inclusions in our
diet of foods that might be Angiogenesis-Inhibitors as much as we can.

Finally in this section, I think the reader may think that although there is
no definite One Million Percent Proof that FOOD will help at all, that we
SHOULD nevertheless try to PREVENT Angiogenesis in Prostate Cancer Cells by
making selective choices in our diet -  and use diet too - to encourage
anything that MIGHT starve our Prostate Cancer Cells and encourage them to
commit suicide - that process called - Apoptosis.

So - What foods to cut down - or avoid - and why?

There is a substance called Omega-6 fatty acids found in many common foods,
most especially in Red Meats and Dairy Produce and to a lesser extent in
Normal Chicken and Duck Eggs. (In other Eggs too, but which are not in the
'normal' Scottish diet, such as Goose, Ostrich, Penguin etc.)
It's also found but to a (Not much) lesser extent in most Poultry that's
common to the Scottish diet - Chicken, Turkey, Duck, Goose, Guinea Fowl,
etc. It's less common (in the diet of some islanders who STILL like to
include) certain sea-birds and their eggs (as part of their diet.)
When Omega 6 Fatty Acids are eaten, they become a source in the body of both
Linoleic and Arachidonic Acids (among many others) and these are
unfortunately Angiogenesis activators - they encourage Angiogenesis - a VERY
bad thing for us guys with Prostate Cancer.
Dairy foods are brimming with Omega-6.
Pork has a lower Omega-6 content than most other meats from what we'll call
"4Legs & a Face"
The message is - stop eating as much from "4Legs & a Face" but IF you MUST
eat Animal Meat - use MORE from "Two Wings and a Face"  There is absolutely
NO restrictions on FISH - Especially  OILY FISH, like Salmon (NOT Farmed
Salmon - eat ONLY the WILD kind) Fresh Tuna, Sardines - both fresh and
canned - Herrings - Kippers - Bloaters - Mackerel - Pilchards - Sild - so
many more.
BUT - try to avoid Shellfish. Seafood is OK though. Squids and Octopus are
fine. Most Oriental seafood I have already looked at seem fine.

More on "How-To" - later.

So - what else about this Omega-6 stuff?

·        All forms of BEEF, LAMB, VEAL, ALL Furred Game and to a lesser
extent Feathered Game, need to be severely restricted. I know that an awful
lot of Scottish Men would find it difficult to completely cut out "Mince &
Tatties" - I'm NOT saying cut it out - just have it a lot less often, but
more on that later.
·        ALL DAIRY produce needs to be severely restricted. No more BUTTER,
as little CHEESE as possible - and most obviously - MILK consumption has to
be reduced as far as possible. Many Margarines are based on Dairy products
as part of their essential recipes - so be careful to read labels.
·        Switch to using either - or both - Oat Milk or a Soya Milk in place
of Animal Milks. The two best Oat Milks I have found - neither of which are
of the slightest use in tea or coffee - are - 1) "Oat Supreme" - sold in
Morrison Supermarkets. 2) "Oatley" seems only to be sold in Sainsbury. Both
are equally nice as a drink, but are best used for making 'smoothies', - as
savoury sauces for poached fish or as-is on cereals for breakfast.  Soya
Milks, the two best tasting - 1) is "So-Good" which has a superior if
slightly sweet flavour but only available in the chill cabinet. Among the
UHT Soya's, the best tasted is Morisson's own brand Unsweetened Soya Milk.
Not with the usual aftertaste at all.   I can NOT recommend ANY Rice Milks,
but someone might like to check some out. I tasted five and they were all
pretty awful.
·        CHEESE: - I have only tried two Non-Dairy Cheeses.  One purported
as being a non-dairy cheddar and was made from Soya. Called "Tofutti" it was
pretty horrible. These were cheese slices - akin to Kraft Slices. I tasted
the slices on their own - but they might be quite nice in a salad sandwich?
The Rice Cheese was again in slices - this one called "Rice Slices" as a
Mozzarella Type and at £2.19 for 8 slices - acceptable only as an occasional
treat as a substitute cheese for a Pizza-Type - it DOES taste like
Pizza-type Mozzarella   (More on this cheese later)
·        BUTTER - you really MUST eat as little as possible now. Occasional
treats are fine - once a week. Otherwise, find yourself a spread that has NO
Dairy products in the recipe. I made the mistake of buying a famous
margarine that WAS Dairy-Free, but the newest advice is to AVOID all spreads
made with SUNFLOWER OIL - because in a study - Guys with recurrent Cancer -
had been eating Margarines made from Sunflower Oils. The recurrences put
down by some VERY experienced Chemistry oriented Pathologists specialising
in Prostate Cancer - to - consumption of margarines containing Sunflower
Oil. This is ESPECIALLY now true for Prostate Cancer patients - who SHOULD
realise that the likes of a recently widely promoted Margarine that lowers
cholesterol - COULD kill them.
·        Sunflower Oil itself -  The "Saviour of Mankind" is a HUGE supplier
to the body of Alpha-Linoleic and Arachidonic Acids. THAT fact, is largely
ignored and disputed by dieticians of ALL persuasions. It is ALMOST - I
repeat - ALMOST - OK for use by VERY healthy people. MOST people are NOT
that healthy. Especially in Scotland.  So - restrict it's use even MORE than
Butter.
·        DON'T use Sunflower Oil - nor ANY other kind of Oil for deep
frying, unless you dispose of that oil after a single use.
·        Margarines and spreads made from OLIVE OIL - BUT which must contain
NO Trans-Fatty acids are your ideal spread. A reasonable one, is called
"Bertolli Spread" but it lacks taste. (I had to whip an amount of sea-salt
into it to make it acceptable - else it was very 'lardy' tasting and not
very nice.
·        DEEP FRYING - Many years ago in Sardinia, I first tasted "Potato
Chips" (In the US - French Fries) fried in Olive Oil. They were supremely
tasty -but the flavour, I later discovered, was down entirely to them being
fried very slowly from COLD until they were really golden and crispy. The
Oil was NEVER allowed to get to be very hot - if the oil got HOT - it
altered the flavour of the oil. So ALL my deep-frying now - when - and IF I
do it, is in Olive Oil.
·        OLIVE OIL - is almost UNIQUE - it has NO Omega-6 Oils.
·        Olive Oil - is expensive. But you CAN afford it. Think about the
cost if you DON'T.

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