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That BBC Link about Chillies and PC

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Hugh Kearnley - 30 Jan 2007 10:30 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4805190.stm
rosbif - 30 Jan 2007 11:30 GMT
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4805190.stm

Hugh, do you happen to know if there is a direct relationship between
heat (spice/burning heat) and capsaicin content?  Is it as simple as
heat=capsaicin, or is capsaicin a non-heat ingredient?

When I lived in London, by far the hottest chilies available were
those imported by Thai food wholesalers, about 1 inch long or less.
Vicious.

Did you eat your quota of haggis last week?
Hugh Kearnley - 30 Jan 2007 14:54 GMT
> Hugh, do you happen to know if there is a direct relationship between
> heat (spice/burning heat) and capsaicin content?  Is it as simple as
> heat=capsaicin, or is capsaicin a non-heat ingredient?

Seems that there is one. The amount of Capsaicin in Chillies, is measure in
"Scoville" units
The higher the Capsaicin content - the hotter. It's explained far better if
you follow this link - DO explore the whole site - they even have a shop
that sells Chili chewing gum and Chili Jelly Beans! - I Buy my chili seeds
for growing plants from them. Growing your own is SO Easy. The link is:
http://www.chillisgalore.co.uk/pages/chilli_facts.html

> When I lived in London, by far the hottest chilies available were
> those imported by Thai food wholesalers, about 1 inch long or less.
> Vicious.

In Glasgow - SAFEWAY Supermarket when they still existed, sold Scotch Bonnet
Chilis. I thought I was dying the first time I tried one.

> Did you eat your quota of haggis last week?

MORE than enough - a REAL Haggii on the night itself with two samples of
different Veggie types earlier and later!
rosbif - 30 Jan 2007 15:37 GMT
>> When I lived in London, by far the hottest chilies available were
>> those imported by Thai food wholesalers, about 1 inch long or less.
>> Vicious.
>
>In Glasgow - SAFEWAY Supermarket when they still existed, sold Scotch Bonnet
>Chilis. I thought I was dying the first time I tried one.

I can't top that.  The thai ones merely cause a bout of involuntary
screaming followed by 48 hour sphincter burn.  Delicious.

>> Did you eat your quota of haggis last week?
>
>MORE than enough - a REAL Haggii on the night itself with two samples of
>different Veggie types earlier and later!

Lady R returned from a visiting a friend in Sth Lanarks. last year
with a pair from a local butcher - excellent.  Sainsbury's this year -
hopeless.  Would you recommend the veg type?  The flavour must surely
be a distant cousin?
Hugh Kearnley - 30 Jan 2007 20:57 GMT
Both the Veggie types were OK once you had a dram, but re-tasting the
leftovers next day - One from "Peckham & Rye" was like eating congealed
Plastic. The other one was made by a previously unheard of firm - "Anderson
of Stirling" and it really wasn't bad. Not greasy, the oatmeal really well
toasted and LOADS of rosemary, pepper and chillies, but neither tasted like
Mutton or Lamb. Best in Glasgow are made by my own Butcher in Anniesland -
Andrew Gillespie. He uses Wether Muttons -absolutely the best. In fact, he
supplied the Old Queen Mum with his Muttons.

> Lady R returned from a visiting a friend in Sth Lanarks. last year
> with a pair from a local butcher - excellent.  Sainsbury's this year -
> hopeless.  Would you recommend the veg type?  The flavour must surely
> be a distant cousin?
rosbif - 31 Jan 2007 09:20 GMT
> Best in Glasgow are made by my own Butcher in Anniesland -
>Andrew Gillespie. He uses Wether Muttons -absolutely the best. In fact, he
>supplied the Old Queen Mum with his Muttons.

Very tempting - I'll make a note of his name.
cmdrdata - 30 Jan 2007 13:18 GMT
On Jan 30, 4:30 am, "Hugh Kearnley" <hughkearn...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4805190.stm

I think the author of this report needs to follow up by getting stats
from regions in countries where consumption of any kind of peppers is
high. Do people in certain regions of Mexico, Thailand, China and
others have less PCa? I have personally consume much more "hot sauces"
and spicy foods than the average American, and yet the beast roared
within, for now.
Hugh Kearnley - 30 Jan 2007 15:00 GMT
I'll certainly look into that. There do SEEM to be pointers to suggest a
correlation between a reduced risk of PCa and ethnic groups who include Soya
and Chillies in the diet.
I'm always looking for more information about food in any case. So, I'll
spend a while looking to see if I can find anything pertinent.
Your comment about eating lots of "hot sauces" - I just wonder if cooking
might in some way affect the chemistry - ergo - effects on the body, of
Capsaicin. Something to think about and look into.

> On Jan 30, 4:30 am, "Hugh Kearnley" <hughkearn...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> and spicy foods than the average American, and yet the beast roared
> within, for now.
I.P. Freely - 30 Jan 2007 17:42 GMT
I lived in the U. S. state famed for its unique Mexican cooking, so
dependent on chile peppers that many locals won't even stoop to eat
"Mexican" cooking when on travel outside the state. They put locally
grown, fresh, roasted chiles in almost anything, from eggs to grits to
ice cream to jelly. Its state vegetable is the chile, and its state
question is "red or green?" (Google it!) -- the first thing any waitress
asks when we order a Mexican food meal there, referring, of course, to
one's preference for red or green "chile sauce" ladled over so many
dishes there. Newbies get soaked in sweat eating in restaurants there,
and keep coming back like cats licking cat food off a 9V battery's twin
terminals.

The state is New Mexico, and its cancer incidence for All Races
(includes Hispanic), Both Sexes, All Cancer Sites, and All Ages is
reported by the NCI as --  ta daaa -- *the* lowest in the nation,
according to the NCI.

OTOH . . . I lived in the area for decades, ate chiles up to jalapeno
level like popcorn and *hot* salsa by the cupful a few days a week, and
still came down with two unrelated cancers, prostate and carcinoid
colon. Go figure.

Albuquerque has an annual fiery foods show that fills a large coliseum,
with scores, maybe hundreds, of booths waiting to impress you. Some aim
for flavor, others compete for heat by seeing how far they can take the
Scoville count by condensing habanero peppers. One vendor was banned
after patrons required medical care, as I almost did, for real. Why?
Because we had dipped the tip of a toothpick into the sauce, shaken it
clean, and touched our tongues to it. No joke.

Instead of mainstream tx? No way. But maybe there's something to it, I
can think of no food component tastier than green chiles, and they're
exceedingly healthy food by many measures.

I.P.

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