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Hugh Kearnley - 29 Jan 2007 13:29 GMT
Another one...

As MUCH of (All Raw) Broccoli Florets, Cauliflower Florets and halved
Brussels Sprouts as you like.
Some Crushed Garlic.
A smallish Onion, sliced along the grain - that is - from root to tip.
Some Sliced Chillies. - You know how many you like!
Some sliced Bell peppers.
Perhaps some sliced courgette - in the USA - Zucchini.
5 Fluid Ounces (1/4 Pint) Good (Heinz) Tomato Ketchup. (Or more - to your
taste)
2 Fluid Ounces (or More to your taste) Vinegar - I just use whatever kind is
handy.
10 Fluid Ounces Fresh Orange Juice
A small can Pineapple chunks in Syrup - use the syrup.

Put EVERYTHING into a saucepan and bring to a gentle simmer.
Cook two minutes only for Crunch - 5 Minutes for softer.
Sweeten to taste with sugar or Granulated sweetener such as Splenda but
nothing with Aspartame.
Thicken lightly with Cornflour (Cornstarch) or Arrowroot made into a thin
cream with water.
Toss in some large dice of fresh tomato.
Garnish with shredded spring onion or scallions.

That's it Vegetarian - ready to be served with Rice, Noodles or Chips
(French Fries)
If you like - add some strips or cubes of pre-cooked Chicken, Pork, Goose,
Duck, Ostrich.. (Kidding!)
ALWAYS Re-heat Cooked meats - ESPECIALLY Chicken and Turkey right through.
Still want it Veggie but with something extra - try Quorn Pieces.
If you want it MORE tomatoey - add a tablespoon of Puree at the start of
cooking.
AND - a BIG glass of Pomegranate Juice to wash it all down.
I.P. Freely - 29 Jan 2007 20:55 GMT
> Sweeten to taste with sugar or Granulated sweetener such as Splenda but
> nothing with Aspartame.

Uh, oh. I hope that's a heat survival issue rather than a safety issue.
Back when I was putting 10-15 packets of Aspartame on my daily bowl of
cereal (I make do with 2-4 packets now in an effort to suppress my
appetite for sweets), my research indicated Aspartame is safe. Most of
the websites that condemned it tended to also promote aluminium foil
hats. Have you found reputable information that Aspartame isn't safe
(for those without PKU)?

I.P.
Hugh Kearnley - 29 Jan 2007 21:24 GMT
When aspartame is exposed to heat (As in cooking) it breaks down into
metabolites. One of these breakdown products is Diketopiperazine, a toxic
metabolite that is not usually found in our diet.
There isn't enough known to say one way or the other whether it IS harmful,
but it's a risk I'll try to avoid, which is why I use "Splenda" or any other
sweetener that IS made from "sugar" in any dish where it's exposed to heat.
However sweeteners with Aspartame are quite safe to use (As far as I'm
aware) in cold applications. So, carry on sprinkling it on cereal, I.P.

>> Sweeten to taste with sugar or Granulated sweetener such as Splenda but
>> nothing with Aspartame.
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>
> I.P.
I.P. Freely - 29 Jan 2007 23:30 GMT
> When aspartame is exposed to heat (As in cooking) it breaks down into
> metabolites. One of these breakdown products is Diketopiperazine, a toxic
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> However sweeteners with Aspartame are quite safe to use (As far as I'm
> aware) in cold applications. So, carry on sprinkling it on cereal, I.P.

Great!
And thanks . . . I *hate* it when someone bakes my bowl of Wheaties,
walnuts, fruit, and milk anyway.

I.P.
doglover@nightowl.net - 29 Jan 2007 22:05 GMT
OMG,  you folks certainly need to do some more research concerning
Aspartame. Right now, there's a bill up for banning it in New Mexico.
We have been trying to get it banned here for over 15 years and one
day it will happen. There is certainly information about it concerning
the PKU, because it's clearly labled on most drinks or gums or
whatever, that this isn't safe if you have PKU. It isn't safe for
anyone, but especially  for those with PKU.  The absolute worst thing
you can do, is believe our government about anything, especially
Aspartame. I am living testimony for what it did to  me.  In fact,
those of you who believe it's safe if not heated, it's even more toxic
over 86 degrees but toxic in any form, and I don't know what your body
temp is, but mine is 98.6.  I also use the little packets to kill
ants!

Sue

> > Sweeten to taste with sugar or Granulated sweetener such as Splenda but
> > nothing withAspartame.Uh, oh. I hope that's a heat survival issue rather than a safety issue.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I.P.
I.P. Freely - 29 Jan 2007 23:48 GMT
> OMG,  you folks certainly need to do some more research concerning
> Aspartame. Right now, there's a bill up for banning it in New Mexico.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> temp is, but mine is 98.6.  I also use the little packets to kill
> ants!

Sue, please cite some references, as even after cutting down my
Aspartame use, I'm constantly looking for proof it's not safe. Key word:
"proof". We've all seen the websites that claim Aspartame (and milk, and
tap water, and carbohydrates, and #2 pencils, and liberals, and
conservatives, etc.) will dissolve our bodies into putrid gelatin and
change the earth's orbit overnight, but what *proof* can you refer us
to? I don't find it very sweet, so when I use it, I use a lot.

But *puhleeze* don't use legislation as proof of anything, because we
all know politicians can't even spell s-i-y-e-e-n-s, and you know New
Mexico's pols are about as bad as it gets this side of Washington, DC,
with the possible exception of Louisiana. (OT side note: Utah's
legislature tried to ban Daylight Savings Time, citing their claim that
cows give less milk on DST.)

The PKU warning has been on Aspartame's label since Dia Uno.

I.P.
cognite tute - 30 Jan 2007 15:16 GMT
> OMG,  you folks certainly need to do some more research concerning
> Aspartame. Right now, there's a bill up for banning it in New Mexico.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>>
>>I.P.

If you have PKU, you know it.  It is diagnosed immediately after birth.
  since it wiil result in mental retardation and/or death in infants.

The diet restrictions are severe, and have to be monitored constantly.

Althought Wikipedia may not be the best source, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy

As to the formation of dkp in your body, the chemical bonds between the
peptides in aspartame are immediately broken in your digestive system,
ie the thermal breakdown of aspartame is precluded by its digestion.

j.

BTW  I use aspartame, I believe it is safer than sacharine, one of the
weakest carcinogens known to man.

j.
I.P. Freely - 30 Jan 2007 17:55 GMT
> As to the formation of dkp in your body, the chemical bonds between the
> peptides in aspartame are immediately broken in your digestive system,
> ie the thermal breakdown of aspartame is precluded by its digestion.

Still true, d'ya think, for those of us on PPIs (Omeprazole, in my case)
for GERD, who thus have little stomach acid?

I.P.
cognite tute - 07 Feb 2007 20:10 GMT
>> As to the formation of dkp in your body, the chemical bonds between
>> the peptides in aspartame are immediately broken in your digestive
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I.P.

Basically aspartame is a protein, the reason it tastes sweet is due to
it being able to fit into the sugar receptor sites on your tongue.

The amount used in diet drinks is in the milligram range.

The amount of protein in your diet is many orders of magnitude larger.

not a problem.

j.
 
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