Dear All,
I'm glad Nick brought up this important topic.
I find the bribery of doctors to be one of the most disgusting
practices that our society tolerates. In fact, I feel so strongly
about this issue that I've amassed a collection of drug-company
memorabilia? -- i.e., stuff that's given out free to docs. For me, this
is a sort of a "time capsule": I want to leave a record so that
people 1,000 yrs. from now will be able to visit this freebie "museum"
and, of course, they will shake their heads and wonder how our
"advanced" civilization allowed the "healing arts" to become so
corrupted. And we think the Mayans were primitive because they
sacrificed children to the gods!
It's amazing what the drug cos. give out: I have in my collection not
just pens and note pads but things like neckties, cuff links,
umbrellas, golf balls and my personal favorite, a soap dispenser that
says "Prozac" on it. It makes for quite a conversation piece.
I hope these guidelines will change things but I'm not holding my
breath. This "gift giving" and other forms of bribery of docs, such as
giving large sums of money to charities the docs are "involved" in (per
recent article in NYT), is like a bedbug problem, no matter how hard
you try you try you can't get rid of it.
>>money or other gifts that might influence drug choices,
How can you define what will influence a doctor's choice? This will
only keep the corp. lawyers busy.
> "What we're trying to do is prevent as many of the activities as possible that have not helped the reputation of the industry"
Translation: the public has gotten sick and tired of this.
> The pharmaceutical federation has also assembled a network of industry
> sources who will serve as its "eyes and ears"
Putting the chickens in charge of the chicken coop? Why not set up
some sort of *independent* group to police the industry.
> Stanford's ban extends to free meals, drug samples, pens and sponsorship of continuing medical education
Now that's a start. Pens and note pads may not cost much, but consider
that the doctor stares at them all day.
> The the federation's new code limits companies to gifts that are work-related and of >>modest value, such as stethoscopes or medical dictionaries
If the objective is to keep marketing separate from medicine, then what
diff. does this make?
>These events shouldn't be held in "renowned or extravagant venues"
This might help the economy of say, the Rust Best. Golf resorts will
spring up overnight in places like that.
> The new document doesn't regulate direct-to-consumer advertising or drug trials, unless a >>violation of other principles is involved,
Instead of exhorting us all the time to ask our doctor if a particular
drug is right for us, big pharma would be much more popular with
ordinary folks if they gave **us** the presents.I wouldn't mind a
junket to somewhere nice and I know I'm always running out of pens...
Leah
I.P. Freely - 09 Jan 2007 07:49 GMT
> I find the bribery of doctors to be one of the most disgusting
> practices that our society tolerates. In fact, I feel so strongly
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> umbrellas, golf balls and my personal favorite, a soap dispenser that
> says "Prozac" on it. It makes for quite a conversation piece.
Cuff links? How about the trips to the Caribbean and the Superbowl, the
sex, and damn near anything else they might want? And realize that's how
our disgusting government, especially the Congress, has worked for decades.
I.P.
Steve Kramer - 09 Jan 2007 11:42 GMT
> Dear All,
>
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> corrupted. And we think the Mayans were primitive because they
> sacrificed children to the gods!
If I suspected my doctor was treating me in accordance with the pens,
clipboards and other advertisement I see around his office, I'd find another
doctor. Or buy him a plain clipboard.
Mary Fisher - 09 Jan 2007 12:34 GMT
> If I suspected my doctor was treating me in accordance with the pens,
> clipboards and other advertisement I see around his office, I'd find
> another doctor. Or buy him a plain clipboard.
I'm sure UK doctors are given freebies, we all are. There's hardly a day
goes by without a ballpoint coming through the post. One of the banes of
shopping is being given things by double glazing sellers and the like. I
don't think it matters, we're adult enough not to be influenced to buy
insurance or get a credit card or whatever from the giver and I'm sure that
our doctors are too. There's no evidence of any promotional stuff in our
GP's surgery or waiting room - except for 'Government guidelines' on flu
jabs, five a day, quit smoking and other things which I suspect few people
read.
The Fisherian collection of pens means that we never have to buy any, that's
all. The Rohypnol hand towel in the bathroom is useful for Spouse's hands
(he never rinses properly). Until recently I didn't know what Rohypnol was
and now that I do it has no effect on me or those who use it. Even the
Cancer Research pen has had no influence on our choice of giving.
Such freebies WILL have an effect on some but I'd be surprised if our
doctors were influenced.
Mary
Heather - 09 Jan 2007 22:32 GMT
>> If I suspected my doctor was treating me in accordance with the pens,
>> clipboards and other advertisement I see around his office, I'd find
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> Until recently I didn't know what Rohypnol was and now that I do it
> has no effect on me or those who use it. >
Mary......we are talking about gala dinners, cruises, and the
like........not ball point pens. I overheard one *detail person*
(pharma sales rep) confirming one of the above with my ex-GP......who
has long been fired for many reasons.
And Rohypnol is commonly known as a *date rape* drug......why on earth
would you have advertising for that?? And lastly, what are you talking
about when you say *five a day*........5 what??
OK.....correction. Apparently Rohypnol is used sometimes in the UK as a
relaxant for those undergoing a colonoscopy. Mary.....it is banned in
North America.
Heather
Mary Fisher - 10 Jan 2007 10:45 GMT
>>> If I suspected my doctor was treating me in accordance with the pens,
>>> clipboards and other advertisement I see around his office, I'd find
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> Mary......we are talking about gala dinners, cruises, and the
> like........not ball point pens.
Oh - Steve specifically talked about pens and clipboards :-)
> I overheard one *detail person* (pharma sales rep) confirming one of the
> above with my ex-GP......who has long been fired for many reasons.
There's no point in such bribery with NHS doctors though, is there? They
have to use generic or the cheapest drugs anyway.
> And Rohypnol is commonly known as a *date rape* drug
I know :-)
> ......why on earth would you have advertising for that??
No idea. I don't know where we got the towel!
> And lastly, what are you talking about when you say *five a day*........5
> what??
Fruit and vegetables - what on Earth did you imagine? LOL
> OK.....correction. Apparently Rohypnol is used sometimes in the UK as a
> relaxant for those undergoing a colonoscopy. Mary.....it is banned in
> North America.
It's used here for insomnia too, in some circumstances.
Mary