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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / December 2006You're not going to stick that thing in me, are you?
Well, even a 1/2" 30 gauge needle looks pretty big when all we have as a target is a "turtlehead". This morning, 0.4ml of prostaglandin solution produced my first real erection since surgery almost 1.5 years ago (every bit as good as pre-surgery, no shrinkage detectable). Based on the response I got in the very unconducive surroundings of the doctor's office, we decided that we could go with a lot lower dosage (half or even a quarter). 2.5 hours later the damn' thing is finally subsiding - I'm hoping I don't have to make another trip to Stanford for the "antidote". I found the needle stick mildy painful, but I couldn't feel the injection of the solution at all. Today I had a twenty-something female medical assistant (no, she wasn't my type) do the actual sticking as a demonstration of the corrrect technique; next time it's up to me on my own at home. I figure in more congenial surroundings at least I'll have a bigger target to aim at. The Rx I have says 28 gauge needles; slightly bigger than this morning's. What are the smallest ones available, and how can I get some?  SignaturePeter Headland Peter, I've been away from the group for a while. Don't bother with the harpoons. Get some gauge #31 8mm long (also called "short") needles. Diabetics use them all the time. Most drug stores carry them. You need a prescription. I have used them hundreds of times with never a disappointment or a problem. Steve U > Well, even a 1/2" 30 gauge needle looks pretty big when all we have as > a target is a "turtlehead". This morning, 0.4ml of prostaglandin [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > morning's. What are the smallest ones available, and how can I get > some? You don't need an Rx for needles. I used to keep some at my house because my mother was insulin diabetic. I just had to sign for them. You cannot use them for liquid glue although bleach will go through them. Long story no need to explain. LOL Bev > Peter, > I've been away from the group for a while. Don't bother with the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > morning's. What are the smallest ones available, and how can I get > > some? > You don't need an Rx for needles. I used to keep some at my house because > my > mother was insulin diabetic. I just had to sign for them. You cannot use > them for liquid glue although bleach will go through them. Long story no > need to explain. LOL I'm sure only George need worry about why you're putting glue and bleach in hypos. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06, 6/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 Casodex added daily 07/06 PSA <0.04 Non Illegitimi Carborundum > Get some gauge #31 8mm long (also called "short") needles. Perfect - that's exactly what I needed to know, thanks! SignaturePeter Headland > This morning, 0.4ml of prostaglandin > solution produced my first real erection since surgery almost 1.5 years > ago (every bit as good as pre-surgery, no shrinkage detectable). Woo-hoo! You go, guy! "I'm Peter Headland, this isn't a pistol in my pocket, I'm just happy to see you." I feel strongly compelled to know EVERYTHING. What was it like? Did it feel good? Did you try stroking it? Did you have an orgasm? What! Talk!!! I just had a flashback to something my 1st girlfriend told me. The night we had sex for the first time, of course, she called her best girlfriend to talk, "I-I hope I'm not pregnant!" The other girl said, "Quick, quick, what was it like, tell me everything!" My girlfriend told her friend, "It was pretty darn good... but DON'T YOU START or you won't be able to stop." Of course, it took her friend about a week to convince a guy to co-operate. Then the next week, it was another guy. My girlfriend told me sadly, "I told her not to start. I think she's turning into one of THOSE girls. The ones who have sex with anyone." -kh Where are they now????? Jackass. I would rather wish you a Merry Christmas, but rather a bad prostate biopsy number.....Think about that....buddy. You are in line. You never know.......Do You? John Loomis >> This morning, 0.4ml of prostaglandin >> solution produced my first real erection since surgery almost 1.5 years [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > -kh Where are they now????? > Jackass. > I would rather wish you a Merry Christmas, but rather a bad prostate biopsy > number.....Think about that....buddy. > You are in line. You never know.......Do You? > John Loomis Are you having a bad day? Anyone know what this is all about??? -kh kh, I'm thinking maybe John meant to respond to a recent spammer, maybe the [Tibetan herbs}. Just a guess. SignatureJerryW Please respond to group; email address is not valid 2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62) 2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe 5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes Fully continent by 9/04 PSA <0.1 since >> Jackass. >> I would rather wish you a Merry Christmas, but rather a bad prostate [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -kh Sorry, I thought you were be-littling Peter Headland. That is all. I hope not. John Loomis >> Jackass. >> I would rather wish you a Merry Christmas, but rather a bad prostate [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -kh > Sorry, I thought you were be-littling Peter Headland. > That is all. Nah, never. I was impotent for over a year, 8 months on Lupron-Depot and then months and months of "Is it doing ANYTHING". "Well, maybe the Viagra will kick in?" "It's been an HOUR! -sob- I don't think it's working!!!!!!" "What about that other stuff, Levitra?" ...and so on. Believe me, I know what it's like. Even 6 months after the Lupron supposedly wore off, there were many, many "partials", "softies", and "There, THERE!" followed by "Dang, I think I came." "Yep, it's shrinking." In a way, that was almost worse. $10.00 erections. A little better than stuffable. Too quick to come. A few drops of watery ooze. Almost no sensation of orgasm. 18-24 months AFTER the Lupron wore off, improvement continues. Near normal erections with a quarter to a third a Vitamin-V (10-20 MG). I last more than 5 minutes. Most orgasms feel almost like before. I'm not putting him down. I want to hear Peter bragging about swinging his stick. -kh > Sorry, I thought you were be-littling Peter Headland. > That is all. > I hope not. Ah, you're probably not familiar with the two references. "You go, guy." references a recent movie. I've forgotten the name but maybe someone knows it. A black actress says to another, "You go, girl." meaning, "that's quite an amazing thing you just did. I am impressed." "is that a pistol ... " is a Mae West line. She's dolled up in her best and propositions a guy by saying, "Is that a pistol in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" Of course, in those days, actresses didn't say, "Hey, that looks like a stiff schlong in your pants, you wanna, like, go at me for a half hour." They had to be subtle and light hearted. -kh Hello KH, I know Peter Headland, and we met this last April while he and his wife were on a trip up Northern Calif. Our meeting was not the best since I was working on a difficult job, and wanted to throw in the proverbial "towel" @ the job, and with a visit concerning prostate cancer and issues, and me at work.......It was a bit tough. He has the same Dr. also. I referred him to my Dr. James D Brooks. When I read your original letter it reminded me of some past messages from people not even involved in Prostate Cancer and its trials and Errors, and some of the words people use to express themselves. Anyway, I feel Peter Headland is really trying to make himself better, and he may not take that, Slap on the back, or "How Big is it" routine. That's what got me. I had ED for about 2 years......Pump, Injections, failed viagra, and nothing.....I did keep at it....Funny how nerves, and muscle, and brain, and the "Great Human Body", find ways to re-route..... I had one nerve......in the unit....after trial and error, and talking with many, things started...... So, I guess what I am saying is we need to listen to the stories, and give back helpful thoughts, as to what may help in the long run. Sorry for your problems also... I had Lupron Depot...Horse shot in the butt...... Yeo.....That was in a plan to get External Beam Radiation... I went from "an oversexed male" to a ballless human being... What a Roller Coaster that was.. Anyway, I am better now, and feel bad that I took your letter as a criticism..... I do understand..... John Loomis, Have a wonderful Christmas, and many great PSA readings... A survivor. >> Sorry, I thought you were be-littling Peter Headland. >> That is all. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > -kh > Anyway, I feel Peter Headland is really trying to make himself better, and > he may not take that, Slap on the back, or "How Big is it" routine. I realize that. I figured with his "You're not going to stick that thing in me, are you?" title and comments about the cute nurse, he was ready for a little levity. Well, as much as levity fits in a cancer support group where a good outcome is mild incontinence and ED that goes away with 50 mg of Viagra. > Sorry for your problems also... I've just about got the ED beat. Erections, duration, and quality of orgasms are a whole lot better now than a year ago. My concern is whether I have mets or not. > I had Lupron Depot...Horse shot in the butt...... > Yeo.....That was in a plan to get External Beam Radiation... > I went from "an oversexed male" to a ballless human being... > What a Roller Coaster that was.. > Anyway, I am better now, and feel bad that I took your letter as a > criticism..... Don't sweat it. The thing is, we gotta say how we are doing. Even though each person's experience is different, knowing that many guys take a couple years to recover helps someone on their journey. The other part is knowing that even if it takes a blue pill or a shot, it can be pretty good. -kh Ballless? Oh, no, not you! Never! I think that is the bad part of this disease. I think that happens to many men. I wish I could somehow convince you guys that those feelings are simply a side-effect of PC and to push those thoughts away. No matter what the PC did, in spite of the Lupron, I know you remained just as handsome and sexy as you ever were. Go ask your wife. I'm sure she'll tell you the same thing! Bev <SNIP>> I had Lupron Depot...Horse shot in the butt...... > Yeo.....That was in a plan to get External Beam Radiation... > I went from "an oversexed male" to a ballless human being... > What a Roller Coaster that was.. <SNIP> Hello Peter Headland, I am glad Dr. James D. Brooks, and with your suggestion, you were initiated and used Prostaglandin as a starter...... I had the same.....@ Stanford. I was @ Stanford for 2 days. Show and Tell. or show and do it! I have to tell you my experience with all the ED recommends, and such, all seem to add up to "great success". seriously. I used 1/3 of a 100mgs Viagra today, and had a wonderful erection......I have a softee with nothing, but not bad.... The story sarts way back when.... RP.....nothing.... Pumps, not too happy, Viagra.....headache...... So, Prostaglandin..... I did the show and tell...... First Day was a failure....limpy...we used 30mgs.... On the diabetic needle....1/2" yeow. 2nd day, I showed up, and was ushered into a room. You do it now! Who, me? Jees, So, the Male nurse was ready to leave when I said that I did not like needles.... I said, wait! wait!...I cleaned off the bottle of Prostaglandin with alcohol....I pumped air into the vial, so to retract fluid. I did the 1/2" needle. Wow....I squeezed, the base, and the medication took effect. 70 mgs I had a 9" hardon, that would not go away.... Wish there were a nurse, and female, to help figure out how to get this baseball bat out of my pants, so I could get to my car. Sorry for the theatrics... The Prostaglandin works well. I find it best in the a.m. (when you can walk off the meds.) I had trouble with a hardon that would never subside, and pain.... Usually at night.(I figured a.m was best....after many nights...with pain, and erection that would not go away.. Well, with all the fighting, and trial and error, I am at a good place. That is what you need to try. Experience, the differing ED experiences, keep trying, Try them all, expect failure and success. Make sure you let your wife help you! It is not your battle alone. I suggest using the Prostaglandin in the a.m. Have your wife help you....She will love you for this. The meds needs to be in the frig..... Get up, get the meds, the alcohol swipes, get back in bed...Fill the syringe, swipe the areas, inject....Experiment on the amount..... I suggest foreplay prior to injection.....Satisfy your wife first..... Then, you get to play, and use the injection, and wait, but do have fun. Hey, I could go on, and I see you are doing "Great" Your friend, and a survivor with DR. James D Brooks Happy wife too. John Loomis > Well, even a 1/2" 30 gauge needle looks pretty big when all we have as > a target is a "turtlehead". This morning, 0.4ml of prostaglandin [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > morning's. What are the smallest ones available, and how can I get > some? > Well, even a 1/2" 30 gauge needle looks pretty big when all we have as >> > The Rx I have says 28 gauge needles; slightly bigger than this > morning's. What are the smallest ones available, and how can I get > some? Dear Peter, I printed this out recently for my husband from another group and so I hope it might help you. I complained that my husb could not "switch-hit", e.g., inject both sides of the penis (alternatively). as some are instructed to do. "The classic solution is to use an autoinjector. After 4 yrs of manual injections I started using the BD Inject-Ease, and have become a convert. Does a great job, inexpensive and you can get it at your local pharm (w/o prescription) and pretty easy to inject on both sides. ...our favorite needle the BD Ultra-Fine II, 5/16 by 31 gauge..." Leah > "The classic solution is to use an autoinjector... Thanks Leah, that's a big help - I was wondering how to spread the wear and tear out to the other side. SignaturePeter Headland |
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