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NBA Stars to Promote Pca Awareness

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callalily - 17 Dec 2006 17:56 GMT
Dear all,

Awareness has come!  Awoke yesterday to hear kareem abdul-jabbar on NPR
saying he was the new spokesman for the prostate cancer foundation.
Think he will be very effective.

Goes to show even men who can jump get pca.  And, surprise, they stay
men.

Leah

Spurs players help NBA fight prostate cancer

San Antonio Business Journal - December 8, 2006by W. Scott Bailey

The Prostate Cancer Foundation is partnering with the NBA and will sell
wristbands representing 18 current and former players as part of an
effort to raise funds to help find a cure for the disease.

The wristbands will feature the names, signatures, uniform numbers,
team colors and logos of current and former NBA stars.

Current San Antonio Spurs Tony Parker and Tim Duncan are among the 18
players selected. So is former Spurs great and NBA Hall of Famer George
Gervin.

The wristbands will cost $3 and will be sold at the NBA Store on Fifth
Avenue and at participating arenas. They will also be available online
at NBAStore.com.

Other participating players include LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony,
Dwyane Wade, Steve Nash, Shaquille O'Neal, Jerry West, Kareem
Abdul-Jabbar, Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson.

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Steve Kramer - 17 Dec 2006 19:06 GMT
> Awareness has come!  Awoke yesterday to hear kareem abdul-jabbar on NPR
> saying he was the new spokesman for the prostate cancer foundation.
> Think he will be very effective.

I did some Googling and finally found an article.  One sentence about him
and others partnering with the Prostate Cancer Foundation, then about ten
paragraphs about Alcinder, and finally another sentence about the
partnership.  It's not going to be very effective at that rate.

> Goes to show even men who can jump get pca.  And, surprise, they stay
> men.

I cannot find where he has PCa.

> Other participating players include LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony,
> Dwyane Wade, Steve Nash, Shaquille O'Neal, Jerry West, Kareem
> Abdul-Jabbar, Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson.

Now there are some names!  No doubt James will be a hall of famer, and
O'Neal...  but West, Jabbar, and Frazier were great players when the game
was great.  And the Big "O", was the best of the best.  I got to see him
when I was very young and I wish I knew then what I was watching.  Him and
Lucas and Pistol Pete -- what a game it was then....

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I.P. Freely - 17 Dec 2006 20:29 GMT
>> Awareness has come!  Awoke yesterday to hear kareem abdul-jabbar on NPR
>> saying he was the new spokesman for the prostate cancer foundation.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> when I was very young and I wish I knew then what I was watching.  Him and
> Lucas and Pistol Pete -- what a game it was then....

Let me guess . . . BASKETBALL, right?
Wow, I DO know something about pro sports after all!

I.P.
Steve Kramer - 17 Dec 2006 21:31 GMT
> Let me guess . . . BASKETBALL, right?
> Wow, I DO know something about pro sports after all!

Give tha man a star!
Beverley - 18 Dec 2006 03:27 GMT
ME! ME! ME!!! I get one too! I knew it was basketball!!
Bev
PS: The list lacks Michael Jordan's name: there's some star power and he's a
really nice guy! (Unlike the little criminal Iverson. Sorry guys, he's a
local boy and doesn't deserve what he's got.)

> > Let me guess . . . BASKETBALL, right?
> > Wow, I DO know something about pro sports after all!
>
> Give tha man a star!
Steve Kramer - 18 Dec 2006 11:32 GMT
>> > Let me guess . . . BASKETBALL, right?
>> > Wow, I DO know something about pro sports after all!
>>
>> Give tha man a star!

> ME! ME! ME!!! I get one too! I knew it was basketball!!
> Bev
> PS: The list lacks Michael Jordan's name: there's some star power and he's
> a
> really nice guy! (Unlike the little criminal Iverson. Sorry guys, he's a
> local boy and doesn't deserve what he's got.)

Well, if you're going to toss out those that belong in jail........

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glassman - 17 Dec 2006 21:49 GMT
>> Awareness has come!  Awoke yesterday to hear kareem abdul-jabbar on NPR
>> saying he was the new spokesman for the prostate cancer foundation.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> when I was very young and I wish I knew then what I was watching.  Him and
> Lucas and Pistol Pete -- what a game it was then....

  Yup all great ones. There was only one Pistol alright. When they make a
big deal out of one of todays players getting a triple double, (at least 10
points-rebounds-assists in a game), I remember when Oscar AVERAGED a triple
double for an enitire season!  Frazier had the single best important game I
ever saw against the Lakers when Reed was out.  36-19-12 and 5 steals.  My
HS went up against a young Alcindor in HS. We had a white 7 footer named
"Dave shorty Newmark" that was going to teach him a lesson.  Lew sat out the
entire 2nd half after scoring 50 in the 1st!

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Steve Kramer - 17 Dec 2006 23:10 GMT
> My HS went up against a young Alcindor in HS. We had a white 7 footer
> named "Dave shorty Newmark" that was going to teach him a lesson.  Lew sat
> out the entire 2nd half after scoring 50 in the 1st!

Which explains why Shorty lasted only 2 years in the pros.
glassman - 18 Dec 2006 18:52 GMT
>> My HS went up against a young Alcindor in HS. We had a white 7 footer
>> named "Dave shorty Newmark" that was going to teach him a lesson.  Lew
>> sat out the entire 2nd half after scoring 50 in the 1st!
>
> Which explains why Shorty lasted only 2 years in the pros.

  Get your hands on a little film that was shown on PBS recently called
"The Boys Of 2nd Street Park".  If you want an insight to what my world was
like, I played BB and went to school with some of these guys in Brooklyn.
Shorty Newmark is in it to.

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callalily - 18 Dec 2006 23:14 GMT
Hello g,

>    Yup all great ones. There was only one Pistol alright. When they make a
> big deal out of one of todays players getting a triple double, (at least 10
> points-rebounds-assists in a game), I remember when Oscar AVERAGED a triple
> double for an enitire season!>

If I get your point I think it's the same with baseball.  Back then
there were very few power hitters.  Today, everyone is Barry Bonds.
Wonder why.

Happy Chanukah.

Leah
Steve Kramer - 19 Dec 2006 00:15 GMT
> Hello g,
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> there were very few power hitters.  Today, everyone is Barry Bonds.
> Wonder why.

I think it would be a little more than that.  Basketball players, like
baseball players, play offense and defense, depending on which end of the
court they're on.  In basketball, some players are counted on for points,
others for rebounds and others for putting the ball in the shooters' hands.
On a really good night, one person might score ten points, get ten rebounds
and feed the ball ten times to another player who gets ten points.  That's a
triple double and it's rare.  Oscar did it so many times in one season that
it was his "average" game that season ('67?).

In baseball, the only similar analogy I can think of is averaging 1 run
batted in, 1 run scored, and 2.7 put outs per game or 162 RBIs (191 is a
record), 162 runs scored (198 is a record), and 437 put outs (547 is a
record) in a single season.  Considering the vagaries of fellow players, I
would imagine it would also involve a .500 batting average (.440 is a
record) to accomplish the other numbers.
glassman - 19 Dec 2006 05:08 GMT
players, I
> would imagine it would also involve a .500 batting average (.440 is a
> record) to accomplish the other numbers.

 No modern day MLer  ever hit .440

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Steve Kramer - 19 Dec 2006 11:30 GMT
> players, I
>> would imagine it would also involve a .500 batting average (.440 is a
>> record) to accomplish the other numbers.
>
>  No modern day MLer  ever hit .440

You are correct, sir.

"Hugh Duffy batted .440 for the Boston Beaneaters in 1894 and it's
improbable that high standard will ever be challenged. Duffy remains the
second greatest player ever to come out of Rhode Island behind Nap
Lajoie." - Poet / Author Dan D'Alessio (Email to Baseball Almanac,
03/28/2004)
glassman - 20 Dec 2006 06:16 GMT
>> players, I
>>> would imagine it would also involve a .500 batting average (.440 is a
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Lajoie." - Poet / Author Dan D'Alessio (Email to Baseball Almanac,
> 03/28/2004)

 The rules were so different then, that you can't compare. A number of
drastic rule changes (under-hand pitching, distance of the pitching mound,
batters being able to choose what type of pitch they wanted etc) happened
around this time too.  1800 stats are realistically impossible to break
using todays rules. Levi Meyerle hit .492 in 130 AB in 1871, and 130 AB was
a legit statistic back then since they only played 28 games a season. Also a
foul ball wasn't considered a strike either until the formation of the AL in
1901, which is referred to as the modern era.  Tiny mitten like gloves and
of course some feel that the best players, blacks, weren't even allowed to
play.

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Steve Kramer - 21 Dec 2006 01:35 GMT
>>> players, I
>>>> would imagine it would also involve a .500 batting average (.440 is a
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> gloves and of course some feel that the best players, blacks, weren't even
> allowed to play.

Okay.  Let's use .407.  I think that's what Ted Williams hit one year.
NICK - 21 Dec 2006 02:06 GMT
> Okay.  Let's use .407.  I think that's what Ted Williams hit one year.

Batting Champions for each league since the
beginning of the "modern" era in 1901

1901     Napoleon Lajole    Philadelphia (AL)    .426
1911     Ty Cobb                Detroit  (AL)           .420
1922     Harry Heliman       Sl. Louis (AL)         .420
1924     Rogers Hornsby   St. Louis (NL)         .424
1941     Ted Williams          Boston (AL)           .406

  The WORLD ALMANAC and Book of Facts
Steve Kramer - 21 Dec 2006 10:55 GMT
>> Okay.  Let's use .407.  I think that's what Ted Williams hit one year.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>   The WORLD ALMANAC and Book of Facts

Well, there you go.  I guess Oscar Robinson was a good basketball player
afterall.
glassman - 19 Dec 2006 00:16 GMT
> Hello g,
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Leah

 I was just reminicing with Steve about the olden days when we played with
a square ball.

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callalily - 18 Dec 2006 23:07 GMT
Hello Steve,

> "callalily" <lfcjjk@aol.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> paragraphs about Alcinder, and finally another sentence about the
> partnership.  It's not going to be very effective at that rate.

You are right.  The press coverage was rather underwhelming.  Had to
pay $4.00 for a transcript of above radio program.  But you have to
start somewhere.  It was only in the last few weeks that I have seen
several public service commercials on TV for pca.  I think the momentum
is building however slowly.

I also looked at the prostate cancer foundation website
(pcafoundation.org) and they have a link to "athletes for a cure".
They have sponsored some sports events for charity whose proceeds go to
pca research.  First I have seen of that. You can also register to
create a web page on that site but I am kind of cyberdumb so I think
maybe you have to be an athlete to do so.  But check it out.

You confused me!  Thought Alcinder was a drug (really).  Spouse had to
translate.

I think KAJ will be a good spokesman for pca because he sounded good on
the radio: smart and articulate.  He has done a variety of things in
his life (see transcript below) and it sounds like he's done them well,
so why not this.  He was in Airplane, which is a hilarious movie, but I
can't say I really know who KAJ is.  However, my husb remembers him in
the movie. It is one of his favorite slapstick comedies.

> > Goes to show even men who can jump get pca.  And, surprise, they stay
> > men.
>
> I cannot find where he has PCa.

Jumped the gun on that.  Husb said to me, "I wouldn't be surprised if
KA-J had it if he has become a spokesman for the cause."  Wouldn't
surprise me either but I don't know that he has had pca.  Sorry. But
I'm sure there are plenty of fine athletes out there who have had pca
including basketball players.  We all know that pca affects black men
disproportionately.  Just go to a uro waiting room.

Now if you want to see a real MAN  who has had pca come look at my husb
or send me a SASE and a few dollars and I'll send you a photo.  Was
just thinking Saturday how handsome he looks.  And the ladies seem to
agree.  We were at a party and a willowy blond draped herself around
him (homage to KH?) and I gave her a look that could kill but it didn't
quite take.  And he just stood there smiling and blushing and fiddling
with his tie.  Why is it that a man reaches middle age and tires of so
many things except being a chikmagnet.

If you want to be a Man just get yourself some big, chocolatey-brown
eyes ringed with NEVER-ENDING EYELASHES.  Find myself wondering how
long he is going to be around.  I tell you, someday he is going to trip
over those brooms.

> > Other participating players include LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony,
> > Dwyane Wade, Steve Nash, Shaquille O'Neal, Jerry West, Kareem
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> when I was very young and I wish I knew then what I was watching.  Him and
> Lucas and Pistol Pete -- what a game it was then....

Is Big O the same as Shaq?

> Wish you and your family a Merry Christmas.  I appreciate your encouraging messages.

leah

Here is a transcript of the npr show:

A Chat with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

December 16, 2006 from Weekend Edition Saturday

SCOTT SIMON, host: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the highest scoring NBA
player of all time and still considered one of the most elusive
personalities in sports. Since his retirement in 1989, the man who led
every basketball he ever played for, from All-American with the Power
Memorial High School Panthers to five NBA championships with the LA
Lakers, he's been extremely hard to pin down. He's been a jazz promoter
and a producer. He's played a pilot in the movie "Airplane." He's
written books, including 2000's "A Season on the Reservation: My
Sojourn with the White Mountain Apaches," about coaching basketball on
an Apache reservation; and two year's ago, the book "Brothers in Arms,"
the epic story of the 761st Tank Battalion, World War II's forgotten
heroes.

He's now working with the National Basketball Association and the
Prostate Cancer Foundation to raise funds and awareness. Kareem
Abdul-Jabbar joins us from our studios in New York.

Thanks for being with us.

Mr. KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR (Former NBA Player): My pleasure.

SIMON: Tell us a bit about how the program in which you're speaking is
going to operate. There are these, what inevitably - I guess in this
day and age we call these Lance Armstrong-like wristbands that are
being sold in NBA arenas around the country.

Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Well, the wristband program is under the auspices of
the NBA. And you can go online to nbastore.com and order any of 18
players' wristbands. All the profits will go to cancer research,
specifically prostate cancer.

SIMON: Mm-hmm. We'll explain, there are some contemporary stars, like
Tony Parker and Tim Duncan and Lebron James; you can get their
wristbands, and then...

Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Old-timers, like myself.

SIMON: Well, I wasn't going to phrase it that way.

(Soundbite of laughter)

SIMON: But you and Jerry West, who's - my God, a basketball executive,
of all things, now; and Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson.

When you talk about prostate cancer, prevention and cure, is it hard to
get attention for something like that, when there's so many, for lack
of a better word, other maladies that cry out for public attention,
when there's so many wristbands, for that matter?

Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Well, I think prostate cancer deserves the attention
that we're trying to bring to it. Thirty-four percent of all men will
have to deal with it in some way or another. And it's very easy to
treat, given the fact that early analysis is part of the picture.

SIMON: I have to ask this while we have the chance. Would you still
like to coach in the NBA?

Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Yeah, I think I could do a good job. Of course, you
know, it all depends on the opportunity, and I haven't had the good
fortune to come across one. But I've been working with the Lakers now
for a little over a year, teaching a young player name Andrew Bynum,
who's 19 years old and wants to be a dominant center player. And I've
had a good experience with that. And I'm hoping to see him continue to
improve.

SIMON: You were the most famous high school basketball player in the
nation, but still went to UCLA. As a generalization, what do you think
about youngsters going from high school into the NBA?

Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: I think in this day and age, with so much financial
reward involved in it, I think it's not a bad choice for a youngster to
go from high school into the NBA. But when I had the opportunity to do
it back in 1965, it really didn't make much sense. Getting an education
and making sure that you have the means to do something with your life
other than basketball was an important thing.

SIMON: May I ask? You're working on another book?

Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Yes, I am. I'm working on a book that relates what
happened during the Harlem Renaissance and the early days of
professional basketball. One of the best basketball teams that they
never heard of played in Harlem during the Harlem Renaissance and into
the 1930s, and was the first professional championship team in this
nation.

SIMON: Forgive me. What team was that? I know it wasn't the
Globetrotters, because they actually...

Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: It wasn't the Globetrotters. That's right. The
Globetrotters were from Chicago.

SIMON: Right.

Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: They used the name Harlem to let people know that
they were a black team. But the New York Renaissance Big Five, also
known as the Harlem Rens, that was the best team in early professional
basketball. Nobody knows their story.

SIMON: Mr. Abdul-Jabbar, been wonderful talking to you. Thanks very
much.

Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Thank you. It's a pleasure talking to you.

SIMON: Speaking with us from New York, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He's the
all-time NBA scoring leader. He's raising funds to find a cure for
prostate cancer.
Copyright ?1990-2005 National Public Radio?. All rights reserved. No
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without attribution to National Public Radio. This transcript may not
be reproduced in whole or in part without prior written permission. For
further information, please contact NPR's Rights and Reuse Associate at
(202) 513-2030.
Steve Kramer - 18 Dec 2006 23:50 GMT
< Now if you want to see a real MAN  who has had pca come look at my husb
< or send me a SASE and a few dollars and I'll send you a photo.

Er...  no thanks.  My mirror will do.   :-)

> Is Big O the same as Shaq?

The Bit O is Oscar Robinson, the best player ever to play the game of
basketball outside of Canada.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

Heather - 19 Dec 2006 01:08 GMT
> < Now if you want to see a real MAN  who has had pca come look at my
> husb
> < or send me a SASE and a few dollars and I'll send you a photo.
>
> Er...  no thanks.  My mirror will do.   :-)

That cracked me up........
>  The Bit O is Oscar Robinson, the best player ever to play the game of
> basketball outside of Canada.

But this one was even funnier.....even tho no one has a clue what you
are talking about.  You have a very bizarre sense of humour!!

XX  Figgs
Beverley - 18 Dec 2006 23:54 GMT
Great! He devote three sentences to prostate cancer in the interview. It
takes more than three sentences!
Bev (Thank you Leah for putting the transcript up here.)

<SNIP>
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Well, the wristband program is under the auspices of
the NBA. And you can go online to nbastore.com and order any of 18
players' wristbands. All the profits will go to cancer research,
specifically prostate cancer.

SIMON: Mm-hmm. We'll explain, there are some contemporary stars, like
Tony Parker and Tim Duncan and Lebron James; you can get their
wristbands, and then...

Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Old-timers, like myself.

SIMON: Well, I wasn't going to phrase it that way.

(Soundbite of laughter)

SIMON: But you and Jerry West, who's - my God, a basketball executive,
of all things, now; and Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson.

When you talk about prostate cancer, prevention and cure, is it hard to
get attention for something like that, when there's so many, for lack
of a better word, other maladies that cry out for public attention,
when there's so many wristbands, for that matter?

Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Well, I think prostate cancer deserves the attention
that we're trying to bring to it. Thirty-four percent of all men will
have to deal with it in some way or another. And it's very easy to
treat, given the fact that early analysis is part of the picture.

SIMON: I have to ask this while we have the chance. Would you still
like to coach in the NBA?

<SNIP>
 
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