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NBA Stars to Promote Pca Awareness
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callalily - 17 Dec 2006 17:56 GMT Dear all,
Awareness has come! Awoke yesterday to hear kareem abdul-jabbar on NPR saying he was the new spokesman for the prostate cancer foundation. Think he will be very effective.
Goes to show even men who can jump get pca. And, surprise, they stay men.
Leah
Spurs players help NBA fight prostate cancer
San Antonio Business Journal - December 8, 2006by W. Scott Bailey
The Prostate Cancer Foundation is partnering with the NBA and will sell wristbands representing 18 current and former players as part of an effort to raise funds to help find a cure for the disease.
The wristbands will feature the names, signatures, uniform numbers, team colors and logos of current and former NBA stars.
Current San Antonio Spurs Tony Parker and Tim Duncan are among the 18 players selected. So is former Spurs great and NBA Hall of Famer George Gervin.
The wristbands will cost $3 and will be sold at the NBA Store on Fifth Avenue and at participating arenas. They will also be available online at NBAStore.com.
Other participating players include LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Steve Nash, Shaquille O'Neal, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson.
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Steve Kramer - 17 Dec 2006 19:06 GMT > Awareness has come! Awoke yesterday to hear kareem abdul-jabbar on NPR > saying he was the new spokesman for the prostate cancer foundation. > Think he will be very effective. I did some Googling and finally found an article. One sentence about him and others partnering with the Prostate Cancer Foundation, then about ten paragraphs about Alcinder, and finally another sentence about the partnership. It's not going to be very effective at that rate.
> Goes to show even men who can jump get pca. And, surprise, they stay > men. I cannot find where he has PCa.
> Other participating players include LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, > Dwyane Wade, Steve Nash, Shaquille O'Neal, Jerry West, Kareem > Abdul-Jabbar, Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson. Now there are some names! No doubt James will be a hall of famer, and O'Neal... but West, Jabbar, and Frazier were great players when the game was great. And the Big "O", was the best of the best. I got to see him when I was very young and I wish I knew then what I was watching. Him and Lucas and Pistol Pete -- what a game it was then....
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I.P. Freely - 17 Dec 2006 20:29 GMT >> Awareness has come! Awoke yesterday to hear kareem abdul-jabbar on NPR >> saying he was the new spokesman for the prostate cancer foundation. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > when I was very young and I wish I knew then what I was watching. Him and > Lucas and Pistol Pete -- what a game it was then.... Let me guess . . . BASKETBALL, right? Wow, I DO know something about pro sports after all!
I.P.
Steve Kramer - 17 Dec 2006 21:31 GMT > Let me guess . . . BASKETBALL, right? > Wow, I DO know something about pro sports after all! Give tha man a star!
Beverley - 18 Dec 2006 03:27 GMT ME! ME! ME!!! I get one too! I knew it was basketball!! Bev PS: The list lacks Michael Jordan's name: there's some star power and he's a really nice guy! (Unlike the little criminal Iverson. Sorry guys, he's a local boy and doesn't deserve what he's got.)
> > Let me guess . . . BASKETBALL, right? > > Wow, I DO know something about pro sports after all! > > Give tha man a star! Steve Kramer - 18 Dec 2006 11:32 GMT >> > Let me guess . . . BASKETBALL, right? >> > Wow, I DO know something about pro sports after all! >> >> Give tha man a star!
> ME! ME! ME!!! I get one too! I knew it was basketball!! > Bev > PS: The list lacks Michael Jordan's name: there's some star power and he's > a > really nice guy! (Unlike the little criminal Iverson. Sorry guys, he's a > local boy and doesn't deserve what he's got.) Well, if you're going to toss out those that belong in jail........
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glassman - 17 Dec 2006 21:49 GMT >> Awareness has come! Awoke yesterday to hear kareem abdul-jabbar on NPR >> saying he was the new spokesman for the prostate cancer foundation. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > when I was very young and I wish I knew then what I was watching. Him and > Lucas and Pistol Pete -- what a game it was then.... Yup all great ones. There was only one Pistol alright. When they make a big deal out of one of todays players getting a triple double, (at least 10 points-rebounds-assists in a game), I remember when Oscar AVERAGED a triple double for an enitire season! Frazier had the single best important game I ever saw against the Lakers when Reed was out. 36-19-12 and 5 steals. My HS went up against a young Alcindor in HS. We had a white 7 footer named "Dave shorty Newmark" that was going to teach him a lesson. Lew sat out the entire 2nd half after scoring 50 in the 1st!
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Steve Kramer - 17 Dec 2006 23:10 GMT > My HS went up against a young Alcindor in HS. We had a white 7 footer > named "Dave shorty Newmark" that was going to teach him a lesson. Lew sat > out the entire 2nd half after scoring 50 in the 1st! Which explains why Shorty lasted only 2 years in the pros.
glassman - 18 Dec 2006 18:52 GMT >> My HS went up against a young Alcindor in HS. We had a white 7 footer >> named "Dave shorty Newmark" that was going to teach him a lesson. Lew >> sat out the entire 2nd half after scoring 50 in the 1st! > > Which explains why Shorty lasted only 2 years in the pros. Get your hands on a little film that was shown on PBS recently called "The Boys Of 2nd Street Park". If you want an insight to what my world was like, I played BB and went to school with some of these guys in Brooklyn. Shorty Newmark is in it to.
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callalily - 18 Dec 2006 23:14 GMT Hello g,
> Yup all great ones. There was only one Pistol alright. When they make a > big deal out of one of todays players getting a triple double, (at least 10 > points-rebounds-assists in a game), I remember when Oscar AVERAGED a triple > double for an enitire season!> If I get your point I think it's the same with baseball. Back then there were very few power hitters. Today, everyone is Barry Bonds. Wonder why.
Happy Chanukah.
Leah
Steve Kramer - 19 Dec 2006 00:15 GMT > Hello g, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > there were very few power hitters. Today, everyone is Barry Bonds. > Wonder why. I think it would be a little more than that. Basketball players, like baseball players, play offense and defense, depending on which end of the court they're on. In basketball, some players are counted on for points, others for rebounds and others for putting the ball in the shooters' hands. On a really good night, one person might score ten points, get ten rebounds and feed the ball ten times to another player who gets ten points. That's a triple double and it's rare. Oscar did it so many times in one season that it was his "average" game that season ('67?).
In baseball, the only similar analogy I can think of is averaging 1 run batted in, 1 run scored, and 2.7 put outs per game or 162 RBIs (191 is a record), 162 runs scored (198 is a record), and 437 put outs (547 is a record) in a single season. Considering the vagaries of fellow players, I would imagine it would also involve a .500 batting average (.440 is a record) to accomplish the other numbers.
glassman - 19 Dec 2006 05:08 GMT players, I
> would imagine it would also involve a .500 batting average (.440 is a > record) to accomplish the other numbers. No modern day MLer ever hit .440
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Steve Kramer - 19 Dec 2006 11:30 GMT > players, I >> would imagine it would also involve a .500 batting average (.440 is a >> record) to accomplish the other numbers. > > No modern day MLer ever hit .440 You are correct, sir.
"Hugh Duffy batted .440 for the Boston Beaneaters in 1894 and it's improbable that high standard will ever be challenged. Duffy remains the second greatest player ever to come out of Rhode Island behind Nap Lajoie." - Poet / Author Dan D'Alessio (Email to Baseball Almanac, 03/28/2004)
glassman - 20 Dec 2006 06:16 GMT >> players, I >>> would imagine it would also involve a .500 batting average (.440 is a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Lajoie." - Poet / Author Dan D'Alessio (Email to Baseball Almanac, > 03/28/2004) The rules were so different then, that you can't compare. A number of drastic rule changes (under-hand pitching, distance of the pitching mound, batters being able to choose what type of pitch they wanted etc) happened around this time too. 1800 stats are realistically impossible to break using todays rules. Levi Meyerle hit .492 in 130 AB in 1871, and 130 AB was a legit statistic back then since they only played 28 games a season. Also a foul ball wasn't considered a strike either until the formation of the AL in 1901, which is referred to as the modern era. Tiny mitten like gloves and of course some feel that the best players, blacks, weren't even allowed to play.
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Steve Kramer - 21 Dec 2006 01:35 GMT >>> players, I >>>> would imagine it would also involve a .500 batting average (.440 is a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > gloves and of course some feel that the best players, blacks, weren't even > allowed to play. Okay. Let's use .407. I think that's what Ted Williams hit one year.
NICK - 21 Dec 2006 02:06 GMT > Okay. Let's use .407. I think that's what Ted Williams hit one year. Batting Champions for each league since the beginning of the "modern" era in 1901
1901 Napoleon Lajole Philadelphia (AL) .426 1911 Ty Cobb Detroit (AL) .420 1922 Harry Heliman Sl. Louis (AL) .420 1924 Rogers Hornsby St. Louis (NL) .424 1941 Ted Williams Boston (AL) .406
The WORLD ALMANAC and Book of Facts
Steve Kramer - 21 Dec 2006 10:55 GMT >> Okay. Let's use .407. I think that's what Ted Williams hit one year. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The WORLD ALMANAC and Book of Facts Well, there you go. I guess Oscar Robinson was a good basketball player afterall.
glassman - 19 Dec 2006 00:16 GMT > Hello g, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Leah I was just reminicing with Steve about the olden days when we played with a square ball.
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callalily - 18 Dec 2006 23:07 GMT Hello Steve,
> "callalily" <lfcjjk@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > paragraphs about Alcinder, and finally another sentence about the > partnership. It's not going to be very effective at that rate. You are right. The press coverage was rather underwhelming. Had to pay $4.00 for a transcript of above radio program. But you have to start somewhere. It was only in the last few weeks that I have seen several public service commercials on TV for pca. I think the momentum is building however slowly.
I also looked at the prostate cancer foundation website (pcafoundation.org) and they have a link to "athletes for a cure". They have sponsored some sports events for charity whose proceeds go to pca research. First I have seen of that. You can also register to create a web page on that site but I am kind of cyberdumb so I think maybe you have to be an athlete to do so. But check it out.
You confused me! Thought Alcinder was a drug (really). Spouse had to translate.
I think KAJ will be a good spokesman for pca because he sounded good on the radio: smart and articulate. He has done a variety of things in his life (see transcript below) and it sounds like he's done them well, so why not this. He was in Airplane, which is a hilarious movie, but I can't say I really know who KAJ is. However, my husb remembers him in the movie. It is one of his favorite slapstick comedies.
> > Goes to show even men who can jump get pca. And, surprise, they stay > > men. > > I cannot find where he has PCa. Jumped the gun on that. Husb said to me, "I wouldn't be surprised if KA-J had it if he has become a spokesman for the cause." Wouldn't surprise me either but I don't know that he has had pca. Sorry. But I'm sure there are plenty of fine athletes out there who have had pca including basketball players. We all know that pca affects black men disproportionately. Just go to a uro waiting room.
Now if you want to see a real MAN who has had pca come look at my husb or send me a SASE and a few dollars and I'll send you a photo. Was just thinking Saturday how handsome he looks. And the ladies seem to agree. We were at a party and a willowy blond draped herself around him (homage to KH?) and I gave her a look that could kill but it didn't quite take. And he just stood there smiling and blushing and fiddling with his tie. Why is it that a man reaches middle age and tires of so many things except being a chikmagnet.
If you want to be a Man just get yourself some big, chocolatey-brown eyes ringed with NEVER-ENDING EYELASHES. Find myself wondering how long he is going to be around. I tell you, someday he is going to trip over those brooms.
> > Other participating players include LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, > > Dwyane Wade, Steve Nash, Shaquille O'Neal, Jerry West, Kareem [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > when I was very young and I wish I knew then what I was watching. Him and > Lucas and Pistol Pete -- what a game it was then.... Is Big O the same as Shaq?
> Wish you and your family a Merry Christmas. I appreciate your encouraging messages. leah
Here is a transcript of the npr show:
A Chat with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
December 16, 2006 from Weekend Edition Saturday
SCOTT SIMON, host: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the highest scoring NBA player of all time and still considered one of the most elusive personalities in sports. Since his retirement in 1989, the man who led every basketball he ever played for, from All-American with the Power Memorial High School Panthers to five NBA championships with the LA Lakers, he's been extremely hard to pin down. He's been a jazz promoter and a producer. He's played a pilot in the movie "Airplane." He's written books, including 2000's "A Season on the Reservation: My Sojourn with the White Mountain Apaches," about coaching basketball on an Apache reservation; and two year's ago, the book "Brothers in Arms," the epic story of the 761st Tank Battalion, World War II's forgotten heroes.
He's now working with the National Basketball Association and the Prostate Cancer Foundation to raise funds and awareness. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar joins us from our studios in New York.
Thanks for being with us.
Mr. KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR (Former NBA Player): My pleasure.
SIMON: Tell us a bit about how the program in which you're speaking is going to operate. There are these, what inevitably - I guess in this day and age we call these Lance Armstrong-like wristbands that are being sold in NBA arenas around the country.
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Well, the wristband program is under the auspices of the NBA. And you can go online to nbastore.com and order any of 18 players' wristbands. All the profits will go to cancer research, specifically prostate cancer.
SIMON: Mm-hmm. We'll explain, there are some contemporary stars, like Tony Parker and Tim Duncan and Lebron James; you can get their wristbands, and then...
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Old-timers, like myself.
SIMON: Well, I wasn't going to phrase it that way.
(Soundbite of laughter)
SIMON: But you and Jerry West, who's - my God, a basketball executive, of all things, now; and Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson.
When you talk about prostate cancer, prevention and cure, is it hard to get attention for something like that, when there's so many, for lack of a better word, other maladies that cry out for public attention, when there's so many wristbands, for that matter?
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Well, I think prostate cancer deserves the attention that we're trying to bring to it. Thirty-four percent of all men will have to deal with it in some way or another. And it's very easy to treat, given the fact that early analysis is part of the picture.
SIMON: I have to ask this while we have the chance. Would you still like to coach in the NBA?
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Yeah, I think I could do a good job. Of course, you know, it all depends on the opportunity, and I haven't had the good fortune to come across one. But I've been working with the Lakers now for a little over a year, teaching a young player name Andrew Bynum, who's 19 years old and wants to be a dominant center player. And I've had a good experience with that. And I'm hoping to see him continue to improve.
SIMON: You were the most famous high school basketball player in the nation, but still went to UCLA. As a generalization, what do you think about youngsters going from high school into the NBA?
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: I think in this day and age, with so much financial reward involved in it, I think it's not a bad choice for a youngster to go from high school into the NBA. But when I had the opportunity to do it back in 1965, it really didn't make much sense. Getting an education and making sure that you have the means to do something with your life other than basketball was an important thing.
SIMON: May I ask? You're working on another book?
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Yes, I am. I'm working on a book that relates what happened during the Harlem Renaissance and the early days of professional basketball. One of the best basketball teams that they never heard of played in Harlem during the Harlem Renaissance and into the 1930s, and was the first professional championship team in this nation.
SIMON: Forgive me. What team was that? I know it wasn't the Globetrotters, because they actually...
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: It wasn't the Globetrotters. That's right. The Globetrotters were from Chicago.
SIMON: Right.
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: They used the name Harlem to let people know that they were a black team. But the New York Renaissance Big Five, also known as the Harlem Rens, that was the best team in early professional basketball. Nobody knows their story.
SIMON: Mr. Abdul-Jabbar, been wonderful talking to you. Thanks very much.
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Thank you. It's a pleasure talking to you.
SIMON: Speaking with us from New York, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He's the all-time NBA scoring leader. He's raising funds to find a cure for prostate cancer. Copyright ?1990-2005 National Public Radio?. All rights reserved. No quotes from the materials contained herein may be used in any media without attribution to National Public Radio. This transcript may not be reproduced in whole or in part without prior written permission. For further information, please contact NPR's Rights and Reuse Associate at (202) 513-2030.
Steve Kramer - 18 Dec 2006 23:50 GMT < Now if you want to see a real MAN who has had pca come look at my husb < or send me a SASE and a few dollars and I'll send you a photo.
Er... no thanks. My mirror will do. :-)
> Is Big O the same as Shaq? The Bit O is Oscar Robinson, the best player ever to play the game of basketball outside of Canada.
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Heather - 19 Dec 2006 01:08 GMT > < Now if you want to see a real MAN who has had pca come look at my > husb > < or send me a SASE and a few dollars and I'll send you a photo. > > Er... no thanks. My mirror will do. :-) That cracked me up........
> The Bit O is Oscar Robinson, the best player ever to play the game of > basketball outside of Canada. But this one was even funnier.....even tho no one has a clue what you are talking about. You have a very bizarre sense of humour!!
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Beverley - 18 Dec 2006 23:54 GMT Great! He devote three sentences to prostate cancer in the interview. It takes more than three sentences! Bev (Thank you Leah for putting the transcript up here.)
<SNIP> Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Well, the wristband program is under the auspices of the NBA. And you can go online to nbastore.com and order any of 18 players' wristbands. All the profits will go to cancer research, specifically prostate cancer.
SIMON: Mm-hmm. We'll explain, there are some contemporary stars, like Tony Parker and Tim Duncan and Lebron James; you can get their wristbands, and then...
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Old-timers, like myself.
SIMON: Well, I wasn't going to phrase it that way.
(Soundbite of laughter)
SIMON: But you and Jerry West, who's - my God, a basketball executive, of all things, now; and Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson.
When you talk about prostate cancer, prevention and cure, is it hard to get attention for something like that, when there's so many, for lack of a better word, other maladies that cry out for public attention, when there's so many wristbands, for that matter?
Mr. ABDUL-JABBAR: Well, I think prostate cancer deserves the attention that we're trying to bring to it. Thirty-four percent of all men will have to deal with it in some way or another. And it's very easy to treat, given the fact that early analysis is part of the picture.
SIMON: I have to ask this while we have the chance. Would you still like to coach in the NBA?
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