Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / December 2006
What diet changes have you made since diagnosis?
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WhiteSoxFan - 16 Dec 2006 14:13 GMT First let me wish all of you a Merpy Chanumis.
What changes in diet have you sustained since your diagnosis? For me, I've added Brazil Nuts (for the selenium) to my diet every morning along with my cereal and soy milk. I've increased anti-oxidents such as shiitake mushrooms and dark green veggies, licopenes such as tomato products. Greatly decreased animal fats to where you can almost call me a vegatarian. Increased dark chocolate (yahoo). Oh yeah, I also take a turmuric supp every day.
WhiteSoxFan (go Bears and the Bulls are looking rather good lately)
Claude - 16 Dec 2006 15:10 GMT > First let me wish all of you a Merpy Chanumis. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > WhiteSoxFan (go Bears and the Bulls are looking rather good lately) You will probably get a response or two that none of this is proven, and those responses will be correct. But I'm probably like you in reasoning that they *may* be helping to ward off a recurrence, and if not, they are not hurting, and these changes are not onerous. I also remind myself of something I read early about prostate cancer, and that is that a "prostate-healthy diet" is also a "heart-healthy diet". So by following dietary changes that cardiologists recommend, I *may* be helping ward off a PCa recurrence. I have not adopted anything that makes me feel deprived once I get used to it.
So what am I doing? For years I have not eaten much red meat. But that's no problem--- I prefer chicken anyway. I'm trying to eat more fish for the Omega 3's. I switched to whole wheat bread with Omega 3's added. I try to get a "little" bit of peanut butter. I drink a glass of V8 any day I don't have a tomato based meal coming up. I try to drink 3 cups of green tea a day (I've got to get my liquid from somewhere, and they have some nice flavors of green tea now, along with bottles of flavored, sugar-free iced green tea.). I try to eat at least five different fruits and vegetables a day. I watch, as I have been for many years, my intake of saturated fats. We only use olive oil in our home---no butter or margarine. (You can bake with light olive oil and there is no problem with taste.). We use non-fat sour cream and low fat other foods. The one thing I insist on, however, is my weekly pizza. Pizza is my absolute favorite food, and I will not give it up. For me that's a quality of life issue. Every morning I take the following supplements: Vitamin D, selenium, Vitamin C, B complex, ocuvite, Glucosamine,and a baby aspirin. I no longer take Chondroitin with my Glucosamine because a little bit of research several years ago indicated its presence with metastatic PCa tumors. I also have cut out soy milk, because someone in this forum who seems very knowlegeable about the biochem of PCa (I believe it was Ed Friedman) said there was some linkage between chemicals in soy and the most aggressive of PCa cells. I also walk briskly for a hour a day, seven days a week. I am a healthy 69 (almost) year old.
So that's what I do. I'm convinced that much of the above makes me healthier. Some of it *may* be helping me ward off PCa recurrence. I don't believe any of it is harmful. If it is proven to me that it might be, I will stop (I don't take a Vitamin E supplement anymore outside of what's in the ocuvite.). And none of it makes me feel deprived.
Claude, a Cubs fan living in Western New York <And the Bills are improving and the Sabres are awesome.>
Mary Fisher - 16 Dec 2006 17:32 GMT This is an interesting post, I have to keep reminding myself that you're at the other side of the pond though.
We've always eaten what's no considered an excellent diet (from preference rather than health reasons) so we can't make any changes unless we take supplements and I can't see any point in that.
What I'd like to know is: what is
> ... non-fat sour cream ?
Mary
Claude - 16 Dec 2006 21:14 GMT > This is an interesting post, I have to keep reminding myself that you're > at the other side of the pond though. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >> ... non-fat sour cream I surprised you don't have this in the UK. It's basically imitation sour cream. It's skim milk based. I don't know how they make it. Real sour cream lovers and gourmands are probably horrified by it, but we found it quite acceptable....especially for cooking. Before they came out with that, we used to use plain yoghurt in place of sour cream in cooking. That worked pretty well too. But taste is very much an individual matter.
I.P. Freely - 16 Dec 2006 21:52 GMT > "Mary Fisher" asked >>> ... what is non-fat sour cream [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > we used to use plain yoghurt in place of sour cream in cooking. That worked > pretty well too. But taste is very much an individual matter. Sure is. I FAR prefer the taste of non-fat SC to real SC, 1% milk to whole milk, and seasoned olive oil to butter or margarine. But pizza? There's no substitute.
My dietary changes w/PC? Virtually none except giving up flaxseed oil and cutting back a bit on the walnuts.
I.P.
Claude - 16 Dec 2006 22:27 GMT >> "Mary Fisher" asked >>>> ... what is non-fat sour cream [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I.P. And taste can change too. I used to like the taste of things cooked in butter or margarine. Now I can't stand that taste. Despite all our differences of opinion, IP, we can agree on one thing----PIZZA!
I.P. Freely - 17 Dec 2006 00:03 GMT > Despite all our differences of opinion, IP, we can agree on one > thing----PIZZA! Except that I didn't say I actually ATE the stuff. ;-0
I eat it 3-4 times a year simply because I tend to eat whole large pizzas, and 52 a year would kill me or roll me away.
I.P.
Claude - 17 Dec 2006 00:55 GMT >> Despite all our differences of opinion, IP, we can agree on one >> thing----PIZZA! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I.P. Order a "small". Not many places still have those, but if you find one, when it's all gone, that's all there is. And then you can have another one next week. (We are getting pretty far afield from PCa, but it sure beats getting infuriated about political positions.)
I.P. Freely - 17 Dec 2006 02:58 GMT >>> Despite all our differences of opinion, IP, we can agree on one >>> thing----PIZZA! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > when it's all gone, that's all there is. And then you can have another one > next week. Next week, schnextweek! I do very few things in moderation, and eating has never even come close. When I eat a small pizza, it's as an appetizer before a real meal. JEEEEEZ, but I love to eat! (I've been kicked out of buffets twice.)
I guess it's a good thing I don't eat pizza often.
I.P.
Mary Fisher - 17 Dec 2006 10:25 GMT >>> Despite all our differences of opinion, IP, we can agree on one >>> thing----PIZZA! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > when it's all gone, that's all there is. And then you can have another > one next week. If you make your own (dead easy) you can have whatever size you want.
Mary
Claude - 17 Dec 2006 14:45 GMT >>>> Despite all our differences of opinion, IP, we can agree on one >>>> thing----PIZZA! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mary But that appears to be IP's problem. (Unless, of course, he is saved by a small oven.)
Mary Fisher - 17 Dec 2006 15:30 GMT >>>>> Despite all our differences of opinion, IP, we can agree on one >>>>> thing----PIZZA! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > But that appears to be IP's problem. (Unless, of course, he is saved by a > small oven.) Oh, sorry, I've missed something along the line ... :-)
Mary
Mary Fisher - 17 Dec 2006 10:24 GMT >> What I'd like to know is: what is >> >>> ... non-fat sour cream > > I surprised you don't have this in the UK. It's basically imitation sour > cream. Oh - we might have it, I don't look at artificial 'foods'.
> Real sour > cream lovers and gourmands are probably horrified by it, but we found it > quite acceptable....especially for cooking. I don't use sour cream for cookoing, just as a special topping.
> Before they came out with that, we used to use plain yoghurt in place of > sour cream in cooking. That worked pretty well too. But taste is very > much an individual matter. I found that yoghurt separated when I tried it for cooking so I stopped trying :-)
As you say, taste is an individual matter.
Mary
Glassman@work - 16 Dec 2006 20:46 GMT > First let me wish all of you a Merpy Chanumis. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > WhiteSoxFan (go Bears and the Bulls are looking rather good lately) OK here it comes..... PCa-wise, it doesn't matter one iota what or how you eat. Either eat what you like, what makes you happy, what you THINK is good for you, or whatever will trick you into thinking you're doing something good for yourself. Life is way too short, especially for most of us that are in our 50-70's. With what time I have left, I'm eating steak, lobster, butter, and whipped cream if I want. If it turns out that I could have lived another few months eating tree bark.... well that's a trade off I can live with. Get out there and have a blast everyday you can. Happy holidays, and be well to all!
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Mary Fisher - 17 Dec 2006 10:26 GMT > OK here it comes..... PCa-wise, it doesn't matter one iota what or how > you eat. Either eat what you like, what makes you happy, what you THINK is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > have lived another few months eating tree bark.... well that's a trade off > I can live with. Get out there and have a blast everyday you can. Hurrah!
Mary
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