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New York Times Article - 12/1/06
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From Bob - 01 Dec 2006 13:43 GMT December 1, 2006 SIDE EFFECTS Profit and Questions on Prostate Cancer Therapy By STEPHANIE SAUL The nearly 240,000 men in the United States who will learn they have prostate cancer this year have one more thing to worry about: Are their doctors making treatment decisions on the basis of money as much as medicine? Among several widely used treatments for prostate cancer, one stands out for its profit potential. The approach, a radiation therapy known as I.M.R.T., can mean reimbursement of $47,000 or more a patient. That is many times the fees that urologists make on other accepted treatments for the disease, which include surgery and radioactive seed implants. And it may help explain why urologists have started buying multimillion-dollar I.M.R.T. equipment and software, and why many more are investigating it as a way to increase their incomes. Already, dozens of the nation's 10,000 urologists have purchased the technology for intensity modulated radiation therapy, which is what I.M.R.T. stands for, and some of them are recommending its use for growing numbers of their patients. Critics see a potential conflict of interest on the part of urologists, the specialists who typically help prostate patients choose a course of treatment. The critics say that urologists who can profit from the new form of therapy may be less likely to recommend other proven approaches, which for some older men can involve forgoing treatment altogether. If the patient has insurance, the added expense may not be a concern for him. And like the other treatments, the new therapy can be highly effective. But doctors say that prostate cancer treatments should be tailored to the individual. Compared with seed implants, for example, I.M.R.T. involves a large time commitment, requiring patients to visit a radiation center 45 times over the course of nine weeks. More worrisome for some experts is a concern that the multiple-beam radiation of I.M.R.T. may raise the risk of secondary cancers, although no medical studies have proved such a link. Helping drive the trend is a Texas company, Urorad Healthcare, which sells complete packages of I.M.R.T. technology and services, and hopes to persuade even more urologists to buy them. "Join the Urorad team and let us show your group how Urorad clients double their practice's revenue," the company says in a marketing pitch to doctors on its Web site. Urologists who have purchased the new multiple beam systems say they are embracing a superior way to treat prostate cancer. But because there is little research directly comparing I.M.R.T. with the other treatments, there is little consensus among urologists about which approach is best. That is why some doctors worry that I.M.R.T. may be emerging as yet another example of the way financial incentives can influence medical decisions in this nation's for-profit health care economy. "It's all money-driven, and it's a shame medicine has come down to this," said Dr. Brian Moran, a radiation oncologist in Chicago, who specializes in radioactive-seed implants, in which tiny radioactive pellets are placed into the prostate. His clinic is paid $15,000 or less for the procedure, with the urologist on the case getting about $900. Dr. Eli Glatstein, a professor of radiation oncology at the University of Pennsylvania, said he was concerned that some urologists would steer patients to the new treatment because they owned the technology and could greatly profit from its use. "It's not illegal to do this," Dr. Glatstein said. "That doesn't make it right." I.M.R.T. was introduced in the mid-1990s and has proved useful for delivering multiple beams of radiation to a small area while avoiding healthy tissue. Like other treatments for prostate cancer, though, it has possible side effects, potentially including impotence. The one certainty about I.M.R.T. is that for doctors who own the technology, it can be much more lucrative than alternative treatments. Medicare and other insurers typically pay urologists only $2,000 or less for performing surgery to remove the prostate or for implanting radioactive seeds. The insurers say the much higher I.M.R.T. payments, which in some cases exceed $50,000, are based on the technology's cost. Leslie Norwalk, Medicare's chief administrator, said she was not worried that doctors who invest in I.M.R.T. would use it on patients who require no treatment. "You're just not going to do beam therapy on someone who doesn't need it," Ms. Norwalk said in a telephone interview. But because of the potential conflicts, urologist-owned I.M.R.T. is the type of arrangement that Medicare should be watching, she said. Dr. Juan A. Reyna, president of a San Antonio urology group that was among the first to order I.M.R.T. technology in 2004, said that the revenue opportunities were a factor in the decision to buy it. "These are the kind of things you have to do to be able to maintain yourself in practice," Dr. Reyna said, noting that Medicare has been cutting back payments for other forms of prostate cancer treatment. Dr. Reyna says he recommends the treatment more frequently now because he is convinced of its value. Some other urologists, though, say they are uncomfortable with the I.M.R.T. ownership trend. For example, Dr. Robert Waldbaum of Manhasset, N.Y., said he declined to go along when a large group of Long Island urologists invested in the technology, fearing it might influence his advice to patients. "I felt in my own mind that it would be a conflict of interest to me," said Dr. Waldbaum, the former chairman of urology at North Shore University Hospital, who is in private practice. Varian Medical Systems, a leading maker of the technology, still sells it mainly to hospitals and free-standing radiation oncology centers. But it has sold about 20 I.M.R.T.-capable machines to urology groups, according to a company spokesman, Spencer Sias. Typically, doctor groups pool their money to buy the technology. "There's definitely heightened interest from urology practices in this," Mr. Sias said. Helping drive that interest is Urorad, based in McAllen, Tex., which has been aggressively marketing I.M.R.T. to urologists across the country, who must either hire a radiation oncologist or form a partnership with one. The company helps arrange a complete setup as well as consulting services to calculate radiation doses for patients, with costs to get started estimated at about $3 million. Five Urorad centers are already operating around the country, according to Dr. Mark L. Harrison, the chief executive, who said that contracts had been signed for six more. The majority of prostate cancers are caught early, owing mainly to use of the prostate-specific antigen test. Still, prostate cancer is the second-leading cause of cancer-related deaths in men, after lung cancer. The prostate cancers that are detected early have several treatment alternatives with high success rates among them surgery, radioactive seed implants, and external radiation, like the multiple beam therapy. In some cases, especially for older men, doctors recommend "watchful waiting," or no treatment at all. An estimated 40 percent to 50 percent of men with the disease get surgery, which many doctors still consider the gold standard for a cure. But surgery also carries a risk of incontinence; up to 29 percent of men who have their prostates removed report wearing pads to keep dry, according to one large study. As with surgery and seed implants, men treated with I.M.R.T. run a risk of eventual impotence. A recent study at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, which has conducted much of the early research on the therapy, found that eight years after treatment, 49 percent of men who were potent before treatment developed erectile dysfunction. Compared with surgery, neither seed implants nor I.M.R.T. carry high risks of incontinence, though. And the arguments in favor of the multiple beam therapy include a new research study indicating that urinary complications, like painful urination and a narrowing of the urethra, are lower with I.M.R.T. than with seed implants. Depending on the region of the country, the owner of an office-based I.M.R.T. system can be reimbursed up to $47,000 for a nine-week course of daily treatments, including the physician's fee, which often goes to the radiation oncologist. Medicare and commercial insurers have said the reimbursements are based not only on the cost of the software and equipment, but on the complicated mathematical calculations required in administering the treatments. Yet Dr. Ivan A. Brezovich, a physicist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, said that delivering multiple beam therapy to the prostate was a relatively simple procedure compared with using it on more complex conditions like head and neck cancers. "You can do it almost on an assembly-line basis," Dr. Brezovich said. Medicare, which has reviewed the issue, is scheduled to begin reducing I.M.R.T. reimbursements. For example, reimbursement in the Atlanta area, considered close to the national median, is scheduled to be cut by 8.2 percent, from $39,000 this year to $35,800 in 2007. But because Medicare or another insurer pays for the treatment, cost is often not a factor for patients as they assess their options. Leonard Streim, 58, a clinical psychologist in Deer Park, N.Y., learned he had prostate cancer this year. He said he researched various options, including seed implants and surgery, before deciding on multiple beam treatment, which was covered by his medical insurance. Mr. Streim said his side effects were minimal. "As compared to surgery, as compared to walking around being radioactive, I don't think there's any choice there, at least not for me," he said. His urologist is a member of a large Long Island group, Integrated Medical Professionals, formed in July by 13 different practices with a total of more than 30 doctors. Now the largest urology group on Long Island, it pooled its resources to invest in an image-guided I.M.R.T. system, which uses markers implanted in the prostate to more accurately direct the beams of radiation. Some say that the group's formation has contributed to a shift in prostate cancer treatment in the region. Fewer patients in the area now appear to be getting seed implants, according to Dr. Jay Bosworth, a radiation oncologist involved with another Long Island group of diagnostic and treatment centers whose services include I.M.R.T. According to three hospitals where doctors in the Integrated Medical Professionals group have practiced, about 300 seed procedures were performed in 2005 compared with about 100 this year through mid-October. Dr. Deepak A. Kapoor, Integrated Medical's chief executive, said the downturn in seed implants began before his group's formation, as urologists began to recognize the benefits of I.M.R.T. He denied that financial incentives were a driving force. "All of our physicians are required to discuss all available options with every patient," Dr. Kapoor said. One of Dr. Kapoor's Long Island patients, Daniel Staiano of Massapequa, N.Y., who is covered by Medicare, said he was not concerned to learn that his urologist had a financial stake in the therapy. Mr. Staiano, 75, was one of several patients treated by I.M.R.T. in Plainview, N.Y., who said they suffered only minor side effects after the nine-week course of radiation. "This treatment is fabulous," said Mr. Staiano, a retired tape editor for NBC, who said that his side effects were minimal. "If I ever get cancer again," he said, "this is the way I want to go
From Bob - 01 Dec 2006 15:26 GMT The article places a major emphasis on the economics of treatment. In my case and in most others we are given choices. After reading several books, a number of consultations, and research, i chose IMRT (25 sessions) and palladium seeds, in conjunction with Luperon. No treatment choice is perfect, we each have to determine the best choice and the side effects that we can live with, given the status of the disease. In retrospect the IMRT and Seeds were a good choice in my case, given my age, health status, and Gleason. The side effects of the Luperon appear to be the bigest problem for me, hopefully given enough time, they will diminish. The article fails to mention that we are all in different circumstances, one size does not fit all.
Alan Meyer - 02 Dec 2006 00:54 GMT It's an interesting article and it raises questions that we'd probably rather not face, but have to.
For myself, personally, I would like to choose the treatment that is most likely to give me the outcome I want. I can do that because I have insurance that will pay. If I had to pay out of pocket however there is no way I could ignore the fact that one treatment might cost $40,000 more than another.
In the long run, I'm hoping that the solution to the problem of the high cost of high-tech medicine is still higher tech medicine. I can imagine a machine 50 years from now that has supersophisticated imaging and supersophisticated treatment mechanisms (surgery, radiation, or something else), all wrapped up in one package controlled by a computer that can deliver perfectly targetted treatment with no human intervention. The machine will treat a hundred or a thousand different cancers and conditions and will be manufactured in such large quantity that every doctor's office will have one and the price will be a tenth that of the current machines.
Until then, I guess we'll continue to muddle through and make the hard personal and societal choices as best we can.
Alan
I.P. Freely - 02 Dec 2006 01:24 GMT > In the long run, I'm hoping that the solution to the problem of > the high cost of high-tech medicine is still higher tech [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > computer that can deliver perfectly targetted treatment > with no human intervention. Nanotechnology. Nine years. Buy stock now. ;-)
I.P.
I.P. Freely - 02 Dec 2006 01:01 GMT > > December 1, 2006 > SIDE EFFECTS > Profit and Questions on Prostate Cancer Therapy
> "All of our physicians are required to discuss all available options > with every patient," Dr. Kapoor said. OH, yeah. And I'm sure THAT happens ... like each of their uros covers the pros, cons, and likelihoods thereof for the various surgery, radiation, and medical options -- that's up to a dozen varieties of treatment to be discussed . . . in one 23-minute consult, I'll bet.
I.P.
drdommo - 02 Dec 2006 03:14 GMT > > December 1, 2006 > > SIDE EFFECTS [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I.P. You are correct in that it probably doesnt, but it should. My consults almost always take a minimum of 45 minutes and usually 75 plus minutes. I always hit on obsevation (with curative intent), hormones, radiation (xrt,seeds,combo), cryo, surgery (open and robotic) and usually HIFU.
I do not discuss diet, herbs, vitamins, lap surgery.
I also will not accept a decision from the patient at the time of the consult.
I tell them to figure out what is nest for them, then call with questions or see the radiation doc.
Its not perfect, but I think its the least all of us urologists should do.
One thing that wasn't discussed in the article was that the machines are very expensive and that in most places, the hospitals or radiation centers are making the profits.
drdommo - 02 Dec 2006 03:14 GMT > > December 1, 2006 > > SIDE EFFECTS [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I.P. You are correct in that it probably doesnt, but it should. My consults almost always take a minimum of 45 minutes and usually 75 plus minutes. I always hit on obsevation (with curative intent), hormones, radiation (xrt,seeds,combo), cryo, surgery (open and robotic) and usually HIFU.
I do not discuss diet, herbs, vitamins, lap surgery.
I also will not accept a decision from the patient at the time of the consult.
I tell them to figure out what is nest for them, then call with questions or see the radiation doc.
Its not perfect, but I think its the least all of us urologists should do.
One thing that wasn't discussed in the article was that the machines are very expensive and that in most places, the hospitals or radiation centers are making the profits.
Leonard Evens - 02 Dec 2006 15:54 GMT > > December 1, 2006 [quoted text clipped - 183 lines] > for NBC, who said that his side effects were minimal. "If I ever get > cancer again," he said, "this is the way I want to go I felt the article confused two issues.
The first is the influence of money on the choice of treatment and how companies encourage physicians or groups of physicians to purchase expensive equipment which requires lots of fees to pay for it. This is a serious issue, and too many physicians are setting up their own specalized treatment centers. That increases the cost of treatment. It might mean fewer profits for the companies selling the equipment and for urologists but IMRT equipment, in my opinion, should be restricted to medical centers or specialized radiation treatment centers.
The second issue is the effectiveness of IMRT compared to other treatments which may be less expensive, such as surgery or seeds. IMRT has been shown to be very effective and has some advantages over surgery for many men. I see no fundamental reason why it has to cost as much as it does. It is up to the medical profession, I think, to rein in such costs.
It is a disturbing idea that prostate cancer pateints should be forced to accept treatments which may not suit their needs on the basis of price. Conservatives often argue that patients should bear more of the brunt of medical costs, and that would foster competition and reduce costs. I don't think that is generally true, but this would be a good example. I think that many of us, if we had to pay the costs ourselves, would have to choose seeds, whether or not that would work for us. And, of course, the same thing can happen if insurers, private or public, start insisting on the cheapest choice. I don't know what the real solution to this is, but, as I noted above, I think the medical profession, through its professional societies, should do more to rein in developments based mainly of profit margins of phsicians and equipment manufacturers.
I.P. Freely - 02 Dec 2006 19:44 GMT *S*N*I*P* (HINT!)
> I felt the article confused two issues. > > IMRT equipment, in my opinion, should be restricted to > medical centers or specialized radiation treatment centers. When there's sufficient competition, prices will come down. In the meantime, the rich are paying much of the R&D costs by patronizing the fancy centers, which should please wealth redistribution advocates to no end. It works for NASCAR, Indy, the space program, the fashion industry, electronic gadgetry, and countless other consumer product lines. Why shouldn't Steve Jobs or even Mick Jagger have access to better, more pampered health care than you or I can afford, and isn't it great that they, proportionally more than you and I, are funding medical advances?
> It is up to the medical profession, I think, to rein in such > costs. A CEO's Prime Directive is to maximize stock value and/or profits. Opposing forces include competition, technology advances which lower costs, and insurer and patient and physician rebellion. I doubt we'll see that very latter action soon, given the billions in perks the medical product companies lavish on our doctors for pushing their products, unless the Prescription Drug Safety and Affordability Act passes the Congress AND actually works to take bribery out of the loop. (I've always wondered why CONGRESSIONAL perks seem to survive all the reform efforts, though; if anyone in the military accepted as much as a $10 lunch from a contractor in the past 30-some years, s/he was subject to a court martial. They can't even keep frequent flyer miles or attend a contractor-funded Christmas party.)
> It is a disturbing idea that prostate cancer pateints should be forced > to accept treatments which may not suit their needs on the basis of > price. Why? Everyone of ordinary means has to consider price on everything ELSE he buys. Who on earth's going to foot the bill if all the stops are pulled on every medical case? My daughter's experimental spine transplant so she can stand up straighter and run faster may be priceless to ME, but should YOU and everyone else under your insurance company umbrella be forced to pay a grand a year for it? Last I heard, many doctors and hospitals charge what the individual market (i.e., patient) can bear, once again voluntarily redistributing the wealth without government intervention. Even drug manufacturers give or sell prescription very cheaply to the truly indigent who qualify.
> Conservatives often argue that patients should bear more of the > brunt of medical costs, and that would foster competition and reduce > costs. I don't think that is generally true, but this would be a good > example. Uh, the "patient" -- i.e., citizens -- are the only source of money. Gates' wealth, insurance companies, Snoop Dog and Britney, NASA, the porn industry (I almost mentioned professional sports but porn can buy and sell pro sports), Walmart, etc. . . . all get their bucks from citizens buying their products (or paying taxes). My insurers pay my providers (e.g., surgeons, PTs, CPAP company) about a third to a half of their billed amount, and the provider has to accept it; that implies to me that the insurance companies are already forcing THEIR costs (i.e. MINE) down fairly effectively.
I think that many of us, if we had to pay the costs ourselves,
> would have to choose seeds, whether or not that would work for us. And I bought a Subaru rather than a Maybach. That's life. Almost every one of us could have earned more and spent less and be richer. After all, most millionaires have very ordinary incomes; they just don't spend like the average non-millionaire does.
> I think the medical > profession, through its professional societies, should do more to rein > in developments based mainly of profit margins of phsicians and > equipment manufacturers. Then medicine will stagnate. Why would they bust their humps to produce new technology if there's no reward for it, especially once patents expire on the old stuff and it's made in Kazakhstan for three cents on the dollar?
I'm all for stifling the bribery of our physicians (and Congressmen), but I can't think of a better impetus for overall improvement in our lives than good old capitalism and free choice (aided in many ways by such public endeavors as the quest for outer space). It has proved its value for centuries.
I.P.
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