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New York Times Article - 12/1/06

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From Bob - 01 Dec 2006 13:43 GMT
December 1, 2006
SIDE EFFECTS
Profit and Questions on Prostate Cancer Therapy
By STEPHANIE SAUL
The nearly 240,000 men in the United States who will learn they have
prostate cancer this year have one more thing to worry about: Are their
doctors making treatment decisions on the basis of money as much as
medicine?
Among several widely used treatments for prostate cancer, one stands out
for its profit potential. The approach, a radiation therapy known as
I.M.R.T., can mean reimbursement of $47,000 or more a patient.
That is many times the fees that urologists make on other accepted
treatments for the disease, which include surgery and radioactive seed
implants. And it may help explain why urologists have started buying
multimillion-dollar I.M.R.T. equipment and software, and why many more
are investigating it as a way to increase their incomes.
Already, dozens of the nation's 10,000 urologists have purchased the
technology for intensity modulated radiation therapy, which is what
I.M.R.T. stands for, and some of them are recommending its use for
growing numbers of their patients.
Critics see a potential conflict of interest on the part of urologists,
the specialists who typically help prostate patients choose a course of
treatment. The critics say that urologists who can profit from the new
form of therapy may be less likely to recommend other proven approaches,
which for some older men can involve forgoing treatment altogether.
If the patient has insurance, the added expense may not be a concern for
him. And like the other treatments, the new therapy can be highly
effective. But doctors say that prostate cancer treatments should be
tailored to the individual.
Compared with seed implants, for example, I.M.R.T. involves a large time
commitment, requiring patients to visit a radiation center 45 times over
the course of nine weeks.
More worrisome for some experts is a concern that the multiple-beam
radiation of I.M.R.T. may raise the risk of secondary cancers, although
no medical studies have proved such a link.
Helping drive the trend is a Texas company, Urorad Healthcare, which
sells complete packages of I.M.R.T. technology and services, and hopes
to persuade even more urologists to buy them.
"Join the Urorad team and let us show your group how Urorad clients
double their practice's revenue," the company says in a marketing pitch
to doctors on its Web site.
Urologists who have purchased the new multiple beam systems say they are
embracing a superior way to treat prostate cancer. But because there is
little research directly comparing I.M.R.T. with the other treatments,
there is little consensus among urologists about which approach is best.
That is why some doctors worry that I.M.R.T. may be emerging as yet
another example of the way financial incentives can influence medical
decisions in this nation's for-profit health care economy.
"It's all money-driven, and it's a shame medicine has come down to
this," said Dr. Brian Moran, a radiation oncologist in Chicago, who
specializes in radioactive-seed implants, in which tiny radioactive
pellets are placed into the prostate. His clinic is paid $15,000 or less
for the procedure, with the urologist on the case getting about $900.
Dr. Eli Glatstein, a professor of radiation oncology at the University
of Pennsylvania, said he was concerned that some urologists would steer
patients to the new treatment because they owned the technology and
could greatly profit from its use.
"It's not illegal to do this," Dr. Glatstein said. "That doesn't make it
right."
I.M.R.T. was introduced in the mid-1990s and has proved useful for
delivering multiple beams of radiation to a small area while avoiding
healthy tissue. Like other treatments for prostate cancer, though, it
has possible side effects, potentially including impotence.
The one certainty about I.M.R.T. is that for doctors who own the
technology, it can be much more lucrative than alternative treatments.
Medicare and other insurers typically pay urologists only $2,000 or less
for performing surgery to remove the prostate or for implanting
radioactive seeds. The insurers say the much higher I.M.R.T. payments,
which in some cases exceed $50,000, are based on the technology's cost.
Leslie Norwalk, Medicare's chief administrator, said she was not worried
that doctors who invest in I.M.R.T. would use it on patients who require
no treatment.
"You're just not going to do beam therapy on someone who doesn't need
it," Ms. Norwalk said in a telephone interview.
But because of the potential conflicts, urologist-owned I.M.R.T. is the
type of arrangement that Medicare should be watching, she said.
Dr. Juan A. Reyna, president of a San Antonio urology group that was
among the first to order I.M.R.T. technology in 2004, said that the
revenue opportunities were a factor in the decision to buy it.
"These are the kind of things you have to do to be able to maintain
yourself in practice," Dr. Reyna said, noting that Medicare has been
cutting back payments for other forms of prostate cancer treatment. Dr.
Reyna says he recommends the treatment more frequently now because he is
convinced of its value.
Some other urologists, though, say they are uncomfortable with the
I.M.R.T. ownership trend. For example, Dr. Robert Waldbaum of Manhasset,
N.Y., said he declined to go along when a large group of Long Island
urologists invested in the technology, fearing it might influence his
advice to patients.
"I felt in my own mind that it would be a conflict of interest to me,"
said Dr. Waldbaum, the former chairman of urology at North Shore
University Hospital, who is in private practice.
Varian Medical Systems, a leading maker of the technology, still sells
it mainly to hospitals and free-standing radiation oncology centers. But
it has sold about 20 I.M.R.T.-capable machines to urology groups,
according to a company spokesman, Spencer Sias. Typically, doctor groups
pool their money to buy the technology.
"There's definitely heightened interest from urology practices in this,"
Mr. Sias said.
Helping drive that interest is Urorad, based in McAllen, Tex., which has
been aggressively marketing I.M.R.T. to urologists across the country,
who must either hire a radiation oncologist or form a partnership with
one. The company helps arrange a complete setup as well as consulting
services to calculate radiation doses for patients, with costs to get
started estimated at about $3 million.
Five Urorad centers are already operating around the country, according
to Dr. Mark L. Harrison, the chief executive, who said that contracts
had been signed for six more.
The majority of prostate cancers are caught early, owing mainly to use
of the prostate-specific antigen test. Still, prostate cancer is the
second-leading cause of cancer-related deaths in men, after lung cancer.
The prostate cancers that are detected early have several treatment
alternatives with high success rates — among them surgery, radioactive
seed implants, and external radiation, like the multiple beam therapy.
In some cases, especially for older men, doctors recommend "watchful
waiting," or no treatment at all. An estimated 40 percent to 50 percent
of men with the disease get surgery, which many doctors still consider
the gold standard for a cure. But surgery also carries a risk of
incontinence; up to 29 percent of men who have their prostates removed
report wearing pads to keep dry, according to one large study.
As with surgery and seed implants, men treated with I.M.R.T. run a risk
of eventual impotence. A recent study at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer
Center, which has conducted much of the early research on the therapy,
found that eight years after treatment, 49 percent of men who were
potent before treatment developed erectile dysfunction.
Compared with surgery, neither seed implants nor I.M.R.T. carry high
risks of incontinence, though. And the arguments in favor of the
multiple beam therapy include a new research study indicating that
urinary complications, like painful urination and a narrowing of the
urethra, are lower with I.M.R.T. than with seed implants.
Depending on the region of the country, the owner of an office-based
I.M.R.T. system can be reimbursed up to $47,000 for a nine-week course
of daily treatments, including the physician's fee, which often goes to
the radiation oncologist.
Medicare and commercial insurers have said the reimbursements are based
not only on the cost of the software and equipment, but on the
complicated mathematical calculations required in administering the
treatments.
Yet Dr. Ivan A. Brezovich, a physicist at the University of Alabama at
Birmingham, said that delivering multiple beam therapy to the prostate
was a relatively simple procedure compared with using it on more complex
conditions like head and neck cancers.
"You can do it almost on an assembly-line basis," Dr. Brezovich said.
Medicare, which has reviewed the issue, is scheduled to begin reducing
I.M.R.T. reimbursements. For example, reimbursement in the Atlanta area,
considered close to the national median, is scheduled to be cut by 8.2
percent, from $39,000 this year to $35,800 in 2007.
But because Medicare or another insurer pays for the treatment, cost is
often not a factor for patients as they assess their options.
Leonard Streim, 58, a clinical psychologist in Deer Park, N.Y., learned
he had prostate cancer this year. He said he researched various options,
including seed implants and surgery, before deciding on multiple beam
treatment, which was covered by his medical insurance.
Mr. Streim said his side effects were minimal.
"As compared to surgery, as compared to walking around being
radioactive, I don't think there's any choice there, at least not for
me," he said.
His urologist is a member of a large Long Island group, Integrated
Medical Professionals, formed in July by 13 different practices with a
total of more than 30 doctors. Now the largest urology group on Long
Island, it pooled its resources to invest in an image-guided I.M.R.T.
system, which uses markers implanted in the prostate to more accurately
direct the beams of radiation. Some say that the group's formation has
contributed to a shift in prostate cancer treatment in the region.
Fewer patients in the area now appear to be getting seed implants,
according to Dr. Jay Bosworth, a radiation oncologist involved with
another Long Island group of diagnostic and treatment centers whose
services include I.M.R.T.
According to three hospitals where doctors in the Integrated Medical
Professionals group have practiced, about 300 seed procedures were
performed in 2005 compared with about 100 this year through mid-October.
Dr. Deepak A. Kapoor, Integrated Medical's chief executive, said the
downturn in seed implants began before his group's formation, as
urologists began to recognize the benefits of I.M.R.T. He denied that
financial incentives were a driving force.
"All of our physicians are required to discuss all available options
with every patient," Dr. Kapoor said.
One of Dr. Kapoor's Long Island patients, Daniel Staiano of Massapequa,
N.Y., who is covered by Medicare, said he was not concerned to learn
that his urologist had a financial stake in the therapy.
Mr. Staiano, 75, was one of several patients treated by I.M.R.T. in
Plainview, N.Y., who said they suffered only minor side effects after
the nine-week course of radiation.
"This treatment is fabulous," said Mr. Staiano, a retired tape editor
for NBC, who said that his side effects were minimal. "If I ever get
cancer again," he said, "this is the way I want to go
From Bob - 01 Dec 2006 15:26 GMT
The article places a major emphasis on the economics of treatment. In my
case and in most others we are given  choices.
After reading several books, a number of consultations, and research, i
chose IMRT (25 sessions) and palladium seeds,
in conjunction with Luperon. No treatment choice is perfect, we each
have to determine the best choice and the side effects that we can live
with, given the status of the disease. In retrospect the IMRT and Seeds
were a good choice in my case, given my age, health status, and Gleason.
The side effects of the Luperon appear to be the bigest problem for me,
hopefully given enough time, they will  diminish. The article fails to
mention that we are all in different circumstances, one size does not
fit all.
Alan Meyer - 02 Dec 2006 00:54 GMT
It's an interesting article and it raises questions that we'd
probably rather not face, but have to.

For myself, personally, I would like to choose the treatment
that is most likely to give me the outcome I want.  I can do
that because I have insurance that will pay.   If I had to pay
out of pocket however there is no way I could ignore the fact
that one treatment might cost $40,000 more than another.

In the long run, I'm hoping that the solution to the problem of
the high cost of high-tech medicine is still higher tech
medicine.  I can imagine a machine 50 years from now
that has supersophisticated imaging and supersophisticated
treatment mechanisms (surgery, radiation, or something
else), all wrapped up in one package controlled by a
computer that can deliver perfectly targetted treatment
with no human intervention.  The machine will treat a hundred
or a thousand different cancers and conditions and will
be manufactured in such large quantity that every doctor's
office will have one and the price will be a tenth that of the
current machines.

Until then, I guess we'll continue to muddle through and
make the hard personal and societal choices as best we
can.

   Alan
I.P. Freely - 02 Dec 2006 01:24 GMT
> In the long run, I'm hoping that the solution to the problem of
> the high cost of high-tech medicine is still higher tech
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> computer that can deliver perfectly targetted treatment
> with no human intervention.  

Nanotechnology.
Nine years.
Buy stock now. ;-)

I.P.
I.P. Freely - 02 Dec 2006 01:01 GMT
>      
> December 1, 2006
> SIDE EFFECTS
> Profit and Questions on Prostate Cancer Therapy

> "All of our physicians are required to discuss all available options
> with every patient," Dr. Kapoor said.

OH, yeah. And I'm sure THAT happens ... like each of their uros covers
the pros, cons, and likelihoods thereof for the various surgery,
radiation, and medical options -- that's up to a dozen varieties of
treatment to be discussed . . . in one 23-minute consult, I'll bet.

I.P.
drdommo - 02 Dec 2006 03:14 GMT
> > December 1, 2006
> > SIDE EFFECTS
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> I.P.

You are correct in that it probably doesnt, but it should.
My consults almost always take a minimum of 45 minutes and usually 75
plus minutes.
I always hit on obsevation (with curative intent), hormones, radiation
(xrt,seeds,combo), cryo, surgery (open and robotic) and usually HIFU.

I do not discuss diet, herbs, vitamins, lap surgery.

I also will not accept a decision from the patient at the time of the
consult.

I tell them to figure out what is nest for them, then call with
questions or see the radiation doc.

Its not perfect, but I think its the least all of us urologists should
do.

One thing that wasn't discussed in the article was that the machines
are very expensive and that in most places, the hospitals or radiation
centers are making the profits.
drdommo - 02 Dec 2006 03:14 GMT
> > December 1, 2006
> > SIDE EFFECTS
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> I.P.

You are correct in that it probably doesnt, but it should.
My consults almost always take a minimum of 45 minutes and usually 75
plus minutes.
I always hit on obsevation (with curative intent), hormones, radiation
(xrt,seeds,combo), cryo, surgery (open and robotic) and usually HIFU.

I do not discuss diet, herbs, vitamins, lap surgery.

I also will not accept a decision from the patient at the time of the
consult.

I tell them to figure out what is nest for them, then call with
questions or see the radiation doc.

Its not perfect, but I think its the least all of us urologists should
do.

One thing that wasn't discussed in the article was that the machines
are very expensive and that in most places, the hospitals or radiation
centers are making the profits.
Leonard Evens - 02 Dec 2006 15:54 GMT
>      
> December 1, 2006
[quoted text clipped - 183 lines]
> for NBC, who said that his side effects were minimal. "If I ever get
> cancer again," he said, "this is the way I want to go

I felt the article confused two issues.

The first is the influence of money on the choice of treatment and how
companies encourage physicians or groups of physicians to purchase
expensive equipment which requires lots of fees to pay for it.   This is
a serious issue, and too many physicians are setting up their own
specalized treatment centers.  That increases the cost of treatment.  It
might mean fewer profits for the companies selling the equipment and for
urologists but IMRT equipment, in my opinion, should be restricted to
medical centers or specialized radiation treatment centers.

The second issue is the effectiveness of IMRT compared to other
treatments which may be less expensive, such as surgery or seeds.  IMRT
has been shown to be very effective and has some advantages over surgery
for many men.  I see no fundamental reason why it has to cost as much as
it does.  It is up to the medical profession, I think, to rein in such
costs.

It is a disturbing idea that prostate cancer pateints should be forced
to accept treatments which may not suit their needs on the basis of
price.   Conservatives often argue that patients should bear more of the
brunt of medical costs, and that would foster competition and reduce
costs.  I don't think that is generally true, but this would be a good
example.  I think that many of us, if we had to pay the costs ourselves,
would have to choose seeds, whether or not that would work for us.  And,
of course, the same thing can happen if insurers, private or public,
start insisting on the cheapest choice.  I don't know what the real
solution to this is, but, as I noted above, I think the medical
profession, through its professional societies, should do more to rein
in developments based mainly of profit margins of phsicians and
equipment manufacturers.
I.P. Freely - 02 Dec 2006 19:44 GMT
*S*N*I*P* (HINT!)

> I felt the article confused two issues.
>
> IMRT equipment, in my opinion, should be restricted to
> medical centers or specialized radiation treatment centers.

When there's sufficient competition, prices will come down. In the
meantime, the rich are paying much of the R&D costs by patronizing the
fancy centers, which should please wealth redistribution advocates to no
end. It works for NASCAR, Indy, the space program, the fashion industry,
electronic gadgetry, and countless other consumer product lines. Why
shouldn't Steve Jobs or even Mick Jagger have access to better, more
pampered health care than you or I can afford, and isn't it great that
they, proportionally more than you and I, are funding medical advances?

> It is up to the medical profession, I think, to rein in such
> costs.

A CEO's Prime Directive is to maximize stock value and/or profits.
Opposing forces include competition, technology advances which lower
costs, and insurer and patient and physician rebellion. I doubt we'll
see that very latter action soon, given the billions in perks the
medical product companies lavish on our doctors for pushing their
products, unless the Prescription Drug Safety and Affordability Act
passes the Congress AND actually works to take bribery out of the loop.
(I've always wondered why CONGRESSIONAL perks seem to survive all the
reform efforts, though; if anyone in the military accepted as much as a
$10 lunch from a contractor in the past 30-some years, s/he was subject
to a court martial. They can't even keep frequent flyer miles or attend
a contractor-funded Christmas party.)

> It is a disturbing idea that prostate cancer pateints should be forced
> to accept treatments which may not suit their needs on the basis of
> price.

Why? Everyone of ordinary means has to consider price on everything ELSE
he buys. Who on earth's going to foot the bill if all the stops are
pulled on every medical case? My daughter's experimental spine
transplant so she can stand up straighter and run faster may be
priceless to ME, but should YOU and everyone else under your insurance
company umbrella be forced to pay a grand a year for it? Last I heard,
many doctors and hospitals charge what the individual market (i.e.,
patient) can bear, once again voluntarily redistributing the wealth
without government intervention. Even drug manufacturers give or sell
prescription very cheaply to the truly indigent who qualify.

> Conservatives often argue that patients should bear more of the
> brunt of medical costs, and that would foster competition and reduce
> costs.  I don't think that is generally true, but this would be a good
> example.

Uh, the "patient" -- i.e., citizens -- are the only source of money.
Gates' wealth, insurance companies, Snoop Dog and Britney, NASA, the
porn industry (I almost mentioned professional sports but porn can buy
and sell pro sports), Walmart, etc. . . . all get their bucks from
citizens buying their products (or paying taxes). My insurers pay my
providers (e.g., surgeons, PTs, CPAP company) about a third to a half of
their billed amount, and the provider has to accept it; that implies to
me that the insurance companies are already forcing THEIR costs (i.e.
MINE) down fairly effectively.

  I think that many of us, if we had to pay the costs ourselves,
> would have to choose seeds, whether or not that would work for us.

And I bought a Subaru rather than a Maybach. That's life. Almost every
one of us could have earned more and spent less and be richer. After
all, most millionaires have very ordinary incomes; they just don't spend
like the average non-millionaire does.

> I think the medical
> profession, through its professional societies, should do more to rein
> in developments based mainly of profit margins of phsicians and
> equipment manufacturers.

Then medicine will stagnate. Why would they bust their humps to produce
new technology if there's no reward for it, especially once patents
expire on the old stuff and it's made in Kazakhstan for three cents on
the dollar?

I'm all for stifling the bribery of our physicians (and Congressmen),
but I can't think of a better impetus for overall improvement in our
lives than good old capitalism and free choice (aided in many ways by
such public endeavors as the quest for outer space). It has proved its
value for centuries.

I.P.
 
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