OK… I know I shot my mouth off a year ago out here saying, “ I'll never
stick a needle in my dick no matter how much I'd like an erection.” Well -
“too soon old - too late schmart” - never say never.
I just passed my 2nd RP anniversary - thanking my Higher Power that I'm
cancer free and dry as a desert - but, “willy” still don't get much more
than a tiny bit of engorgement with LOT'S of passion - and, just a tad bit
more than that with any of the 3 flavors of sex candy - barely penetrable at
best… I fumbled around with a cheap pump, but I could just never get used
to it. Fun to watch him grow a tad and get red as a beet - but, not much
help during the course of “gettin' it on”…. (Which was just fine as I have
a wonderful partner that claims she is enjoying our love making even with a
“wee willy.” (lol)
However, that doesn't seem to be enough for Tarzan. (“Me Tarzan. You Jane.
Me want to be hard.” (lol) So, after reading all the old posts on here
that I could find about the pros and cons of INJECTIONS, I had an
appointment with my Urologist staff (nurses), today, to learn how to INJECT
myself with Edex. Despite my pleas to try a “minimal” dose first - the
nurse demanded that I use 10 of the 20 mcg that came in the vial. The shot
was as you guys have suggested - very easy and almost painless - even though
the needle was a LOT longer than I could have imagined. However, for the
next two hours I experienced the most horrific pain I have had since the day
after RP - worse, actually… The medication created the most magnificent
erection (it might have been a tad shorter, however, slightly bent forward)
- but, was excruciatingly painful… My plans for “showing off” my new toy
were replaced with immediate use of Sudafed, ice packs and inappropriate
language…
I know you guys that have used and/or are using shots mentioned “some” pain
- but, I didn't think you were talking about mind altering pain.. (I didn't
want to think, watch TV, eat, move, talk, let alone have sex - just wanted
the pain to subside…) So, where do you guys think all that pain came from:
1) The medication? (If so - will it get better?)
2) The fact that this is the first full erection I've had in over 2 years?
3) The shorter urethra?
I know this topic has been discussed many times before, but I can't find
them all.. Any recommendations now that I'm willing to prick myself????
Thanks,
Paul
Age: 65
10/04: PSA = 10.4,12 needle biopsy - Gleason 7 (“in a few samples”), T1C
11/04: RP “looks like we got it” - sparing one and a half bundles of nerves
07/06: PSA = less than 0.1
11/06: Good bladder control - STILL no erections
Steve Kramer - 29 Nov 2006 11:11 GMT
> Despite my pleas to try a "minimal" dose first - the
> nurse demanded that I use 10 of the 20 mcg that came in the vial.
> So, where do you guys think all that pain came from:
The first place I'd look is at the using "10 of the 20 mcg that came in the
vial." When I was shooting up, I was told to start with 10% of what was in
the vial.
Although, I was using something else, so maybe the nurse was correct. If
that is the case, maybe there was an allergic reaction or the cells in your
penis just went nuts after no use in the last two years.

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tchtic@yahoo.com - 29 Nov 2006 11:56 GMT
> after RP - worse, actually... The medication created the most magnificent
> erection (it might have been a tad shorter, however, slightly bent forward)
...
> 11/06: Good bladder control - STILL no erections
I'm hearing the "Ride of the Valkyries", cranked up big on the 5.1 and
I'm giving you the "Clenched Fist" power salute!!!
I realize that "this" isn't the top priority for some women but most
would be smiling for you as you swagger toward them.
-kh, use less, next time.
callalily - 29 Nov 2006 15:47 GMT
Dear Paul,
Hope you don't mind hearing from a woman about this but I have
practically been a one-person advt'g agency for injections (see my
posts on trimix and "sex after surgery"). So I am a true believer and
can say for myself I'm glad my husband went to the trouble of doing
this. Only thing he has expressed concern about is that if a doctor or
anyone else will sees his penis they might think he's a drug addict.
Based on our experience I have some ideas on what might have happened
to you.
There are different medications used for this purpose and they vary in
how well they are tolerated. The ones that have more alprostadil may
cause pain, such as burning (e.g. Caverject). I looked up Edex and it
only mentioned having that one ingredient so you may have to trade up
to trimix or bimix which don't seem to cause that problem. But they
have to be custom-mixed by a pharmacist. This is why some doctors don't
bother to prescribe them. However, it is no big deal to get them
"compounded" -- I saw a post yesterday on how you can even order it by
mail. I don't remember seeing a single post by any man who had burning
with these two drugs. And, as for the extra cost, my husband's 90
doses cost about $120 so don't worry about it. (I know under the "Sex
after Surgery" series I mentioned a study done at the Cleveland Clinic
in which compliance w/injections went up dramatically (I think to 100%)
after other ingredients were substituted for alprostadil
(prostaglandin)).
Despite my pleas to try a "minimal" dose first - the
> nurse demanded that I use 10 of the 20 mcg that came in the vial. The shot
> was as you guys have suggested - very easy and almost painless - even though
> the needle was a LOT longer than I could have imagined.
I know different men use different needles. Check this out. There is
a lively discussion of this online. There is also something called an
"autoinjector" where you don't have to plunge in the needle yourself.
However, for the
> next two hours I experienced the most horrific pain I have had since the day
> after RP - worse, actually...
The only pain my husband told me about was that after the first time,
when the doctor gave him a shot at around 10am, he went to work, had an
erection for about 4 hrs. and felt "sore", not miserable. In my husb's
case the first dose was much too high so this might have been part of
the problem (you really have to experiment before you get it right).
Also, according to my husband, if you get an erection and let's say for
whatever reason you don't take advantage of it, you might get sore
(happened to him again, only once). Otherwise it should not be
painful.
The medication created the most magnificent
> erection (it might have been a tad shorter, however, slightly bent forward)
Yes, the meds create some real hall-of-famers but hyperinflation is not
healthy in the long run.
> - but, was excruciatingly painful... My plans for "showing off" my new toy
> were replaced with immediate use of Sudafed, ice packs and inappropriate
> language...
I thought I knew something about priapism -- was baptized by fire when
I experienced it with him a few times altho never to the pt. of having
to go to the ER. Thank god.
I gave him a couple of ice packs at the time. But a few people in
another grp said this is the worst thing you can do for this problem.
One suggested a hot bath, also walking down stairs, and I don't
remember what else but NO ICE! (I think this discussion was on one of
the prostate pointers MLs, RP maybe, but I don't know if the archives
are available).
> 1)The medication? (If so - will it get better?)
My bet is it was the med. And maybe the dose.
> 2) The fact that this is the first full erection I've had in over 2 years?
> 3) The shorter urethra?
never heard of this.
> I know this topic has been discussed many times before, but I can't find
> them all.. Any recommendations now that I'm willing to prick myself????
The best thing if at all possible is for someone in your position to
see an ED specialist. I live in NYC where there are a lot of doctors
and I couldn't find too many of them -- apparently this is not a very
"sexy" specialty. My husband started out by seeing two ED specialists.
Both recommended Caverject but never actually got around to giving it
to him. Lucky. As mentioned above, this drug can cause burning and so
I don't see why he or any man should have to settle for second-best
when there are much better drugs around which don't exactly cause a
fortune.
On the third try, my husband got to a well-known ED doctor who gave him
trimix (even prepares it himself so you don't have to go to the pharm).
Husb has had no problems with this. Somebody who has more experience
working with these drugs is preferable to a generalist.
I wrote a long post last week on suggesting how you can find an ED
specialist so you could look that up or go to sexhealthmatters.org.
They have top people there.
Just keep on with the prickpricks. You will not regret it.
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
pmoore11@columbus.rr.com - 01 Dec 2006 15:00 GMT
Thanks to all for your very considerate advice. This is what I think I'm
going to do:
1) RELAX!!
2) I'm scared to death to even approach that horrific pain again - but, I'm
going to take Steve's advice, first, and try only 10% of the other 20 mcg
vial of Edex (which looks like it is a mixture of alprostadil, cyclodextrin,
lactose & sodium choride (Salt?? For flavoring, I assume. Please no
pepper... (lol)
3) If that doesn't work, I'll take callalily's advice and locate a
competent ED in my area - as, my Urologist's office has refused to return my
painful call for help and advice all week... Which, in a way, is OK with
me. It just might be their way of saying, "Hey, we cured you of cancer and
left you "bone" dry - go find a dick doc..."
And, thanks to the ladies who suggested that my partner just might be "soft
soaping" me a little bit about sex being completely satisfying with
"wee-willy"... I did notice when I mentioned your comments to her that she
reached for that bottle of soap, again, "Well, I can't imagine it any
better than it is, now. I'd probably explode!" (I think maybe I should
nominate her for BS Artist of the Year??? (lol)
Thanks, again,
Paul
tchtic@yahoo.com - 01 Dec 2006 19:58 GMT
> soaping" me a little bit about sex being completely satisfying with
> "wee-willy"...
Try this.... Find a counter or table at the right height, she's on
her back with her hips near the edge, a pillow or two will help make
this comfortable. You stand at the counter. Take wee-willy in your
hand and nuzzle her. Either up and down or side to side, which-ever
she prefers.
The lights are low, maybe have a candle or two lit, soft music plays.
Even if you're limp, the smooth head may provide a good experience for
her. Rub her with your tip. It's not always about penetration.
You may find that between her moans and sighs, that wonderful sight,
wet squishing sounds, womanly perfume, and the slipperiness, that you
have more firmness than usual. If so, well, you know what to do.
-kh