I think you are limited to just two people......probably because it is
quite expensive in the US.  Bev's husband had straight seeding.

Anyway, my husband had HDR + 25 EBRT done in August of 2003 in Toronto
at Sunnybrook Hospital's Cancer Care Centre, and Alan Meyer had it done
a bit later in the US.  (I can't tell where you are because you use Web
TV.)

My husband (Ron) had a 4+3 Gleason and a PSA of 10 or 11 (two different
doctors).  But I will write him directly, if he would like that.

Heather.....

Hey, Bill!!!  It's been over a years since you let us know how you're doing.
You didn't even stop by for your 5th anniversary!  Is your PSA still
registering in the thousandths?

As to your friend, his age is a factor as is Gleason and PSA.

I think he is talking about a combination of therapies, but soon other rad
experts will fill in the blanks.

Good to hear from you.

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

Bill, caution your friend to be careful of his sources. I am very
encouraged that he has "done reading and research", and urge him to
weight that much more heavily than he weights anecdotal experiences from
real or virtual buddies, especially if they are obtained privately and
thus are not subjected to peer review such as this forum can provide.
All your friend has to do to get hooked up with this forum is call his ISP.

Open and laparoscopic surgery and seed or external radiation are all
solid, well-studied treatments heavily documented in the literature
based on scores of thousands of patients tracked over 5, 10, 15, even
close to 20 years. This huge body of evidence provides by far the best
data we have for choosing our treatment based on expected benefits and
side effects. What some dude or ten dudes experienced means nothing to
your friend's likelihood of good or bad results, and he must realize
that some patients' or families' claims differ dramatically from what
their DOCTORS would say about the same case.

Your friend's reading (PC books, websites such as universities and
hospitals and similar recognized institutions, and studies uncovered by
Google but taken with blocks of salt) and circumstances (e.g., PSA,
PSAV, rectal exam results, Gleason grade, clinical stage, age, health,
side effect priorities) will help him rule out some treatments and favor
others to narrow down the options. I decided I had studied enough when
-- and not one hour before -- my circumstances clearly narrowed my
options from the 5-6 listed above to one very specific treatment, and I
suspect that many other patients can reach that same point with a
reasonable amount of study. Each treatment has its own suite of benefits
and SEs which often provide some optimal match with the patient's suite
of circumstances. Joe Blow's outcome, good or bad, shouldn't override
that, and Joe Blow's OWN LAYMAN'S OPINION of his outcome and prognosis
matters even less to your friend.

I.P.

Hope this is not too elementary for you all but this topic is new to
me.  I looked in malecare.org and they seem to have a couple of
reliable articles on the subject (re 2 types of bcr).  Apparently the
chairman of intel had this done back in 1996 and wrote about it in
Fortune Mag.   Also, prostatecancerfoundation.org (Michael Milken site)
is a good reference site because they have more money than any pca
charity.  Just went by there and they have a free booklet on nutrition
and pca that you can download, btw.  Above org. has supported 1200
researchers in 100 diff. institutions and I am hoping that any day now
they will find the Cure. --  Also, the above 2 orgs. do not accept any
money from drug/healthcare-related companies although PCF is sponsored
by Major league Baseball.

Go Cards.

LFC