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Roy - 24 Oct 2006 16:58 GMT
This group was recently discovered, past messages searched and a lot of
valuable input from the participants relevant to my current situation
was found ... Thank You! What appears to be different is in a short
period my PSA more than doubled, went further high and now appears to
be lower. I am 62-years old and the data is:

1993-2005 PSA = 1.00 +- 0.10 Range, DREs normal

09/11/2006 PSA = 2.37, DRE Normal
10/11/2006 PSA = 3.70
10/18/2006 PSA = 2.90
10/18/2006 PSA Free 0.40 (13.8%)

My first appointment with an Urologist is on 11/06/2006. The 10/11/2006
3.70 reading was done with a battery of other blood tests (chem-panel,
CBC, etc.) all of which were normal for me.

Could it have been wrong?
Could it be an indication I experienced some form of infection that has
now peaked and is on the way down?
Other possibilities or comments?

Thank you for any responses.
Roy
Leonard Evens - 24 Oct 2006 18:33 GMT
> This group was recently discovered, past messages searched and a lot of
> valuable input from the participants relevant to my current situation
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Could it be an indication I experienced some form of infection that has
> now peaked and is on the way down?

That is certainly possible.   You really have to discuss this with your
urologist.  He may decide to try an antibiotic and wait to do more PSA
testing or he may suggest doing a biopsy now.  In the latter case, don't
be specially fearful.  Biopsies, if done properly, are safe and need not
be specially painful.  If you do in fact have prostate cancer, you want
to find out now when it is probably curable rather than waiting.

> Other possibilities or comments?
>
> Thank you for any responses.
> Roy
Steve Kramer - 25 Oct 2006 02:34 GMT
> This group was recently discovered, past messages searched and a lot of
> valuable input from the participants relevant to my current situation
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Thank you for any responses.
> Roy

Yes, it could have been wrong.
Yes, it could have been an infection.
Other possibilities (probabilities) is any of a few benign prostate
problems.

You need to have it checked out, of course, but it is likely, and my fervent
hope, that you will not be able to join our group.  Besides, we have enough
Roys.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

Alan Meyer - 26 Oct 2006 00:01 GMT
Roy,

Prostatitis and benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH) are both
possible causes of rising PSA.  "Prostatitis" just means
inflammation of the prostate.  It can be caused by infection
or by mineral deposits in the ducts, or possibly by other
causes.  It is not well understood and often not easily
treated - but it's not life threatening and often causes little
or no pain.

As I understand it, BPH is a cancer like growth of prostate
tissue, but it is completely benign in that the growing cells
have no ability to metastasize outside the prostate and
create a life threatening situation.  Its main effect on the
patient can be to put pressure on the urethra and make
urination more difficult and/or more frequent.  There are
treatments that can alleviate those problems if they occur.

If the uro asks you to try a course of antibiotics, I recommend
that you ask him if he will do a urine culture instead.  It is
less invasive (you pee in a bottle and he sends it to a lab
to culture it and count bacteria) and should tell you if you
have a bacterial infection.  More often than not, prostatitis
is NOT caused by infection and you may avoid an
unnecesary course of antibiotics.  If the culture comes
back positive, then treatment is probably a good idea and
may well bring your PSA back down.

Finally, it is believed by many that PSA tests can be
significantly affected by stress on the prostate before the
blood draw.  If you had sex in past 48 hours, and possibly
if you had a DRE (there is some debate about that), your
PSA may have been artificially high just due to that.  That
might well account for your 3.7 followed by 2.9.

Good luck.

   Alan
pcis@775.net - 31 Oct 2006 04:42 GMT
> This group was recently discovered, past messages searched and a lot of
> valuable input from the participants relevant to my current situation
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Thank you for any responses.
> Roy

10/30/2006 Update:

I live in a high growth area under-staffed of medical professionals.
With some polite bugging, I was able to get my first urologist
appointment moved up one week to this morning. The doctor quickly could
tell I had researched the situation and recommended a prostate biopsy,
it is scheduled for 11/28/2006 and I will post the results here then.

Thank you for your responses sharing your experiences and kind
thoughts. I am handling the uncertainty well due largely to my medical
history. At the age of 24, I was diagnosed with Hodgkin's Disease and
am a 38-year cancer survivor. If I could lick that with the tools and
knowledge that were available in 1968, I believe whatever the future
holds things will work out and hope things will work out for everyone
in this caring group.

Roy
Steve Kramer - 31 Oct 2006 15:00 GMT
>> This group was recently discovered, past messages searched and a lot of
>> valuable input from the participants relevant to my current situation
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> holds things will work out and hope things will work out for everyone
> in this caring group.

Where do you live, if you don't mind me asking?  My high PSA was October 17
and my uro visit later and my biopsy was November 1 (all in 2000).  But then
my PSA was 16 and my DRE was abnormal.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

Roy - 01 Nov 2006 05:21 GMT
Steve,

> Where do you live, if you don't mind me asking?

Reno-Sparks Nevada. My insurance offered two urology groups, one with
2-doctors and one with 4-doctors. I choose the 4-doctors and when I
went for my first appointment on Monday morning there were 20-people in
the waiting room.

Roy
Steve Kramer - 01 Nov 2006 13:23 GMT
> Steve,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> went for my first appointment on Monday morning there were 20-people in
> the waiting room.

Sounds almost like a clinic!

Hopefully, they have a plan for first-time patients and another for those
that are in treatment and that the latter is spaced out more efficiently.
Though, I have to admit that I had to wait for my uro for one hour a couple
of weeks ago.  But that is an anomaly.

BTW, when I say "treatment", I mean for whatever ails you.  I think you have
a prostate problem, but not necessarily cancer.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

Roy - 02 Dec 2006 03:52 GMT
Follow-Up:

On 11/28/2006 I had a Trans-Rectal Prostate Biopsy. The only problem
was taking a strong antibiotic on an empty stomach. Today 12/01/2006 I
got the results - no cancer. The Urologist asked for a regular PSA and
follow-up in six-months.

I know I am very fortunate and wish everyone here the best.

Roy
I.P. Freely - 02 Dec 2006 05:16 GMT
> Follow-Up:
>
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>
> I know I am very fortunate and wish everyone here the best.

Isn't this like the skinny guy attending the Weight Watchers' Club meeting?

Just kiddin', Roy; its great to hear from those who got halfway there
and beat it the EASY way -- just TELLING it to go to hell. Let's hope it
listens for another 30 years for you.

I.P.
Steve Kramer - 03 Dec 2006 00:33 GMT
> Follow-Up:
>
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>
> I know I am very fortunate and wish everyone here the best.

I'm sure you'll understand that we need your VISITOR pass.

Congratulations!!!
 
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