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"Vegetables Increase Risk of Cancer"

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callalily - 04 Oct 2006 23:44 GMT
(This appeared in psa-rising.com, will be pub in Cancer Causes Control,
Nov. 06)

"Healthy diet associated with pca diagnosis, study finds"

The article says, "men who eat more fruits and vegetables are more
likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer.  This finding from a large
Los Angeles study to be published next month in the journal Cancer
Causes Control suggests that well-nourished, health-conscious men are
more likely to take psa tests for early detection of cancer.  At the
same time, diet did not protect them from developing this cancer nor
did it affect the cancer grade."

."..Modestly increased risks of prostate cancer were observed in higher
intakes of several food items including light green lettuce and dark
green leafy vegetables."

Some of us who eat whatever we want knew this all along, didnt we.

Research does show that eating pink-red food is good for you.  So keep
on drinking that pomegranate juice boys.

Best of health to you all.

Leah
ron - 05 Oct 2006 00:36 GMT
> (This appeared in psa-rising.com, will be pub in Cancer Causes Control,
> Nov. 06)
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>
> Leah

This is another one of those papers that should never have been
published.  It pains me that my tax dollars may have supported this
"research."  The authors left so many variables unseparated, so many
biases built in, that nothing can be learned from the study.  As the
author's state, "A possible explanation for the positive associations
with risk of several of the foods normally considered to be healthy is
detection bias, since 'healthy' dietary intake was related to
greater use of the PSA test."  So what have we learned from this?
Certainly not that healthy diet correlates with an increased -
incidence - of PCa...Best wishes and good health, ron
Alex - 05 Oct 2006 16:16 GMT
>> (This appeared in psa-rising.com, will be pub in Cancer Causes Control,
>> Nov. 06)
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> Certainly not that healthy diet correlates with an increased -
> incidence - of PCa...Best wishes and good health, ron

I'd be willing to bet that men who wear suits are more more likely to be
diagnosed with prostate cancer. Ditto men who are employed by large
companies, men who drive a BMW or Lexus, men who fly first class, holders of
gold or platinum credit cards, etc. -- in other words, men who are likely to
have the money for very good medical care.

Alex
I.P. Freely - 05 Oct 2006 00:40 GMT
> well-nourished, health-conscious men are
> more likely to take psa tests for early detection of cancer.

Which, we presume, explains their higher incidence of diagnosed PC.

I.P.
Slitheen - 05 Oct 2006 01:49 GMT
>> Research does show that eating pink-red food is good for you.  So keep
> on drinking that pomegranate juice boys.
>
> Best of health to you all.
>
> Leah

I, my Mum and more importantly my Dad is totally convinced that Pomegranate
extract and juice complimented his radiotherapy and played a significant
part in his recovery. His tumour was originally midway on the Gleeson scale
(a tiger?)and has been, thankfully, successful in his treatment. It is over
a year ago now since he finished his radiotherapy....and no sign of his PC
returning....just a consistently dropping PSA result (0.2 and falling). He
took extract and juice both twice daily from his initial diagnoses, through
his 'conventional' treatment, and continues to do so. We're all convinced of
its benefit here.
Slitheen - 05 Oct 2006 02:01 GMT
>....just a consistently dropping PSA result (0.2 and falling).

Oh, I should point out that when he was diagnosed it was between 6-7.
I.P. Freely - 05 Oct 2006 02:51 GMT
> I, my Mum and more importantly my Dad is totally convinced that Pomegranate
> extract and juice complimented his radiotherapy and played a significant
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> his 'conventional' treatment, and continues to do so. We're all convinced of
> its benefit here.

I've drunk milk and eaten peanut butter every day since my RP. I'm
totally convinced that combination has kept my PSA virtually
unmeasurable. It also eliminated snowfall last winter, rendering my snow
tires a waste of money so far.

See how that works?

I.P.
glassman - 05 Oct 2006 07:23 GMT
> (This appeared in psa-rising.com, will be pub in Cancer Causes Control,
> Nov. 06)
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> same time, diet did not protect them from developing this cancer nor
> did it affect the cancer grade."

 I've been saying this here forever. Diet or lifestyle doesn't have any
effect on this particular beast. (By the way aren't well nourished men that
eat more fruits & veggies, also more likely to eat more of everything else
as well? Or conversely are men that eat less fruits and veggies more likely
to eat more of everything else? I can make a case for either side)

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Alex - 05 Oct 2006 16:29 GMT
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>> The article says, "men who eat more fruits and vegetables are more
>> likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer.
>
>  I've been saying this here forever. Diet or lifestyle doesn't have any
> effect on this particular beast. JK Sinrod

If diet or lifestyle have no relevance for prostate cancer, how do you
explain the differences in incidence of PCa among countries? Japanese men
have much lower rates of PCa than American men, but their rates climb to
American levels when they move here and eat American diets. (In one study,
10% of Japanese-American men 75 or older had PCa, compared to 5.4% of their
counterparts in Japan.)

Alex
glassman - 06 Oct 2006 00:25 GMT
> snip
>>> The article says, "men who eat more fruits and vegetables are more
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Alex

  First of all I think that even Leonard Evens would agree that a variation
of a few percent is well within a normal tolerance range for any small
sampling Alex.  Are most of the men living here for a few years or 50 years?
I certainly don't know the definitive answer, but my IQ tells me that when
they are over here, they are exposed to dozens of other environmental issues
that may be causative, other than eating McDonalds fries. Air and water
quality, working conditions, stress levels, latex exposure, additives,
different electrical current and even weather. Maybe it's something in Japan
that prevents it rather than something here that causes it? Let's do a study
of Americans that move there as well. Who knows? But I do know that lifelong
vegans and organic health nuts, as well as world class athletes, get and die
of PSA as well as the regular guys. I don't think diet has any effect on
this thing.

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