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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / October 2006

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Anyone here get a PAP test?

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JohnHace - 30 Sep 2006 19:32 GMT
My understanding is that the PAP test is an old (pre-PSA) test that few
use today. Apparently, if your PAP was elevated, you usually had
advanced (i.e. incurable) PCa, and if it was not elevated, you may or
may not have PCa. Certainly, a less than perfect test.

So, it makes sense to go with the PSA, a better yea or nea on PCa in
general. However, in Strum's book, he suggests that the PAP has good
predictive value for treatment success. This seems to make sense. If
the PAP is low, most likely the cancer is still in the prostate bed.

The doctors I have talked to do not seem interested in the PAP
information. I'm wondering if they feel it can only reduce their
patient base and cut into their profits. I feel they know that bone
scans and CT scans are almost always negative, so for the CYA factor,
they order them. But, if the PAP test were a better predictor, it would
certainly be much easier and cheaper.

John
ron - 30 Sep 2006 19:46 GMT
> My understanding is that the PAP test is an old (pre-PSA) test that few
> use today. Apparently, if your PAP was elevated, you usually had
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> John

Hi John...I got one.  It's cheap and a good predictor of success.
Separate studies have documented its predictive value for RT and RP
outcomes...Best wishes and good health, ron
Bill - 01 Oct 2006 14:59 GMT
I had never even heard of it until I saw that Strum relies on it. I
never even had a free PSA that I know of.

Bill Denton
RP 2/12/02
PSA .96
Memphis
NICK - 02 Oct 2006 06:13 GMT
> I had never even heard of it until I saw that Strum relies on it.

Only reference i've ever heard was to women.
My wife's medical books 2000 and later still include
only reference to women.

> I never even had a free PSA that I know of.

Now I have to ask, "How many different types of PSA
tests are there?"  I've only recently observed mention of
"free PSA" and "ultra sensitive PSA" (or similar jargon).

My 3 former uros kept saying, "PSA," "PSA," "PSA" as
if there is only one.
Bill - 02 Oct 2006 15:53 GMT
Nick, we are not talking about women's Pap smear, a test named after
the creator, Papanikolaou, looking for cervical cancer - the men's PAP
test is a blood test for the prostatic acid phosphatase enzyme. Some
doctors use it; most don't. A free PSA test may be able to distinguish
between elevated PSA due to BPH vis PCa.

Bill Denton
RP 2/12/02
PSA .96
Memphis
 
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