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PING Steve Kramer: Update

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JerryW - 29 Sep 2006 00:52 GMT
Coming up on 2 1/2 years post RRP...six-month PSA drawn yesterday...results
*phoned* to me by my doctor's nurse today...<0.1!

Sweating is over for another six months.
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2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62)
2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe
5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes
7/13/04 PSA <0.1
10/12/04 PSA <0.1
1/18/05 PSA <0.1
4/26/05 PSA <0.1
10/13/05 PSA <0.1
3/28/06 PSA <0.1
9/27/06 PSA <0.1

John Loomis - 29 Sep 2006 02:47 GMT
What a nice surprise, and not a surprise at all.
Good wishes.
I am on 8 years.....0.01 or less.....I guess I am an old timer?
Keep it up!  Seriously.  Viagra really helps

> Coming up on 2 1/2 years post RRP...six-month PSA drawn
> yesterday...results *phoned* to me by my doctor's nurse today...<0.1!
>
> Sweating is over for another six months.
Steve Kramer - 29 Sep 2006 23:11 GMT
> Coming up on 2 1/2 years post RRP...six-month PSA drawn
> yesterday...results *phoned* to me by my doctor's nurse today...<0.1!
>
> Sweating is over for another six months.

Always good news in your posts, Jerry.  Tow years four months of virtually
undetectable noted!

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

Steve Jordan - 30 Sep 2006 02:44 GMT
On September 29, Steve Kramer replied to Jerry:
> Always good news in your posts, Jerry.  Tow years four months of virtually
> undetectable noted!
>  
/activate wet-blanket mode/

0.1 is not undetectable PSA.  =/< 0.05 is.

See: Strum & Pogliano _A Primer on Prostate Cancer_ 2nd ed., page 144.

or see:

http://www.prostate-cancer.org/education/andeprv/Strum_IADT.html

/deactivate wet-blanket mode/

Regards,

Steve J

"What is your full name, Doctor Presume?"
"Dr. Livingstone I. Presume."
--from Choral Cantata "Knock Knock"
by P. D. Q. Bach, the son Papa Bach wouldn't acknowledge
Greater Hoople Area Philharmonic Orchestra & The OK Chorale

Jerry
Beverley - 30 Sep 2006 03:46 GMT
That's okay, Steve is still towing four months. LOL

And yes, <0.1 by some standards is undetectable depending on the test
equipment. And maybe Jerry meant <0.01 If Steve can tow maybe Jerry can skip
a zero. LOL Don't be too harsh on them.
Bev

> On September 29, Steve Kramer replied to Jerry:
> > Always good news in your posts, Jerry.  Tow years four months of virtually
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>
> Jerry
Steve Kramer - 30 Sep 2006 11:23 GMT
> That's okay, Steve is still towing four months. LOL

I've never read that typing is affected by Lupron (and/or Casodex), but I am
sure beginning to wonder.
NICK - 30 Sep 2006 21:34 GMT
Steve Kramer replied to Beverley:

> I've never read that typing is affected by Lupron (and/or Casodex),
> but I am sure beginning to wonder.

Perhaps the FDA needs to place a new "black box"
warning on those 2 drugs.    <g>
dr2354 - 07 Oct 2006 13:28 GMT
Steve - it isn't the effcts of the meds on your typing - it is the effects
of the meds on your KEYBOARD.  Mine has had the same issues!
dr
Steve Kramer - 30 Sep 2006 11:21 GMT
> On September 29, Steve Kramer replied to Jerry:
>> Always good news in your posts, Jerry.  Tow years four months of
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>
> 0.1 is not undetectable PSA.  =/< 0.05 is.

For my congratulatory message, I took into account that they assay had 0.1
at the lowest point of the scale.  If he had said 0.100, then maybe I would
have acquiesced to Strumm's definition.  As it is, 0.1 is as low as it goes
and is as good as it gets.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

JerryW - 30 Sep 2006 18:13 GMT
Steve J:

Thanks for the blanket. Strum & Pogliano nothwithstanding, the lab (Quest
diagnostics) and assay method (not hypersensitive) my Urologist uses reports
<0.1 as *virtually* undetectable. With that reading, my Urologist has not
recommended, nor am I inclined to pursue, further treatment at this time. I
will, however, refrain from reporting to this newsgroup any future PSA
results of mine not done using the hypersensitive testing methodology.

Thanks again for your support.

JerryW

> /activate wet-blanket mode/
>
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>
> Steve J
Steve Kramer - 01 Oct 2006 03:28 GMT
> I will, however, refrain from reporting to this newsgroup any future PSA
> results of mine not done using the hypersensitive testing methodology.

Due to the comments of one member?

Please reconsider.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

CIL - 01 Oct 2006 18:29 GMT
Good news JerryW <0.1

The post from another source "0.1 is not undetectable PSA.  =/< 0.05 is.",
you stated that yours was <0.1 which could very easily and most probably
does fall into the non detectable range.

Hope you have a great weekend.

> Steve J:
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>> Steve J
MAS - 05 Oct 2006 05:36 GMT
Steve, Beverly, etal:

Today I was > 0.1 again!

Next PSA draw in 12 weeks. Also learned that I am one of two in the trial
continuing to show these results. Everyone else has re-started chemo after
three consecutive PSA rises. So far, time of remission is double the
average.

Mike
(gourd dancer)

> Coming up on 2 1/2 years post RRP...six-month PSA drawn
> yesterday...results *phoned* to me by my doctor's nurse today...<0.1!
>
> Sweating is over for another six months.
Heather - 05 Oct 2006 07:00 GMT
FANTASTIC!!  I am sure you are walking 2 feet above the floor!!

I will check in shortly with Ron's latest results as well, but they are
pretty good too.

All the best.....Ron and Heather

> Steve, Beverly, etal:
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> Mike
> (gourd dancer)
Steve Kramer - 06 Oct 2006 01:27 GMT
> Steve, Beverly, etal:
>
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> three consecutive PSA rises. So far, time of remission is double the
> average.

Great news on all accounts!

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

NICK - 06 Oct 2006 03:31 GMT
Mike wrote:

> Steve, Beverly, etal:
>
> Today I was > 0.1 again!

How much ABOVE 0.1?

Or was that a typo and you meant "less than"?
MAS - 06 Oct 2006 05:43 GMT
Typo...

Less than 0.1

Oops!

> Mike wrote:
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>
> Or was that a typo and you meant "less than"?
Beverley - 06 Oct 2006 13:29 GMT
Typo noted!

Congratulations! I know you are dancing on the ceiling. Go celebrate!
Bev

> Steve, Beverly, etal:
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> > Sweating is over for another six months.
 
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