I've been mostly lurking this group for a couple of months, and decided
it was time to make
my contribution.I am 64 years old and in good health.
I was diagnosed around the end of April, 2006.The Uro was suspicious
during the DRE and ordered
a biopsy, even though PSA was only 1.9
Result was Gleason 3+3=6, 1 core out of 6 (Upon further review by
John's Hopkins, 2 cores out
of 6). Less than 1% cancer. Chose the robotic surgery. Dr. Jean Joseph
does about 10 surgeries
a week and no one can come close to that volume in the Rochester, NY
area.
The operation is now behind me, and so far so good.
Arrived at 8:30 AM for a 10:30 operation, August 29, 2006.
Saw Dr. Joseph as well as most of the surgical team at one time or
another.
Operation started at 11:00
They wheeled me in to surgery and said we're going to put you under
now, and then it was over.
No further recollection.
I was very groggy in recovery room, just wanted to sleep.
Got out out at 12:50 Lasted less than two hours!.
First night hard to sleep, Last of noise in hosp, they wake you
constantly to give you meds,
and I had the annoying feeling that I had to urinate even tho I had I
cath. in. Not painful but
annoying. They were very liberal with pain killers (didn't really need
them, but it did help the
bladder full feeling)
Doing good at home, appetite back second day, cath a pain, not
literally, but needs constant
attention.Have to empty leg bag every two hours, That might change when
all the IV is finally
drained from me.Big bag is OK at nite, but I have to empty once during
the night, No real pain,
still occasional feeling of full bladder which goes away with short
walk in the house.
Can sleep on back and one side, not bad!
Only thing I might suggest is a doughnut pillow to sit on. If I don't
sit just right there
is pain in rear groin.
.
the Cath came out Friday morning, 10 days later. Pathology was good, no
positive margins,
no extra capsular escape, but Gleason went from 3+3=6 to
3+4=7,apparently not uncommon.Only
10% of
8 of 18 cores had cancer.
Also had perineural invasion, apparently cancer trying to find a way
out but didn't.
Told it was nothing to worry about.
The nurse removed cath. Not too much leakage at the time. I had
Depends Guards with me.
( in hindsight, I should have used Depends Underwear along with
guards. More later.)
They do Viagra for the first two weeks after cath is out. Not directly
for sex, but to
exercise the penal veins. Pill very other day, she gave enough samples
to last.
By the same token, We have an appt with a vacuum pump sales rep, end of
month. Apparently they
feel it's important to exercise erections, even if you can't use them.
I drove home with my wife (first time since operation).When I stepped
out of the car, I was
flooded with urine! Turns out that any change of position was enough to
start dripping or more.
I was going thru lots of pads( and under wear and sweat pants), my wife
went out and got
the depends underwear. Much better. But...
I noticed I really wasn't urinating, and it seemed like I had to go.It
didn't seem like the drips
could account for the amount of fluid I thought I still had in my
bladder.
I called a Uro who was sitting in for my doctor.
Dr. Rashid is in his 70's, slow moving, but seemed to know what he's
doing. Did an ultrasound,
said there wasn't much urine in bladder, then did a cystascope (or
something like it) and
couldn't find any blockage, He said strictures don't usually develop
for weeks after operation.
He said I probably had dripped a lot more volume than I thought and the
bladder fullness feeling
was probably bladder spasms.
Anyway, he decided to put cath back in, since it was the weekend. He
said that back in the day,
they always kept them in for 14 days.
He suggested I remove the cath myself (showed me how), on Monday AM or
Sunday nite
(apparently, less leakage over nite , lying down, so it should be full
in AM should be able
to urinate.)
However, I never seriously considered removing it myself
I had the cath out Tues. They wanted to keep it in a full 2 weeks.
Doing much better this time, control is pretty good, still go thru
5-6 pads/ day, doing Kegels like mad,
walking 1 1/2 mile/day. It's all good. Very strong stream at nite,
like the proverbial horse!.
I was up 6-7 time a night to urinate.
PA said it's normal (something about bladder not being used for two
weeks and is kind of
overreacting). It will get better soon. I've asked 2 of my support
group, they said, Oh yeah,
I guess we did go a lot the first nites.
She also said to start Viagra now. I was worried about side effects,
she said to take 1/2 dose
every other day for 4 weeks, instead of full dose for 2 weeks.
Took it , no problem other than feeling flushed.
Still going thru about 4 pads/ day. Nite urination is down to four/
nite.( 3 weeks since surgery)
Walking about 2 miles/ day ( I have arthritis in both hips, so that's
about as much as I can
tolerate. I used to swim, but that will have to wait till I'm drier).
No problem with the Viagra. I see the pump guy Tuesday.
The Viagra seems to do the job. Even without out it, under there
"proper circumstances",
erection is not too far from what it was!(Of course, with all the
dripping, I can't do
anything serious. Supposed to abstain for 4 weeks, anyway.)
First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
We'll keep our fingers crossed!
Steve Kramer - 22 Sep 2006 03:07 GMT
> I've been mostly lurking this group for a couple of months, and decided
> it was time to make
> my contribution.I am 64 years old and in good health.
Welcome back, ed. I remember your visit in April and your decision for
RLRP. Glad things went well.
> no extra capsular escape, but Gleason went from 3+3=6 to
> 3+4=7,apparently not uncommon.Only
> 10%
You're right. Several people here went from 6 to 7 upon a closer look at
the prostate.
> First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
Mine are crossed as well, but it sounds like your only issue is continence
and that usually clears itself.

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KenA - 22 Sep 2006 03:34 GMT
Sounds like you're doing better than me at your present stage - congratulations and
it does get better with time.
Ken
> I've been mostly lurking this group for a couple of months, and decided
> it was time to make
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> First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
> We'll keep our fingers crossed!
eddiegr - 22 Sep 2006 16:47 GMT
Ken,
I did some digging and found the following article on the use of
Viagra to get to full erections
http://www.cancerpage.com/news/article.asp?id=5834
It talks about 9 months on Viagra (either 50 or 100mg per day)
dramatically increasing the likelihood of full erections independent of
dose. I've seen other articles
http://mediwire.skyscape.com/main/Default.aspx?P=Content&ArticleID=154246,
that suggest the Viagra just gets you there sooner.
Ed
> Sounds like you're doing better than me at your present stage - congratulations and
> it does get better with time.
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> > First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
> > We'll keep our fingers crossed!
KenA - 23 Sep 2006 05:11 GMT
Hi Ed!
Thanks for the very helpful links.
I too have an appointment next month with a pump salesman.
I'd have to say, I know little about them other than their basic principals of
operation.
What 'features' are there? What's good? What types of designs are annoying, etc.
What brands / models generally work well and hold up over time?
Ken
> Ken,
> I did some digging and found the following article on the use of
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>> > First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
>> > We'll keep our fingers crossed!
eddiegr - 23 Sep 2006 16:25 GMT
Ken,
I really haven't done any research on the pumps, mostly because I don't
think I'm going to need it. I'm following up with the salesman because
my Uro set it up and I figured I'd be ready just in case.
The Uro has recommended Osbon Erectaid, http://www.timmmedical.com/.
Apparently they come in a manual pump and a battery operated pump. I
think the latter goes for around $300, but may be covered by insurance.
I looks pretty easy to use.
Good Luck!
Ed
> Hi Ed!
> Thanks for the very helpful links.
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> >> > First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
> >> > We'll keep our fingers crossed!
Leonard Evens - 23 Sep 2006 16:26 GMT
> Hi Ed!
> Thanks for the very helpful links.
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> What 'features' are there? What's good? What types of designs are annoying, etc.
> What brands / models generally work well and hold up over time?
I got mine from the Timm company. It was a bit more expensive than
some others, but it is covered by Medicare and most health insurance
plans if prescribed by a physician. They maintain an 800 number which
you can call at any time, and I found that useful.
Pumps are generally pretty safe, but you should work up to full erection
gradually by using it once or twice a day over a period of a couple of
weeks. That is particularly true if you have been without erections for
a while. In use, you have to be careful not to keep the tension ring
on longer than about half an hour. With the Timm unit, there is a
noticeble 'sting' when the ring snaps on, and that can be disconcerting,
but it never produced any bruising or pain afterwards. The erection
produced by a pump only extends from the tenstion ring outward, so the
erect penis tends to flop around a bit. It can also be greater in
breadth than a normal erection. These two facts may make it necessary
to fiddle a bit when penetrating, but I never had any significant
problems along those lines. The penis is also colder than normal
because of constriction of blood flow, and this may be apparent to your
partner but probably not to you.
> Ken
>
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>>>>First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
>>>>We'll keep our fingers crossed!
Beverley - 25 Sep 2006 19:38 GMT
We've got an Osborn Erectaid (manual pump) made by Timm. I'd suggest using
it daily but without the rings unless you want to use the erection. The
trick is to get the blood flowing back into the penis. Do not over pump! It
looks great but you don't want to hurt yourself. It might seem awkward at
first to use but like any new thing you will become experienced using it and
it will be easier.
My husband got his through his uro's office. They made him watch a video on
it and then he got to try it. They sent him into a room with a male nurse
who showed him how to do it. The male nurse couldn't understand why it was
not working very well. DUH! Send in the cute nurse with the big hooters and
maybe it might have worked better. Sure worked fine at home. LOL
Quite honestly it was Leonard that wrote (off group) a very detailed email
on using the pump. It really helped us to know exactly what to expect and
how to really use it. I think the most important thing is to not expect
great things the first couple of times but to use it consistently for
several weeks before expecting full intercourse.
Also always use the largest ring first. The larger the ring the more
comfortable it will be. If the large ring won't hold the erection, try a
smaller one the next time.
Also with any pump you need to be able to create a vacuum. Your hair can get
in the way and prevent a good seal. Try clipping it a little shorter with
scissors rather than shaving if this is a problem.
The Osborn Erectaid came with a video and of course the Timm company has a
24 hour hot line.
Hubby has been using his now for quite a while and has had no problems with
malfunction. Off the top of my head I can't remember if it has a lifetime
guarantee with it.
Bev
> Hi Ed!
> Thanks for the very helpful links.
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> > dramatically increasing the likelihood of full erections independent of
> > dose. I've seen other articles
http://mediwire.skyscape.com/main/Default.aspx?P=Content&ArticleID=154246,
> > that suggest the Viagra just gets you there sooner.
> > Ed
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> >> > First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
> >> > We'll keep our fingers crossed!
Leonard Evens - 23 Sep 2006 16:15 GMT
> Ken,
> I did some digging and found the following article on the use of
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> dramatically increasing the likelihood of full erections independent of
> dose. I've seen other articles
And will keep your blood pressure down.
Leonard Evens - 22 Sep 2006 16:24 GMT
> I've been mostly lurking this group for a couple of months, and decided
> it was time to make
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> Also had perineural invasion, apparently cancer trying to find a way
> out but didn't.
I gather that there is some difference of opinion among medical experts
about the significance of perineural invasion in the predtreatment
diagnosis. It may mean the cancer is more likely to spread beyond the
prostate but it may not. But in your case, it didn't, as far as the
pathologist could tell when examining the entire prostate, so it is
probably irrelevant.
Your post surgical pathology seems very much like mine. In my case,
updated Sloan-Kettering nomograms (not yet on their web site) show that
the likelihood of recurrence in 10 years is only a few percent. You
should be at least as well off as I am, so if you can manage it, try to
think of yourself as cured. You will still get edgy every time you have
a PSA test, but it would be very surprising if any of them ever showed a
recurrence.
> Told it was nothing to worry about.
> The nurse removed cath. Not too much leakage at the time. I had
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> First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
> We'll keep our fingers crossed!
eddiegr - 22 Sep 2006 16:38 GMT
> > I've been mostly lurking this group for a couple of months, and decided
> > it was time to make
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> > First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
> > We'll keep our fingers crossed!
eddiegr - 22 Sep 2006 16:40 GMT
Leonard,
Thanks for the encouraging words!
I've also seen the controversy around perineural invasion. I think it
was Walsh who said to completely ignore it as a predictor.
In any event, I'm guardedly optimistic.
Ed
> > I've been mostly lurking this group for a couple of months, and decided
> > it was time to make
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> > First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
> > We'll keep our fingers crossed!
callalily - 22 Sep 2006 22:08 GMT
> I've been mostly lurking this group for a couple of months, and decided
> it was time to make
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> First PSA test is 3 months after surgery.
> We'll keep our fingers crossed!
Dear Eddie,
I don't know if this advice is stale but bladder spasms are common
post-op and can be treated with Detrol. This really helped my husband
Leah
eddiegr - 23 Sep 2006 16:17 GMT
Hi Leah,
I actually suggested Detrol to the Uro right after the cath was
removed, but they preferred to reinsert the cath. since I wasn't in any
pain. I any event, that part of the recovery is behind me. Now I just
have to stay dry!
Ed
> > I've been mostly lurking this group for a couple of months, and decided
> > it was time to make
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>
> Leah