I have what is a question that would probably be easily answered by a
phone call to my insurance company. However, as we are now in the
middle of a long weekend and the insurance offices are closed, I'm
wondering about the experiences anyone here who has had (or performed)
the daVinci Robotic postatectomy with third-party insurance payments.
I have Empire Blue Cross/Blue Shield with reasonably good coverage when
it comes to most of my healthcare needs. I have rarely, if ever, been
told that any sort of exam or test that I wanted was "not covered". I'm
wondiering, however, if the daVinci approach is viewed as
"experimental" or may not be covered for any other reasons.
What I'm thinking is that a radical prostatectomy makes sense for me,
but I would *much* prefer a robotic procedure over conventional
surgery, for all the obvious reasons.
Is it likely that Blue Cross/Blue Shield hospitalization insurance will
pay for a daVinci? (I'm asking about others' experiences realizing that
my policy may differ.)
Thanks.
Tom
Buck - 03 Sep 2006 21:40 GMT
I have Anthem Blue Cross/Blue Shield and my policy covered the DaVinci
robotic surgery one year ago just the same as it would have covered any
other surgery. I think it would be difficult to argue that this surgery
is experimental given its widespread use and the number of hospitals
that have acquired the technology in the recent past. Of course, the
answer is going to depend a lot on what your hospital and surgeon are
charging. In my case, I think the hospital wasn't trying to recapture
all of its costs through billing. It was explained to me that insurance
companies have a favorable view toward the robotic surgery because of
the shorter hospital stays and less risk.
RML - 03 Sep 2006 21:40 GMT
I assume you are in NY state. I am also, and have a Blue Cross HMO. I
received written approval for daVinci from them, and am scheduled for
9/18.
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callalily - 03 Sep 2006 21:45 GMT
> Is it likely that Blue Cross/Blue Shield hospitalization insurance will
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> Tom
The answer is yes. Moreover if opt to have it done in manhattan you
have the option of using sloan-kettering hospital and its doctors -- I
believe this is the only insurance they accept.
Also, my husband had this done with Dr. Tewari of NY Hospital. We
recommend him highly.
Leah
mountainguy1958 - 03 Sep 2006 22:18 GMT
Leah,
That's encouraging.
Did your husband have to wait long to get the surgery from Dr. Tewari?
Tom
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> The avg. wait is about 2 mos. but sometimes you can get a cancellation. He works 6 days a week and operated on my husband on a saturday. It was a pleasure bec. i was practically the only person in the hospital and it was nice and quiet.
Leah
drdommo - 04 Sep 2006 00:10 GMT
> I have what is a question that would probably be easily answered by a
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> Tom
This is an important question. I perform these regulary at Newark Beth
Israel in Newark.
Almost all insurances cover this. The last one in my area was Cigna,
who just last week officially said its OK, but who had been
precertifying them on a case by case basis without a problem.
The only issue I am familiar with is a patient of mine who flew from
California to have it done because his insurance (Kaiser) was an HMO
and did not approve it.
I agree with the recommendation of Dr Tewari, as I give out his name
often for second opinions.
I am in NJ and usually have a 3-4 week wait, but the wait isnt the
important thing.
My best advice- find a doc you trust, a hospital that you like and is
convenient, and then the timing should not be important.
I run a blog if anyone is interested on robotic surgery and had an
insurance posting if you would like more info.
http://www.njurology.com/RoboticSurgeryBlog/2006/07/when_having_insurance_doesnt
_p_1.php
Good luck,
Dr Savatta
mountainguy1958 - 04 Sep 2006 00:52 GMT
Thanks to both of you! I've bookmarked your blog, DrDommo.
Is this the Dr. Tekari that we're talking about:
http://www.med.cornell.edu/research/aktewari/index.html ?
"New York Hospital" was mentioned in an earlier post. Perhaps that's
another name for Cornell, or a division thereof?
Tom
> This is an important question. I perform these regulary at Newark Beth
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callalily - 04 Sep 2006 02:58 GMT
> Thanks to both of you! I've bookmarked your blog, DrDommo.
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Tom--
New York Hospital and Cornell are one and the same. I believe Cornell
is the medical school affiliated with the hospital. Actually the
hospital in now called New York Presbyterian just so you don't get
confused. (They changed the name a few years ago.) The doctors name
is Tewari not Tekari. His direct number is 212-746-5638. I told you
he would accept your insurance but that is an assumption. He accepts
cigna I know that.
Leah
dklr - 04 Sep 2006 04:38 GMT
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> Tom
I visited the robot in June '05 and my insurance (which is one of the
Medicare Advantage plans) covered the operation. I don't have a reference,
but I think Medicare approved robotic assisted prostate surgery a couple of
years ago. Since it's accepted by Medicare, I don't think any insurance
company will consider it as experimental.
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> years ago. Since it's accepted by Medicare, I don't think any insurance
> company will consider it as experimental.
That is what I told cigna and they disagreed a few months back.
As of 2 weeks ago, they now removed it from experimental list.
Cigna still thinks cryosurgery is experimental however, and Medicare
has covered that for many years.
As for robotics, I think in the NY/NJ area most or all do cover it
fully the same as any other operation.
mike@white-home.com - 04 Sep 2006 18:55 GMT
Tom,
Sorry to hear that you have joined the club. I have been reading about your
biopsy and now your surgery decision. I had surgery in June and am now 11.5
weeks out. My surgery was open and I was in the hospital a little over 24
hours, I looked for the doctor first and the procedure second. Basically I
went with what my doctor did, and he had done over 3,500 operations and is
nationally recognized. I joined the local Man to Man Prostate Cancer
Support Group right away which helped a lot because I got to interact with a
whole range of guy's with prostate cancer from advanced to early detection.
The big benefit for me was finding out about the best Surgeon's and
Radiologist and Hospitals in my area and having guys in my area to talk
with. I also visited a hospital out of state to get a second opinion. All
this took 6 months from the time I first got my elevated PSA test and my
pathology report was very good, negative margins etc. So the bottom line is
take some time because as time passes the really scary feeling you may have
now lessens as you talk with more folks and realize your not alone. One
other point, I chose the doctor and hospital close to home and I was glad I
did because more than likely you will have some issues, and you don't want
to have to resolve them long distance, plus the ride home is pretty
uncomfortable so you want it short and smooth, take a pillow and look at
this link it really helped me get ready.
http://www.phoenix5.org/Basics/treatsides/vossRP/vossRP1.html.
Best wishes,
Mike
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mountainguy1958 - 05 Sep 2006 02:12 GMT
Mike,
You make an excellent point about not rushing. But if it takes three
months to get an appointment at one of the big name hospitals, as I've
read, I'm afraid I'll dissolve into a pool of Jello from obsessing over
this. (Remember, I was just informed of my diagnosis three days ago.)
I need to let go a bit and get back to my usual life.
Thanks.
Tom
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JohnHace - 05 Sep 2006 04:40 GMT
> Mike,
>
> You make an excellent point about not rushing. But if it takes three
> months to get an appointment at one of the big name hospitals, as I've
> read, I'm afraid I'll dissolve into a pool of Jello from obsessing over
> this. (Remember, I was just informed of my diagnosis three days ago.)
Tom,
Excuse me for saying this, but you need to relax and take a deep
breath.
First of all, you can get into a good hospital on short notice. I was
in Detroit last week at Henry Ford Hospital talking to Mani Menon, the
guru of robotic surgery. On 8/30, he had surgery time available on 9/5,
9/11 and 9/14.
If I remember correctly, you have a low PSA, low Gleason, only one core
positive and minimal % involvement. I would give anything to be in your
shoes.
If I were you, I'd get on a great diet, take plenty of prostate
favorable supplements and take my time about deciding what to do. Then,
after a few weeks of study, I'd get another PSA test. If it stays the
same or goes down, do more study. If it goes up, act on what you've
learned.
Above all, don't rush into anything.
Good luck.
John
mountainguy1958 - 06 Sep 2006 00:19 GMT
Agreed. Thanks.
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