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Beverley - 03 Sep 2006 16:02 GMT
Periodically something comes up about the final stages of cancer. I've seen
several people die from cancer and known several more but I've never seen
two people go through the same things in the same order, seems it is
different for everyone. The National Cancer Institute has a booklet that is
general but helpful for anyone whose loved one is dying, no matter what the
reason.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Support/end-of-life-care
Bev
Steve Kramer - 03 Sep 2006 17:49 GMT
> Periodically something comes up about the final stages of cancer. I've
> seen
> several people die from cancer and known several more but I've never seen
> two people go through the same things in the same order, seems it is
> different for everyone.

I wish it were otherwise.  While I am not completely in the dark (my father
died of it), it is of some importance to me to see what happens in the
latter stages.  For instance; when I built my condo, I made a room (which is
now my den) to die in:  Extra electricity, cable hookup, two data drops, two
phone jacks, etc.  But, I don't really know what else I will need.  My dad
died in 1982 when all that happened in a hospital/hospice.

Robert Young and Berky the Warrior went out without a word because they
didn't want us to see it.  I wanna see it.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

c palmer - 03 Sep 2006 20:34 GMT
Robert Young and Berky the Warrior went out without a word because they
didn't want us to see it. I wanna see it.

======> interesting choice of words steve, because that is what i've
always said.  i want to see the bullet coming.

i made the comment to my sons that when i was in vietnam, i didn't worry
about the bullet that had my name on it - i worried about all those
bullets that were whizzing around that said "occupant" written on the
side.

i walked the entire pca path with my dad and knew how bad the end stage
cancer can be and said that was one bullet i want to see coming.

so, when i got the phone call from the doctor's office on my 57th
birthday that i had an elevated psa,  as i hung up the phone, i said,
"that's one hell of a birthday present!!!"

my oldest son looked at me and said, "well, dad, you got your wish.  you
got to see the bullet coming"

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Steve Kramer - 04 Sep 2006 01:55 GMT
> my oldest son looked at me and said, "well, dad, you got your wish.  you
> got to see the bullet coming"

Absolutely correct.  We, at least, know of what we are going to die and in
plenty of time to get our affairs in order.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

Buttercup's Dad - 04 Sep 2006 16:02 GMT
Watched my mother die of lung cancer after she had a stroke.  It took
eleven months for her to die with one almost in month seven.  It was
interesting to me that after she came out of the downturn in the
seventh month that she had no memory of being that sick and near death.
I can still see the quizical look on her face when we talked to her
about it some time later.  I take some comfort in that.  In church (a
very long time ago for me) they always told us that God does not give
us any burden that we are not able to handle.  My father died of a
heart attack sitting at the kitchen table.  I am hoping for that way to
check out.  I do not feel all that strong anymore.  Not really up to
months of suffering.

BTW, we recently had the town house modified to prepare for our old age
and infirmity.  Door were widened to accomodate a standard size
wheelchair.  Bathroom (first floor master) redone with walk in shower
and heavy duty grab bars.  Even the door handles are levers rather than
a knob that could be difficult to turn (that was my R.N. wife's idea).
No TV in the bedroom right now, but there is a cable outlet on the wall
where one would go.

As Mr. Palmer is fond of saying, "getting old is not for the timid".
It is also expensive.

> > Periodically something comes up about the final stages of cancer. I've
> > seen
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> Casodex added daily 07/06
> Non Illegitimi Carborundum
Steve Kramer - 04 Sep 2006 22:48 GMT
> No TV in the bedroom right now, but there is a cable outlet on the wall
> where one would go.
>
> As Mr. Palmer is fond of saying, "getting old is not for the timid".
> It is also expensive.

Hard to afford the renovations and a plasma T.V.   Maybe next year.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

J - 04 Sep 2006 01:04 GMT
> Periodically something comes up about the final stages of cancer. I've seen
> several people die from cancer and known several more but I've never seen
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> http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Support/end-of-life-care
> Bev

Hi Bev,
That has its merits.
The people on alt.support.cancer have often expressed that the following has
helped the patient, but especially the friends and/or family members understand
what is happening.  Note however, it doesn't go into specifics such as a
hemorrhage or sudden cardiac arrest or any number of other things that could
happen.  It's what can generally (but not always) happen during the last week
or so of life.
http://www.crossingthecreek.com/
Some have bought the set of three, but the main one is called Crossing the
Creek.
Excerpts are here http://www.crossingthecreek.com/chapter_excerpts.htm
It can be purchased online and arrives within days in the US, a bit longer
maybe to other countries.
If urgent,  a note can be left when ordering/paid, and he emails the person
with a special code to access the full text, while they're awaiting arrival of
the book.
He's blind, years of experience between himself and his wife in palliative
care.
It was available online (free) before, but because he's retired now, he charges
a nominal fee - $20.00/book.
Well worth it, we've been told, for years, by loved ones.

There's some simiilar sections (but not as comprehensive), but had stories
written by the wives, on http://www.phoenix5.org
i think it was under section for wives or caregivers, but the web site seems to
have a problem, right now.
J
Steve Kramer - 04 Sep 2006 02:04 GMT
> There's some simiilar sections (but not as comprehensive), but had stories
> written by the wives, on http://www.phoenix5.org
> i think it was under section for wives or caregivers, but the web site
> seems to
> have a problem, right now.

WWW.Phoenix5.org is maintained by a PCa wife.  When Robert Young died, Caryn
took over.
Steve Jordan - 04 Sep 2006 02:23 GMT
> WWW.Phoenix5.org is maintained by a PCa wife.  When Robert Young died, Caryn
> took over.
>  
The site includes much useful information, but it is not current.

It has not been updated in over a year; since June 6, 2005.

Regards,

Steve J
J - 04 Sep 2006 08:53 GMT
> "J" <macyinno@nospam.inv> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> WWW.Phoenix5.org is maintained by a PCa wife.  When Robert Young died, Caryn
> took over.

The section's are under "Companions" (the sites back up again)
J
 
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